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author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 09:22:33 Title: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Edited by Curls88 at 2015-3-14 10:16

I believe some players are capable of countering my future formation, but I still don't know how to beat it myself

Players who might come up with a formation to counter this is
Brahmastra
PAOFUI
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BurakCinar
YagamiLi

Formation is
1- D. Ichigo
2- Main
3- Mugetsu
4- CSB Aizen
5- Ultima Aizen

All partners with t1 fury if not higher
Zanpakuto : Tensa Zangetsu

before you post your reply with countering this, keep in mind that both CSB Aizen + Ultima Aizen will move first and ofcourse the zanpakuto skill

EDIT: 4- changed to Shinso Gin

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 10:04:38

well it would be nice to tell what mods are they too to make an exact counter plan

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 10:06:07

an the type of the main too ghost , kido or spirit

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 10:06:31

Probably shin gin if the opp has tensa and if gin stuns or any future partners who stuns support ..... as i said no one yet knows ultima aizens ability for sure cause it says 'increase certain agility by certain percent' which means other partners like mugetsu and white ichi could be faster with senbon than ultima aizen with tensa......and shin gin is faster than csb aizen .... shin gin is probably better than aizen cause his speed is much higher and both have very low stun rate..... as for the formation i'm not sure but if Ultima isnt faster than Mugetsu and white ichi then the team you mentioned will get ripped apart by
1.Mugetsu
2.W. Ichi
3. Main 5th skill( cause D. ichi wont get 1 shot and this skill will keep him from regening HP)
4. Shin Gin
5. D. Ichi

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:13:26

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 09:04
well it would be nice to tell what mods are they too to make an exact counter plan

Well, Lets say with max mods for both this formation and the one that could counter it

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 10:15:16

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:18
are you sure shin gin is faster than csb aizen? I can see CSB aizen growth rate is much higher tha ...

yeah you're right just wait some time i am putting all possibilities to make a good counter team only need some time to finish it

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:18:31

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 09:06
Probably shin gin if the opp has tensa and if gin stuns or any future partners who stuns support ... ...

are you sure shin gin is faster than csb aizen? I can see CSB aizen growth rate is much higher than shinso gin

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:20:14

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 09:06
Probably shin gin if the opp has tensa and if gin stuns or any future partners who stuns support ... ...

and yes if ultima aizen isnt the fastest.. I wouldn't post this formation.. I would go with 1-3-1 formation and senbon.. but everyone saying ultima is the fastest.. espcially with tensa which gives more speed to supporters than senbon to assaulters

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:21:08

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 09:15
yeah you're right just wait some time i am putting all possibilities to make a good counter team o ...

take your time xD

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:22:42

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 09:06
an the type of the main too ghost , kido or spirit

Main is ghost blade

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 10:27:59 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:18
are you sure shin gin is faster than csb aizen? I can see CSB aizen growth rate is much higher tha ...

Yes i'm sure Shin Gin talent 'increase 45% agility' CSB Aizen talent 'increase 30% agility' ..... 15% is a huge difference .....

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 10:28:13

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:22
Main is ghost blade

Comparing teams that can trade blows or die in one round?

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 10:31:03 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:20
and yes if ultima aizen isnt the fastest.. I wouldn't post this formation.. I would go with 1-3-1 ...

might i ask how everyone knows that ultima aizen is fastest when his talent isnt clear and no one has him yet even in CN ? -.-

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:32:31

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 09:31
might i ask how everyone knows that ultima aizen is fastest when his talent isnt clear and no one ...

Well.. lets ignore ultima

who is faster CSB Aizen with tensa or mugetsu/white ichigo with senbon?

and why is shinso gin faster than csb aizen when csb aizen has much higher growth rate than shinso gin?? with agility talent and mods with speed??

CSB Aizen growth rate is 4.5 for agi with mods 10% speed
Shinso Gin growth rate is 3.8 for agi with mods 10% speed and 10% own kido speed, idk what is that.. but lets say 20% speed..

Will that beat the 4.5 agi growth rate and 10% speed?

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 10:39:02 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:32
Well.. lets ignore ultima

who is faster CSB Aizen with tensa or mugetsu/white ichigo with senbon?

Yes it will ..... His growth rates are maybe high but it certainly isnt enough to cover 15% to agility (assuming both have the same things) and as for the mod, ally kido 10% speed means after that mod all the kido type characters in your team will have their speed increased by 10%.....

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:40:19

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 09:27
Yes i'm sure Shin Gin talent 'increase 45% agility' CSB Aizen talent 'increase 30% agility' ..... ...

the talent for shinso gin is the same like aizen both says Increase agility by a higher percent.. where is the proof of 45% vs 30%?

author: Leitzur time: 2015-3-14 10:40:56

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 22:32
Well.. lets ignore ultima

who is faster CSB Aizen with tensa or mugetsu/white ichigo with senbon?

shinso gin 10% own kido speed means

he adds all kido-type partner's speed (in your team) by 10%

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 10:44:11 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:40
the talent for shinso gin is the same like aizen both says Increase agility by a higher percent.. ...

If you dont believe me check Azrials guide or ask someone

And yes Mugetsu and White Ichi MIGHT be faster with senbon than CSB Aizen with tensa ..... btw how much speed does Tensa add to Support and how much speed does Senbon add to assaulter :/

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 10:46:08

The formation I would run to counter this would be.

Zanpakuto: Muramasa (since know the buff from mura attack skill)
1: Shin Gin (Fury to other two support (not sure if can gain fury with while under fury restriction though) + 10% innate speed buff to support + to enable mura speed buff)
2: Daig Tosh( Disarm (no partners immune to it yet would lock mugetsu and main before they acted)
3: Tavern Aizen (The oddball partner here but has highest chance of working vs Ultima Aizen since Ultima is Silence proof and Fury Reduction Proof)
4: Main (4th skill Demon Ichigo doesn't have an immune from stun mod)
5: VG can be a variety of choices depending on situation but best choices would be Noz Ken for this group or Rangiku depending on how start of fight goes.

Its not the perfect counter but would have a chance if both teams are equal in gear etc.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-3-14 10:46:10

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:40
the talent for shinso gin is the same like aizen both says Increase agility by a higher percent.. ...

in china it says in numbers i believe. hopefully they will change it over here too... or you have to check by urself by taking off EVERYTHING and compare one partner to another. azrials guide says shinso gin is 45% and csb aizen 30%

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 10:48:53

BurakCinar replied at 2015-3-14 10:46
in china it says in numbers i believe. hopefully they will change it over here too... or you have t ...

We don't get exact same stats from CN either so it hard to base off CN stats.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:50:19

Leitzur replied at 2015-3-14 09:40
shinso gin 10% own kido speed means

he adds all kido-type partner's speed (in your team) by 10% ...

well that will be useless when he attack 2nd, since csb aizen + ultima aizen will be cced after the 1st round from the opponents.. so i dont need them after 1st round.. so the 10% increase speed is completely useless

It only matters who is faster and deals more damage from the start.. for damage its obviously CSB Aizen

but for speed.. who is it?

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 10:50:55

ok done mine will post it in details

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:50:59

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:28
Comparing teams that can trade blows or die in one round?

Exactly

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:52:42

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:46
The formation I would run to counter this would be.

Zanpakuto: Muramasa (since know the buff from m ...

Damn a 1-1-3 formation xD

thats like the last formation I would think of

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:54:52

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:46
The formation I would run to counter this would be.

Zanpakuto: Muramasa (since know the buff from m ...

but I think both Daig tosh and tav aizen will die from ultima+csb aizen first attack ..

I don't think their survivability is really that good vs op partners but idk

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 10:55:11

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:52
Damn a 1-1-3 formation xD

thats like the last formation I would think of

Since you running Tensa on that formation Mugestu should be slower than Daig Tosh and CSB Aizen is really random on stuns so using the support line I have in back has a higher chance to lock you down if teams are capable of trading blows.

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 10:56:16

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:54
but I think both Daig tosh and tav aizen will die from ultima+csb aizen first attack ..

I don't t ...

Daig Tosh can live through Aizen's attack even when he is weaker I know from personal experience ^^.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 10:58:45

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:56
Daig Tosh can live through Aizen's attack even when he is weaker I know from personal experience ^ ...

from 2 aizens? remember csb aizen + ultima will attack first.. thats really insane dmg.. xD

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 10:59:34

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 10:54
but I think both Daig tosh and tav aizen will die from ultima+csb aizen first attack ..

I don't t ...

Plus your Ultima and CSB going to be slower till we know what Tensa after attack buff is.

Shinso will act first which procs Mura's buff which combined with shinso's mod gives your support 28% speed boost.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:00:10

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:56
Daig Tosh can live through Aizen's attack even when he is weaker I know from personal experience ^ ...

and tensa will do some nice dmg too xD

it's an op zanpakuto. we still don't know what kind of skill it has.. but I think it will be an op one for pvp

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:01:35

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:59
Plus your Ultima and CSB going to be slower till we know what Tensa after attack buff is.

Shinso w ...

you know tensa skill ?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 11:02:11

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:00
and tensa will do some nice dmg too xD

it's an op zanpakuto. we still don't know what kind of sk ...

Yeah Tensa will but it really depends on the buffs it gives out if its not speed to support your going to risk going slower since your not running shinso in that formation Mura + Shin Gin will be faster enable the proc from Mura (18% speed to support)

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-3-14 11:02:34

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:03
but muramsa wont give speed from start..

I mean you will get that buff only after muramsa attack ...

first round yes, probably not on 2nd... depending on tensas buffs after skill ofc which nobody knows

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 11:03:39

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:01
you know tensa skill ?

Hasn't been released yet so unsure what part of team it buffs or stats it enhances besides the base ones they show.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:03:59

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 09:59
Plus your Ultima and CSB going to be slower till we know what Tensa after attack buff is.

Shinso w ...

but muramsa wont give speed from start..

I mean you will get that buff only after muramsa attacks? and we both know that tensa is faster than muramsa

so that means csb aizen + ultima will still attack first?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 11:04:21

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:03
but muramsa wont give speed from start..

I mean you will get that buff only after muramsa attack ...

Your only counting the base stats of tensa vs base of mura not the whole team your team is actually running slower since you lack Shinso.

Mura + Shinso = 31% speed buff (to base stats of kido support) then additional 18% after Shin goes vs Tensa starting speed buff.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:06:27

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 10:03
Hasn't been released yet so unsure what part of team it buffs or stats it enhances besides the bas ...

so basically your team can win if they survived the first 2 attacks from csb aizen+ultima aizen without toshiro dying?

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:07:22

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 09:50
ok done mine will post it in details

what is it?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 11:11:00

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:13
I see, so Shinso gin is better than CSB Aizen to make my supporter faster from first attack

So if ...

yeah it is because of the last mod[attach]5180[/attach]

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 11:13:07

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:13
I see, so Shinso gin is better than CSB Aizen to make my supporter faster from first attack

So if ...

But there to counters to all formations if you have the partners lol really situational if everything is modded and equal. There is no perfect unbeatable team in my own opinion.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:13:42

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 10:04
Your only counting the base stats of tensa vs base of mura not the whole team your team is actuall ...

I see, so Shinso gin is better than CSB Aizen to make my supporter faster from first attack

So if I go with shinso gin + ultima aizen.. I will attack faster?

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:32:44

I hope someone with senbon zanpakuto can come up with a counter to this formation

author: King_Akaba time: 2015-3-14 11:47:48

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:32
I hope someone with senbon zanpakuto can come up with a counter to this formation

1-3-1
senbon
demon ichi
white zangetsu*, mugetsu/yama/2nd ulquiorra, main
2nd nel

*assuming he's faster then your supports and is Op enough to one shot them
the 2nd spot just depends on mugetsu's mods, if they aren't that great i'd probably go with ulquiorra just for the aoe.
nel just to spice things up. all lvl 12 dodge stones would make this an entertaining match imo
P.S. did this just for the lolz so don't take the formation seriously

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:53:47

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 09:44
If you dont believe me check Azrials guide or ask someone And yes Mugetsu and White Ichi MIGHT ...

senbon is 12% to assaulter as original.. 21% on hogyoku-kai
tensa is 15% to supporter as original .. don't know how much it is on hogyou-kai

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 11:54:42

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 09:44
If you dont believe me check Azrials guide or ask someone And yes Mugetsu and White Ichi MIGHT ...

but i'll be using shinso gin so its 10% higher.. that will beat mugetsu/white ichigo speed I guess?

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 11:55:06

first i recommend 1-1-3 since D. ichigo and mugetsu are included
van : nozarashi ken that random silence is OP specially if it damage supports and with 100 + fury it will be an endgame van

assaulter : main : spirit blade

supports : ultima aizen : his skill of chaos will end D. ichigo with ken and the fury restriction will stop CSB aizen and HMA aizen from skilling

gamuza nelliel : even she isn't an endgame character here skill if faster than mugetsu can make him not able to hit well specially if your supports have high dodge

shinso gin : well i will start first our shin gin is nerfed his talent is 30% not like CN 45% and if you have high lvl spirit forged accessories you can be able to stun CSB aizen

-stones of strength and dodge and block should be at least lvl 10 + on ken
-stones lvl 12(Strength , hit rate , critical ) on main to have luck to end enemy mugetsu
-lvl11+ on ultima and shinso ( lvl 12 agility if you can to have more speed and chance of extra round and second important is critical to have more chance of stun ) and wisdom of course

_ hogu lvl 7-8 strength for ken and stamina

_ hogu lvl 8 of agility , strength and stamina on main

_ lvl 8 hogu for agility and wisdom for supports

and inferno gear for supports and assaulters and guardian for ken

*god gear accessories for main and shinso and ultima

* lvl 120 spirit forged accessories for ken

and never forget hogyokus and hollow soul map

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 11:56:31

and zan : muramasa or tensa ( ruuiro jakka when it will be available )

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 11:58:21

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 11:55
first i recommend 1-1-3 since D. ichigo and mugetsu are included
van : nozarashi ken that random si ...

Ultima Aizen is immune to fury restriction / silence once modded (but swp mods are broken lol)

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 11:58:32 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 11:56
and zan : muramasa or tensa ( ruuiro jakka when it will be available )

Where exactly does it say that our shin gin is nerfed and his talent is 30% agi increase ? and Tensa ain't even released yet and your thinking about ryujin jakka ......

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:03:55

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 10:58
Ultima Aizen is immune to fury restriction / silence once modded (but swp mods are broken lol)

Who is faster tensa or muramsa?

you said muramsa skill gives speed or what exactly?

from base stats, tensa is 15% while muramsa is 12%

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 12:05:15 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 11:13
But there to counters to all formations if you have the partners lol really situational if everyth ...

Agreed.....every single formation is counterable no matter how good they are .....

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 12:05:26

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 11:58
Ultima Aizen is immune to fury restriction / silence once modded (but swp mods are broken lol)

yeah i know and it's isn't fixed in CN till now that's why i putted this formation

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 12:05:50

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:58
Where exactly does it say that our shin gin is nerfed and his talent is 30% agi increase ? and Ten ...

well someone who have it said it to me he have tried it

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 12:07:28

and well i don't know yama-ji's skill so couldn't include him

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:09:38

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 11:10
in fact when muramasa skill he gives more than tensa but basiclly tensa give more

ok, so tensa will attack first only in 1st round

how much speed does muramsa gives when he use skill and to whom? only supporters?

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 12:10:29

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:03
Who is faster tensa or muramsa?

you said muramsa skill gives speed or what exactly?

in fact when muramasa skill he gives more than tensa but basiclly tensa give more

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 12:13:53 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 12:05
well someone who have it said it to me he have tried it

Thats why i don't have any friends -.- people say something which they arent even sure of .....let us assume that our shin gin is nerfed and the person that told you that tried to find it out actually did ..... but how did he find out that shin gin's talent it '30%' .... it doesnt show anywhere...... atleast try to be sure before saying ..... cause these misconceptions can lead to a fight....speaking from experience bro......

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 12:14:40 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 11:54
but i'll be using shinso gin so its 10% higher.. that will beat mugetsu/white ichigo speed I guess ...

If Tensa gives speed buff after skill then probably yes

.....but what Elisia said is true every single formation is countrable

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:17:00

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:14
If Tensa gives speed buff after skill then probably yes .....but what Elisia said is true every ...

tensa is 15% speed + with shinso is 25% speed
senbon is 12% speed

so why do I need tensa buff to be faster?
isnt 25% speed higher than 12%?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 12:20:44

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-3-14 12:22

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:09
ok, so tensa will attack first only in 1st round

how much speed does muramsa gives when he use s ...

If group is lacking Shinso bonus will be lower orginally just because of mod.

15% for tensa vs 12% from mura + 10% from shinso (22% orginal form max is 31%) then mura gives a speed buff to support for an additional 18% speed. (It is basicially Zangetsu for supporters for buffs but at 130% for rei bonus)

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:23:14

Edited by Curls88 at 2015-3-14 11:28

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 11:20
If group is lacking Shinso bonus will be lower orginally just because of mod.

15% for tensa vs 12% ...

Ok lets say both are original cuz i dont know what is tensa hogyo-kai speed exactly so

what you're saying is

Muramsa + shinso gin + muramsa buff (after 1st round) = 12% + 10%= 22% speed in first round + 18% = 40% speed in 2nd round

Tensa + shinso gin = 15% + 10% = 25% speed

right?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 12:27:51

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:23
Ok lets say both are original cuz i dont know what is tensa hogyo-kai speed exactly so

what you're ...

To get the additional 18% speed from mura in 1st round just need to have the highest speed (since buff does apply to first round if you go first) but yeah your starting speed is 3% slower then tensa + shinso if running that but your original group had csb aizen + hma aizen and was missing shinso.

author: Audis3000 time: 2015-3-14 12:28:57

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 12:13
Thats why i don't have any friends -.- people say something which they arent even sure of .....let ...

so easy maths

he uses a normal character with no + agility talent and put hogus or boots ( same boots or hogu ) on him
then put it on shinso and calculate the + %

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 12:32:26 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:23
Ok lets say both are original cuz i dont know what is tensa hogyo-kai speed exactly so

what you're ...

Yep Tensa is basically an allrounder PVP Zan

if you think like that Tensa Shin Gin be will faster than anything i guess ......but don't know for sure cause they might bring other zans and partners....

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 12:33:57 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 12:28
so easy maths

he uses a normal character with no agility talent and put hogus or boots ( same ...

That made no sense ..... CSB aizens growth rates are much higher but some people has both shin gin and CSB Aizen then how come they say that with same everything shin gin is still faster?.... if he really did find out then Aizen should be the faster one due to their same talent and Aizens higher growth rates ......I guess curls will find out after getting CSB aizen.....

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-3-14 12:34:36

Hmm interesting I actually forgot about ShinGins speed mod. This does change a lot..
Assuming we're using the same stones and hogu's I go with this formation:

Not sure who's faster, Gin or HMA Aizen. If Gin is faster he goes on top for more damage.

1. T1 HMA Aizen - Stop assaulters from attacking and deal some damage to the VG.
2. T1 ShinGin - Speed buff, extra fury for more damage and deals damage to support.
3. Main - 10th skill to try and kill the enemy support.

Enemy support should be dead by now or close to dying.

4. Tavern Aizen - Counter for the vanguard, reducing fury and possible stun. (not sure what Dichigos mods are)
5. Vanguard or Assaulter.

Anyway I probably missed something but this was the first that came to mind. I might post a serious one later..

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:34:59

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 11:27
To get the additional 18% speed from mura in 1st round just need to have the highest speed (since ...

yes but I changed it.. so muramsa buff doesn't work if u go 2nd ?

which will make tensa win?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 12:36:57

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:34
yes but I changed it.. so muramsa buff doesn't work if u go 2nd ?

which will make tensa win?

Tensa would go first in that situation so battle would go

Tensa attacks + buffs (unknown)
Shinso Gin Attacks (Tensa Team)
then
Mura attacks + buffs (18% speed + attack to support forgot exact % on attack)
Shinso Gin Attacks (Mura Team)
then if they running same partners as your for support theirs would go first due to the speed buff unless Tensa has a speed buff but going on known stats atm that would be outcome.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:37:40

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:32
Yep Tensa is basically an allrounder PVP Zan if you think like that Tensa Shin Gin be will fast ...

Yeah.. at least I got a worthy partner for pvp (shinso gin) xD

I don't know what i'm going to do with the challenge stones.. maybe just get them for fun

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 12:39:59 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:37
Yeah.. at least I got a worthy partner for pvp (shinso gin) xD

I don't know what i'm going to do ...

Since you got shin gin i and S. Yoru i would suggest going for Shura Ken

Supp: Shin gin and Dark rukia
Ass: Main 8th skill, S. Yoru and Shura ken
Zan: Sogyo
^this is one of the best formations for pve .... try it if you can and see if your damage increases

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:48:19

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:33
That made no sense ..... CSB aizens growth rates are much higher but some people has both shin gin ...

now you are making me confused xD

if csb aizen is faster then I don't need shinso gin
ultima aizen will be 10% slower but thats ok as long as csb aizen attack first

csb aizen does alot more dmg than shinso gin which will make him really effective in the first attack

so if csb aizen can beat muramsa speed and doesn't let him to buff

I won't be needing shinso gin

but i still dont know.. Eilisa knows better

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-3-14 12:49:03

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 09:37
Yeah.. at least I got a worthy partner for pvp (shinso gin) xD

I don't know what i'm going to do ...

I don't know what the order of speed here is :/

or whether or not mods apply '-'

Tavern Aizen

Max modded unohana

White ichigo

Main - Destroy the world

Nozarashi kenpachi or starrk

Zanpaktou Hyonimaru

V2

Max modded unohana

white ichigo/CSB byakuya/Murcilago ulquiorra/ or CSB kenpachi to not worry for the VG

isshin

Main w/ 2nd skill

Hollow ichigo

Zanpaktou - senbonzakura

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:49:41

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:39
Since you got shin gin i and S. Yoru i would suggest going for Shura Ken
Supp: Shin gin and Da ...

senbon is much better .. much higher reaistu and dmg

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:51:14

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:39
Since you got shin gin i and S. Yoru i would suggest going for Shura Ken
Supp: Shin gin and Da ...

I still don't know .. CSB Aizen might be the fastest supporter.. judging from his growth rate..

I don't know how the growth rate really works

4.5 vs 3.8

how can I tell that in %?

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 12:55:30

Anyone is experience with growth rates?

I don't know how they work

care to explain for a newbie?

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 13:02:35 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:51
I still don't know .. CSB Aizen might be the fastest supporter.. judging from his growth rate..

...

Nope bro Shin Gin is the fastest support for us atm

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 13:06:36 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Edited by UnKnOwNHoLlOw at 2015-3-14 13:11

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:49
senbon is much better .. much higher reaistu and dmg

Try to use the formation i mentioned if you can ..... I think it will be much better than the other pve formations ......with this your all partners will skill every round.....

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:16:35

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 12:06
Try to use the formation i mentioned if you can ..... I think it will be much better than the othe ...

Senbon gives attack, + higher reaistu

even tho it doesn't say that it gives attack.. but it really does..

Check this

http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

you will see I got attack for 3 rounds

and this is sogyo

http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

not to mention that the reaistu is much higher for senbon + more dmg for assaulters

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 13:17:09 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 13:16
Senbon gives attack, + higher reaistu

even tho it doesn't say that it gives attack.. but it reall ...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRdFunSr6Ns&itct=CDsQpDAYACITCPyuq626qMQCFYqYfgod9F0AilITYSBzaG9ja2luZyBjb21lYmFjaw%3D%3D&gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en
^check this out bro the fuck just happened XD

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:18:25

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 12:02
Nope bro Shin Gin is the fastest support for us atm

ok, do you know how the growth rates work?

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-3-14 13:19:40 Title: RE: PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 13:18
ok, do you know how the growth rates work?

I dont know for sure but i think the growth rates increases the stats by the % each time you lvl up :/

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-3-14 13:20:28

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 13:18
ok, do you know how the growth rates work?

uhm im not 100% sure but lets say csb aizen has 4.5 and gin 3.8, for every 100 aizen gains additional 45 + 30% and shin gin 38 + 45%... i think so atleast, not entirly sure but sounds the most logical = aizen 48,5 and shin gin = 52,1

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 13:26:54

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:48
now you are making me confused xD

if csb aizen is faster then I don't need shinso gin

The reason I don't value CSB aizen really high on this is what your trying to kill is supporters which tend to have high kido defense (stones are being set as equal for this same as hogus a typical fight you probably destroy a person's team with csb aizen but in this theory crafting idea we are looking at max potentials which means partners 90% counter block etc so critting and one shotting shouldn't happen first turn) If it was Mugestu or any high tier assaulter that targets support would be pretty much taken out but CSB Aizen just not hugely reliable on key stuns and his attack is going to be hitting a good defense.

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 13:29:30

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-3-14 13:36

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 13:17
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRdFunSr6Ns&itct=CDsQpDAYACITCPyuq626qMQCFYqYfgod9F0AilITYSBzaG9ja2luZyBjb21 ...

And that is why you use main 3rd skill vs Demon Ichigo

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:31:29

BurakCinar replied at 2015-3-14 12:20
uhm im not 100% sure but lets say csb aizen has 4.5 and gin 3.8, for every 100 aizen gains additio ...

I still don't get it, how did you come up with the 30% and 45% but ok lets pass with this part

2nd part, what is the 100 exactly?

how did you make this calculation?

It doesn't make any sense

if you mean 45 + 30% then its 45+30 = 75?

if you mean 45+ 30% of the 45 then its 45 + 13.5 = 58.5 for CSB Aizen

and

38 + 45 = 83?

38 + 17.1 = 55.1 for Shinso gin

I'm confused on how you got 48,5 and 52,1

and this whole calculation thing

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-3-14 13:33:22

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 10:29
And that is why you use main 4th skill vs Demon Ichigo

4th skill for what

that's anti stun

STOP BEING WRONG D:<

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:34:26

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 12:29
And that is why you use main 4th skill vs Demon Ichigo

Isn't demon ichigo immune to control/stuns ?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 13:36:35

YagamiLi replied at 2015-3-14 13:33
4th skill for what

that's anti stun

lol sorry meant 3rd skill didn't want to put Electro-optic Standpoint not sure what it is called on Kido main / Ghostblade

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:41:51

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 12:26
The reason I don't value CSB aizen really high on this is what your trying to kill is supporters w ...

thats true.. kido can't kill kido that fast.. same thing applies with ghost vs ghost.. but still toshiro is nasty for controlling but pretty weak in surviving imo.. if its not supporters who kill him .. D. ichigo can take him down or the zanpakto skill xD since ur team is only based on controlling.. it iwll take you much longer to take my formation down than it could take me

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 13:44:09

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-3-14 13:54

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 13:34
Isn't demon ichigo immune to control/stuns ?

Nope has no immunes to control

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author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:45:55

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 12:44
Nope has no immunes to control

ok are you sure toshiro skill applies to mugetsu?

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-3-14 13:47:44

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 10:36
lol sorry meant 3rd skill didn't want to put Electro-optic Standpoint not sure what it is called o ...

DOESN'T MEAN ITS GOING TO WORK ALL THE TIME

IMMUNE RATE + ANTI CONTROL FROM ACCESSORIES

U WANT TO KILL IT?? CSB KEN AND BLOCK ON UR PARTNERS

MAYBE MAIN WITH 2ND SKILL

GET ALL THAT DEBUFF ACTION GOING ON THERE

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 13:55:24

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-3-14 14:55

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 13:41
thats true.. kido can't kill kido that fast.. same thing applies with ghost vs ghost.. but still to ...

Since basing everything off max stats just for this expecting each team able to take a few hits and yes your team is higher growth rates but if everything is controlled doesn't matter of capable dmg it just matters what can attack.

If your able to disable the team and win in 10 rounds make it no different if you win in 1 round granted winning in 10 isn't as flashy as 1 but a win is a win

author: Eilisa time: 2015-3-14 13:57:15

YagamiLi replied at 2015-3-14 13:47
DOESN'T MEAN ITS GOING TO WORK ALL THE TIME

IMMUNE RATE + ANTI CONTROL FROM ACCESSORIES

That is why you run Noz Ken :x 3rd skill is just assurance and fossilize is 100% and 2 rounds with Noz so takes Demon out of the picture completely.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-3-14 13:57:31

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 13:31
I still don't get it, how did you come up with the 30% and 45% but ok lets pass with this part

2n ...

When i get home from work ill tell you in details... Curls cmon!! Dont top up before u've learned the game xD
Naw just kidding, anyways brb 4-5hours

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 13:59:01

BurakCinar replied at 2015-3-14 12:57
When i get home from work ill tell you in details... Curls cmon!! Dont top up before u've learned ...

I didn't even know anything about this game when I topped up

I tried it for 3 days.. on the 4th day I decided to top up to vip 4 and I was like, It's time to skip all the battles and lvl up to the max level in 1 month xD

author: PAOFUI time: 2015-3-14 14:06:51

same lvl stones , hogu , jades , pets , rei lvl for the opponent ?

if it isnt... then its not tht hard to break...

just got to know ur opponent stats... like ur stats... n try to counter it...

wit partners... skills.... formations... n etc...

author: Curls88 time: 2015-3-14 14:14:22

PAOFUI replied at 2015-3-14 13:06
same lvl stones , hogu , jades , pets , rei lvl for the opponent ?

if it isnt... then its not th ...

everything is the same except for formation

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-3-14 14:17:53

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 10:57
That is why you run Noz Ken :x 3rd skill is just assurance and fossilize is 100% and 2 rounds with ...

i know someone... someone thats gonna get noz ken in afew weeks ........

someone

that someone is close to me

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