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author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-17 23:14:46 Title: HIV vs. Muken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54iqn6NnVo

Even Aizen isn't completely immune to sexually transmitted diseases.

Putting the invincibility issues aside, I figured this would be a good discussion to have on the forums since I think the last two supporters the developers released have made Hell Verse Ichigo a lot more appealing. My video is not the best demonstration, but I can tell you using Muken in some of these fights would take more than one round to finish other Mukens. HVI instead rips through everyone like tissue paper when he can hit, sometimes before RJ can activate (sometimes after). I should probably post an additional video link using Muken in the place of HVI to show any difference tbh. This could of course end up differently if there were more defense halos on the enemy side, but I could also add more halos and tank more hits.

Using Blood War Byakuya and Kyoka, you could probably potentially outspeed an entire RJ team with HVI while it would be a little bit harder to do with Muken. Also, in the context of Blood War Byakuya's abilities, HVI's blocks are 300% damage, he lowers enemy block, and you can replace some of his mods for more break defense, block, damage rate, or crit rate if you're not going to use his exclusive skill in PvP. He also does a lot more damage in Void Region than most people probably realize.

His lack of ignoring the empty cicada (invincibility) is probably a necessary balancing point when he has a 50% chance of clearing any control effect whenever he is attacked. He also can be mutilated, but if the fights end this quickly, then it may not be a problem most of the time. The fights will have to end quickly with the assaulters' 7th mods.

In the worst case of the invincibility problem, where you have have a Shinigami Kensei death skill or Bankai Shunsui giving invincibility, you can either 1) Let HVI attack first, 2) replace with Muken, or 3) have both Muken and HVI in formation. Muken still slows down the enemy team with his speed reduction halo AND it counters Bankai Shunsui's skill and death skill to have two assaulters in formation. In the case of Shinigami Kensei being sacrificed off the bat, that just means the enemy team has one less slot for a partner that could have helped with survivability, speed, or damage, making them weaker.

But one of the major reason for sticking with Muken is of course that he's practically free under the right conditions and he additionally does not require a specific supporter to be good. Any supporter that buffs him will do.

I would at least like to take this moment to entertain the possibility that we won't have to be stuck in the world of Muken being the only good assaulter forever. The game is overrun by Muken, and I find that lack of variety extremely boring.

Thoughts, opinions, concerns, rants, experiences, Ganju ss?

author: Asian123 time: 2018-2-17 23:51:25

I used to love having my Noza but then I got Muken and everything got boring.
They've made the game something that either ends in 1 round or never does.
Muken and HVI ofc people prefer not spending for a partner but HVI really is the better contender due to his special abilities and way higher speed compared to Muken (in my opinion).
Muken could survive under conditions that are meant to destroy him though, and HVI I don't suppose as much(even with the shield and the block, i.e. mutilate or stuff like that).

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 00:11:22

Asian123 replied at 2018-2-17 23:51
I used to love having my Noza but then I got Muken and everything got boring.
They've made the game ...

While his HP may be a few million lower when boosted, HVI still has higher physical defense than Muken at the same level due to his Strength talent being higher than Muken and HVI will always be able to heal himself or be healed by others due to being immune to laceration (unless you have a skill like pedobait yachiru) and it's not limited to when his health goes below a certain percentage. It always happens as long as he attacks. His own heal isn't that bad either since it's based on the damage he can deliver.
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Just make sure you don't get hit by any Kokuto skill attacks.

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-2-18 00:33:51

Did someone say... EMPTY CICADA ??!
BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE COLLECTING THEM
and crush them afterward

Was it a reference to my unstacked assaulter plowing through all the annoying stacked weakass hikis ? Whatever.

author: Asian123 time: 2018-2-18 01:23:52

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 06:11
While his HP may be a few million lower when boosted, HVI still has higher physical defense than M ...

I see.
So Muken is superior in terms of Mutilate and HP, but not overall survival.
You can just give Muken the Red Enchant though, as you know, thereby clearing that problem, except for the Laceration yeah...
I personally would prefer HVI, except he costs money xD

author: Asian123 time: 2018-2-18 01:29:37

Potdenutella replied at 2018-2-18 06:33
Did someone say... EMPTY CICADA ??!
BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE COLLECTING THEM
and crush them afterward

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-2-18 02:23:27

u shouldn't make the video man, HVI is the best now, everyone will buy him bcos of u and i will go to hell

author: badbone time: 2018-2-18 02:32:44

Yea those 2 made him stronger but maxed muken
with soul power and hash + miracle and kokuto plus Rj buff
makes muken immortal hvi is easy to counter.
The soul power on Muken is op -70% dmg and if he skill in second round its over but maybe this block now can make a change

author: alchimiste time: 2018-2-18 08:17:30

badbone replied at 2018-2-18 02:32
Yea those 2 made him stronger but maxed muken
with soul power and hash + miracle and kokuto plus Rj ...

a maxed muken vs a maxed HVI with kokuto for those 2 .... HVI win ez i beat guys with 7m bp more than me only with the 1st attack of hvi so ..... and they got muken
now its up to u

author: badbone time: 2018-2-18 08:37:41

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alchimiste replied at 2018-2-18 08:17
a maxed muken vs a maxed HVI with kokuto for those 2 .... HVI win ez i beat guys with 7m bp more t ...

Maybe cuz Hayase or how was his nickname isn't registering full power + I know his Muken doesn't have soul power reincarnation thats a big deal

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-18 09:55:38

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2018-2-18 10:11

HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance to have her no problems... invincibility is easy AF to get...  HUGE strike against HIV

HIV is about 40,000 gold

Muken is free...  HUGE bonus for Muken

HIV really needs two other 40k gold partners to contend with Muken

Muken needs to be in formation to contend with HIV

you CAN for sure make HIV better than Muken, howver you are looking at no less than 100,000 gold on nothing but partners...

a stock HIV vs a Muken with 100,000 gold pumped into him is really no contest at all

being that 98% of people will never fully buff up even one single partner in this game, the question of "who can be pumped up higher" is a non-issue for most of us
the fact that it will cost you 100,000 gold and 3 partner slots for HIV vs a free Muken only taking 1 slot makes me wonder who this post is to...  it sounds more like it's a question to the top 1% of spenders, as it's quite obvious that to 95+% of the players in the game, Muken CRUSHES HIV

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-2-18 10:20:38

badbone replied at 2018-2-18 08:37
Maybe cuz Hayase or how was his nickname isn't registering full power + I know his Muken doesn't ha ...

even he hv, he can't beat HVI with 11-13m damage average 1st round, and only luck aid will help him

author: jorandas88 time: 2018-2-18 10:26:15

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MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

Could you please tell me, best place to get - buy fury jades?
Cause i really need T1 my Hikifune to beat HIV. :/
If you don't mind, do we get celebration events only during holidays? like latern, thanksgiving or carnivals? (want some good character

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author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-2-18 11:57:50

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author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-2-18 12:14:12

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-18 12:33:31

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-2-18 12:14
no

dont use hiki to beat HIV

I have neither hiki nor do I face ANY HIVs in my CSB, however, ultra top tier players aside (as anyone that got Hiki from UBP probably stands no chance vs these players anyway) Hiki is fast enough to outspeed HIV without too much trouble, and her skill negates his damage... she is a good counter on a budget... yes, people that buy HIV, can well have purchased byaukua and kukako, no doubt, however the point stands, HIV and the two supports we are talking about, vs a Muken with over 100,000 gold pumped into him (properly) is not a fight, Muken should SLAUGHTER that team, period, no questions, no doubts in my mind what so ever... am I saying that HIV isn't a broken piece of shit? no, of course he is, lol but still... for the VAST majoritity of players, Muken will be the obvious choice, and he will be a very good choice and a HUGE asset to anyone that picks him up

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-18 12:37:07

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-2-18 12:14
no

dont use hiki to beat HIV

plus, anyone that has given half a thought to it, building a block team around HIV would have a team like this...

Mayuri, Main (8th), HIV, New Byaukua, Hasch...

twin block halos, 100% combo from main, and that regen and shield from hasch duh

mix with that the KS you are going to get since you don't need Muken and you are set at 1/2 the price of this new "super team" peeps are talking about

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-18 13:26:53

i have to agree with mylar regarding the fact that 95% of the peeps here will choose muken no doubt; HVI is definitly expensive et even if many can afford to get him not many of us can afford to build him the way we saw on the video in term of pace (a full moded HVI will take months even years the free way) or in term of those top tiers partners who helps him with a boost;

gogames should also think to give players more alternative to counter muken trough a free path other than the obvious one IE get urself a muken n lets da best muken win

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the team on the vid is definitly a way to annihilate muken teams but what was the cost?

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 13:26:57

Potdenutella replied at 2018-2-18 00:33
Did someone say... EMPTY CICADA ??!
BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE COLLECTING THEM
and crush them afterward

I used to find those in my backyard all the time.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 13:29:24

Asian123 replied at 2018-2-18 01:23
I see.
So Muken is superior in terms of Mutilate and HP, but not overall survival.
You can just ...

Muken's skill does give himself more immune rate. Muken might still be better in terms of endurance especially when he gets that extra Kyoka Suigetsu zanpakuto heal lol, but I don't think HVI is too far behind.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 13:30:31

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-2-18 02:23
u shouldn't make the video man, HVI is the best now, everyone will buy him bcos of u and i will go t ...

: '(

author: dudewhat123 time: 2018-2-18 13:54:00

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

I agree. If someone wants to get HVI, just use Muken instead and donate me the extra gold you woulda saved

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 13:56:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

Before I read the rest of this thread, I just wanted to say if you are using HIV without Kokuto, then you are doing it wrong. Without Kokuto, he is trash. I will not try to argue against that.

The main thing here is that Kokuto will fury reduce Hikifune before she can even skill. There was an example fight with Hikifune in the video I posted where she was the only one left on the field after Kokuto attacked. As soon as the enemy's zanpakuto skilled, she got fury reduced, so no invincibility skill (but she also got stunned by Kokuto, so she didn't stand a chance anyway).

This fury reduction by Kokuto also stops certain frog models and ice yaoi partners from skill attacks right off the bat.

I agree with you that Muken will still be the go-to assaulter for quite a while unless they somehow release something better that is also free.

But it is nice to see some variety and as Devvoke put it, a game that is more team oriented than one partner that beats all.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-18 14:19:49

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 13:56
Before I read the rest of this thread, I just wanted to say if you are using HIV without Kokuto, t ...

no arguments there, but by your own logic, HVI is a supporting partner, and Kokuto is the wrecking ball...  by your own logic, it sounds like you feel that kokuto + muken should be cheaper and stronger...  once you bring in New Byaukua and a Mayuri, and swap some of HVI's mods to block then and only then HVI seems like the better choice...  and that is only because of his 300% block power (which can and likely will get patched as it is quite obviously not the intended effect)...  And if that IS patched, HVI looses the only leg up he has on Muken (aside from the speed) yet none of Muken's strengths are acting in a way he was not intended, so no patches in his future...

so it's Muken vs Kokuko + bugged HVI that GoGames can fix at any time...  that's 80,000 gold value difference there...  and kokuko + HVI is of course an OP combo, however with Muken out there it's gonna take some dirt cheap, game breaking shit to push him out of favor...  Muken even clipped Bankai Yama's nuts right quick, even with such an OP boost he gets from RJ

these are of course my own opinions, however when you need a team full of OP peeps to out class a single free partner...  well, I'll just let you finish that thought, lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 14:29:31

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

I got my HIV for 30k gold spend in earlier events and not just for the sake of getting him with gold that I had been holding on for a very long time due to the developers making the game stagnant and uninteresting. I bought hogyoku exp pills and got him with the points. If it wasn't for that, even I would not be bothering with this experiment. I would stick with Muken like this cancer game has generally become.

Buying partners for the sake of partners is generally a bad choice, anyway, since they are always going out of date. If you really wanted to spend on the game, which I wouldn't recommend to anybody at this point, you should at least use it on something that is a bit more future proof. Unless you are maxed on stones somehow like Fuji Habiki, spirit stones are always a good choice.

With higher rebates, it's easier to get 30-40k spend partners (don't do top-up partners unless it's really at the same time of super high gold rebates) than it used to be. It's a waiting game if you want good deals. The developers still don't do enough work to deserve it, so I'm pretty conflicted whenever I think about spending on the game anymore. I've got a long list of reasons to feel animosity toward them that I'm sure I've hinted at on more than one occasion.

Overall, I think HVI+Kokuto would be a good choice for a lot of entering players who are not even close to getting Muken.

As you said, HVI is a no-go with Hikifune out and about, but with Kokuto, he should be better at least. There was also the alternative of Yhwach, but now with people having Kokuto, he will definitely have the same issues as any partner without fury deduction immunity. You could do Bankai Yama, but ehhhh, you really have to love Yamamoto, I guess.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-18 14:42:44

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 14:29
I got my HIV for 30k gold spend in earlier events and not just for the sake of getting him with go ...

bankai yama does have immune to fury reduce doesn't he?

ooooooo that IS another feather in his cap isn't it...

like yourself, I"m curious how much longer this game will continue... I've reduced to topping up enough to keep my monthly card active and keeping shini welfare going, with a very little bit extra (maybe $35 to $50 a month usually)

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 15:12:44

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 14:42
bankai yama does have immune to fury reduce doesn't he?

ooooooo that IS another feather in his ...

Yeah, fury deduction immunity was one of the nice parts about Yama along with his high defense and avoid injury rate and defense reduction in skill. He'd be a lot more effective against Muken if shield did not exist to clear the silence and his attack power potential was high enough to compete with Muken.

Yeah, that's generally a good idea. lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 15:45:47

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 14:19
no arguments there, but by your own logic, HVI is a supporting partner, and Kokuto is the wrecking ...

I would recommend using Kokuto with Muken, too. Buuut it's not necessarily required to make Muken good. Kokuto by himself couldn't take out the higher tiers, so HVI was taking a supporting role if you count nuclear bomb drops. lol

I believe HVI is working as they intended aside from his exclusive skill crashing Void Region (heh). What was the point of making his normal attack release his skill damage otherwise? Block damage is determined from normal attack damage, so I don't see how this is unintentional or unfair. At the same time, he lowers block in his skill. It feels to me as if they had planned for this when they made him (because you aren't going to be able to avoid being blocked in Void Region with it like I originally thought they intended it for. I've already tried it). Otherwise, they are really good at making up shit as they go along. lol

It would be easy to stay with Muken, yes, but Muken is one of the biggest reasons for why I've grown to despise this game so much. Even if I went forward with a handicap, I'd fight anything that is Muken. That is why I put any kind of hope in HVI when I selected him from the prize shop. I could use a good challenge, anyway, so why not use what I have?

At the very least, it sounds like we can all agree it's easier for most players to stack a free Muken. HVI's edge over Muken has still yet to be demonstrated in a way that makes me want to say "oh wow, abandon the Muken ship, guys!" but it seems like they have done a lot to improve his odds. Otherwise, he couldn't have made it through a Muken dominated CSB with only one supporter. My objective in this forum thread was not to prove he is without a doubt better than Muken in all cases (which I've already admitted is not the case) nor to convince people they should just use HVI but to show he's gotten better than public opinion still seems to suggest. I felt this topic deserved a little more attention than what I have seen, which is why this thread exists now.

After all, tomorrow they could just create a new supporter that gives team invincibility for 2 rounds and is immune fury deduction, but I doubt they will soon since most new supporters don't have ignore invincibility anymore. They would have to either be ready to abandon ship on a lot of supporters or create more ways of clearing invincibility besides Kyoka Suigetsu. LOL imagine if it went back to the Hikifune days and it was up to using Kyoka to clear invincibility. The person to go second would always win if both had Hiki 2.0.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-18 16:40:29

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 15:45
I would recommend using Kokuto with Muken, too. Buuut it's not necessarily required to make Muken ...

well played sir, well played, lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 17:26:55

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 16:40
well played sir, well played, lol

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-2-18 19:49:47

TL;DR.... so many long paragraphs, can someone sum them up for me?

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-18 21:14:20

DeEmEn replied at 2018-2-18 19:49
TL;DR.... so many long paragraphs, can someone sum them up for me?

TL;DR version: HIV has gotten stronger with new supports. Muken still best general cunt overall at the moment.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-2-18 22:17:07

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-2-19 01:52:25

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 19:14
TL;DR version: HIV has gotten stronger with new supports. Muken still best general cunt overall at ...

yeah true, HVI got lots of potentials, if you pair him up with the right person (kokuto).

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-19 11:32:36

DeEmEn replied at 2018-2-19 01:52
yeah true, HVI got lots of potentials, if you pair him up with the right person (kokuto).

however, my part of it is this...

if you have to buy 2x top tier, 40,000 gold value approx partners to compete with a free AF partner that anyone can get, you have a problem there

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-19 11:52:23

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-2-18 22:17
who cares about 95% of filthy casuals

we are talking about the upper echelon of prestigious play ...

yeah just forget about the plebs; let's just erease the accounts of these useless crowd and let's create an elite with specific qualities...it reminds of something that happened already

Joke aside; this thread is really intersting, the unknown and what mylar is retorkin is very fruitfull

now we know there maybe a way to counter the muken let's pray there will be a cheaper way

that video though made my day, when u see all those muken freaks get won shot is just priceless just for that i'm gratefull

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-19 12:09:07

adnane.bek replied at 2018-2-19 11:52
yeah just forget about the plebs; let's just erease the accounts of these useless crowd and let's ...

he's got counters for sure, but people don't use them...

tavern Tosen cuts his nuts if you can capitilize on it... keep him chaosed TSI drops his attack by 25% Shin Isshin can Void his ass forever... he is easy to counter for sure IF you can get a decent plan together

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-19 14:18:07

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-19 12:09
he's got counters for sure, but people don't use them...

tavern Tosen cuts his nuts if you can ca ...

never thought about tosen tbh; imma check the potential as for the rest i did think of ishin specially thanks to muken speed is low it is doable even with a yellow partner ; TSI unfortunatly no vits to get him free;

tbh i was planning to get that hvi but i do dislike kokuto n can't afford both to prepare so in the mean time imma lay low n hope for better alternatives; cuz even if ishin can void the muk i still dont him wistand a kokuto attk first round from a top tier ennemy;

thks for this thread u n the unknown; gave a lot to think of

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-19 15:31:30

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2018-2-19 15:32

adnane.bek replied at 2018-2-19 14:18
never thought about tosen tbh; imma check the potential as for the rest i did think of ishin speci ...

truth be told, if you are using a partner like Shin Isshin, and can't afford both HVI and Kukoku together, you will for sure have a TOUGH time with any top tier peeps as most of them have a team full of 40,000 gold partners, a bench full of them too, and RJ + katen + ect...

if you can't top up thousands and thousands of dollars consistently, you will never hang with the big dogs in this game unless something big happens

and the keep him chaosed comment was not about Tosen or TSI, it was more like a shy nemu, exclusive skill shinso gin, and a few others that can get it done

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-19 15:41:24

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-19 15:31
truth be told, if you are using a partner like Shin Isshin, and can't afford both HVI and Kukoku to ...

kk yeh i figured that much about ishin ; he can't even sustain a burn from RJ; well i'm not a big dog, but still i'm trying to make a team to take them head on, i did gather some war treasur from all the treasur bankai n some offline events we do in the french version,; i can afford some good partner such as the like of hvi but i wont make a quick decision n regret it; plus all i see for now is everytime they push a new partner 1 month later they make his exact nemesis to counter him wich is a bit nervecraking, anyway keep in touch

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-19 17:32:59

adnane.bek replied at 2018-2-19 15:41
kk yeh i figured that much about ishin ; he can't even sustain a burn from RJ; well i'm not a big ...

IMO, to hang with peeps way over your price tag, stack hard on a vang... Noza if possible as his block rate can really pull you out of a bind... Nnorilta is the VIP0 verison of him, but takes a LOT of damn work to make him comparable for sure... and even then he's for sure a lesser vanguard

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-2-19 21:23:36

Edited by DeEmEn at 2018-2-19 19:28

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-19 09:32
however, my part of it is this...

if you have to buy 2x top tier, 40,000 gold value approx partne ...

You don't need to go against him. Pair him up with Muken, then you will have a team of monsters. Oh, and they don't cost that much if you didnt miss the christmas event

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-19 21:48:26

DeEmEn replied at 2018-2-19 21:23
You don't need to go against him. Pair him up with Muken, then you will have a team of monsters. Oh ...

nah, I picked up RJ on Christmas instead... kind of bummed I wasn't more patient and pick up Hasch at the same time... got 2x tier 13 hogus and a ton of exclusive frags instead since I didn't get max points

the hogus are very nice but I still haven't gotten even close to full effect from them as hogu talismans are tough to come by in any quantity on the cheap

guess I gotta save up for Hasch

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-19 21:56:49

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-2-19 19:34
yeah you brought up hiki weak self but not shy nemu

wasn't thinking about shy nemu being UBP tier yet, lol

wondering who next UBP is... I'll have vit for it by then...

hoping for a good support... Isane Kotetsu, Oatmeal, or even Elegant Unohana would do nicely as a Tenjrio replacement... I hate that guy, lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-19 21:58:24

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-19 21:56
wasn't thinking about shy nemu being UBP tier yet, lol

wondering who next UBP is... I'll have vi ...

Elegant Unohana

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-2-19 23:18:34

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-19 19:48
nah, I picked up RJ on Christmas instead... kind of bummed I wasn't more patient and pick up Hasc ...

I warned you about it, didn't I? lol

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-20 06:56:23

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-19 17:32
IMO, to hang with peeps way over your price tag, stack hard on a vang... Noza if possible as his ...

i'm farming noza hope to get him by the end of march hope, let's hope something good n cheap will come also

thks for the intel

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-20 06:58:50

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-19 21:58
Elegant Unohana

i hope so her clrearing debuff i recall is somewhat like kyoka

author: Melkoe time: 2018-2-20 07:07:35

hvi generally better than muken but muken can be a great counter for r.jakka players with his mutilate resistance.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-2-20 09:00:22

DeEmEn replied at 2018-2-19 23:18
I warned you about it, didn't I? lol

yeah, lol

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author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-20 14:08:58

adnane.bek replied at 2018-2-20 06:58
i hope so her clrearing debuff i recall is somewhat like kyoka

She doesn't have that. Only shield. That clears control effects only.

Currently nothing works exactly the same as Kyoka. Byakuya has the buff clear on his exclusive skill, but it won't clear invincibility like Kyoka who ignores invincibility.

author: sacsuka time: 2018-2-20 14:12:42

http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/f ... ;t=1&lang=en_Eu
And HVI is full bug in ToT and CSB.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-20 14:22:47

sacsuka replied at 2018-2-20 14:12
http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/fightreport/?rid=580683011617140204&aid=58&t=1&lang=en_Eu
And HVI is ...

That is not a bug. When he was attacked, he became faster than his Zanpakuto with the speed buff mod for that round.

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-20 16:39:52

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-20 14:08
She doesn't have that. Only shield. That clears control effects only.

Currently nothing works exa ...

i thought the thing between sorry for my french (parenthèse) was the thing i was talking about but i just realized the () wich is weird and i quote the wikia :

"Attack all enemies, growth rate is 100%, increase assaulter speed and attack by 25% for 2 rounds, decrease all enemies fury by 10, cast shield on all allies growth rate is 5% (clear all debuff and immune from control), heal ally with least HP, growth rate 100%"

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-2-20 16:56:52

adnane.bek replied at 2018-2-20 16:39
i thought the thing between sorry for my french (parenthèse) was the thing i was talking about but ...

They are very bad at English. It should say clears and immune control debuffs.

There was a Shinji Hirako partner that said clear debuffs as well, "Attack all enemies, growth rate is 130%, remove own assaulter's debuff and gives immunity to stun for 2 rounds, increase own break defense by 25% for 3 rounds."

However, he doesn't clear debuffs. He probably only clears away and makes your assaulters immune to stun.

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-2-21 08:13:43

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-20 16:56
They are very bad at English. It should say clears and immune control debuffs.

There was a Shinji ...

ok then, well too bad cuz she was intersting (more) with that description

author: IchigoTensito time: 2018-3-3 13:23:35

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

What is HIV?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-3-3 17:01:04

IchigoTensito replied at 2018-3-3 13:23
What is HIV?

usually shortened as HVI... Hell Verse Ichigo... I call him HIV because it's funny as hell to me, lol

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