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author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2019-3-7 08:09:23 Title: Formation advice

I was just wondering if I should buy and use Bankai Yama instead of using Yhwach? Was gonna get him last event, but didn't think it was a good choose.. Now im debating him, keeping Yhwach, or buying a new one? I'll post current partners, to give a better understadning of my team. Please give suggestions and best events to buy each of them

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author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-7 08:35:47

well if u plan on getting RY and yourwatch permanently then yamaji isnt needed and u can get hasch instead to increase yourwatch dmg to the max
yourwatch dmg is absurdly insane once he gets hasch and RY on the backline on the other yamaji can be tanky asf but his dmg will never hold a candle to yourwatch once he is backed with RY and Hasch

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2019-3-7 08:50:21

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-7 08:35
well if u plan on getting RY and yourwatch permanently then yamaji isnt needed and u can get hasch i ...

They're both almost paid off actually. B.Yama skill looked great and also linked with Shin. I don't know if I plan on keeping them. RY might be staying on the team. Is there any other good assaulters for a decent price? Sorry, just started playing again after like 3 years

author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-7 09:58:51

Edited by baldy01 at 2019-3-7 10:04

well there is hell verse ishigo which comes in special annual events for 20-40k he is OP deffo the 2nd top assulter if not first has many flaws so u would need kokuto (must get) koku price is same his and another good supp to complement him
there is stern uryu he is 30-50k depending on the event he can rly go off if u stack him nicely give him the right supports like bwbyakuya greatest 1st round nuker after yourwatch
there is muken he doesnt cost gold u can get him from inferno shop for free obv he is without a doubt the top stand alone meaning he doesnt need any1 to be op unlike the other 2 and if paired with stern for that shared mod boi oh boi will he pop off
there is yourwatch (the poor king who ppl underestimate) he honestly sux alone but if u can get him in form with RY and hasch he can gain an additional 70% phy atk and dmg rate which is honestly huge and puts up there over uryu and these 2 supps are great since RY increase his speed and hasch increases his def and adds shields to him not only that but also give him heals on hit
and then there is yamaji he used be great but now he is well not that good with ppl going towards just stacking VG and being tankey as heck he isnt that great his only merit is that he can be the tankiest assulter out there idk he can still work if u put him in the right formation
other red assulters well tbf they arent worth spending gold on since they might pop up in ubp + they dont hold a candle to those that i mentioned
to sum it all up i can say that the above assulter by their dmg in each round
basically rated by their first round damage Yourwatch>Stern Uryu> HVI> muken Aizen > Yamaji (yep Yourwatch is better than them all if lined with both RY and Hasch otherwise he goes to the bottom right b4 yama)
2nd round damage Muken Aizen>Yourwatch> HVI > Yamaji>SternUryu (thanks to his broken last mod MA deals tons of dmg if he survives till then)
at 3rd round Muken>HVI>Yourwatch>Yamaji>SternUryu(HVI takes a while to charge up his last mod but he basically the king of the battlefield if he can survive long enuf)
at 5th round HVI>Muken>Yourwatch>Yamaji>SternUryu(
at the end of the day these are all great assaulters they just need the right supports and VGs to complement them and looking at ur form i'd go Yourwatch cuz am a YW fanboi i guess xD
well keep digging around till u find out which one of them u like the most and then make ur choice till then i hope i've helped enuf

ahh also i would suggest saving up ur gold and wait till oct feast or xmas if u do plan to get new partners cuz prices will be 50% lower on these 2 events

sorry about the essay

author: Potdenutella time: 2019-3-7 11:08:33

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-7 09:58
well there is hell verse ishigo which comes in special annual events for 20-40k he is OP deffo the 2 ...

Yhwach > Stern > HVI > Muken > Yamaji
Yhwach > Muken > Stern > HVI > Yamaji
Yhwach > Muken > Stern > HVI > Yamaji
Muken > Yhwach > HVI > Stern > Yamaji
Muken > Yhwach > HVI > Stern > Yamaji

Fixed that for ya.

Well there are too many factors to include, whether if the ennemy has high DEF (so HVI and Stern have the advantage) or not etc... So it's all random up there lel, one thing I am certain is Yhwach outdamages Muken for 3 first rounds. If we exclude the supports, Yhwach's damage is equal to Muken's the first round and the latter wins all the way for the rest of the rounds.

author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-7 11:48:18

aw damn why thank you

tho i thought that with stern mod muken would outclass yowatch after the 2nd round,welp thats more knowledge so thanks

author: theunknown404 time: 2019-3-7 14:44:26

Bankai Yama is meh in the long run.

author: Potdenutella time: 2019-3-7 14:50:43

Edited by Potdenutella at 2019-3-7 16:03

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-7 11:48
aw damn why thank you
tho i thought that with stern mod muken would outclass yowatch after the 2n ...

Stern's mod was unknown to me, I simply compared a glasscannon Yhwach to a lone Muken.

Edit : Here's a blind comparison, their scores of damage with the reincarnation 5 against void of 2m DEF and 50% immune rate.
That's Yhwach with his two supports versus Muken with the -40% DEF from Stern, both with their original skills, their maximal ATK and DMG. I don't count the extra damage from the fury however that's too much hassle, hence the "blind" part.

Yhwach	Muken
15,823,424	7,328,889
34,421,913 *	22,770,499
34,421,913 **	38,212,108

* Assuming he can skill again, otherwise he attacks normally with 16,391,387.
** If followed with a normal attack from the previous round, he'll skill with 15,823,424.

If Muken has the EX skill level 3 instead :

Muken

9,327,677

28,980,635

48,633,592

If Yhwach has the ATK buff from EX.Hasch (yeah that's unfair, but hey lol) :

Yhwach

35,375,806

76,955,717 *

76,955,717 **

* Similar to the first table, if he has no fury to skill, a normal attack of 36,645,580 that's it.
**Again if followed, 35,375,806.

Right how about we spice things up ? Let's use Yhwach of 28th as punching ball, he has 250% immune rate this time... oh and Muken with his EX skill :

Yhwach	Muken
4,723,162	828,655
23,321,651 (11,105,548)	2,574,589
23,321,651 (4,723,162)	4,320,524

That's right, the DMG matters more than the ATK in this scenario, Muken reaches max 269,5% DMG with the full set (not 4/2) whereas Yhwach gets 335,1%... Didn't I mention Yhwach's skill grants a buff of 100% DMG to self which is multiplicative rather than additive ? His DMG goes up to over 670,2% just with the buff, that explains his monstruous boost of damage the second round.

With the comparison alone it's easy to tell that Yhwach is more of a nuker and Muken big dick damage, I purposely calculated only 3 rounds because Yhwach's damage stagnate with the skill and 100% DMG buff while Muken can still get higher with the remainng 200% ATK.
See for yourself what's better between both of them, but...

Muken's last mod is canceled in void, he would deal the same amount of damage he did on the first round to all the other rounds, Yhwach, assuming the link with the two supports is not canceled, is rofling at him. Unfortunately no one use the glasscannon today it might be hard to hear their feedback on Hasch/Raijin's halo working in void or not.

author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-7 17:15:51

Potdenutella replied at 2019-3-7 14:50
Stern's mod was unknown to me, I simply compared a glasscannon Yhwach to a lone Muken.

Edit : Here ...

ohh most interesting
yowatch outclasses all of the orange assulters based on what u said then, seems he hasnt aged for a red partner yet

well cheers for him outclassing the upcoming assaulters as well

oh and am pretty sure his halos are disabled in void since yamaji-sdt ,muken-stern and hvi-kuck halos are disabled

author: Potdenutella time: 2019-3-7 17:26:30

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-7 17:15
ohh most interesting
yowatch outclasses all of the orange assulters based on what u said then, se ...

I know Stern's -40% worked weeks ago but now ? Maybe I am out of touch, what a shame.

author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-7 17:29:53

well it still works for Stern only never worked for muken tho sadly

author: antijubei time: 2019-3-7 17:50:02

Potdenutella replied at 2019-3-7 14:50
Stern's mod was unknown to me, I simply compared a glasscannon Yhwach to a lone Muken.

Edit : Here ...

Cheetos stripes!!
wait does that mean all other dmg rate halos and buff are multiplicative and not additive? specifically N.Isane's buff and S.Nemu halo

author: Potdenutella time: 2019-3-7 18:00:23

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-7 17:29
well it still works for Stern only never worked for muken tho sadly

Ah RIP

@antijubei
The buff is multiplicative, the non-buff (halo) like Hasch, Raijin, Shy Nemu... is additive, you add Shy's 30% directly to the base damage, not multiplying by 1.3.

author: antijubei time: 2019-3-7 18:17:03

Ahh i see
well thanks for the info

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2019-3-7 21:12:27

You all just confused me so bad...

author: antijubei time: 2019-3-8 01:43:50

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2019-3-7 21:12
You all just confused me so bad...

well bottom line is Yhwach > than every assaulter has been made thus far xD
so get him that Hasch and u're good to go

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2019-3-8 01:45:32

antijubei replied at 2019-3-8 01:43
well bottom line is Yhwach > than every assaulter has been made thus far xD
so get him that Hasch ...

Do I add Hasch to my team?

author: Devvoke2 time: 2019-3-8 03:59:43

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author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-8 04:00:01

Edited by baldy01 at 2019-3-8 04:01

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2019-3-8 01:45
Do I add Hasch to my team?

well if u can afford to get him, then heck yeah
u can replace him with sdt
hasch is a really really great add i think he is the 2nd best supp to back up an assaulter with after bwb
and for a formation that has Yowatch i'd say that he is the nr.1 supp

author: Potdenutella time: 2019-3-8 04:58:40

Devvoke2 replied at 2019-3-8 03:59
u r wronk

STern STack is teh future

Future is money, money is future.

For if you should go for the glasscannon way, mind that it is much harder to build and make the ultimate nuker than with the oranges such a Muken or Stern or HVI+Kokuto... and the +35% ATK/DMG halo is gone if the support dies, Glasscannon Yhwach is the "High risk high reward" kind of partner... It's safer to play with an orange assaulter.
All I said are just guesses and calculations, I don't have the experience with the glasscannon against the recent partners of today because I don't have the supports lol

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2019-3-8 05:55:21

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-8 04:00
well if u can afford to get him, then heck yeah
u can replace him with sdt
hasch is a really real ...

Id rather not trade out SDT though.. Really like him, plus that would be 40k gold a waste

author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-8 10:34:21

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2019-3-8 05:55
Id rather not trade out SDT though.. Really like him, plus that would be 40k gold a waste

hmm well u can always try to fly what u're riding

and am not saying get him right away cuz obv u wont have the resources to make him useful right away
anyways just keep ur current form till u fully mod it and see if it works out for u
if it does work then meh hasch isnt needed
for now focus on getting those mods fast lel i assume u know the harribel-urahara way of getting mod frags?
anyways for ur lvl thats a decent form

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2019-3-8 14:01:20

baldy01 replied at 2019-3-8 10:34
hmm well u can always try to fly what u're riding
and am not saying get him right away cuz ob ...

What harribel-urahara way? ..

author: baldy01 time: 2019-3-8 14:26:03

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2019-3-8 14:01
What harribel-urahara way? ..

harribel and urahara's dojos both have the highest modify fragments drops so what u basically do i s
clear their dojos twice everyday till u obtain 3rd mod on them after that u inherit them with 50gold each, for a total of 300-400 modify frags
and after that u just repeat doing that if u'd like to make the most out of the gold i suggest u inherit them after u fully modify them
good luck and have fun

author: MylarHyrule time: 2019-3-8 14:35:34

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2019-3-8 14:36

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2019-3-7 08:50
They're both almost paid off actually. B.Yama skill looked great and also linked with Shin. I don' ...

bankai yama is trash (for an orange assaulter, lol)

Muken crushes him and is free, HVI crushes him at same price point... in fact, for an orange partner, Bankai Yama was outdated almost as soon as he dropped... I've not played in several months, but I've NEVER seen a situation where I would suggest someone buy B Yama period...

author: EdmondGzv time: 2019-3-8 14:59:11

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2019-3-8 21:01
What harribel-urahara way? ..

get bwb because you have SDT for his speed bond. get Stern after. you decide to go 2-2-1, 3-2-0.etc you add accordingly. The priority for you should be BwB. Then Stern.
Edit: Also Zanpakuto. Invest in a better zanpakuto

author: adnane.bek time: 2019-3-8 16:04:53

better build th team u have already by investing on stones and hogus, since sdt and rajin are both key players to u, u gotta think of the best way to enhance wwhats forward; id say ywatch is the best red assaulter u may dream of; baka yamaji just forget him everyone here is unanimous; better farm for u muken or if u planning on getting tsuki well the best assaulter so far is stern damn hard hitter and kinda fast plus immune chaos; other than that well kukaku can do the trick for some time until u hit 10million bp then other 10+ will kill her faster;

for now ur ups are chaos and crowd control + a good defensive team with kukaku as a vg u gotta full mod that ofc

ur downside sdt is very weak against kokuto users and fury deduction well this debuff has become unversal now even among the ones who are immune since the tsukishit and baka mayonaise;

what else u need a well balanced support maybe that heals and buff ur team speed and protection = hach or bwb so far

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