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author: Kenpachi456456 time: 2018-3-30 08:34:54 Title: The death of Muken?

Do you think or not, death of muken with Ishida -30% heal and Askin Nakk Le Vaar

(When fighting enemy [Muken Aizen], decreases opponents [Muken Aizen] Attack and Damage rate by 35%.)

http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Askin_Nakk_Le_Vaar

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-3-30 08:43:13

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author: Potdenutella time: 2018-3-30 08:43:28

Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.

author: Kenpachi456456 time: 2018-3-30 08:45:50

I don't cry, just ask,

Everything comes to an end

author: rythen time: 2018-3-30 09:09:04

pay partner to beat csb partner

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-3-30 09:42:30

muken won't die... just because he has a counter... a very expensive counter... for 90% of peeps, Muken will still be relevant for years to come

author: SanekN time: 2018-3-30 11:01:19

Is a free partner able to die?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-3-30 11:04:53

SanekN replied at 2018-3-30 11:01
Is a free partner able to die?

RIP Ganju

author: SanekN time: 2018-3-30 11:08:58

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-3-30 11:04
RIP Ganju

Sorry, I forgot about he

author: sivern time: 2018-3-30 11:23:54

is he vang, assult or sup, looks OP to me lol

author: sivern time: 2018-3-30 11:24:59

SanekN replied at 2018-3-30 11:08
Sorry, I forgot about he

Basic Modify (Kaizo) Immune to Fury Deduction and Laceration 120 Fragments Level 40
Tier 2 Modify (Kaizo) When HP lower then 50%, recover 20% of max HP 280 Fragments Level 50
Tier 3 Modify (Kaizo) Immune Mutilate 480 Fragments Level 60
Tier 4 Modify (Kaizo) Decrease all enemies' ATK by 25% 792 Fragments Level 70
Tier 5 Modify (Kaizo) Every 20% HP lose, increase DEF by 25% 1100 Fragments Level 80
Tier 6 Modify (Kaizo) Every time being attacked, add 5% Defense for self accumulatively. 1452 Fragments Level 90
Ultimate Modify (Kaizo) 20% extra Avoid Injury Rate.
(When fighting enemy [Muken Aizen], decreases opponents [Muken Aizen] Attack and Damage rate by 35%.

1848 Fragments Level 100

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-3-30 12:14:27

A PvP partner isn't going to stop Muken Aizen from destroying Void in 1 minute.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-3-30 12:28:16

theunknown404 replied at 2018-3-30 12:14
A PvP partner isn't going to stop Muken Aizen from destroying Void in 1 minute.

nah it just dev problem dont wanna change VR skill 5th round one shot kill, and SDT debuff

author: Asian123 time: 2018-3-30 12:34:58

rythen replied at 2018-3-30 15:09
pay partner to beat csb partner

pull something out of your ass and put it in your meal to make your food taste better

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-3-30 12:56:58

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-3-30 12:28
nah it just dev problem dont wanna change VR skill 5th round one shot kill, and SDT debuff

Don't want to fix anything they don't have to. lol

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-3-30 13:46:21

theunknown404 replied at 2018-3-30 12:14
A PvP partner isn't going to stop Muken Aizen from destroying Void in 1 minute.

Dude, void has more than one year old, let it and this meme die.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-3-30 13:47:33

Potdenutella replied at 2018-3-30 13:46
Dude, void has more than one year old, let it and this meme die.

Only if all your Mukens are belong to us.

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-3-30 14:18:42

theunknown404 replied at 2018-3-30 13:47
Only if all your Mukens are belong to us.

What you say !!

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-3-30 14:38:06

Muken alone don't kill void, it just die faster

but ummm... there are a few that can easily counter Muken...

author: mayuri1177 time: 2018-3-30 15:36:21

These mods don't fit Askin's "Death Dealing" at all. He should be a damage dealer that disables and dots opponents with self healing/resurrection. He will weaken Muken more in the first round, but the longer the battle, Muken's 7th mod will keep bumping up his attack.

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-3-30 15:47:47

mayuri1177 replied at 2018-3-30 15:36
These mods don't fit Askin's "Death Dealing" at all. He should be a damage dealer that disables and ...

Yes and no, Muken takes an aura of -60% ATK total, meaning he will deal with only 40% of his attack, his 7th just double his attack power, at the second round he attacks with 80%, then 120/160/200%, that's a lot.

Or 40/140/240/340/440%, depending on how the math works with the aura.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-3-31 07:52:29

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author: Rokianas time: 2018-3-31 11:48:39

So...
P2W players started to cry alot about losing to F2P and asked for some champ who counters Muken? xD

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-3-31 14:30:42

mayuri1177 replied at 2018-3-30 15:36
These mods don't fit Askin's "Death Dealing" at all. He should be a damage dealer that disables and ...

He's got dots. He's got self-healing. He never resurrected. Only Yhwach resurrected him. He was just near death.

He clears away debuffs, restricts buffs, and shields because his lethal dose adjustment.

He does have a mod that he takes less damage after each hit just like Valkyrie. It would be nice if he increased attack decrease with each attack, but that would be too broken if it's a decent number. Make the increase too little, and he will be shit (dies first round). It would be nice if it activated after the first hit, but the last time they tried that with STD, they fucked it up and changed it to a one-man defense halo. lol

I think it's fair to say Aizen is stronger than Gay Aizen. He could use his regular tricks in the beginning, but I doubt he could hold out against the real Aizen forever.

In terms of control, there was the possibility of him lacerating on attack, but it never made it in.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-3-31 14:37:54

Rokianas replied at 2018-3-31 11:48
So...
P2W players started to cry alot about losing to F2P and asked for some champ who counters Muke ...

You are not looking at the bigger picture.

Current new partners are on damage overload.

Askin reduces this damage.

Muken is retardedly overpowered and overused, and with Uryuu, he's gotten even more retarded. Why not debuff him? This isn't even his final form, and it's already game breaking. It's not like it will change the fact almost every player that gets him uses him.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2018-3-31 15:17:59

Edited by mayuri1177 at 2018-3-31 15:23

theunknown404 replied at 2018-3-31 14:30
He's got dots. He's got self-healing. He never resurrected. Only Yhwach resurrected him. He was ju ...

Unless they make his dot the bleed you get in some PVE battles or a new type, his dot will be bad. Poison is useless since it overwrites mutilate and there is no way his burn would be stronger than RJ's. He needs to have some sort of new paralysis debuff, that would fit him much better than just lowering attack.
Some characters in Bleach that don't have special abilities you can just throw random mods and talents together, but others like Askin or Mayuri need to fit the way they are and the way they fight.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-3-31 15:40:36

mayuri1177 replied at 2018-3-31 15:17
Unless they make his dot the bleed you get in some PVE battles or a new type, his dot will be bad. ...

Void status

Maybe it's time for them to fix this poison problem like they should have a long time ago.

author: badbone time: 2018-3-31 17:18:10

Rokianas replied at 2018-3-31 11:48
So...
P2W players started to cry alot about losing to F2P and asked for some champ who counters Muke ...

No p2w cry about other p2w that use muken
F2p are nothing and no matter how strong muken may be ,
in f2p hands its nothing .
And btw where did you saw f2p with muken I know only one and he is in a dead csb

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-1 02:32:34

mayuri1177 replied at 2018-3-31 13:17
Unless they make his dot the bleed you get in some PVE battles or a new type, his dot will be bad. ...

I 2nd that opinion.

author: Rokianas time: 2018-4-1 05:36:53

badbone replied at 2018-4-1 00:18
No p2w cry about other p2w that use muken
F2p are nothing and no matter how strong muken may be , ...

lmao.
In my serv 2 f2p got him and 3more is about to get him.
My friend who's a noobie already got him.
If you don't see any f2p players using Muken you should probably open your eyes mate ;)
Also i'm beating the sht out of those RJ users thanks to Muken.
So get your facts straight before talking crap in forums and giving misinformation to less knowledgeable players.

author: badbone time: 2018-4-1 06:02:27

Rokianas replied at 2018-4-1 05:36
lmao.
In my serv 2 f2p got him and 3more is about to get him.
My friend who's a noobie already got ...

vip status pics some proof maybe ?

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-4-1 06:44:19

>proof

author: Rokianas time: 2018-4-1 14:04:29

badbone replied at 2018-4-1 13:02
vip status pics some proof maybe ?

Don't have time to make all the screenshots and find Battle Previews once again just for some asshole.

If you want them, i have made quite some of threads, comments and pools in the forums and there are plenty of proofs out there.

author: badbone time: 2018-4-1 14:08:29

Rokianas replied at 2018-4-1 14:04
Don't have time to make all the screenshots and find Battle Previews once again just for some assh ...

Then don't reply if u don't have any

author: jgooner time: 2018-4-1 14:22:22

Rokianas replied at 2018-4-1 21:04
Don't have time to make all the screenshots and find Battle Previews once again just for some assh ...

im not sure if you joke but in my server and csb f2p players are still with yama and even if they had muken they cant beat anyone in top 8 arena or csb top 20
so im sure the hate for muken come from p2w players cuz some of them stack him and they win others stack support and they lose

author: badbone time: 2018-4-1 14:27:04

You are a fool f2p can't even beat Mages solo main
yet talk about p2w crying

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-4-1 14:29:15

Yee. VIP 0 with Aizen is fine.

VIP 20 with Aizen is bad. If the developers scaled their game better, it wouldn't be so, but they don't, so it is.

author: badbone time: 2018-4-1 14:42:42

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-1 14:29
Yee. VIP 0 with Aizen is fine.

VIP 20 with Aizen is bad. If the developers scaled their game better ...

The meta is for the second round it doesn't matter if its hvi or muken its over

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-4-1 16:02:47

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-2 02:09:26

badbone replied at 2018-4-1 12:42
The meta is for the second round it doesn't matter if its hvi or muken its over

It's not always the 2nd round in my case lol. It depends on what kind of partner you have, you can seal enemy Muken with proper supports and strategy

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-2 02:27:43

theunknown404 replied at 2018-3-31 14:37
You are not looking at the bigger picture.

Current new partners are on damage overload.

he wasnt broken, if no muken u cant kill people with 4 man halo def, 5 v 5 until 20th round lol more broken like that.. and muken can be counter easily

author: Rokianas time: 2018-4-2 03:05:25

badbone replied at 2018-4-1 21:08
Then don't reply if u don't have any

I reply just to annoy such an idiot like you xD
Also all the sht you talk here is so stupid and non true that it makes me sick.
People with lack of knowledge comes to forums to find out something and learn sht. But thanks to assholes like you, who don't know sht and talk alot gives them misinformation that fckin pisses me off.
So once again, atleast get your facts straight since you can't even get your ***** straight.

author: badbone time: 2018-4-2 03:47:26

Edited by badbone at 2018-4-2 06:19

Rokianas replied at 2018-4-2 03:05
I reply just to annoy such an idiot like you xD
Also all the sht you talk here is so stupid and no ...

You are the one talking shit still no proof
But I do and I know the strongest f2p is kunpachi ( he is not even vip 0 )
and he can't beat me so p2w are not crying for sure

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-2 03:52:09

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-2 00:27
he wasnt broken, if no muken u cant kill people with 4 man halo def, 5 v 5 until 20th round lol m ...

which 4? :O

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-2 04:04:02

DeEmEn replied at 2018-4-2 03:52
which 4? :O

later in the future if they add halo ass... ex each partner 700k x 4 with assumption 40% halo = 1.120.000 def added hella 700k + 1.120.000 = yhwach VR def

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-2 04:09:35

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-2 02:04
later in the future if they add halo ass... ex each partner 700k x 4 with assumption 40% halo = 1. ...

oh, lol, I already got that covered without 4x halo lol! yhwach is like a pancake to me now. I was testing different formation on last void lol.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-4-2 15:15:03

Edited by theunknown404 at 2018-4-2 15:17

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-2 02:27
he wasnt broken, if no muken u cant kill people with 4 man halo def, 5 v 5 until 20th round lol m ...

So it's okay if fights last only 2 rounds at most and Void Region is over in a minute? That's a boring game to me. It would be cool if he had his 7th mod at a slower increase, but he scales up too quickly and by an excessive amount.

Muken can also be easily un-countered. Bankai Shunsui is not very solid, and you can undo any control effect with enough shields.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-3 02:49:39

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-2 15:15
So it's okay if fights last only 2 rounds at most and Void Region is over in a minute? That's a bor ...

bankai shunsui only for yhwach VR

, even without muken at VR if still got SDT debuff over in a minute, then how win win solution for not make 20th round

at VR and PvP if no muken, burn their company/office using Ryujin Jakka?

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-4-3 04:07:05

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-3 02:49
bankai shunsui only for yhwach VR , even without muken at VR if still got SDT debuff over in a ...

Don't even need Bankai Shunsui for that anymore ROFL
Apparently 3 def halos is enough to survive Yhwach VR.

SDT trick is for people who need it.

I still don't see how it saves you from getting blocked.

Not sure what you said last part, but I agree with burning their office.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-3 04:27:44

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-3 02:07
Don't even need Bankai Shunsui for that anymore ROFL
Apparently 3 def halos is enough to survive Y ...

Bankai Shunsui can only do so much in VR.

SDToshiro can only save you from being attack by his skills, but can't protect you from his block as you said.

Probably he is saying how can we fix Muken and still do good in void? what's the win-win solution? burn their office with RJ? lol.

author: Lucky__Black time: 2018-4-3 04:30:31

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-3 09:07
Don't even need Bankai Shunsui for that anymore ROFL
Apparently 3 def halos is enough to survive Y ...

+1 to last point XD

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-3 05:45:27

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-3 04:07
Don't even need Bankai Shunsui for that anymore ROFL
Apparently 3 def halos is enough to survive Y ...

i know that, i mean just for debuff damage is like multiply x def reduce this the problem not about being skill or block..VR receive higher damage bcos this debuff not about the trick, block etc..

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-3 05:49:09

DeEmEn replied at 2018-4-3 04:27
Bankai Shunsui can only do so much in VR.

SDToshiro can only save you from being attack by his sk ...

without muken still can do alot damage if this sdt still there... win win solution u asked no muken and what kind of game 5v5 PvP 20th round lel... they just need pay partner shut down muken mods, and end VR 5th round unless they want change VR skill

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-3 05:52:37

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-3 03:49
without muken still can do alot damage if this sdt still there... win win solution u asked no muke ...

Only if SDT still here, but I never use him... I didn't ask no Muken tho... It's my Aizen sama, so I would love to have him.

All they need is 5th round ends in VR.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-3 06:21:33

DeEmEn replied at 2018-4-3 05:52
Only if SDT still here, but I never use him... I didn't ask no Muken tho... It's my Aizen sama, so ...

so u not use saitama anymore ?

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-3 06:39:01

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-3 04:21
so u not use saitama anymore ?

Oh, I am still Saitama lol. I am already back at it. I just love Aizen. <3

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-4-3 14:17:30

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-3 05:49
without muken still can do alot damage if this sdt still there... win win solution u asked no muke ...

Five round limit is really the only solution since they were too incompetent to implement the passives and halos in Void Region that are stated in the enemy descriptions and instead decided to increase the base defense. Maybe they are too incompetent to even do that.

I'm actually in favor of the defense halos simply because all these battles end too fast as is in PvP. I would like to see more 10- to 20-round battles.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-4-3 14:40:29

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-3 14:17
Five round limit is really the only solution since they were too incompetent to implement the pass ...

agree with that.. about 20th round PvP is not fun at all win based on total HP you have

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-4-3 14:46:55

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-4-3 14:40
agree with that.. about 20th round PvP is not fun at all win based on total HP you have

I doubt we'd ever get that in this game, anyway. I still think it should be possible for 5 rounds, but I don't see it anymore unless you are a new player to the game..

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-4-3 16:04:14

theunknown404 replied at 2018-4-3 12:46
I doubt we'd ever get that in this game, anyway. I still think it should be possible for 5 rounds, ...

Yup, and they are making stronger and stronger partner.

I usually go for 3 rounds vs. top CSB players, before we conclude our match. So it's possible for players to go for 5 rounds. If you want 20 rounds lol... we have to be 3/4 as tanky as VR enemies.

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