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Title: Who's better? Sajin or Shin Shura Kenpachi? [Print this page]

author: NinjaKeyho time: 2015-2-21 14:47:13 Title: Who's better? Sajin or Shin Shura Kenpachi?

I'm interested to know who's better in terms of defense and offense. I already have Sajin but curious about SWP Kenpachi. Is he worth it? *Note that I'm lvl 80 at the moment and if I do get SWP Kenpachi, I'm not going to upgrade him.

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-21 15:27:47

terms of offense shin shura

boost to attack and crit with 300% growth rate skill, pretty much a no brainer + fossilize enemy vg, pair it up against any other vg in the world at 1v1 and it's going to win

str talent + higher growth rate, just makes sense he'd have more defense than saijin

i don't even think you can get swp kenpachi tokens at your lv though, so just save for now

author: NinjaKeyho time: 2015-2-21 16:13:37

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-21 14:27
terms of offense shin shura

boost to attack and crit with 300% growth rate skill, pretty much a no ...

I know I'm not at that lvl yet, but I was just wondering if he's better. Thanks.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-21 22:10:35

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-21 14:27
terms of offense shin shura

boost to attack and crit with 300% growth rate skill, pretty much a no ...

I think the only VG who would beat him is Lord Ichigo
But I am also looking to get SwP Kenpachi. His Attack is awesome I just hope he holds up for defense.
But if I can hipe them out in 2-3 turns who need defense lol

Oh question. What level do we start getting Kenpachi Coupons?

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-21 22:11:36

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-21 21:10
I think the only VG who would beat him is Lord Ichigo
But I am also looking to get SwP Kenpachi. H ...

no clue, if you don't have him by 90 then 95 or 100 for sure

author: Leitzur time: 2015-2-21 22:17:21

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-21 21:11
no clue, if you don't have him by 90 then 95 or 100 for sure

lv100, what fossilize skill do?

author: VeloxLetum time: 2015-2-21 22:51:54

Leitzur replied at 2015-2-21 22:17
lv100, what fossilize skill do?

I want to say it keeps the enemy VG from doing anything for the round, but the preview for him isn't working for me so I can't verify it :/

author: Judge_Spawn time: 2015-2-21 23:24:30

So far only seen one person with him
Am waiting for them up upgrade him lol
should be insane

author: NinjaKeyho time: 2015-2-21 23:31:00

Judge_Spawn replied at 2015-2-21 22:24
So far only seen one person with him
Am waiting for them up upgrade him lol
should be insane

Yeah there's one other person in my server who has him and he's in top 5.

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-22 00:21:20

Leitzur replied at 2015-2-21 21:17
lv100, what fossilize skill do?

According to in game resources, Fossilize renders enemy vanguard unable to attack for 1 turn.

Petrify if that makes more sense to you.
After upgrade in 1v1, he will be invincible.

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-22 00:23:39

fossilize stuns enemy vg for one round but enemy vg becomes immune to skill dmg, Works pretty much like void but opposite dmg vulnerability.

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-22 00:59:07

Eilisa replied at 2015-2-21 23:23
fossilize stuns enemy vg for one round but enemy vg becomes immune to skill dmg, Works pretty much l ...

hmmmmm... so when they r fossilized u cant dmg them ?

dang... wat a shame... din even notice tht...

normally my SWP hits last... n even if he hits the enemy wit his skill...

i onli notice tht they skip a turn thts all... din notice about the part they cant be dmg...

anyway...

if my SWP Ken hits last... tht person onli stuns for tht round...

so the next round my other partners start to hit... they get dmg too... so yeah... i guess its

hard to notice stuff like tht...

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-22 01:06:54

I noticed it on my vg when swp ken would skill on it and i would take 0 dmg nxt turn from shini ura skill but take dmg from normal attacks on vg.

author: selene0818 time: 2015-2-22 09:01:38

I have to admit I'm a bit in love with my Ken....

The Ken Cult Forever!

lol

author: grzesiekgabrile time: 2015-2-22 09:17:41

Why someone use Shin Shura Kenpachi?
He is not good van...
And that fossilize, i love that skill XD
i have enemy on CSB, he use SS Ken, this van help me alot to win with him.
This fossilize rescue me ahahaha
And one important thing, he is werry strong for me, only my Starrk stay vs full enemy team and i win ;)
All try to use SS Ken, but no one have mod him. So all other van are beter.
I have SS Ken only that i go for Nozarashi, and Noz Ken is epic, but SS Ken, this is joke. Maby only Wis with this van or other monster will be good XD

author: gr8nesh18 time: 2015-2-22 09:32:30

grzesiekgabrile replied at 2015-2-22 08:17
Why someone use Shin Shura Kenpachi?
He is not good van...
And that fossilize, i love that skill XD

we all know SWP partner not good unless its upgrade maybe only aizen that already op

author: grzesiekgabrile time: 2015-2-22 09:40:26

but i see so many player with not mod SS Ken, only beter for enemy then. SS Ken have only epic dmg, but def, or other things to help team?
Fosilize is not that good, like i say this skill rescue me only

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-22 11:53:59

SS Ken is still beter than Sajin, I got to do more waves @royka..
But yeah if you're gonna get Kenchan, you better get his upgrade asap

author: gr8nesh18 time: 2015-2-22 12:48:32

Edited by gr8nesh18 at 2015-2-22 11:53

well i heard at indo svr got ppl can one shot ryoka till wave 70, dunno true or not. BP 1.7m without count rei ...rei 100.
one server many ppl with lvl 105-126 zzzzzzz

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 13:05:43

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-2-22 23:09

IMO comparing sajin to shin kenpachi is like comparing a goal keeper to a striker, there is no comapraison her both have their qualities and weaknesses, the only + for sajin is the fact he's immune from break dmg final modded, but if you have high lvl stones the ken is viable, again it's only the first version those who took it are planning on the upgrade, this one is mainly temporary and viable with high stones, if you can't deal with it and want an offensive vg go for stark and prepare some break defense and hit stones too

author: gr8nesh18 time: 2015-2-22 14:45:37

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-22 12:05
IMO comparing sajin to shin kenpachi is like comparing a goal keeper to a striker, there is no comap ...

wrong sajin final mod not immune crit hit., i still can crit sajin with final mod.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 17:11:52

gr8nesh18 replied at 2015-2-22 20:45
wrong sajin final mod not immune crit hit., i still can crit sajin with final mod.

Thks made the correction, as for the topic ken is viable for high vip's he's even better than sajin since they want a higher dmg dealer vanguard, the upgrade is on the road who is the 2nd best vg in this game after the demon ichigo.

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-22 17:30:32

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-22 16:11
Thks made the correction, as for the topic ken is viable for high vip's he's even better than saji ...

nozarashi kenpachi will murder demon ichigo in a 1v1

he's red quality ichigo is yellow

350% growth +100 fury regen + silence 2 enemys + attack and crit bonus

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-22 17:50:48

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-22 23:30
nozarashi kenpachi will murder demon ichigo in a 1v1

he's red quality ichigo is yellow

Demon = red
Hollow ichigo = yellow

Making mistakes huh ;)

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 18:02:25

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-22 23:30
nozarashi kenpachi will murder demon ichigo in a 1v1

he's red quality ichigo is yellow

not talking about the tavern one, the one in event wich we never saw yet and who will cost an arm to get it

So in term of costs efficiency nozaraki is the best vanguard ingame imo

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-22 19:12:24

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-22 17:02
not talking about the tavern one, the one in event wich we never saw yet and who will cost an arm ...

nope, if both of you actually looked at your taverns i'm right

100% of the time (kidding, but seriously)

hollowified ichigo is the tavern one, which I never mentioned

Demon Ichigo is the special event partner, which is also yellow quality

I stand by what I said, nozarashi kenpachi will murder both

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-22 19:17:01

595459354 replied at 2015-2-22 16:50
Demon = red
Hollow ichigo = yellow

yeah that's what you just did.. literally
both are yellow

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-22 19:47:04

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-23 01:17
yeah that's what you just did.. literally
both are yellow

I'm colorblind.

Your move

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-22 19:49:06

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-23 01:12
nope, if both of you actually looked at your taverns i'm right

100% of the time (kidding, but se ...

Yeah just read Azrial's thingy again and a 1v1 Noza is a beast.
However Demon can be usefull for other pvp tactics though.. =)

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 20:01:37

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-23 01:12
nope, if both of you actually looked at your taverns i'm right

100% of the time (kidding, but se ...

i hope you're right cuz i have the shin ken now and preparing the upgrade,

Well i do wanna see them both on a fight to make it cllear

As for the color, do you see any diff about the yellow and the red? maybe main where the map is something, but for now i don't see any huge boost (example purple vs yellow)

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-2-22 20:16:22

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-22 19:01
i hope you're right cuz i have the shin ken now and preparing the upgrade,

Well i do wanna see t ...

rukia and kisuke, fulfill the same role but different color. which is better? yellow ofc. same goes for yellow and red.

i usually dont agree with yagami but this time he put the needle to the plank

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 20:20:45

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-2-23 10:15

BurakCinar replied at 2015-2-23 02:16
rukia and kisuke, fulfill the same role but different color. which is better? yellow ofc. same goe ...

i'm not disagreing with yagami nozora is red demon is yellow= fact, the thing is is there any hogus nor a special map for those red chars apart for the main where we have another map to make him stronger, All the hogus are supported by yellow types, if you have an insight on specific equipment upgrades hogus whatsoever tell us, as for agree or disagree when someone says facts there is no point arguing, maybe i don't see the potential of those red partners, inlight me

author: bladeofcloud time: 2015-2-22 21:05:10

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-22 19:20
i'm disgreing with yagami nozora is red demon is yellow= fact, the thing is is there any hogus spe ...

take the soul map for example, quality just means higher growth

a guy in the red soul map is going to have higher base stat multipliers than someone in the yellow zone

there might come a time for red hogu, who knows.. maybe CN will introduce it

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 21:12:33

this thread is like comparing the North and South

author: selene0818 time: 2015-2-22 21:19:21

Edited by selene0818 at 2015-2-23 05:32

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-22 20:12
this thread is like comparing the North and South

I vote north.... only because I live in the frozen wastelands of wisconsin

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-22 23:03:24

selene0818 replied at 2015-2-23 10:19
I vote north.... only because I live in the frozen wastekands of wisconsin

i vote for north too...

'coz you are there

author: gr8nesh18 time: 2015-2-23 08:48:35

and one more correction if im not wrong there already ppl said nozarashi fosilize unable move 1 round thats correct and not immune to damage, only hollowfy immune to damage but weird things urahara skill still can hit those hollowfy, maybe this is bug other partner cant hit hollowfy type.

author: Ragnos time: 2015-2-23 10:59:35

Anyone know the exact growth rate for SWP kenpachi. The numbers like 1500 or 950 are really not helping me I would like to see the growth rate like the tavern, easier to compare that way. Does anyone know the growth rates?

author: zExTrA time: 2015-2-23 12:35:23

Ragnos replied at 2015-2-23 09:59
Anyone know the exact growth rate for SWP kenpachi. The numbers like 1500 or 950 are really not help ...

Str. : 3.3
Wis. : 3.1
Agi. : 3
Sta.: 3.2

author: grzesiekgabrile time: 2015-2-23 13:24:37

i try Shin Shura Kenpachi and Starrk 1vs1 in soul map enemy is Tosen
Who will win? ;) Thos 2 van use same set, zanpakuto and all other stuff.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-23 15:00:46

sajin all the way !!!

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-23 15:10:25

grzesiekgabrile replied at 2015-2-23 12:24
i try Shin Shura Kenpachi and Starrk 1vs1 in soul map enemy is Tosen
Who will win? ;) Thos 2 van us ...

depends on how strong the equip is, but the two are equal, stark has hp regen ken has higher growth with fossilize xD

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-23 21:11:10

kenchi all the way since u can upgrade him lol

author: Ragnos time: 2015-2-23 21:36:37

zExTrA replied at 2015-2-23 11:35
Str. : 3.3
Wis. : 3.1
Agi. : 3

Thanks. that helps

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-24 03:16:18

grzesiekgabrile replied at 2015-2-23 12:24
i try Shin Shura Kenpachi and Starrk 1vs1 in soul map enemy is Tosen
Who will win? ;) Thos 2 van us ...

i beat tosen using starrk din't have shin shura though when I was fighting tosen

author: grzesiekgabrile time: 2015-2-24 05:11:05

Ok, so Starrk kill Tosen easy, and Shin Shura... 3 hit and lost... i try more time, but only Starrk have chance.
This is easy way to see who is beter

I say one more time Shin Shura sucks, only Nozarashi is good

I dont need dmg on Van who atack only 1 target XD
He need to def my team.
Shin Shura Kenpachi is only good on Ryoka

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-24 16:24:15

Those are the list from the best VG to the worst in my opinion:
1. Demon Ichigo
2. Upgraded SWP Kenpachi
3. Hollow Ichigo lvl110
4. Normal SWP Kenpachi
5. Toshiro
6. Starrak
7. Nnoitra Gilga
8. Hirako + Sajin ..

So I think yes rank 4 is better than rank 8 in my opinion.

author: crimsonhydra time: 2015-2-25 03:05:24

just wondering if you used upgraded SWP Kenpachi in the 1vs1 fight of espada would he just give himself the 100 fury and spam his skill then?

author: watman time: 2015-2-25 03:36:01

crimsonhydra replied at 2015-2-25 02:05
just wondering if you used upgraded SWP Kenpachi in the 1vs1 fight of espada would he just give hims ...

After the first turn, yes.
That should be the case

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-26 12:09:45

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-2-26 11:17

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-24 15:24
Those are the list from the best VG to the worst in my opinion:
1. Demon Ichigo
2. Upgraded SWP Kenp ...

My list of top vgs would be.
1. Demon Ichigo (Highest Aoe attack of the vg's + defense and incredible sustain)
2. Noz Ken (Vg crippling skill + silence and 100% fury regen to ally Crowd control from a vg

)
3. Starrk (Aoe skill decent defense + attack and incredible sustain)
4. Gorgeous Rangiku (decent aoe skill (only hits vg/assaulter or she would be 3rd on list + a Heal over time to her and support)
5. Hollow Ichigo / Toshiro (Both give defense to team in different forms aid from Ichigo and attack reduction from Toshiro. Toshiro once modded has slight edge over Hollow while Hollow as the edge in ease of recruiting modding early and has some sustain from skill but lacks compared to demon/starrk/rangiku)
6. Shin Ken (High damage a one turn vg stun (not so great) and attack buff to self but lower def and no sustain)

author: KrisKingOfLegend time: 2015-2-27 20:08:52

why do people value stark so much on my list he is next to toshiro my Shit list

author: Unholyknight time: 2015-3-16 16:40:39

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-2-27 19:08
why do people value stark so much on my list he is next to toshiro my Shit list

Starrk is a AoE hitting Van with HP Recovery and Block but something I feel alot of people tend to forget when it comes to Starrk is he has many flaws to him such as his high stone requirement or the fact he needs to skill right away. for High VIP players this is no issue but for f2p-low VIP this can be a major issue and let not forget if Starrk gets multiblocked on skill (I know it rare for this to happen but it something I don't rule out) that he receiving back more damage

I just think that why Starrk is as highly praised as he is and honestly I don't blame many players

author: troll4u time: 2015-3-19 11:30:56

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