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author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-16 23:06:10 Title: The truth about Shield

Let's have a discussion about what the Shield really is since a lot of people are confused by this mechanic, anyway.

Thanks in part to Mayuri's observation that Askin's failure to one-shot poison enemies was due to the shield protecting their HP bar from a fraction of the damage numbers displayed, it is now clear that there is a function to the shield that was not explicitly described upon its release. I am now revising my guide on the shield function because of this.

So the real function of the shield is, as it sounds, to protect you from damage (up to the max of the shield's HP) while additionally protecting you from control effect debuffs (which include Stun, Silence, Chaos, Disarm, Void, Fossilize, Freeze, Fury restriction, and Laceration). It's like having invisible extra HP that can't be mutilated. However, it was not initially clear it was to mitigate damage when the description on its release only focused on protecting you from control debuffs in broken English. So, really, shields were also probably meant to help mitigate damage from ignite and mutilate. (i.e. You would not die from 100% mutilate by itself).

I always noticed the partner's HP did not go down when the shield was up, but I figured that was a visual bug since partners were still remaining on field with HP after death. However, now I know that's due to other visual issues in the game. Especially with Muken's skill only doing half the damage visually that it's really doing underneath and dots visually disappearing when the shield was first released -- remember how it used to clear all the visual debuffs away (and still received damage from ignite and mutilate) on release but later it was fixed so it only visually removed the control debuffs? Ah, what good times. Let's take a moment to enjoy some nostalgia of this wonderful game.

I suspect there was also some invisible damage on combos, maybe. There have been way too many errors to know what's going on in this game. For all I can remember, the shield's damage protection was probably bugged on release as well.

And really, who would have ever noticed the damage mitigation when the shield protects a character's HP by seemingly so little?

Which brings us to the error with the growth rate of a shield that made it difficult for me to confirm how the shield HP was determined from the growth rate.

It was not until I had an assaulter with a shield that I was able to confirm the shield HP (before it breaks) is in fact determined by the assaulter's physical attack. If you had an assaulter with 1 million attack cast a 50% growth rate shield, the shield's HP would be 500,000. You would be protected from 500,000 damage of ignite or mutilate.

However, going back to supporters, which is where most of the shields come from, the amount of damage mitigation on RJ's ignite and mutilate from a 50% growth rate shield was a lot lower than half of the supporter's attack. Consider that a 1.489 million attack Kokuto was generating shields that only protected your partners by about 403k HP. Turns out, it's taking 50% of the supporter's physical attack to determine the shield's HP...which is garbage...

I tested this with two different supporters, and they both had the same issue. Potdenutella tested another assaulter and some supporters to confirm the shield HP is always based on the physical attack. Since the shield was first introduced on a physical attack based character, it's likely this was left over when moving it to the supporter characters. Hopefully, this error will be fixed eventually.

Based on this information, let's also take a moment to consider how good HVI's shield mod is relative to other partners. His attack can be buffed further by Kokuto's mod, ATK buff icons, and ATK halos, and it will be counted toward the shield's HP. If you managed have an HVI with 2 million base attack, with Kokuto and Kyoka's attack buff, you can generate a shield for 1,820,000 worth of HP. With a healing mod that could practically fill up his HP bar on each attack and being immune to Laceration, this helps a lot with the lack of HP that he has against a Muken Aizen. The best shield would probably still be Valkyrie's level 100 exclusive skill with 300% growth shield (assuming it is working as it reads). If I maximized his attack at least, I could get him to 700,000 attack easily or over 1 million attack if I was trying, giving supporters and assaulters 2,100,000 to 3,000,000+ extra HP. Faced with shield growths like those, you might start thinking those 50% chance shield break reincarnation bonus effects are more useful than they first appear. Good thing nobody knows about those things, though.

If you have any further questions about the specifics of the shield mechanic, feel free to refer to the revised guide below. It explains it in a more concise manner.
http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Shield

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-5-16 23:57:13

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author: Asian123 time: 2018-5-17 02:35:18

I had a rough understanding of the Shield prior to reading this, but now I am completely aware of it.
Thank you for the effort you put into making this xD.
MAGES is love

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-5-17 03:52:01

Thanks for the post very instructive, did u edit the wikia also? been a while didnt read that shield section seems a bit different, however noza foss still bugged aparently

again thanks

author: trakiner time: 2018-5-17 03:58:37

The Shield was a dumb idea and Roman Reigns SUCK!

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-5-17 06:27:48

adnane.bek replied at 2018-5-17 03:52
Thanks for the post very instructive, did u edit the wikia also? been a while didnt read that shield ...

how is Noza's foss still bugged? When I ran him it seems like he worked exactly as described

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-5-17 06:57:16

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-5-17 06:27
how is Noza's foss still bugged? When I ran him it seems like he worked exactly as described

since i dont use him i can't argue too much just quoting this on the link of th wikia

Bugs :

Nozarashi Kenpachi's fossilize and silence go right through the shield and ignore the shield altogether

Shield HP protection on supporters is currently determined by their physical attack instead of their strategy attack.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-5-17 07:57:11

adnane.bek replied at 2018-5-17 06:57
since i dont use him i can't argue too much just quoting this on the link of th wikia

Bugs :

that could for sure be the case... not much experience fossilize vs shields... when I used Noza, anyone that made a shield would crush me too quick to notice, lol

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-5-17 08:07:53

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-5-17 07:57
that could for sure be the case... not much experience fossilize vs shields... when I used Noza, ...

lol, too bad , would be really something if u can prove it if any luck

if so noza may become even mre interesting against shielders

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-5-17 10:13:46

adnane.bek replied at 2018-5-17 08:07
lol, too bad , would be really something if u can prove it if any luck

if so noza may become eve ...

I know that fossilize was a weak spot for Noza... pre-exclusive at least...

When he was the only one alive on your team (easy to do for sure) he skills, fossilizes the vang, regens 100-150 fury, skills again, no damage vs fossilized foe, yet they can still block your ass...

author: Sylencer90 time: 2018-5-17 10:26:36

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author: ohmyvenus time: 2018-5-17 12:26:18

do u just notice this

i already know long time ago that's why hvi is broken, i already saw what kind of hvi with 2.1m attack

cancer, with some trick + kokuto abracadabra 11-34m damage

author: itsme8805 time: 2018-5-17 12:43:21

wait so the way i was building my hasch was wrong kill me now

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 13:35:10

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-5-16 23:57
valks ex skill is broken in more ways than one

who came up with that

The challenge is just getting him to skill since he's slow, not fury immune, and battles end so quickly at the higher levels.

There might be hope of them fixing it if they release another supporter with shield. They'll have motivation to fix iykwim.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 13:36:17

adnane.bek replied at 2018-5-17 03:52
Thanks for the post very instructive, did u edit the wikia also? been a while didnt read that shield ...

I actually have not tested Noza's fossilize in a while, but I doubt it's changed since they don't have Noza on test servers generally.

author: @ra5h_V time: 2018-5-17 13:44:00

shield icon should be this

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author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 13:49:11

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-5-17 12:26
do u just notice this i already know long time ago that's why hvi is broken, i already saw what k ...

It wasn't easy to notice/figure out with all the bugs surrounding it.

It makes it less intuitive since the shield doesn't have a visible HP bar either.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 13:50:54

@ra5h_V replied at 2018-5-17 13:44
shield icon should be this

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 13:52:01

itsme8805 replied at 2018-5-17 12:43
wait so the way i was building my hasch was wrong kill me now

You don't build Hasch with strength def?

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 13:56:07

trakiner replied at 2018-5-17 03:58
The Shield was a dumb idea and Roman Reigns SUCK!

It's kind of an awkward concept.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-5-17 16:33:38

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author: Marouque time: 2018-5-17 18:30:56

Thx bro

Priceless info

author: trakiner time: 2018-5-17 21:01:46

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-17 13:56
It's kind of an awkward concept.

YEAH, FUCK R.R. and FUCK CENA. BRING BACK THE ATTITUDE ERA!

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 21:07:05

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-5-17 16:33
Just freeze the team or any combo of new partners kokuto can drain and restrict and ultima can cc ...

Unless they have a Kokuto, too. lmao

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 21:08:56

trakiner replied at 2018-5-17 21:01
YEAH, FUCK R.R. and FUCK CENA. BRING BACK THE ATTITUDE ERA!

Hulk Hogan?

author: jackthehorn time: 2018-5-17 21:21:57

So if i take yhwach and baka toshiro's silence or kirinji's chaos hit me will it clear the debuff's? since one of his mods gives me 30% chance of activating it?!!
Your answer will make my mind if i want to get him this UBp or skip him.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-17 21:38:06

jackthehorn replied at 2018-5-17 21:21
So if i take yhwach and baka toshiro's silence or kirinji's chaos hit me will it clear the debuff's? ...

Yes, there is a 30% chance he will cast a 30% growth rate shield on all your allies when attacked. That includes Zanpakuto attacks. It will clear and make you immune to silence and chaos. But your Yhwach has to survive the hit for the mod to activate.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-5-18 00:39:37

Haha, did you suspect that when I send you my BR? or was it before?

btw, according to HVI's mod 6. shield growth rate works with the caster's attack. Maybe it has something to do with the attack buff inside the match, including zanpakuto % buff or something, that may alter the efficiency of the shield.

author: jackthehorn time: 2018-5-18 01:09:06

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-18 03:38
Yes, there is a 30% chance he will cast a 30% growth rate shield on all your allies when attacked. ...

ok thank you sounds good then

, one last doubt how good is that 30%chance?

Worth giving it a shot or save my vits for next one?

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-5-18 03:51:08

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-5-17 10:13
I know that fossilize was a weak spot for Noza... pre-exclusive at least...

When he was the only ...

yeh i remmber that saw some fights ws hilarious how they didnt even care about such a loop; no wonder u change to exclu skill

noza proab has still same issue since unknown also tend to answer this way

"actually have not tested Noza's fossilize in a while, but I doubt it's changed since they don't have Noza on test servers generally."

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-5-18 05:12:43

adnane.bek replied at 2018-5-18 03:51
yeh i remmber that saw some fights ws hilarious how they didnt even care about such a loop; no won ...

Pretty sure the shield cleans the fossilize... Perhaps this has changed, but I know it does one year or two ago with Katen.
Keep in mind that if Noza skills,breaks the shield before he puts the fossilize then of course you get the debuff, Noza is an offensive vanguard, he can easily breaks the shield in one snap.

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-5-18 07:15:46

Potdenutella replied at 2018-5-18 05:12
Pretty sure the shield cleans the fossilize... Perhaps this has changed, but I know it does one ye ...

ok so there is a setting (une variable) sry for my french that may destroy the shield even if it's already triggered

so for all i know : shield growth is base on physical attk IE : at 100 ; shield gr 50% ; special HP bar 50 then

if the attk of ennemy plus his passive buff debuf is larger than the 50 up there u get poisonned burn etc ?

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-18 12:43:17

Potdenutella replied at 2018-5-18 05:12
Pretty sure the shield cleans the fossilize... Perhaps this has changed, but I know it does one ye ...

Fossilize was generally cleared by shield, but something was special about Nozarashi. You know how they sometimes have those copies of the same buffs/debuffs for some reason. Maybe it's changed, but someone with Noza and shield has to check.
It went through shield. Shield was still intact.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-18 12:47:45

DeEmEn replied at 2018-5-18 00:39
Haha, did you suspect that when I send you my BR? or was it before?

btw, according to HVI's mod 6. ...

It was before, but your battle report helped inspire me to investigate it further since it's the first time I noticed it with my own eyes.

The caster's stats always determines the shield HP. All attack buffs count toward the shield HP calculation, including Kokuto's mod.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-18 12:48:46

jackthehorn replied at 2018-5-18 01:09
ok thank you sounds good then, one last doubt how good is that 30%chance?
Worth givin ...

It happens fairly often, especially when your enemy zanpakuto attacks assaulters.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-5-18 12:56:39

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-18 10:47
It was before, but your battle report helped inspire me to investigate it further since it's the f ...

So I guess yeah, since Assaulter's attack buff is always better than Supporter's attack buff, I guess this is why Assaulter has more Shield HP while Supporter has less. I don't think it counts towards to Supporter's physical atk. That would be too minimal. No?

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-18 14:58:13

DeEmEn replied at 2018-5-18 12:56
So I guess yeah, since Assaulter's attack buff is always better than Supporter's attack buff, I gu ...

It does count toward supporter's physical attack, though. The number matched up perfectly in each test case. 70% sure that's a mistake by the developers, however. Support attack and buffing is already much lower than assaulters as you are saying and then to make it physical attack would be dumb.

author: trakiner time: 2018-5-18 18:24:35

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-17 21:08
Hulk Hogan?

WATCHA MEAN BRO??? HULKAMANIA IS (STILL) RUNNING WILD!!! Fuck Roman Reigns (R.R.)

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-5-18 23:01:33

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-18 12:58
It does count toward supporter's physical attack, though. The number matched up perfectly in each ...

ah wells, hopefully developer will change it? lol... hope

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-18 23:26:28

DeEmEn replied at 2018-5-18 23:01
ah wells, hopefully developer will change it? lol... hope

hope and large change

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-5-19 02:03:20

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-18 21:26
hope and large change

we need people to top up to motivate them

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-19 14:29:00

DeEmEn replied at 2018-5-19 02:03
we need people to top up to motivate them

And new management

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-5-19 23:35:55

theunknown404 replied at 2018-5-19 12:29
And new management

vote me for president. =]

author: xb7gyahoo time: 2018-5-20 17:00:00

Does anyone know how many percent is Yhwach's shield for the team???

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-5-20 18:23:37

xb7gyahoo replied at 2018-5-20 17:00
Does anyone know how many percent is Yhwach's shield for the team???

30% growth rate, 30% chance

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