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author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-9 07:35:50 Title: Need more damage in PvE using 2-3-0

Hi. I'm using 2-3-0 formation and I need more damage in PvE =.= I do 7m per atttack in evil spirit. im lvl 83. 350k bp

PvE Formation:

Support: Jushiro , Rukia

Assaulters: Shin Grimmjow, Main, Isshin Kurosaki

i made my main attacks before isshin and shin grimmjow because of my 9th ability give them bonus ^^

anyway.. who should I recruit in tavern that could increase my PvE dmg?

btw the reason im using grimmjow because he gets fury back to full it works very well with Isshin combo's rate.

thinking to swap him with Zaraki Kenpachi when i hit 90 in 90s tavern

any suggestions what should I use right now? and swap who? and at lvl 90 what should be my full formation?

Lv80 Formation:

Support:? ? ? ? ?

Assaulters: ? ? ? ? ? ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lv90 Formation:

Support: ?? ? ??

Assaulters: ? ? ? ? ? ?

^I'd appreicate it if someone writes like this for both lvl 80 and 90

author: [email protected] time: 2015-7-9 08:03:56

let isshin attack before main , for combo , this will make you more damage and at lvl 90 replace shin grim by kenpachi and that is all i think cz no more buff stack ...

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-7-9 08:24:13

Get Urahara and Kenpachi (CSB or tavern) and you should be fine.

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-7-9 08:28:06

Lvl 80 - PVE- Support- Urahara, Rukia, Assaulter- Main, Isshin, Ikkaku ( Ikkaku is better than Tav ken)
lvl 90 - PVE- same
replace ikkaku with CSB Ken when you get him
and youre all set.....

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-7-9 08:37:53

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-7-9 08:28
Lvl 80 - PVE- Support- Urahara, Rukia, Assaulter- Main, Isshin, Ikkaku ( Ikkaku is better than Tav k ...

in fact yeah if you use 2 fury boosters ikkaku is better otherwise , ken is better with isshin

author: shadarlo time: 2015-7-9 09:05:52

I am unsure why people are saying Ken/Ikkaku are better than Grim. Even regular grimm should be doing more dmg than Ken/Ikkaku. At least for me he did. It was a pain having the other weapon type... but 100% bonus rage is hard to overlook. A fully modded ikkaku will do more dmg, but a brand new ikkaku or ken definitely won't. And Pant Grimm does more than either, even fully modded.

CSB Ken is a diff story as his ability to cause so many blocks is godlike for ES/Ryoka.

OP:

Definitely get Kisuke before you get anyone else, that will make the largest difference by a mile. Then get Rukia T1 through mods + weapon enchant + a few fury stones. Then get Kisuke T1 through similar methods.

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-9 11:21:09

eeyy someone got Ukitake

i'm telling you people he's a bamf

@shadarlo, you are so wrong, Shin Grimmjow is terrible, Ikkaku and Kenpachi are so much better

Pantera is better than them though, but Shin Grimmjow isn't

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-7-9 13:08:30 Title: RE: Need more damage in PvE using 2-3-0

shadarlo replied at 2015-7-9 09:05
I am unsure why people are saying Ken/Ikkaku are better than Grim. Even regular grimm should be doi ...

Sorry to tell you but Shin Grimm is nowhere near Ikkaku or Ken lol....

author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw time: 2015-7-9 13:09:36 Title: RE: Need more damage in PvE using 2-3-0

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-7-9 08:37
in fact yeah if you use 2 fury boosters ikkaku is better otherwise , ken is better with isshin

True but its better to use two fury boosters either way xD

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-9 14:28:41

Edited by LadyJessica at 2015-7-9 14:34

can someone explain to me what's Buff Stacking? I read they removed it but I don't know what is it?

like damage buff stacking? zabimaru and 9th ability for example? or what is it exactly?

and okayy after reading ur comments

i guess this is the best formation for pve ?
lv90
Support: Kisuke, Jushiro

Assaulters: Kenpachi, Main, Isshin

EDIT: wait one of u said Ikkaku is better than kenpachi, so what am I getting? Kenpachi or ikkaku? D;

EDIT2: are you sure I should let my Isshin attack before my main? will that makes me do more damage? (because someone told me main first for 9th ability) p.s all of my assaulters will attack twice either way

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-7-9 14:37:19

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 14:28
can someone explain to me what's Buff Stacking? I read they removed it but I don't know what is it? ...

Buff stacking is removed, it's just buffs on top of buffs instead of overwriting the original buff and increasing the timer.

Ikkaku vs Ken is just personal preference. Kenpachi does more damage. Ikkaku can get you a fury skill on every turn. Of course when you have Isshin things change you will pretty much skill every turn regardless.

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-9 15:46:14

thanks Brahmastra,

then would you get Kenpachi or Ikkaku with Isshin?

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-9 15:47:00

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 15:46
thanks Brahmastra,

Kenpachi

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-7-9 15:49:35

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 15:46
thanks Brahmastra,

Kenpachi, eventually switch to CSB Ken if possible.

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-9 18:48:38

thank you guys

and for the supports Rukia and Kisuke? or Kisuke and Jushiro?

and who attacks first them or assaulters? neeed max dmg c;

and isshin attacks before main or main before isshin?

author: grimmjowpantera time: 2015-7-9 19:00:39

i still say keep grimmjow to upgrade his release form pantera(panther) cuz i hear alot of people on my server he is great with the combo rate he can get. thanks to the evolution you can increase his combo rate. like for real. i got my tosen at 11% combo rate and damn. to good for me XD lol. but yeah. idk about the others but im just going to get soo renji and pantera grimmjow when i am able to get them both. along with maybe kisuke and 13th captain. i have a plan. soooo

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-9 19:01:29

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 18:48
thank you guys

and for the supports Rukia and Kisuke? or Kisuke and Jushiro?

as much as this is gonna kill me

Kisuke and Rukia are probably better than one of them and Ukitake

they attack first, and you want Isshin to attack first

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-9 19:30:51

Edited by LadyJessica at 2015-7-9 19:31

sirnibbles replied at 2015-7-9 19:01
as much as this is gonna kill me

Kisuke and Rukia are probably better than one of them and Ukitak ...

but.. but.. I thought you loved Ukitake.. = (

well.... ;l

so kisuke attacks first then rukia then isshin then main then kenpachi?

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-9 19:36:12

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 19:30
but.. but.. I thought you loved Ukitake.. = (

well.... ;l

i do love Ukitake, that's why it's so heartbreaking

i will always use Ukitake though

support order doesn't matter that much i don't think as long as they go first

but yeah you want your assaulter order to be Isshin, Main, Kenpachi

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-9 20:09:53

kk thanks..

so why do you use Ukitake?

and with who?

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-9 20:11:23

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 20:09
kk thanks..

so why do you use Ukitake? and with who?

i use Ukitake cuz

1: he's my 3rd favorite character

2: he is really good for pve
3: i don't feel like doing the janken to get Urahara

i use him with Rukia

i like the whole 13th division thing going on, along with Kenpachi and Ikkaku

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-10 07:46:39

Edited by LadyJessica at 2015-7-10 07:48

sirnibbles replied at 2015-7-9 20:11
i use Ukitake cuz

1: he's my 3rd favorite character

tbh im lazy to get him from tavern, urahara i mean

btw how can I make Isshin T1? >.< I have 12 fury stones

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-7-10 08:37:54

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-10 07:46
tbh im lazy to get him from tavern, urahara i mean

you can use green enchantment stone for physic skill + 4x lvl 8 stones + 2x lvl 7 stones for isshin to be t1 without any help from a fury booster

author: Monolith time: 2015-7-10 08:49:24

Edited by Monolith at 2015-7-10 08:50

Dont let Isshin attack before your main. Let him attack after your main, otherwise you will miss out on the 15% attack buff the 9th skill of your main appllies to your assaulter when Isshin attacks.Main ---> Isshin ---> whoever you pick as your thrid assaulter

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-10 10:03:47

Monolith replied at 2015-7-10 08:49
Dont let Isshin attack before your main. Let him attack after your main, otherwise you will miss out ...

wrong

if Isshin doesn't attack first then you'll miss out on combo

Isshin needs to go first then main

author: Monolith time: 2015-7-10 10:20:08

Edited by Monolith at 2015-7-10 10:21

sirnibbles replied at 2015-7-10 10:03
wrong

if Isshin doesn't attack first then you'll miss out on combo

wrong

You dont miss out on combo at all.

If Isshin goes first or second doesnt matter at all, every assaulter will attack two times each turn. The only difference is, that you will miss out on the 15% attack bonus from mains skill once if Isshin goes first, like you are suggesting.

Main ---> Isshin ---> 3rd assaulter will result in:

Main (applying the 15% attack buff) , then Isshin (applying combo rate buff), then 3rd assaulter attack which starts the combo chain in which every assaulter has another turn.

Isshin ---> Main --- 3rd assaulter will result in:

Isshin (applying combo rate buff) , then main (applying 15% attack buff) and starting the combo chain in which every asaulter has a turn, then 3rd assaulter.

You arent missing out on combo at all. The only thing you are missing out on is the 15% attack buff on Isshins attack if you make him go first and thats what you are suggesting to the thread opener. He actually asked for ways to maximize his damage not how to miss out on your buffs capabilities.

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-10 10:45:39

Monolith replied at 2015-7-10 10:20
wrong

You dont miss out on combo at all.

wow

i guess that's true

you got me there :/

author: Monolith time: 2015-7-10 11:28:46

sirnibbles replied at 2015-7-10 10:45
wow

i guess that's true

Hehe

btw. I am sorry if I sounded somewhat rude, no actual offence intended. I just get really annoyed sometimes if someone just sticks with his opinion without even reconsidering what he said and probably not even being able to imagine that he might be wrong. I am not saying you are like that at all, dont get me wrong. But you probably know that... Getting into an argument with someone who is so full of himself that he isnt even considering being wrong and just sticks with his opinion no matter what perfect logic and reasonable arguemnts to prove someone wrong you present.

Anyways... now that we settled our little discussion here lets

TL-DR it for the thread opener, For assaulters go:

First main, then Isshin, then your third.

(cat approved)

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-10 16:51:32

Monolith replied at 2015-7-10 10:20
wrong

You dont miss out on combo at all.

seeeeeee guysssssss i was saying this since the start but you guys keep saying isshin first :' ( been saying it doesnt matter they will all attack twice T-T FINALLY ty XDDDD

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-10 16:52:11

BurakCinar replied at 2015-7-10 08:37
you can use green enchantment stone for physic skill + 4x lvl 8 stones + 2x lvl 7 stones for isshi ...

what do you mean? i only have 12 fury stones :' ( they all lvl 4 so each one of them 8%

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-7-10 20:03:26

Edited by BurakCinar at 2015-7-10 20:10

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-10 16:52
what do you mean? i only have 12 fury stones :' ( they all lvl 4 so each one of them 8%

4x 16% + 2x 14% = 32+14(+ physic skill)= 50 fury. basically you need 80x fury stones (+ physic skill)

author: Yurakyaladei time: 2015-7-10 20:09:05

um sorry your math is wrong 16% is lvl 8's so 4x8 = 32 so for 50 you need 2X lvl 18 and 4x lvl 16 or 2 lvl 9 and 4 lvl 8's

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-7-10 20:09:18

Yurakyaladei replied at 2015-7-10 20:09
um sorry your math is wrong 16% is lvl 8's so 4x8 = 32 so for 50 you need 2X lvl 18 and 4x lvl 16 or ...

8+8+8+8+7+7= 46 + physic skill (4)= 50 added the physic skill on wrong side lol, sorry super tired xD

author: [email protected] time: 2015-7-10 20:10:46

BurakCinar replied at 2015-7-11 09:03
4x 16% + 2x 14% = 32+14(+ physic skill)= 50 fury. basically you need 80x fury stones (+ physic skil ...

you only gain 92% fury from stone this way and the physic is only like 2%?

author: Yurakyaladei time: 2015-7-10 20:10:46

lol well you were kinda right if you did 4X 18% and 2X 14%

author: Yurakyaladei time: 2015-7-10 20:13:08

Green psychic gives 4 white gives 2

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-10 20:13:08

or you can be like me and be so fast that you attack twice before they go once

...that's not how it actually works but i don't speak french

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-7-10 20:13:27

[email protected] replied at 2015-7-10 20:10
you only gain 92% fury from stone this way and the physic is only like 2%?

from green enchantment stone which gives 4 fury, thats 8%

author: [email protected] time: 2015-7-10 20:20:23

BurakCinar replied at 2015-7-11 09:13
from green enchantment stone which gives 4 fury, thats 8%

okay my mistake ;x

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-10 20:38:02

wait so how many fury stones do i need?

and how does this work? lets say my main attacks how much fury does she get per attack?

author: [email protected] time: 2015-7-10 20:40:38

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-11 09:38
wait so how many fury stones do i need?

and how does this work? lets say my main attacks how much f ...

assuming you dint have fury stone on her
thus you will need 100% fury stone
for the fury gain are as below
Normal attack : 50 fury
Crit attack : 100 fury
Skill : -100 or all fury you currently have

author: iwilldie time: 2015-7-13 16:53:12

Your Zanpaktou???

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-14 03:31:53

hogyoku zabimaru

author: akiskaloz time: 2015-7-16 06:11:26

sirnibbles replied at 2015-7-9 11:21
eeyy someone got Ukitake

i'm telling you people he's a bamf

IMO there are two different cases
1.) You've got way too many spirit stones to feed Grimjow and your lvl is above the lvl of ES, in this case he will bee better for PvE because his talent increase dmg, than partners with increase strength talent.
2.) You are a bit behind with spirit stones and/or your lvl is under the lvl of ES, in this case increase dmg talent is kind of useless compare to increase strength talent partners.

At least this is what I think/noticed
P.S if you can upgrade him and modify to lvl2 the +30 fury he is godlike either for PvP and PvE

author: akiskaloz time: 2015-7-16 06:32:58

Edited by akiskaloz at 2015-7-16 06:54

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 14:28
can someone explain to me what's Buff Stacking? I read they removed it but I don't know what is it? ...

If there would be stacking and you use 9th skill + zabimarus dmg buff would just add up on each other.
Because there is no more stacking, 9th skills dmg buff will be overwritten by zabimarus dmg buff.

Back to the Ikkaku vs Tavern Ken question
You have Ishhin with combo skill Ikkaku provides 12% combo rate for himself after fully modded it gives you 35+12% combo rate + 25 fury after every skill use.

So if you have rukia + urahara they will give you 25**+30**+25(ikkaku's skill)= +80 fury after every round when ikkaku is using his skill, lets say combo triggered and you hit with ikkaku + ~50 fury means you are already at 130 fury (not to mention if he hits critical then it will give you 180 fury) with him. Next round he is using his skill again and so on and so on.
This gives you a partner who is using his skill every round (still need some luck for combo to trigger, but rate fully modded is 50% so quite high)

** could be more if critical, what means he is using his skill every time. (You just gotta love Ikkaku)
Hopefully it will help you, tried to write it really simple but I'm not sure if I could do it so

Ps.: Ikkaku is one of the best free PvP assaulter as well so if you use him, you don't have to bother feed two different assaulters with exp scrolls

author: LadyJessica time: 2015-7-17 11:55:39

akiskaloz replied at 2015-7-16 06:32
If there would be stacking and you use 9th skill + zabimarus dmg buff would just add up on each oth ...

nice explaination,

i see how good ikkaku is in pvp..

but now which is stronger in PvE? kenpachi or ikkaku? (both from tavern btW)

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-17 12:01:15

akiskaloz replied at 2015-7-16 06:32
If there would be stacking and you use 9th skill + zabimarus dmg buff would just add up on each oth ...

Isshin's skill is actually 100% combo

author: akiskaloz time: 2015-7-18 07:01:45

sirnibbles replied at 2015-7-17 12:01
Isshin's skill is actually 100% combo

For some reason I thought its just 35%, checked it on mine it said gives 35% combo for 2 rounds on assaulters, it was 100% before nerfing

author: akiskaloz time: 2015-7-18 07:28:43

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-17 11:55
nice explaination,

i see how good ikkaku is in pvp..

I would say with Isshin in the line Ikkaku can do more dmg, but this is just what I think, I never tried Kenpachi before.

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-7-18 12:05:13

akiskaloz replied at 2015-7-18 07:01
For some reason I thought its just 35%, checked it on mine it said gives 35% combo for 2 rounds on ...

it says 35% here and in CN, but it is 100%

it never fails

author: akiskaloz time: 2015-7-21 08:50:12

Can't be true, I'm not always double hitting just like 75% of the times

author: pavan93 time: 2015-7-21 10:00:23

LadyJessica replied at 2015-7-9 14:28
can someone explain to me what's Buff Stacking? I read they removed it but I don't know what is it? ...

super analysis you are reading that's great

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