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author: MurakumoGai time: 2018-7-17 05:44:36 Title: about future advice

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the question is why everyone hate Tsukishima which thing from him is broken
and what will fix that broken not count Re-model / edit Tsukishima

Recover X fury after take damage ?
Halo + X fury to all ally partner ?

all advice will save our game
thank you

author: SolKnight time: 2018-7-17 05:55:40

Honestly care for nothing else about tsukishima beside his 7th mod.
Just make it when Being attacked or similar.
Or just make it that he reduces 50 fury when his turn comes and it should not by any means bypass Fury Deduction immunity.

The Key thing is do not Make Stuff that bypasses immunity like tsukishima does to a certain thing or are going out of there way to be immune to something.
Like do not make things with unclearable effects just for kyoka suigetsu there are other ways to deal with that situation it just feels to be in poor taste.

author: alicantibet time: 2018-7-17 06:02:40

Edited by alicantibet at 2018-7-17 12:20

His 7th is good if there no ''Cannot immune''

To counter Tsuki ,use RJ.
To counter his exc skill, use Kyoka.
To counter his every ,use HVI or Ster. Uryu lucky hit.
Ginjou's hp boost, but no problem, Muken,HVI or Ster Uryu and Reinf power (insta kill) will kill him easy.

author: sayanel34 time: 2018-7-17 06:03:52

I agree with SolKnight, the real problem in his 7th mod is the fact it can go through immunity.
Your prop is also good with the halo +x fury for allies too, considering having t1 for f2p is not that easy.

author: @ra5h_V time: 2018-7-17 06:28:19

the real problem in not his 7th mod, is why he smile when he put his sword in ichigos shoulder, what is wrong whim him?

author: Sylencer90 time: 2018-7-17 07:40:08

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author: Tanfosh time: 2018-7-17 09:13:09

almost every new released partner change the game in some way. in the end they will make new partner or a way to counter him

the problem I see is his exclusive skill. it isn't that good compared to other new partners

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-17 09:38:12

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author: rugalb666 time: 2018-7-17 09:55:30

I do not mind if they keep it as it is, the game changes new op stuff appears, old op ones become weaker and then useless, new stuff is very strong for a while and then counters appear and cycle repeats, it has always been like that nothing new here. It is a partner that anyone could get with time but there is no question that the stronger players will get him WAY faster, I am among the people who will get him last so...
if this is really a problem to that many and you intend to change, then make it "Halo + X fury to all ally partner" it is pretty good, but put at least 30 fury and not something lame like 10.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-17 10:16:23

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author: Potdenutella time: 2018-7-17 10:27:41

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-17 09:38
Ok guy seriously why all teh hate and fear os tsukishima espeically when he was said to be a free pa ...

Le poptepipic tsukishima
(I couldn't stop it, sowwy)

author: jackthehorn time: 2018-7-17 10:28:28

It will be hard to get partner no one will have it in a year's time. And by that time many more strong partners would have been released.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-17 10:52:08

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author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-17 11:12:26

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author: Malshun time: 2018-7-17 12:02:01

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-17 07:52
Well a ton of people have well over 10 inferno stones

I have over 20k Inferno stones with Muken and Kyoka. Early server and top of CSB ladder. They should throw the next zan in the inferno shop as well.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-17 12:05:53

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author: Malshun time: 2018-7-17 12:19:39

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-17 09:05
Well congrats on being OP

I doubt they will put another zan in ever again or at least not until ...

I'm just pointing out that players that have been at the top or near the top of the csb ladder since they added the inferno stones could easily have both muken and kyoka and have the stones ready for Tsuki if they didn't burn them for challenge stones.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-7-17 12:34:28

unrelated..

I think the best three investments the devs can make to this game....

1) Create more 15 to 25k gold price range partners to help throw in new strats for the middle dogs

2) Expand tavern and raise level cap

3) Make Void region kill on skill like they do with ES and Ryoka to fix the broken event

author: @ra5h_V time: 2018-7-17 13:17:39

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-17 19:16
i agree

there is no problem with tsukishima

you mean he smiles because he has not speed bond?

author: jackthehorn time: 2018-7-17 13:26:25

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-17 16:52
Well a ton of people have well over 10 inferno stones

Yes but mostly they are VIP 10 or high op spenders for whom tushishima or whatever will be a just a partner to have and not to use.
But MOST people who still havent got muken or KS or both will have a hard time getting him which is like 70% of people in each & every server.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2018-7-17 13:51:09

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author: Shiroe-Sama time: 2018-7-17 15:09:38

Well funny to see that we can't acces Seireitei lvl 165 and 175 xD

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-17 17:22:53

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author: shitsutoshin time: 2018-7-17 18:38:16

Leave all of his mods alone. Just make him cost 25000 inferno stones

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-7-17 19:21:47

Maybe make it theoretically possible to have enough starting fury to avoid his 7th mod. You just need really high starting fury.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2018-7-18 03:13:14

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author: Asian123 time: 2018-7-18 04:54:28

theunknown404 replied at 2018-7-18 01:21
Maybe make it theoretically possible to have enough starting fury to avoid his 7th mod. You just nee ...

Don't make it an insanely high amount of gold

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-7-18 09:03:55

Asian123 replied at 2018-7-18 04:54
Don't make it an insanely high amount of gold

It's what the developers would want.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-18 10:51:01

Well, its 50% of what starting fury he will deduct... I work my ass off and gather fury stones, the highest I get now is only 127 starting fury without weapon enhance... Unless we can find a way to get up to 200 fury, there's no way you can by-pass the mod. Unless, as theunknown404 said, if the new zanpakuto will generate fury... BUT this will only limit us to 2 useful zanpakuto when people start having this shitkishma. Either clear the debuff he will give you with his exclusive skills with KS Zanpakuto, or give you fury with this new zanpakuto. It's not that only the 7th mod is pain in the ass, but what will cause the PvP scene in the future.... with so little variety to gain victory against enemies... unlike before, there are always a way to beat your opponent.

With all these bullshit they added into the game, the counter solution options become slimmer and slimmer... First, Kyoka's remove self debuff and enemies buff, easy win for those slow opponent with half decent team. Yes, I got beaten by some noobs with only 11mil-ish BP; Second, Askin's 500% toxic damage; give so much advantage for those teams that have him. Now, Shitkishima's 7th mod. Like wtf...

author: SolKnight time: 2018-7-18 11:44:10

1st thing is first for DeEmEn Askins poison was reduced to 300%.

2nd Best Way to counter Tsukishima is Tavern kisuke.Look at it however hell you want but beside that 7th mod tsukishima borders on shit for the level of a partner he is made as.
If you have KS(Something much easier to obtain that tsukishima) just add Kisuke to form and make sure its just a bit slower than tsukishima as people would want it to be faster for him mod to be effective make sure kisuke just has the bulk to live zan hit>He dies>your turn>KS clears all Debuffs>Nuke with your remaining team.
Since if you can beat people with tsuki in the first place you can defo tank there new tsukishima anyday and to an extent outspeed.
Just a possible strat you can use.
Still afgree he is a bullshit partner.

author: theunknown404 time: 2018-7-18 11:51:42

DeEmEn replied at 2018-7-18 10:51
Well, its 50% of what starting fury he will deduct... I work my ass off and gather fury stones, the ...

Inferno shop has been cancer since day 1, so it's really nothing new when you think about it.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-18 12:26:25

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-18 12:49:40

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-18 10:26
Its a game

Askin is only 3005 as of now

OP shit popping up wayyyyyyyyyyy too often. btw, OP and BS is only a line different.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-18 12:53:12

theunknown404 replied at 2018-7-18 09:51
Inferno shop has been cancer since day 1, so it's really nothing new when you think about it.

that's the sad truth.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2018-7-18 14:48:27

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-19 00:09:38

SolKnight replied at 2018-7-18 09:44
1st thing is first for DeEmEn Askins poison was reduced to 300%.

2nd Best Way to counter Tsukishima ...

I like the first thing, but 2nd thing is horrible...

Traven Kisuke really? trying to speed him up is a bad idea already... Again... it's KS nature whoever go later wins, but depends on your opponent. There are better partners to die to counter Shitkishima... really horrible strats...

Things are harder than you thought, and options are way too little UNTIL new partners coming out that come with special mod? or Zan... or hope want they meant is 50% of starting fury (25 Fury deduction), then it's still doable.

author: SolKnight time: 2018-7-19 01:40:13

DeEmEn replied at 2018-7-19 00:09
I like the first thing, but 2nd thing is horrible...

Traven Kisuke really? trying to speed him up ...

Dude i did not say build him up or work on him intensely i presented him as the cheapest alternative for the strat.
He exists to die for his death mod.Rn there are present enough partner that can pull wins of with combination of two or so partners depending on the setup of course and this exsits as an alternative there are partners like hiki and so on who achieve the same task but in the end are there to die in order to boost the rest of the formation.
Instead of waiting for new partners think of possible strats that exist right now.

author: Tanfosh time: 2018-7-19 02:27:31

All we do is keep complaining about this and that. every new partner we find things we don't like and start complaining HOW OP is this new partner. If he is free we can get him in the end and other people will have to find a way to deal with him (it's not like he will cost so low in term of inferno stones so everyone will get him so easily ).

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-19 12:02:39

SolKnight replied at 2018-7-18 23:40
Dude i did not say build him up or work on him intensely i presented him as the cheapest alternati ...

If you required a partner to die so you can get fury. It's already a failure.

author: SolKnight time: 2018-7-19 12:39:09

DeEmEn replied at 2018-7-19 12:02
If you required a partner to die so you can get fury. It's already a failure.

This is a Kamikaze Strat.
Its done literally all the time.
Askin>His main use for a vanguard formation is Dying as soon as he can so that van can get that 100% Def + Air Rate.
B shunsui>A partner also meant to die to stop HVI or Muken for 1 round so that you have time to kill them.
Koga,Bazz B>There Death mod is one of there main draws.
Tavern Byak,B renji,Shinigami kensei e.t.c
There are plenty of partners that exist for this role and Tsukishima is not one shotting full forms alone anytime soon.
If he is not the fastest in formation and is vs someone of the same level they will likely kill Tsuki before he even gets a turn unless you have such absurd amount of resources that everything in your team is to damn fast.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-19 18:46:58

SolKnight replied at 2018-7-19 10:39
This is a Kamikaze Strat.
Its done literally all the time.
Askin>His main use for a vanguard forma ...

It's a type of strats, doesn't mean its a good strat. Just saying... if you require a partner to die for the team in order to beat the other team, you are struggling bad.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-19 20:48:52

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author: NabilSharif time: 2018-7-19 21:02:06

Can someone please help me re-gain access to my premium account? .-.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-19 21:54:52

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-19 18:48
Not really I was thinking of a lot of death teams that could work bak renji shy nemu bazz b koga a ...

Deathmods are used for when that partner can no longer fights, gives the rest of the team a chance to win the match. If you don't use the partner at their potential, you are using them just to let them die. It's really pathetic.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-19 22:18:54

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-19 22:48:22

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-19 20:18
its really pathetic?

what does that even mean its a game we all dont have to play the sam ...

It's normal to complain that Tshitkishima, Muken doesn't have a problem to deal with even when they are stacked. I always say KS is broken too.

Well, you can try to build a team base only for death mod, we will see from there.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-19 23:57:51

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-20 01:01:02

Edited by DeEmEn at 2018-7-19 23:02

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-19 21:57
Not really

where were all teh complaints when mooken was busy breaking everything?(did i miss al ...

Muken is doing massive damage, but he is way too easy to counter. PvE yeah, he is broken, but it doesnt kill the game play. You still have to know how to build him up.

HVI, too easy.

Stern? Too easy too... They all have a weakness to fight against.

Tshitkishima doesn't. He put entire team into disadvantage and turn the game play into shit show like KS.

the dev should get worked up because we don't want bullshit anymore.

For your death team then build one and keep using it then, I will see where it leads you. =] I will be waiting for your SS and battle report.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-20 01:59:35

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author: Tanfosh time: 2018-7-20 03:24:17

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-20 01:59
there is no knowing how to build in this game idk why people are pretending this is one high lvl N ...

at last some one is talking sense and logical about having tsukishima in the game

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-20 14:05:10

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-19 23:59
there is no knowing how to build in this game idk why people are pretending this is one high lvl N ...

Muken and HVI are easily dealt with in terms of PvP... PvE, I know the game content is far behind and I already talked to the developer to make PvE content stronger, but there's nothing they can do for ES. The only thing I mentioned with them is to increase the power of Void Region, that's the most they can do at this moment and there will be some changes soon to improve at least for Void Region. Ryoka might be able to do some work on, but still heard nothing from them, I will try my best to make PvE harder and more enjoyable.

The creation of Shitkishima pissed off not only those that invested tons of money, it's for everyone as well, maybe except for you and a couple of others?

Shitkishima will break the mechanism of PvP, that last for the past 3-4 years, what's the point of having fury stones when people start having this partner, all the hard work that people collecting Fury stones will be gone, F2P or VIP. I have my main account and my f2p alt account, so I know how that feels. Having him will give advantage against those who doesnt have him, and the shit show will come down when both side have him... no one have any sort of starting fury enough to skill. Playing like a noob again, without any fury stones on first round. This is also messed up for those players that are weaker, they had KS and start beating stronger guys because KS is also broken, now when stronger guys have Shitkishima with that mod, their way to beat the stronger guys are gone because they simply can't skill and stronger guy will skill faster than them, without the help of KS, they will get debuffed again and the enemy gain their buff. Both side have them is a counter? More like who is faster and luckier wins. Faster to regain buff and debuff enemy, lucky if KS, and slower KS only, chaos their HVI to win. It's not about team building when that happened, it's chaos, limited the amount of way to counter.

Adding good new partner is a good thing to keep people to stick around, but adding a BAD new partner can ruined the game. Its not about who has bigger Muken sized boner to win the game, maybe at your level yes, but as you develop further into the game, Muken barely do anything to a proper build team.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-20 14:44:38

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author: adnane.bek time: 2018-7-20 16:29:47

let me bring some coffee n some cigs i feel like im gonna read the wallstreet journal or the diplomatic world with the 2 of u @Devook @ Deemen

i'm sure it is interesting n i want to read but it is a pain in the ass to do so

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author: zelkova12320 time: 2018-7-20 18:53:36

I see him in game for 20k stones. I guess he was just added..I thought about waiting to get him because an orange support would be nice and I didn't think he'd cost so much. I'm 900 stones away from KS, I have muken and don't feel like waiting 10 months for him. x.x

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-20 20:10:44

Edited by DeEmEn at 2018-7-20 18:12

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-20 12:44
Don’t wall of text me again I’m not saying mooken and hvi are unstoppable I’m saying they should ...

Even if you didnt read mine, I still read yours because I respect your opinion. I can use wall text you anytime I want.

Muken and HVI aren't that strong except for their damage. But what makes a partner strong isn't all about their damages.

Hiki took out a lot of T1 people, sure... it's still easily counter, she isnt that fast isnt she... there are immune to fury deduction isnt there? T1 is still possible against Hiki, easily. Same goes with Kokuto, he is also not immune to fury deduction.

Silence? So many partners have immune to silence. KS can also easily clear that out, even if you are slower.

I don't see a crap tons of people stacking him around me, even the ones in my own server. A more normal game is where things that can always have a counter from another factor, this is how we change strategy. Death mods are 2nd chance for the rest of the team to fight back when that partner die, not for you to put him in just to let him die. If you require to sacrifice a partner for his death mod to win, its a sad story. Shitkishima shit on everyone's head when he released, those who worked hard for their formation and those that gather fury stones for starting fury for the past years. When everyone starting to have him, shit will be rolling down hill.
But however you want to think, it's up to you. Everyone has an opinion, like assholes.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-20 20:19:57

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-20 20:57:25

Edited by DeEmEn at 2018-7-20 19:22

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-20 18:19
I didnt say i didnt read it

I read it and gave points on the subjects

Well, enjoy the strengthened Void Region. You are welcome.
Maybe they need to make it tougher, not enough... still too easy...

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-20 21:34:55

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-20 21:46:47

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-20 19:34
I shall not

I shall enjoy my KS tho

I just want everyone to enjoy this game, including Void Region where everyone can challenge their power. I am also looking forward to remove the revive button, so no one would be in a rush to click in. But first, we need to make Void Boss strong enough to withstand few hits from top players.

I will try to talk to them and work on Ryoka too, but unfortunately ES has to stay the same.

I don't hate anyone, I am just trying to make this game for everyone and be fair for everyone. I love Bleach so much and I won't give it up.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2018-7-20 21:55:48

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author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-20 22:34:08

Devvoke2 replied at 2018-7-20 19:55
Fair is letting a 20k inferno partner get nerfed?

Price nerf when?

lol nuuuuuuuuuuu he is still OP even nerfed. Maybe make his 7th mod, deduct 50% fury when attacked? :O

author: SolKnight time: 2018-7-21 01:51:52

Edited by SolKnight at 2018-7-21 01:58

He is ingame already deal with it.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-7-21 02:03:01

SolKnight replied at 2018-7-20 23:51
He is ingame already deal with it.

Thanks for showing of which already been seen.

author: rugalb666 time: 2018-7-21 02:32:52

Edited by rugalb666 at 2018-7-21 08:42

Lol so 7th mod was not modified after all

hmmm 20000 stones though...well one more year to wait if the game does not shut in the interval, a bit frustating to have to give up on KS

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