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author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 11:13:20     Title: Kido characters that swing but do kido dmg? (DEV REPLY PLZ)

Is anyone else confused by how overpowered KIDO attacks are? and also why some people have KIDO attacks when clearly shouldnt be..
for example...
why is Momo and Rukia basic attack being buffed by wis and listed as KIDO? they are swinging with their swords... their only KIDO move should be their casts...
these 2 are nothing like Nanao or Inoue, which actually use KIDO attacks for their basic attack, therefore wis should effect both of theirs which it does...
i think they need to adjust characters that do a non-KIDO attack for their basic attack and list that basic attack as a different type of attack and be buffed by str not wis but then their actual spell will be buffed by wis and listed as KIDO type attack...

does anyone else agree on this? it's just common sense and basic... i think it should be fixed

can i get an opinion by one of the DEVs on this?

author: Frosuke    time: 2014-8-18 11:40:44

kido op yo
author: Shiba_Isshin    time: 2014-8-18 11:45:14

Really in the end it has nothing to do with what their attack animation is..

All Support characters use a Rune as it's weapon, all other partners (Assaulters/Vanguard) will use ghost/manic/spirit blades..

If you take it too literally.. you'll go mad with the inconsistencies of the game.. just suck it up, enjoy it, and buff your partners with wisdom stones to boost their kido defense..
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-8-18 12:01:52

This would make sense, except you forgot to take into account the fact that their weapon only boosts strategy attack and not physical attack. Plus the reason I use those 2 is because in the lvl50 recruit are they are the most attack oriented supporters, which helps me deal with strong physical defenders as they usually have much lower strategy defence. If you did what you say and take away their kido attack class it would weaken them as attackers.
What you are asking is for them to go back and change a large portion of the games coding.
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 12:14:16

no people use them because they are KIDO... and since only ONE item has KIDO defense... it makes KIDO type attacks do INSANE DAMAGE, considering on our server the people's Momo's are doing more dmg than their mains because of this... with their sword attack... lol
author: MisterMusashi    time: 2014-8-18 13:52:30

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 11:14
no people use them because they are KIDO... and since only ONE item has KIDO defense... it makes KID ...

But Kido users have possibly even worse physical defense (and health) than your strategy defense and are crazy squishy. In some cases they can die in 1-3 blocked attacks. Furthermore, many of their skills do less than 100% of their damage, so they are weaker in that regard. Physical and Strategy has nothing to do with the type of attack - it basically only means which defense is taken into account. Basic attacks and skills for the two types are calculated the same way. Also the ONE kido defense item has higher fortify/infuse growth.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-8-18 14:02:05

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 11:14
no people use them because they are KIDO... and since only ONE item has KIDO defense... it makes KID ...

Kido users don't scare me at all.
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 14:10:15

curious how a server 11, has an 82 when our server 4 doesnt even have an 80.. and our highest level tops up more than anyone probably in the game...
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-8-18 14:12:22

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 13:10
curious how a server 11, has an 82 when our server 4 doesnt even have an 80.. and our highest level  ...

He must not use his top up's wisely then. I'm Vip 9.

Nobody has spent more than the guy on S9 though at nearly 400k BP.
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 14:13:52

Edited by purebeast007 at 2014-8-18 14:15

he is nearly VIP 10... and probably already is... (our guy)

and how and where can u see these people's BP and levels from other servers without logging on them? is there a website database that is public?
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-8-18 14:14:40

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-8-18 13:17
MisterMusashi replied at 2014-8-18 12:52
But Kido users have possibly even worse physical defense (and health) than your strategy defense a ...

Basically how this game goes is.

Kido users should one shot Physical attack users and vice-versa.

Each stat gives respective defense, so a STR type would be taking less damage from STR, but more damage from KIDO.

And the other way around.

Kido users WIS and Ghost Blades use STR.

Wis gives strategy def and strategy damage

STR gives physical def and physical da.age

So each respective character has much higher of one stat, which means they are vulnerable to the other type of damage.

If you want your KIDO or Ghost blade to survive the opposing type of attacks, you also have to slot high ranking STR/WIS stones and not just focus on one type.
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 14:20:43

Edited by purebeast007 at 2014-8-18 14:24

o i kno what u mean and know all that information but im just saying... with the original post... there is no reason why a sword attack is doing KIDO damage.. when other characters are casting KIDO and they actual do KIDO dmg

a sword swing cannot do KIDO, just basic principle of Bleach lol... which is why certain characters should be hybrid... not full on KIDO...

Hydrid characters should consist of Rukia / Momo / etc...
Full KIDO characters should consist of Inoue / Nanao / etc...

because of what their attacks are... not basing it off of their actual weapon


AND also if you want to look deeper into the mix

looking at the 3 starting classes, the Quincy is BY FAR the weakest and the KIDO character seems to be the strongest from my experience considering i dueled a KIDO main with worse gear items runes and everything and his character hit mine for 10k more dmg (normal hit, no crit, no spell) than i hit him during a battle... how does that make any sense? (my char is the Quincy main)
author: AgentP    time: 2014-8-18 15:00:57

I don't think the basic attack really matters. It's essential purpose is to gain fury for your character. I wouldn't stress out about the graphics for each and every attack because they don't influence the basics which are they are in the kido class.  Rukia's and Momo's basic attacks may look strength based from the graphics, but that is a simple inconsistency of what their attacks really are, which are Kido.
No class is weaker/stronger than the other. Quincy are also strength based like the Shinigami. Quincy and Shinigami have no Kido defense just like how Kido have no strength defense. All 3 are very equal.
author: MisterMusashi    time: 2014-8-18 15:13:33

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 13:20
o i kno what u mean and know all that information but im just saying... with the original post... th ...

Quincy is IDENTICAL to Ghost Blade with the exception of which weapon they use - and they use the awkward, completely pointless weapon type.
Still, you're going completely outside of the realm of gameplay, and thinking way too realistically (within the context of the anime).

Itachi in the Naruto game uses the Kunai (Taijutsu) which is the equivalent of a Ghost Blade. He attacks with a fireball for his basic attack (which would be considered in the anime as Ninjutsu with Ninjutsu being the equivalent of Spirit Blade/Quincy) and his skill is Tsukuyomi, which is Genjutsu (Kido). None of his things fit together. The reason he is considered Taijutsu is because it is the extremely most common  weapon type for Assaulters and the only weapon type for Vanguards. It is for the convenience of the player rather than being excessively true to the anime. Meanwhile, all the Supports use Scrolls and are considered Genjutsu for the Strategy Attack damage type and Wisdom growth -- mixing things up or even hybridizing them for the sake of 'realism' would divide Jades/Spirit Stones and other equipment too much and weaken everyone and everything.
author: bangladesh3610    time: 2014-8-18 15:14:22

no its a copy of cn
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 15:19:31

Edited by purebeast007 at 2014-8-18 15:25
AgentP replied at 2014-8-18 15:00
I don't think the basic attack really matters. It's essential purpose is to gain fury for your chara ...

well when a Momo swings her sword on u from 4x the damage of her spell i think you will disagree heavily... (pretty much killing vanguard in 2 hits)
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 15:27:37

MisterMusashi replied at 2014-8-18 15:13
Quincy is IDENTICAL to Ghost Blade with the exception of which weapon they use - and they use the  ...

Quincy is not identical to anyone... at first i thought his advantage was he was the fastest of the main chars.. but then i soon realized that wasnt a fact, then i realized the sword guy and the mage, DID WAY more damage by far... with basic attack and spells.. so the Quincy is literally completely useless to play as in my opinion i honestly wish i could change to mage since they do the most dmg
author: Evild4nte    time: 2014-8-18 15:34:10

[email protected] replied at 2014-8-18 13:12
He must not use his top up's wisely then. I'm Vip 9.

Nobody has spent more than the guy on S9 th ...

I am sure there are people, who have spend more, since he has "only" level 7/8 spirit stones. Other high casher have lv 9/ 10 stones and T1 Fury on some chars, which alone is is nearly 3k $.
So i am sure he wouldnt beat all of this guys, just because he has 100k more battlepower.
author: MisterMusashi    time: 2014-8-18 15:35:06

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 14:27
Quincy is not identical to anyone... at first i thought his advantage was he was the fastest of th ...

Uhh... except that Ghost Blade (Shinigami) and Spirit Blade (Quincy), apart from the equippable weapon, ARE 100% IDENTICAL. You're probably factoring in different players' stats and skills which you absolutely CANNOT do in this context. You're still right about Quincy being pointless, though I already said that.
author: AgentP    time: 2014-8-18 15:47:57

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 14:19
well when a Momo swings her sword on u from 4x the damage of her spell i think you will disagree he ...

Momo is very similar to Karin from UN. Her basic hits can be very strong (with the right buildup) but her main attack is weaker than the basic because the purpose of her attack isn't to inflict damage; it's to stun. If her main attack were as strong as the basic, the assault line wouldn't last very long. My Momo is loaded on wisdom stones; that and agility. No strength because her attacks are purely Kido.
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 15:53:44

MisterMusashi replied at 2014-8-18 15:35
Uhh... except that Ghost Blade (Shinigami) and Spirit Blade (Quincy), apart from the equippable we ...

you do realize Quincy and Sword have 2 different attack types right? when you mouse over the characters in a battle it says what types of attack type they are...
author: purebeast007    time: 2014-8-18 15:55:15

AgentP replied at 2014-8-18 15:47
Momo is very similar to Karin from UN. Her basic hits can be very strong (with the right buildup)  ...

yea i kno .... but it just doesnt do justice when her SWORD attack is acting as if it's a KIDO attack type, same for the Mage main character...  they have an insane advantage due to the LACK of KIDO DEFENSE in the game
author: AgentP    time: 2014-8-18 16:00:49

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 14:55
yea i kno .... but it just doesnt do justice when her SWORD attack is acting as if it's a KIDO att ...

Like i said before, don't take the graphics too literally. Just because it shows her attacking with a sword doesn't mean that it is a strength based attack. Her class is Kido, so all her attacks - no matter how they appear - are Kido.
It has been confirmed that Kido main characters do have an advantage at the beginning of the game, but by the time people can recruit lvl 50 tavern partners (Momo) it shouldn't be so much an issue.
author: MisterMusashi    time: 2014-8-18 16:13:10

purebeast007 replied at 2014-8-18 14:53
you do realize Quincy and Sword have 2 different attack types right? when you mouse over the chara ...

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You can call a pancake a flapjack or even a hotcake or whatever, but it's still a pancake. Just because Ghost Blade and Spirit Blade have different names doesn't mean squat. They have the same stat progression, skill effects, and their damage type is physical. Everything they have is just renamed and given unique animations. Plus, look, ALL Vanguards are called "Manic Blade" as their "type" - doesn't change a thing about them (except for some possible theory I have, but completely guessing on it).
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-8-22 11:10:18

let me tell you this kido damage are not that great.. momo doesnt do damage with her atk assualter with 50% dmg rate.. well momo does hurt a lot if you put tons of wisdom and crit stone.
author: Chaotic123    time: 2014-8-22 12:56:59

GoGames doesn't even bother to take a look on the threads in payment bugs, do you think they will reply this thread?
author: Valkyriechild    time: 2014-8-24 19:15:36

At higher levels, what type of damage your characters do isn't as important, it's more your formation, secondary abilities and speed. And technically the typing of kido Main characters and the support is strategic damage, not magic/kido damage. And at the end of the day its a double edge sword, all kido characters are super weak to physical damage, and momo herself isn't that useful, her chances of control are quite low (especially against enemies with higher levels), and her dmg rate when using said skill is only 50%. The problems I face with strategic dmg teams, are the same as physical. The only thing I think would be cool is to actually have more strategic damage assaulters, and physical supporters.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-8-24 19:22:29

Valkyriechild replied at 2014-8-24 18:15
At higher levels, what type of damage your characters do isn't as important, it's more your formatio ...

Lies <3

We know you are OP and have no issues with nothing. ~_o
author: Valkyriechild    time: 2014-8-24 19:30:25

Says the almight sakai, the tyrant ruler of the 11th server. (he's not actually a tyrant.... if you're in his guild )
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-8-24 19:39:20

Valkyriechild replied at 2014-8-24 18:30
Says the almight sakai, the tyrant ruler of the 11th server. (he's not actually a tyrant.... if you' ...

You are just saying that to butter me up.



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