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author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 05:20:50 Title: gin 5v5 advice pls

Edited by BurakCinar at 2015-4-22 05:29

does anyone have any advice on how to beat gin 5v5?...

i beat the 1v1 kinda easily but the 5v5 was a complete massacre... the formation i run is: tavern gin, retsu unohana, csb aizen, main and starrk (hyorin)

(heres the battle report of the 1v1: http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... 44067850&aid=54&t=1)

retsu heals fairly well but gin + csb aizen does like 10 dmg to them and main like 30k while starrk does about 200k~ to all... should i swap csb aizen for tavern aizen? or maybe even take out gin for isshin? (assuming his skill works)... advice please!! (asking isshin part since he's still lvl 1, if the skill works ill lvl him up).

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-22 06:59:10

do all your partners attack first? or are there any slower than the opponents?

csb aizen, his stun chance is a chance that you can take since ur starrk finishes 1v1 easily, so if using him, you can keep on playing till he stuns atleast 3-4, if so how much are you losing the fight by?

if you don't want to use csb aizen, then just use a faster t.gin and t.aizen, till they stun the last two lane, its better since they reduce fury and that is not a chance. if so, how much are you losing the fight by?

and i am guessing your retsu is the slowest in ur team.

btw grats on 1v1, and also isshin. (i got him too though), but you wouldnt need him to finish the 5v5 since the formation looks fine, unless u r losing by a very high margin of hp

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 07:20:31

nope, their entire team is faster then mine... (i top 106k speed without reiatsu bonus) might have to move around few more stones dunno... but i can drop them to like 60%.. didnt record the battle sadly but will try to get a video soon.

and yes, im really in need to stun the backline (i tink it was one on the backline who hit all the supports) thats why i thought of using tavern aizen since his stun rate is much safer...

and yes, retsu has highest wisdom but slowest speed

and ty. the moment i beat 1v1 on first enemy.. jumped straight to gin 5v5 lol, rest was so easy xD
PS: do you know if isshin skill works in the 5v5 or not?

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-22 08:37:20

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 16:20
nope, their entire team is faster then mine... (i top 106k speed without reiatsu bonus) might have t ...

we are on the same boat, i too just got isshin, lvl 100 now, yet to test him, need a lvl 100 ulti weapon so waiting for uwl event. i havent done espada since i ever got to gin 1st battle 1v1(the last time we spoke about it ie), didnt get the time to swap around. and yes lazy and taking my own sweet time for it

and since u have all fast opponents, then retsu is a must in the team, that leaves to two support max.

so what i assume ur fight would be is that
-opp all 5 attacks ur VG, your VG is still alive
-your main does what, 7th skill or 10th skill?
-t.gin and t.aizen reduce assaulter and support opponent lanes fury for sure so they cant do skill next round
-starrk does his AOE
-retsu heals your main and VG but basically only VG is healed since only he got hurt

so basically in 2 rounds you are still alive, and in the 3rd round is when they get fury and since u dt have any fury ppl, you get killed i believe. so the first two rounds is your best shot. keep on using t.gin and t.aizen till they stun atleast both the support and one of the assaulter(wats the max you have stunned the enemy, 2-3?)

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 08:44:06

ajoalex replied at 2015-4-22 08:37
we are on the same boat, i too just got isshin, lvl 100 now, yet to test him, need a lvl 100 ulti ...

i survive for about 8rounds i believe. and ye i remember last time we spoke about it geez... u still slacking xD

but sadly they are immune to fury deduct ALL OF THEM so really gotta stun them or its basically over

and main i tend to use 2nd skill for the defence reduction (wasnt a big change with 10th anyways) but i think i know the problem...
its my break def on gin + aizen, they dont have enough so their VG/assaulter block it and one shot them... same loss 5 times in a row... :/ even tho it'd go 20 rounds doesnt look like i can beat him yet... not enough dmg i guess...

yes, as long as retsu + starrk is alive and atleast 1 of them is stunned, starrk wont go down for 20 rounds but cant afford gin/aizen to die or its over anyways lol... gahhhhh so much to think about

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 08:48:07

Eilisa replied at 2015-4-22 08:48
Few questions that way i can try to see where can adjust?

Does your main live through gin's attac ...

yes he survives but most of the time getting stunned :/

and retsus heal... hmm... starrk tend to have about 95% hp left after her + his skill

csb aizen is lvl 106 atm and he has fully infused lvl 100 regular set

hmm why urahara? and how much did your aizen really stun?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-4-22 08:48:31

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 07:20
nope, their entire team is faster then mine... (i top 106k speed without reiatsu bonus) might have t ...

Few questions that way i can try to see where can adjust?

Does your main live through gin's attack?

Is retsu overhealing?

CSB Aizen lvl and is he using spirit forged 100 acc?

I beat gin using retsu / tavern ura / csb aizen / main / starkk

author: Eilisa time: 2015-4-22 08:51:41

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-4-22 08:56

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 08:48
yes he survives but most of the time getting stunned :/

and retsus heal... hmm... starrk tend to ...

I used urahara to proc aizen's stun more often (more aoe dps and control since with ura you use his stun skill every other turn without having to rely on crits) and starrk's skill (going to lose a turn without it due to gin's fury steal my main didn't live past gin's attack) also the added fury raises retsu's heal so you can lower her wisdom and put more dps on aizen

author: Eilisa time: 2015-4-22 08:56:33

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-4-22 08:59

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 08:48
yes he survives but most of the time getting stunned :/

and retsus heal... hmm... starrk tend to ...

my aizen was lvl112 and him with stunning every other round i had about 60% of team stunned most of the time a few rounds would be only 1 stunned other rounds would have all 4 stunned but having his skill go off so often = more chances to stun the team.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 08:57:59

Eilisa replied at 2015-4-22 08:51
I used urahara to proc aizen's stun more often (more aoe dps and control since with ura you use his ...

do you recall how much dmg ur aizen had when u fought him? cuz i got plenty of lvl 9 wisdom stones...

author: Eilisa time: 2015-4-22 09:04:51

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 08:57
do you recall how much dmg ur aizen had when u fought him? cuz i got plenty of lvl 9 wisdom stones ...

think he was doing 50-60k on normal hits but i critted for 100kish and my crit rate on Aizen was about 85%
and his soul skill was about 130-140kish for dmg

author: Eilisa time: 2015-4-22 09:07:58

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 08:57
do you recall how much dmg ur aizen had when u fought him? cuz i got plenty of lvl 9 wisdom stones ...

My issue with Gin was killing the Vanguard he gets a huge defense boost if his fury skill goes off.

My issue for awhile was a dps one (why I ran ura for more dps).

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 09:24:00

Eilisa replied at 2015-4-22 09:07
My issue with Gin was killing the Vanguard he gets a huge defense boost if his fury skill goes off ...

so you are advicing me to take out gin for kisuke and stack lots of wisdom + crit on aizen?

author: Eilisa time: 2015-4-22 09:27:54

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-22 09:24
so you are advicing me to take out gin for kisuke and stack lots of wisdom + crit on aizen?

Yeah sounds like a dps issue / stun issue if starrk is living through damage and adding kisuke will increase your stun chances + dps
oh on a side note on all partners but retsu i think you need about 72% break defense to avoid getting blocked.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-22 09:34:07

Eilisa replied at 2015-4-22 09:27
Yeah sounds like a dps issue / stun issue if starrk is living through damage and adding kisuke will ...

ok im not to far away from getting that. guess i can relax a bit from hollwo soul map and work on those stuff.. thanks a lot for ur help, appreciate it!

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