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author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-27 11:05:11 Title: CSB Aizen VS Ultima Aizen

Ultima Aizen
STR = 1200
AGI = 1500
WISDOM = 1400
HP = 4000

Modification
1. 10% DEF
2. 12% HP
3. 12% Avoid Injury rate
4. 12% Speed
5. Immune fury restriction
6. Decrease enemy male characters crit rate by 35%
7. Immune silence

Talent: Increase certain agility by certain percents, naturally has 10% combo rate and aid rate
Skill: Attack all enemies, growth rate is 136%, cast Void on enemy assaulters and fury restriction on enemy support
for 2 rounds. Increase enemy vanguard's attack by 150% and cast Chaos on enemy vanguard for 1 round.

CSB Aizen
STR = 1800
AGI = 2100
WISDOM = 2100
HP = 7200

Modification
1. 7% DEF
2. 10% Break Defense
3. 10% HP
4. 10% Immune rate
5. 10% Speed
6. when being attack, there is 50% chance of deducting enemy fury by 10
7. everytime deduct hp by 10%, bonus increase defense by 3%

Talent: Increase agility by a higher percent, and naturally has 10% avoid injury rate and 7% combo rate.
Skill: Attack all enemies, growth rate is 130%, chance of decreasing enemy fury by 10 points and stun for 3 rounds, stun rate is affected by level difference.

The way I see it is CSB Aizen is faster, does more damage, and equal control to ultima aizen.
Those are the stats for both, you can see that CSB Aizen AGI / WIS / HP so much higher than Ultima Aizen.. which makes him faster, more survival and deals more damage?
What do you think?

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-27 11:15:52

You need the growth stats before you can conclude who's the best imo (but I think Ultima Aizen will be the faster one)

For the poll I picked Ultima Aizen, just because it has a certainty that you'll controll your opponent, as for CSB aizen, you got a chance to stun them. (Besides, I think Mr Roshi already told us the stun rate wasn't that epic)

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-27 11:16:59

595459354 replied at 2015-2-27 10:15
You need the growth stats before you can conclude who's the best imo (but I think Ultima Aizen will ...

I can see the growth rate for CSB Aizen, but I can't for ultima.. do you know what is his growth rate.. and if the stats for wis/hp etc are much higher.. shouldn't his growth rate be higher too?
and for the stun.. is that guy fighting others who is higher level than him? cuz the stun is the same for everyone else.. but if csb aizen deals more damage and faster, with more survival.. I would care less about stunning anyone

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-27 11:28:57

No idea, but Ultima aizen is a SSS class while CSB Aizen is SS, so his growht rates might be higher

+ the basic stats doesn't mean that much to me

As for survival, CSB Aizen might be stronger but that doesn't bother me tbh

As for Mr roshi's Aizen idk, you should ask paofui ;)

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-27 11:39:05

595459354 replied at 2015-2-27 10:28
No idea, but Ultima aizen is a SSS class while CSB Aizen is SS, so his growht rates might be higher ...

Well Sogyo is SSS and still Zangetsu SS is better than Sogyo in both pvp/pve .. right?

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-27 12:00:07

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-27 17:39
Well Sogyo is SSS and still Zangetsu SS is better than Sogyo in both pvp/pve .. right?

Yup true that haha,
Oh well it seems we won't be seeing a SWP ultimate aizen soon anyway, so grab yourself that CBS aizen ;)

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-27 12:18:15

595459354 replied at 2015-2-27 11:00
Yup true that haha,
Oh well it seems we won't be seeing a SWP ultimate aizen soon anyway, so grab ...

dude you are right and wrong at the same time
true ultima growth rates are higher than CSB aizen but not because of his rank it's because he is red and growth rates of red partners are higher than gold ones ( i think ultima is better BTW )

author: Evild4nte time: 2015-2-27 12:19:24

I think Ultima Aizen is much more reliable. U can a sure disabling and not that strange stun by chance.

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-27 12:21:36

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-27 10:16
I can see the growth rate for CSB Aizen, but I can't for ultima.. do you know what is his growth ra ...

The reason Ultima is better pvp the status effects land 100% of the time unless the partner has a mod that makes them immune. While CSB will never have 100% chance and even if CSB does more overall damage the damage alone doesn't outweigh the value of the control Ultima gives.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-27 12:32:57

Eilisa replied at 2015-2-27 11:21
The reason Ultima is better pvp the status effects land 100% of the time unless the partner has a ...

yes but its all about who attack first.. if mugetsu/white ichigo/main attacks first with 100% fury.. I think both ultima and csb aizen will be on low health.. so then comes the supporters to attack.. and aizen csb is faster than ultima with more dmg.. I think he should be able to finish off the ultima xD.. but its all my theory dont know what happens in a real fight

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-27 12:41:15

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-27 11:32
yes but its all about who attack first.. if mugetsu/white ichigo/main attacks first with 100% fury ...

I'm assuming these are on best ideal setups (final modded ideal team) If not running Genryu in team Mugestu Genryu) probably going to be slower than Ultima Aizen (since ideal partner is shin gin which adds another 10% speed boost to Ultima and is also immune to Mugestu's debuff) If your initial attack from Mugestu fails to kill off Ultima your team gets locked down outside Mugestu. Running Genryu to make Mugestu faster also leaves your support slower so its a hard choice to make i think.

author: Evild4nte time: 2015-2-27 12:41:42

Not sure, if CSB Aizen is really much faster. I dont think that the little difference in growthrate will do much. Maybe the agigrowthrate will not even be more difference than the 2% more speed at the mod.

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-2-27 12:52:09 Title: RE: CSB Aizen VS Ultima Aizen

Edited by UnKnOwNHoLlOw at 2015-2-27 11:57

Eilisa replied at 2015-2-27 11:41
I'm assuming these are on best ideal setups (final modded ideal team) If not running Genryu in tea ...

As far as i know mugetsu reduces 3 random partners fury , silences the enemy support and gives a combo buff to ally support for 2 turns and recovers own and vanguards fury he also has the highest assaulter aoe growth rate skill....

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-27 13:41:37

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-2-27 12:48

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-2-27 11:52
As far as i know mugetsu reduces 3 random partners fury , silences the enemy support and gives a c ...

Yeah Mugestu is 190% aoe and silence to support but if your running final modded Aizen and Shin Gin both are immune to Silence while Mugestu I believe is immune to Void and Stunning (might be fury sealing though) so You would have to rely on Mugestu to live through Aizen's attack (Assaulter's tend to be weak vs kido as support are weak to physical) and your running ideal setups so the intitial t1 fury shouldn't be removed either since your starting fury should be well over 100.

It is just hypothetical guessing will be a long time till we see any of the setups mentioned the mod time a lone is going to be horrendous.

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-2-27 13:48:43 Title: RE: CSB Aizen VS Ultima Aizen

Eilisa replied at 2015-2-27 12:41
Yeah Mugestu is 190% aoe and silence to support but if your running final modded Aizen and Shin Gi ...

True.....

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-2-27 14:34:00

HMA Aizen for sure.
I'm not sure if I even want the CSB one anymore because of the low stun and fury deduction rate. It's so tempting to just spend my stones on Kenpachi... not sure what to do either.

author: ajoalex time: 2015-2-27 14:39:39

Brahmastra replied at 2015-2-27 23:34
HMA Aizen for sure.
I'm not sure if I even want the CSB one anymore because of the low stun and fury ...

get ken and bya from csb, then spend on epic scrolls

, forget csb aizen and go for hma aizen. thats my plan as of now.
but then keep the stones in hand, we never know if that equipment tab opens up in our servers

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-27 14:42:40

Brahmastra replied at 2015-2-27 13:34
HMA Aizen for sure.
I'm not sure if I even want the CSB one anymore because of the low stun and fury ...

Well thats really good.. then I suggest you save all your stones for the best CSB partner in-game (mysterious partners), they will cost like 16k stones or more

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-2-27 14:51:08

Yeah I'm scared as hell to buy anything with my stones.. I bet if I get CSBKen Isshin releases next week LOL

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-27 15:34:59

I'm getting CSB Aizen just for the utility he can provide on hollow maps although still unsure if he will be adequate at replacing tavern gin/aizen for stunning.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-27 15:47:06

Eilisa replied at 2015-2-27 14:34
I'm getting CSB Aizen just for the utility he can provide on hollow maps although still unsure if he ...

Can Shinso Gin do that job? if I want to ignore having him?

author: nieverland time: 2015-2-27 15:56:08

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-27 13:42
Well thats really good.. then I suggest you save all your stones for the best CSB partner in-game ...

sorry but that mysterious char doesnt exist, and prob gonna be like that till the end of this game due to SWP mods havent been fixed yet even in CN servs and that is really amazing to me

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-27 15:56:52

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-27 14:47
Can Shinso Gin do that job? if I want to ignore having him?

Yeah i would assume so I didn't get Shin Gin due to the expire date modification on mods.

author: Eilisa time: 2015-2-27 16:01:55

nieverland replied at 2015-2-27 14:56
sorry but that mysterious char doesnt exist, and prob gonna be like that till the end of this game ...

Ouch how long swp partners been out there 4-5 months?

author: nieverland time: 2015-2-27 18:06:38

Eilisa replied at 2015-2-27 15:01
Ouch how long swp partners been out there 4-5 months?

around 4 months prob, and IMO thats an huge amount of time to solve that problem, that and the fact pet update was meaningless make me worried about the future of this game, not an close btw should be alive like 1 year even after the final update of this game

author: KrisKingOfLegend time: 2015-2-27 18:13:30

you can get them both even if you are F2P

SO MY VOTE IS ON BOTH OF THEM

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-27 18:18:07

nieverland replied at 2015-2-27 17:06
around 4 months prob, and IMO thats an huge amount of time to solve that problem, that and the fac ...

pet update was awesome, what are you talking about?

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-2-27 18:28:46

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-2-27 17:13
you can get them both even if you are F2P

heres a man with a brain lmao.. appreciate what u can get for free on this game xD

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-2-27 18:34:53

atleast CSB aizen actually works for hollow soul, void and fury supress I don't think work

author: KrisKingOfLegend time: 2015-2-27 19:09:11

BurakCinar replied at 2015-2-27 17:28
heres a man with a brain lmao.. appreciate what u can get for free on this game xD

they are probably the best character you can get for free..

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-27 19:12:01

just get both LOL

author: nieverland time: 2015-2-27 20:15:35

YagamiLi replied at 2015-2-27 17:18
pet update was awesome, what are you talking about?

yeh that update make things a lot better bro

..........................................................ok no

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-27 21:49:25

ermmmm i wonder who hav both CSB Aizen n Ultima Aizen so can do a comparison...

otherwise its all base on stats... n theory...

author: adventurethis time: 2015-2-28 02:19:45

Ultimate Aizen is better, if you cannot see why I have some bad news for you: you're an idiot.

Ultimate Aizen's special void/restriction/chaos is 100% chance. CSB Aizen has a chance to do nothing except damage

author: 595459354 time: 2015-2-28 04:37:42

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-2-28 00:13
you can get them both even if you are F2P

You cannot get them both for free,

Swp Ultimate aizen requires VIP6

author: opbut1 time: 2015-2-28 07:25:13

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-2-27 17:13
you can get them both even if you are F2P

false HMA aizen need vip 1 XD

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 07:29:55

opbut1 replied at 2015-2-28 06:25
false HMA aizen need vip 1 XD

he means the upgraded version which is the butterfly aizen...

even nora ken needs vip 5...

so i am not surprise butterfly aizen needs vip 6...

i think they meant ultima aizen in final form...which is tht butterfly

author: ajoalex time: 2015-2-28 07:35:04

nieverland replied at 2015-2-28 05:15
yeh that update make things a lot better bro ............................................. ...

i like the pet thingy, only if we could cultivate 5 instead of 3, then it would fit the team properly. well as long as its free its fine

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author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 07:36:15

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-28 06:35
i like the pet thingy, only if we could cultivate 5 instead of 3, then it would fit the team prope ...

wow... so pro...

must be very high lvl...

author: ajoalex time: 2015-2-28 07:39:23

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-28 16:36
wow... so pro...

must be very high lvl...

thats a lvl 47 shinji,

a lvl 50 aaroniero gives this stat

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author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 07:40:46

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author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 07:42:08

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-28 06:39
thats a lvl 47 shinji,

a lvl 50 aaroniero gives this stat

woahhh... mine is all lvl 30+

maybe i spread it all up

author: ajoalex time: 2015-2-28 07:44:53

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 16:40

wow. grats .
what is his default lvl?

author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 07:48:48

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-28 06:44
wow. grats .
what is his default lvl?

110 already

battle report

http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

yes chaos attack onself OP char rather csb aizen, same black coffin cant imagine if upgrade 2 round almost like yamamoto fury restrict

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 07:52:24

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 06:48
110 already

battle report

gratz gratz

holy cow... ur SWP Aizen alrd so high lvl...

u must hav a lot of epic books to pump him up...

at wat lvl u got him in ?

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 08:00:40

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 06:48
110 already

battle report

tht battle report... ur opponent VG in even get to slash his own team ...

coz u kill him too fast...

hics...

author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 08:02:16

Edited by dezzed at 2015-2-28 07:03

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-28 06:52
gratz gratz

holy cow... ur SWP Aizen alrd so high lvl...

start already lvl 110 no need epic books, indeed yeah OP already try many match, with upgraded + mod works its imba char.
and suddenly aid rate! OPOPOP

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 08:08:24

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 07:02
start already lvl 110 no need epic books, indeed yeah OP already try many match, with upgraded + mo ...

OMFG...

damm lucky u... so SWP Aizen starts at lvl 110.... awesomeness...

CSB Aizen onli come in at lower lvl to begin wit...

but i wonder who is realli better...

author: ajoalex time: 2015-2-28 08:14:31

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 17:02
start already lvl 110 no need epic books, indeed yeah OP already try many match, with upgraded + mo ...

phew... thats a relief, cant wait to reach lvl 110(i hope thats when i can see his tokens in exchange shop)
thanks

author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 08:16:15

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-28 07:08
OMFG...

damm lucky u... so SWP Aizen starts at lvl 110.... awesomeness...

aizen SWP is better cant move, csb aizen is chance, all partner swp is good bcause its new release CN so much better than csb, lucky i only take csb ken really2 worth, and try again aid rate almost like 50% chance

without mod yes its lower than my gin but he skill was too OP funny see vanguard mirror and hit himself good animation.
@ajoalex should save ur token combine with shin ken upgraded 3 ppl in formation maybe enough lol

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 08:23:08

well ... nice 1 there...

yeah my CSB Ken is all by chance... sigh... dun realli rely on it anyway...

i ve got my Gin for assaulters... n Tav Aizen for Supporters... if i wanna stun stun stun ...

anyway now i am movin forward to get Nora Ken... n then onli SWP Aizen... or maybe both at the same time...

but i guess... i wont last tht long... 45 days left... then will decide to play or not...

author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 08:59:53

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-28 07:23
well ... nice 1 there...

yeah my CSB Ken is all by chance... sigh... dun realli rely on it anyway ...

if take both need 1 years before that mod already expired

author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 09:47:53

not work at hollow soul map but it works at trial

finish mod stage easily, havent test palace need 6 lvl to go 125 palace.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-28 09:49:30

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 08:47
not work at hollow soul map but it works at trial

finish mod stage easily, havent test palace ne ...

How much EXP do you make per day on ur current lvl with ryoka/ES/vitality? do you use any instance resets? gold revival on evil spirit?

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 09:55:47

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 08:47
not work at hollow soul map but it works at trial

finish mod stage easily, havent test palace ne ...

well... stuns dun werk on trial lvl 120... esp the last 2 ...

i ve tried stunnin them... but they r immune...

hics...

i ve yet to be lvl 125 too... so i dunno... maybe when i reach it i ll test it out...

but my CSB Aizen is doin not too bad i think... his dmg is good...

i dun rely him on stuns... thts y i ve got a back up stunner...

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-28 10:01:57

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-28 08:55
well... stuns dun werk on trial lvl 120... esp the last 2 ...

i ve tried stunnin them... but t ...

does he do a lot more than shinso gin? or its about the same damage?

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-2-28 10:05:53

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-28 09:01
does he do a lot more than shinso gin? or its about the same damage?

i cant answer u tht... bcoz i dun hav Shin Gin...

n its base on the lvl of the partner... n the stones... the treasures... jade n etc...

if all this r the same on Shin Gin n CSB Aizen... then onli we can know who hits harder...

otherwise its hard to gauge...

my stones n setups r different from others... others r way way stronger than me...

but havin CSB Aizen... is damm good vs 1 3 1 formation...

author: Curls88 time: 2015-2-28 10:37:19

dezzed replied at 2015-2-28 09:38
quite fast actually if u know the method.

I hope so

then i'll be 150 before server merge

author: dezzed time: 2015-2-28 10:38:27

Curls88 replied at 2015-2-28 08:49
How much EXP do you make per day on ur current lvl with ryoka/ES/vitality? do you use any instance ...

quite fast actually if u know the method.

author: nieverland time: 2015-2-28 10:52:14

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-28 06:39
thats a lvl 47 shinji,

a lvl 50 aaroniero gives this stat

lol that stats are meaningless IMO bro btw all my chibis are Shinjis i guess my bro only cultivate them sometimes once per day because they are 2 lv40, 1 lv39 and 2 lv33

author: ajoalex time: 2015-3-1 01:21:37

nieverland replied at 2015-2-28 19:52
lol that stats are meaningless IMO bro btw all my chibis are Shinjis i guess my bro only cultivate ...

meaningless? lol 1k speed makes the diff to a win/lose in csb for me. thanks to this chibi i can defeat the top 2 in csb and get the stones from the 2nd last lane now.

author: ajoalex time: 2015-3-1 01:26:55

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-28 19:05
i cant answer u tht... bcoz i dun hav Shin Gin...

n its base on the lvl of the partner... n th ...

how many 1-3-1 players are there in say top 10 arena of your server?

author: nieverland time: 2015-3-1 03:40:13

ajoalex replied at 2015-3-1 00:21
meaningless? lol 1k speed makes the diff to a win/lose in csb for me. thanks to this chibi i can d ...

nah arent much actualy, and the diference between your lv47 Shinji and 3 of my lv40 is only 90 wich is meaningless to be 7 more lv

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-3-1 05:56:31

ajoalex replied at 2015-3-1 00:26
how many 1-3-1 players are there in say top 10 arena of your server?

ermmmm i din count...

maybe bcoz i am too weak... n dun care much...

just let them rape my ass...

xixixixi

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-1 06:02:44

PAOFUI replied at 2015-3-1 04:56
ermmmm i din count...

maybe bcoz i am too weak... n dun care much...

xD no wonder why ur so patient

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-3-1 06:08:18

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-1 05:02
xD no wonder why ur so patient

sssshhhhhhh.... dun burst my bubble pls...

but my patience onli last for 45 days...

then i can choose to quit the scene...

after i ve completed my last GOAL...

author: [email protected] time: 2015-3-4 00:01:08

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