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Title: Best ways to utilize Isshin [Print this page]

author: 595459354 time: 2015-4-21 18:06:34

I would say: Shinso, ishiin, main, csb byakuya, VG (that's if you're using 9th skill)

author: watman time: 2015-4-21 18:07:50 Title: Best ways to utilize Isshin

So, since a number of us have him now, what is your opinion / strategy that makes best use of Isshin?

During Ryoka today:

My speed setup: Shinso -> Isshin -> CSB Byakuya -> Main -> Stark

Zabimaru Zanpaktou
Main w/ 8th Skill, Level 18
Shinso -> Isshin -> CSB Byakuya -> Isshin -> Main -> CSB Byakuya -> Main -> Stark
#=> 43 ~ 46m dmg

Zabimaru Zanpaktou
Main w/ 9th Skill, Level 19
Shinso -> Isshin -> CSB Byakuya -> Isshin -> Main -> CSB Byakuya -> Main -> Starrk
#=> 48 ~ 52m dmg

That extra 15% dmg from Main's skill stacks with Zabimaru, and it seems to be dealing more damage than a 100% combo

Tomorrow I'm going to try to change my attack speeds to :
Shinso -> Isshin -> Main -> CSB Byakuya -> Starrk

I'm thinking that by having my Main go 2nd w/ 9th will apply the 15% buff, and result in a higher damage output

What ways are you best utilizing your Isshin?

author: LadyKyojin time: 2015-4-21 18:30:57

aslong as isshin t1 first its done deal bro lol

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-21 19:39:04

do your assaulters start first round with skill attacks?

author: watman time: 2015-4-21 23:09:27

Edited by watman at 2015-4-21 23:29

ajoalex replied at 2015-4-21 19:39
do your assaulters start first round with skill attacks?

Yeah, Shinso T1 into everyone T1
Here's what my attack formation is like now: http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... 37529326&aid=58&t=1
Uchida Tomoya's VG is ridiculously tanky, lol

Whoever recommended CSB Shura Kenpachi was right; I'll definitely have more damage with Shura Ken.
I do like having an all-attack partner like CSB Byakuya helps a lot in PvP to clean up the stragglers (supports)
I'll post a battle report of a guild mate who has Isshin and is picking up CSB Kenpachi tmr

I think I'll replace CSB Byakuya with Yamaji if he shows up cheap. Leaning toward the free Resurreccion Ulquiorra as well, since Burn DOTs ignore defense

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-21 23:45:26

watman replied at 2015-4-22 08:09
Yeah, Shinso T1 into everyone T1
Here's what my attack formation is like now: http://logineu.gogam ...

why don't you place ur csb.bya ahead of isshin in formation? is it because csb.bya combo is for one round and isshin is for 2?

so if isshin goes first, then csb.bya(extra turn), then main(Extra turn), then isshin (Extra turn),
then when csb.bya goes next, main would get the extra turn from csb.bya too right?

author: watman time: 2015-4-22 00:20:52

I've tried

Speeds
Isshin -> CSB Bya -> Main

Here's what happens: http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1
Shinso -> Isshin -> Bya -> Isshin -> Main -> Bya -> Main -> Starrk

They don't go three times =/

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-22 00:22:53

PvE

Zanpakuto: Senbonzakura

Partners: Shinso Gin/Isshin/Main/Sexy Yoruichi/Cute Orihime, Skill 2. All but 2 partners have max infused cyclone weapons, other 2 are at 15 and 5. Pushing over 44mil on spirits so far, hoping max infused will add a few more million at least.

PvP

Zanpakuto: Senbonzakura

Partners: T1 Isshin/Shinso Gin/Yamamoto/Main/Demon Ichigo, Skill 10.

author: watman time: 2015-4-22 00:25:38

Edited by watman at 2015-4-22 00:27

Aquivix replied at 2015-4-22 00:22
PvE

Zanpakuto: Senbonzakura

44m per hit on Evil Spirits??
That's a lotta' dmg
Good pick on Skill 2, since Senbon & 9th don't stack

Q: Is it better then, to use skill 2 for Ryoka, or skill 9?
>> Does a 30% defense reduction equate to +30% damage for all partners? Haha

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-22 00:38:12

watman replied at 2015-4-22 06:25
44m per hit on Evil Spirits??
That's a lotta' dmg
Good pick on Skill 2, since Senbon & 9th don't st ...

Since stuff doesn't stack, I found Skill 2 to be the most efficient overall with my setup. Was testing 5 last night and it just wasn't enough. Heck, even 8 did more than 5 since it allowed Sexy Yoruichi to attack a third time in the turn ;). I'll have to do more testing to confirm your answer. I noticed a large difference in damage for everyone though so it sounds about right to me.

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-22 00:48:00

watman replied at 2015-4-22 09:20
I've tried

Speeds

hmmm. thanks for the diff scenarios. i will test them once i get him to lvl 100

author: watman time: 2015-4-22 01:28:28

t1 Isshin -> t1 CSB Bya -> t1 Main w/ 10th
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

t1 Isshin -> t1 Main -> CSB Bya
Took out CSB Byakuya's 1x14% 3x 12% fury stones
#=> Still t1, only 2 turns each
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

t1 Isshin -> Main w/ 8th -> CSB Byakuya
Took out CSB Byakuya & Main's fury stones
#=> Still t1, only 2 turns each
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

t1 Isshin -> t1 Main w/ 2nd, t1 CSB Bya
#=> Still only 2 turns each
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

Please post a battle report if you got Isshin to go 3x's in 1 round

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-22 02:03:51

watman replied at 2015-4-22 10:28
t1 Isshin -> t1 CSB Bya -> t1 Main w/ 10th
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=57987560062577 ...

how many fury stones do you have in total? maybe if isshin were to go t1, and then say use kisuke so that he gives fury at the end of first round but before isshin's last attack, then maybe he might get to skill again? just shooting in the dark

author: DeEmEn time: 2015-4-22 06:02:40

debuff works on ES? o.O

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-22 06:10:47

DeEmEn replied at 2015-4-22 12:02
debuff works on ES? o.O

No it doesn't.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-4-22 08:52:11

So it works on Ryoka?

author: DeEmEn time: 2015-4-22 10:35:39

Aquivix replied at 2015-4-22 06:10
No it doesn't.

then why pick skill 2?

author: Leitzur time: 2015-4-22 10:51:20

Edited by Leitzur at 2015-4-22 22:54

DeEmEn replied at 2015-4-22 22:35
then why pick skill 2?

maybe bcause 2nd skill have higher base growth rate

author: gr8nesh18 time: 2015-4-22 10:53:00

... with ur stats and partner only 43-46m ryoka? weird... u can hit till 110-120m ryoka if u know the trick

ES debuff only work def reduce and break def reduce(shura ken)

author: watman time: 2015-4-22 11:33:29

Leitzur replied at 2015-4-22 10:51
maybe bcause 2nd skill have higher base growth rate

Skill 2 base => 170%
Skill 5 base => 190%

Can someone confirm Skill 2 -30% def debuff works on Ryoka?
I'll try today.

This is why I love Shinso:
Even though Yagi's Isshin is faster, somehow I won:
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

author: watman time: 2015-4-23 23:45:22

As promised Isshin + Shura Kenpachi Battle Report:
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

I lowered my Isshin's speed so that I could watch what happens when Shura Kenpachi gets to attack.
And damn. That -75% break defense rate is crucial. When my Starrk attacked all, it got blocked by 4/5 of his partners

author: DeEmEn time: 2015-4-24 10:37:28

watman replied at 2015-4-22 11:33
Skill 2 base => 170%
Skill 5 base => 190%

I was thinking of the same thing, skill 5 has highest base damage, but only for your main, doesnt apply to other partners? I use skill 9 because it adds attack to assaulters while my zangetsu add damage.

I dont think any debuff works on ES and ryoka... Correct me if I am wrong.

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-26 01:54:40

tier 5, dafish did i just read? :O

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-26 02:10:06

DeEmEn replied at 2015-4-22 16:35
then why pick skill 2?

Because that debuff does work.

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