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author: KingRammstein    time: 2019-2-13 08:43:06     Title: Katen or Ryujin Jakka?

Which is better?
author: SolKnight    time: 2019-2-13 09:17:08

Normally RJ is better in most scenarios but Katen has its uses as it is still the best PVE based zanpaktou in ryoka and ES. In PVP Katen is usefull with offensive support formations and hyper offence in general where if you have the team which can build high enough attack potential on its own katen can be used to give the buff to one shot many a foes.
However if you are buying RJ is going to be 8/10 times better cause it just does to much absurd shit.
author: rugalb666    time: 2019-2-13 09:27:23

Edited by rugalb666 at 2019-2-13 15:29

unless you have stacked Senju + phase 3  effect,  RJ all day
author: jackthehorn    time: 2019-2-13 09:35:18

Rj, forget everything else.
author: EdmondGzv    time: 2019-2-13 10:16:33

RJ is better than Ichimonji if used correctly, Ichi gives more stats, but that's all.
RJ still best zanp in game
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-15 18:27:44

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-2-13 08:16
RJ is better than Ichimonji if used correctly, Ichi gives more stats, but that's all.
RJ still best ...

nah, Ichimonji is still better if you know how to use it. RJ is just easier to use.
author: EdmondGzv    time: 2019-2-15 19:46:57

Edited by EdmondGzv at 2019-2-16 02:48
DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-16 01:27
nah, Ichimonji is still better if you know how to use it. RJ is just easier to use.

As a RJ user who doesn't own Ichimonji.
RJ did a lot for me, more than Ichi could have done. As indeed RJ is a no-brainer.
but I would say for peops 0-5m BP RJ is the best zanp.
Ichi comes in hand later for his stats and the buff clear, aid is good in early, t1 is good..but I would say RJ does more. Ichimonji without good chars is useless. RJ is better for poor.
I'm not a fan of Ichimonji and I will wait a new release till Christmas to see if I will change my zanp till then..if no new zan appears, I'm gonna consider Ichimonji only after I've done everything to my formation.
let's say +10/12m BP, then Ichimonji is a no-brainer. till then RJ rulez
author: theunknown404    time: 2019-2-15 19:56:27

RJ is generally better than Katen as it can fully counter Katen users. PvE, Katen is still better for damage.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-15 21:04:13

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-2-15 17:46
As a RJ user who doesn't own Ichimonji.
RJ did a lot for me, more than Ichi could have done. As ind ...

Exactly, it's easier to use, the def buff to let you survive a little longer, and extra damage from burn and multilate for those that cant do proper damage.

Ichimonji are for those that are tanky enough and able to do proper dmg. More advanced zanpakuto for higher tier players.

But nothing beats KS, as a broken zanpakuto, whoever goes slower will give extra chances to win the fight.
author: pangetda    time: 2019-2-17 04:36:30

does ichimonji delete debuffs even if it goes first?
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-17 04:48:46

pangetda replied at 2019-2-17 02:36
does ichimonji delete debuffs even if it goes first?

nope.
author: rugalb666    time: 2019-2-17 04:54:15

pangetda replied at 2019-2-17 10:36
does ichimonji delete debuffs even if it goes first?

it will delete debuffs the second round so debuffs are completely useless
author: rugalb666    time: 2019-2-17 04:55:47

Edited by rugalb666 at 2019-2-17 10:59
DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-16 03:04
Exactly, it's easier to use, the def buff to let you survive a little longer, and extra damage fro ...

LOL is that so? I'll give you my KS and you give me your Ichimonji, deal?Ichimonji is the best zan clear as day, it is the only one that play continuously for 4 rounds and give huge advantages offensive and def wise, the only drawback is that it is optimized for 1-3-1 team
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-17 05:00:22

rugalb666 replied at 2019-2-17 02:55
LOL is that so? I'll give you my KS and you give me your Ichimonji, deal?

You do know you have to have a good team to use Ichimonji lol. Just because it's an good zanpakuto doesn't mean it doesn't have side effect.

It's ok, I got KS myself.
author: rugalb666    time: 2019-2-17 05:06:06

Edited by rugalb666 at 2019-2-17 11:12
DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-17 11:00
You do know you have to have a good team to use Ichimonji lol. Just because it's an good zanpakuto ...

sure, some people try to play Ichimonji with no assaultersA minimum requirement is to build your team around Ichimonji  specific properties contrary to RJ which generic properties can go with any team
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-17 05:46:09

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-2-15 19:46
As a RJ user who doesn't own Ichimonji.
RJ did a lot for me, more than Ichi could have done. As ind ...

IMO there is no better zan between the 2 of them; ofc RJ is damn easy to install at any team that burn shizzle is like having another orange assaulter on ur team damn great and yep i do share ur opinion on the BP range between 0-10mill bp jakka maybe the best; after tat ichi may be good;

lets put it simply; if u dont have enough fire power to kill ur ennemy in 4 rounds or at least decimate his assault line and ur ennemy has jakka while u have that ichi ur ennemy may win; hell thats what i did against some ichi users;

for now id say jakka is kinda the weak point of ichimonji while KS got destroyed ; however KS is jakka nemesis

all 3 have meaning
author: rugalb666    time: 2019-2-17 05:53:03

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-17 11:46
IMO there is no better zan between the 2 of them; ofc RJ is damn easy to install at any team that  ...

a rock paper scissor kind of triangle ?   I like your analysis
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-17 06:14:07

rugalb666 replied at 2019-2-17 05:53
a rock paper scissor kind of triangle ?   I like your analysis

initially im not the one who came up with this idea, a friend of mine in same server noticed it first i would like to avoid any suits

but yep it does have that janken feel to it ; i did put it to the test and it kinda works; it is a shame to see kyoka becoming 100% useles against any ichimonji user

cheers mate
author: EdmondGzv    time: 2019-2-17 13:42:20

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-17 12:46
IMO there is no better zan between the 2 of them; ofc RJ is damn easy to install at any team that  ...

It gets down to whatever strat you have.
Ichi>KS>RJ in terms of stats.
RJ, def team, works on 2-2-1, maybe stacking a good VG-> Kugo?
Ichi-> 2-3-0 formation? I know that it isn't that bad for 2-2-1 formations too.  ( saw someone talking about 1-3-1, I doubt that is good, I saw solo's FBI in teams with Ichi and I didn't like what I saw, FBI-STERN-MOE-KUGO+ICHI? brain damage for me, it looks good for the excl of fbi, I think Moe is useless there, I would bought another support)
KS->??? People who upgrade from RJ to KS just for stats, KS best zanpakuto if farmed for low vips in CSB, nothing else to say, I'm not a fan of KS, but in town it looks the best.
RJ is the best overall zanp for me. Ichi does better in higher tier teams, at least VIP 8. So, it's the natural upgrade when hitting a proper BP/formation.
author: EdmondGzv    time: 2019-2-17 13:46:57

I can also say that best team overall comes with an Ichimonji. So, FBI-BWB-Stern-KUGO + ichimonji is the best overall team, that can be used in all areas.
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-17 14:38:57

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-2-17 13:42
It gets down to whatever strat you have.
Ichi>KS>RJ in terms of stats.
RJ, def team, works on 2-2 ...

yep pretty much

the biggest loser zan is KS users if they find themselves with a lot of ichi users; ichimonji release did fuk up the hope of any low vips or f2p to counter the must in high vip zan ie jakka; that's basically finished at least when it comes to new servers mostly high rollers will take ichimonji some fans of jakka will take ofc;

regarding ichi ofc best team a 2 3 0 team high speed supp and combo and dmg for assault; i also saw a 1 3 1 team with ichi and not bad at all; bwb main muken stern and baka kenpa;  so far i see only bwb as the only possible supporter to be solo
author: LadyKyojin    time: 2019-2-17 23:39:26

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-2-13 15:16
RJ is better than Ichimonji if used correctly, Ichi gives more stats, but that's all.
RJ still best ...

http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... ;t=1&lang=en_Eu here you go RJ fortfy 15 10 10 vs ichi maxed,
author: pangetda    time: 2019-2-18 01:48:08

DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-17 05:00
You do know you have to have a good team to use Ichimonji lol. Just because it's an good zanpakuto ...

by a good team you mean an all orange team? if so yes XD
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-18 02:01:19

I got a headache when I see all those comments lol. There are better option to use Ichimonji. Anyways...
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-18 04:57:00

LadyKyojin replied at 2019-2-17 23:39
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=579850299094218241&aid=58&t=1&lang=en_Eu here you go RJ ...

a good example of a weak assault line using ichimonji; his break defense and dmg are to rething of
author: rugalb666    time: 2019-2-18 07:20:00

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-18 10:57
a good example of a weak assault line using ichimonji; his break defense and dmg are to rething of

lol way to bang your head repeatedly against a wall
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-18 14:13:37

rugalb666 replied at 2019-2-18 07:20
lol way to bang your head repeatedly against a wall

lol yep                    
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-18 14:28:35

You don't build your team around Ichimonji btw, it's your team is a good idea to use ichimonji or not. Able or not able to handle his side effects.
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-18 14:57:05

DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-18 14:28
You don't build your team around Ichimonji btw, it's your team is a good idea to use ichimonji or no ...

agreed, thats why jakka is more powerfull in a way since jakka does fit superbly any team
author: Bindus    time: 2019-2-18 15:23:45

jakka is amazing in any way u see it, considering the team that u have, orange or not. the only thing that can so far stop RJ, is the new Mayuri. As far as i can see (and i had to fight guys with less than 6m bp on my second acc and i lost with a team of RJ-MUken-STD-Kugo-B Yama) Mayuri is the only character that can make either ur RJ or Ichi, regret that u spent the money on them.
author: EdmondGzv    time: 2019-2-18 15:59:28

Bindus replied at 2019-2-18 22:23
jakka is amazing in any way u see it, considering the team that u have, orange or not. the only thin ...

why would you say that?
author: Bindus    time: 2019-2-18 16:19:43

im fighting two players that have BW Mayuri. One has Ichi and the other one has RJ, and both of them on CSB have less than 2 millions bp in pvp, and their Mayuri pass through even the ign of RJ, and any other dot, clear debuffs and recover health. Their Mayuri, with or without a top tier zampakuto, are like zombies that cant die, throwing to the bin the dmg of Mukens and bypassing the last mod of my Kugo. Again BW Mayuri is broken as fuck ( pardon my french).
author: LadyKyojin    time: 2019-2-18 18:58:18

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-18 09:57
a good example of a weak assault line using ichimonji; his break defense and dmg are to rething of

this guy become even weaker if he changed mod to break defence im just few steps ahead lol also that muken had doom set im rocking quincy soul king. rj is ideal for most teams.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-18 20:07:30

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-18 12:57
agreed, thats why jakka is more powerfull in a way since jakka does fit superbly any team

hence, reference my post @ #9.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2019-2-18 20:12:50

Bindus replied at 2019-2-18 13:23
jakka is amazing in any way u see it, considering the team that u have, orange or not. the only thin ...

Mayuri is not that OP or Broken as f. It's the team that it's facing.
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-19 10:05:22

DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-18 20:07
hence, reference my post @ #9.

oh; didnt notice mate so we agree then
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-19 10:07:16

LadyKyojin replied at 2019-2-18 18:58
this guy become even weaker if he changed mod to break defence im just few steps ahead lol also th ...

a few step but big steps then ; he cant avoid ur block assault line even once

he gotta do much better on that part cuz ichi or whatever the zan if u get a full block from a 2 million attk
author: theunknown404    time: 2019-2-19 10:29:32

DeEmEn replied at 2019-2-18 20:12
Mayuri is not that OP or Broken as f. It's the team that it's facing.

At 2 to 6 million bp fights, I'd imagine he's pretty good, though.
author: LadyKyojin    time: 2019-2-19 18:20:27

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-19 15:07
a few step but big steps then  ; he cant avoid ur block assault line even once

he gotta do ...

LOL thanks man, this guy was kicking my ass start of server merg, i just started playing again and not using Lazy pilots
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-20 13:07:54

LadyKyojin replied at 2019-2-19 18:20
LOL thanks man, this guy was kicking my ass start of server merg, i just started playing again and ...

wow so gratz mate since u turned the table around good job ; i do recall ur ign in forum u were here since 2014 if im not mistaken; welcome back also
author: LadyKyojin    time: 2019-2-20 21:19:15

adnane.bek replied at 2019-2-20 18:07
wow so gratz mate since u turned the table around  good job ; i do recall ur ign in forum u were ...

thanks mate yes ive been around for a while, alot have quited im still here and there i cant let my top up go to waste lol, glad you still kicking around
author: adnane.bek    time: 2019-2-21 02:57:42

LadyKyojin replied at 2019-2-20 21:19
thanks mate yes ive been around for a while, alot have quited im still here and there i cant let m ...

well i know that feeling of not letting ur top up got to waste; well i gave my main account when i left, no somebody else playing it; i'm just here in the english forum to fool around and give some advice mostly outdated ;

i started from scratch in the french version better support and rewards

cheers





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