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author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 06:51:02     Title: Mugetsu or B Rukia?

My current formation is a 131 with Sajin, Shini Yoru, main, Yamamoto and Shini Urahara. As zanpakutos i have Zangetsu, Sogyo and Hyorinmaru.
I wanted to do a big top up before taking a break on spending money for a while but i'm unsure if getting B Rukia or Mugetsu.. Either way i will switch out Shini Yoru for one of them and go 122 if Rukia.
I really love B Rukia animation and i know supporters are generally faster than assaulters late game. Tho Mugetsu silence and combo rate is pretty solid.. Which one should i get?
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 07:06:41

Both are good in one way or another, however I personally prefer Mugetsu.

Mugetsu is better for pve, hands down and as for pvp.. he offers a nice aoe damage (185%?), silence on supporters (a must get for shitty swp Aizen's), combo rate for your own supporters... the posibilities this gives is just INSANE. seriously wow.

While rukia just has a nice 200% aoe and eliminates the VG. which is ok but what will she do when she faces a mugetsu
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 07:07:53

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 07:06
Both are good in one way or another, however I personally prefer Mugetsu.

Mugetsu is better for pve ...

190%

and in omsoks case she almost kills them cuz shes faster naturally
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 07:09:53

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 13:07
190%

and in omsoks case she almost kills them cuz shes faster naturally

almost


Just gonna leave that there.

I'm talking endgame where mugetsu offers way more.. + you'll outlvl anyone by doing royka/es
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 07:10:59

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 07:09
Just gonna leave that there.

I'm talking endgame where mugetsu offers way more.. + you'll outlv ...

I don't like ichigo, so no mugetsu

I don't really like rukia either, but I like her more so brukia ftw
author: Xallog    time: 2015-8-28 07:41:18

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author: TheBadTouch    time: 2015-8-28 08:03:40

between the 2, mugetsu is better for pve, but now we have renji out he's gonna put mug to shame in es/ryoka (always remember that isshin is by far the most important partner for pve). I vote grabbing bruk, issh, and renji. Mug gets annihilated by bruk pvp.
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 13:15:19

I need 72 basic fury stones to make a partner T1, right?
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 14:18:56

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 07:09
Just gonna leave that there.

I'm talking endgame where mugetsu offers way more.. + you'll outlv ...

Just thought I'd show up and mention that the almost comes from the mugetsu being 10 levels higher than the B rukia. Definitely worth thinking about.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 14:24:39

Sh4K3y I recommend going for b rukia and using your hyorin with her. If I were you I'd top up now so that you get Berserk Renji too for the pve aspect and you'll be all set for a very long time.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 14:34:20

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 20:18
Just thought I'd show up and mention that the almost comes from the mugetsu being 10 levels higher ...

Doesn't matter, as long as he can tank 1 hit and provide his combo skill towars your sp's you can controll lock your opponent next turn. just use your imagination and think of a certain team and works toward that.

Imo mugetsu offers more roles aswell for that purpose
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 14:38:34

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 14:34
Doesn't matter, as long as he can tank 1 hit and provide his combo skill towars your sp's you can  ...

That's the point, if we were same level he couldn't tank 1 hit. As is he barely tanks it with like 20k hp left. Oh and he still loses because my vanguard is still alive and his isn't thanks to B rukia.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 14:43:16

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 20:38
That's the point, if we were same level he couldn't tank 1 hit. As is he barely tanks it with like ...

Don't feel like looking up the details but I doubt he wouldn't be able to tank 1hit with 90%counter and when you're both using the same gear/lvlstones (+he can use extra wis stones to gain kido def)
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 14:51:49

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 14:43
Don't feel like looking up the details but I doubt he wouldn't be able to tank 1hit with 90%counte ...

The guy I'm talking about has 92.2% counter, is at evo level 11 compared to B rukia's evo level 9. He has multiple level 11 wisdom stones on the Mugetsu along with a flawless kido def hogyoku and a high tier wisdom hogyo, the same gear as my B rukia but with 10 extra levels of enchant on it.

If you'd like I can continue....
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 14:55:16

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 14:43
Don't feel like looking up the details but I doubt he wouldn't be able to tank 1hit with 90%counte ...

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not too sure but i think it has 1m+HP in arena
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 15:05:07

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 14:55
not too sure but i think it has 1m+HP in arena

Iirc it has 1.3 mil hp in arena. Not gonna fight it right now since I'm in pve format lol.
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 15:06:18

Alright so.. I think i'll pick B Rukia. Thank you everyone for the tips.
One last question. Which is the best event to get B Rukia? Also is she a top up X to get or spend X to get?
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 15:08:09

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-28 15:06
Alright so.. I think i'll pick B Rukia. Thank you everyone for the tips.
One last question. Which is ...

She's almost always been spend X to get. Like I said earlier I recommend topping up this week by about 40k so you get renji and have enough gold to buy rukia when she comes around again.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 15:16:59

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-28 21:06
Alright so.. I think i'll pick B Rukia. Thank you everyone for the tips.
One last question. Which is ...

Have fun with her, if I ever would get mugetsu I'd love to face *cough*rape*cough* you Kappa
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-8-28 15:30:49

it's a battle of speed and in my opinion Bankai Rukia have the edge on this that's for pvp but for pve Mugetsu ofcourse
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 15:34:11

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 15:16
Have fun with her, if I ever would get mugetsu I'd love to face *cough*rape*cough* you Kappa

Oh shush you Ichigo fanboy. You know you have no argument after seeing the facts laid out up above.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 15:57:41

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 21:34
Oh shush you Ichigo fanboy. You know you have no argument after seeing the facts laid out up above ...

haha if you'd only knew what I'd be capable of
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 16:01:40

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 15:57
haha if you'd only knew what I'd be capable of

If you're so capable then why don't ya show it? I eagerly await your amazing display. But so far all I see is a load of hot smelly air flying about doing nothing.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 16:08:49

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 22:01
If you're so capable then why don't ya show it? I eagerly await your amazing display. But so far al ...

Basically there's a counter for every time out there but seriously i'm not going into detail because you won't accept my theory/fact anyway. As for mugetsu his best skill part = silence and combo... if you can't think of what I mean with that, you're not "worth" knowing how good he can be

Anyways I can't show you what I've in mind since I don't got those partners..
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 16:24:04

LADIES

stop fighting, you're both pretty

well 5905940259095 isnt but whatever
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 16:24:57

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 16:08
Basically there's a counter for every time out there but seriously i'm not going into detail becau ...

Like I said, all talk and no show. Yes there's a counter for everything, but it sure as hell ain't mugetsu that's a counter for B Rukia. Honestly if anyone's a counter for her it's Ultimate Aizen. With the right setup there's no way she could one shot him, and his fury restriction would probably let him win. But again, if you can't even go into detail it's just because you have no details. Multiple people already presented you with the facts, you're just too blind to look. Silence from Mugetsu's skill doesn't do jack if he can't even live through the first round.
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 16:28:02

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 16:24
Like I said, all talk and no show. Yes there's a counter for everything, but it sure as hell ain't ...

LADIES            
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 16:28:55

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 16:28
LADIES

woops, was writing that while you were posting apparently lol. I'll stop now if he does. My bad
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 16:34:46

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 22:24
Like I said, all talk and no show. Yes there's a counter for everything, but it sure as hell ain't ...

Lol, you're funny
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 16:41:37

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 16:34
Lol, you're funny

Thanks, I prize my sense of humor quite highly. Though I must say I'm nowhere near as funny as you. "Lol, you're funny" some real comic gold right there.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 16:57:53

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 22:41
Thanks, I prize my sense of humor quite highly. Though I must say I'm nowhere near as funny as you ...

My bad, still taking lessons from Mr.nipples.

ps: Yagami, if you're still here somewhere I feel you man
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 17:00:12

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 16:57
My bad, still taking lessons from Mr.nipples.

ps: Yagami, if you're still here somewhere I feel y ...

rude

he was just on btw, and thats rlly awks
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 17:00:44

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 17:00
rude

he was just on btw, and thats rlly awks

Wait yagami was actually on? When lol, I thought he was long gone.
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 17:02:40

Edited by sirnibbles at 2015-8-28 17:04
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 17:00
Wait yagami was actually on? When lol, I thought he was long gone.

lql, he was never gone

he just left the forums and only shows when the need to troll is too large

he reads everything though i think, he isnt as good as hiding as i'd expect someone like him to be
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 17:04:17

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 17:02
lql, he was never gone

he just left the forums and only shows when the need to troll is too large ...

Lol, well I didn't really think he quit the game. But yeah I more or less thought he had disappeared from the forums entirely. Hadn't noticed a post from him in months.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 17:52:57

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 22:24
Like I said, all talk and no show. Yes there's a counter for everything, but it sure as hell ain't ...
Well she doesn't kill Dragoon's Mugetsu

Ts Ichi has to take care of that part lol


Just leaving that one here
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 17:56:21

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 17:52
Just leaving that one here

Again, the Mugetsu is 10 levels higher with better hoyoku on it. And it only survives with about 20k hp left. But thanks for taking a quote completely out of context and trying to use it. You'd make an amazing politician. They also tend to be good at ignoring facts and twisting people's words.
author: TheBadTouch    time: 2015-8-28 17:59:09

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 17:52
Just leaving that one here

Give it up, have you seen how stacked his mug is? Had to move stamina stones from his ts ichi and wis stones from supps to get it beast enough to not get one shotted. Drag has one monsterrrrr of a mugetsu but bruk is what pushed him to have to stack mug.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 18:01:50

TheBadTouch replied at 2015-8-28 17:59
Give it up, have you seen how stacked his mug is? Had to move stamina stones from his ts ichi and  ...

On that note I might as well mention that even though B rukia is faster, his Mugetsu has almost a full 100k bp over her. I think that helps clear up the insane difference in the stuff they have equipped, yet he only barely survives her attack for now lol.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 18:15:39

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 00:01
On that note I might as well mention that even though B rukia is faster, his Mugetsu has almost a  ...

I don't think you understand that i'm talking about endgame, where you can have more than 6stones per EQ... this involves extra sta/wis stones. Seriously there's always a way to tank your d.rukia's hit... no matter if you're 10lvl's higher.. her wis stat growth is crap compared to Mugetsu.
The only decent growth stat she has is agility.

Might aswell throw a random formation in this convo:

Vg (needs to tank 1hit)-Mugetsu/main-Retsu kenpachi Unuhona-SwpAizen

Gl fighting that setup with whatever you have and don't tell me you'll wipe out retsu with d.rukia
As for who's gonna strike 1st... it'll be like this:

1) Your Drukia
2) My Mugetsu (this makes your swp aizen/drukia useless)
3) My SWP aizen (to take out your AS)
4)My Retsu (to secure the kill)

Now what you could be crying about is the speed issue.. (there might be a way to counter mugetsu's speed with your Swp Aizen, but then you'd have to spend over 50k$ just to outspeed My mugetsu with 2characters)... so if that'd be your 'valid arguement' that D.rukia is better... so be it

If you ask me however, 50K$ isn't worth it since there are other ways to counter the set-up I just mentioned + mugetsu provides so much more. If you can't understand this much then please waste more money, you're keeping the servers alive
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 18:15:49

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author: [email protected]    time: 2015-8-28 18:20:21

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 18:15
I don't think you understand that i'm talking about endgame, where you can have more than 6stones p ...

1 uber fast CSB aizen with luck on your side, makes a difference too ^~^
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 18:23:35

[email protected] replied at 2015-8-29 00:20
1 uber fast CSB aizen with luck on your side, makes a difference too ^~^

Haha true but all I was saying is: Mugetsu is love, Mugetsu is life Kappa
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-8-28 18:24:28

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 18:23
Haha true but all I was saying is: Mugetsu is love, Mugetsu is life Kappa

Mugetsu is really good!!

Mugetsu, TSI, Shinso, Retsu Kenapchi..

and have Retsu cast invuln. on TSI hahahhahaahhahahahhahaha
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-8-28 18:26:20

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 18:01
On that note I might as well mention that even though B rukia is faster, his Mugetsu has almost a  ...

what about immune rate stacking? what are their immune rates?
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 18:26:25

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 18:15
I don't think you understand that i'm talking about endgame, where you can have more than 6stones p ...

Dude, you just put a 5 partner formation up against B rukia rofl. Also yes she can very easily one shot retsu but that's besides the point. There is simply no way to make Mugetsu live through B Rukia's attack if they are equal. You seem to be misunderstanding when I say there's a 10 level difference between my Rukia and Dragoon's Mugetsu. The Mugetsu is the one that's 10 levels higher. When we're talking endgame that difference in level is gone bro. I would easily one shot his Mugetsu if we were the same level with same power of gear and everything. Also I already told you, he has wis and stam stones on his Mugetsu. Level 11's at that. And his Mugetsu is on level 11 of evolution, B rukia has only just started level 9 of evolution.

Now as for your argument about that team going up against D rukia, I already told you SWP Aizen is a counter for her. But you were trying to say Mugetsu is better, so why the hell are you using aizen for this? It's like a joke, if we're going with that version then sure let's throw in whatever the hell partners we want here huh? Why don't we start inventing orange name partners too just for the hell of it.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 18:29:25

[email protected] replied at 2015-8-28 18:24
Mugetsu is really good!!

Mugetsu, TSI, Shinso, Retsu Kenapchi..

Retsu would almost never be able to cast invuln on TSI though... she casts it on the partner with lowest hp, and he's a vanguard.


As for the immune stacking question, Dragoon's Mugetsu currently has 34.2 immune rate. As far as i can tell it can only get a little higher from prestige title and that's about it.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-8-28 18:30:52

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 18:29
Retsu would almost never be able to cast invuln on TSI though... she casts it on the partner with  ...

he can mix and match god gear

100, 110 and 120

but

i don't know how strong your B-rukia is, and i don't know how strong his mugetsu is...

i know how fast you are but that is it..
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 18:35:14

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 00:26
Dude, you just put a 5 partner formation up against B rukia rofl. Also yes she can very easily one ...

I didn't mention other partners on your team since it wouldn't have matterd a single bit. (see brah's kenpachi unuhona)

As for the growth states... dude it doesn't matter, it'll be maybe 1k extra dmg.. HOLY SHIT that's alot, right? As for the sta/wis stones he has on his mugetsu... what's the issue with that? It's a way to counter your d.rukia's dmg output.. (your d.rukia has probably lvl11-12wis stones)

As for the aizen, I only put him in for the void to controll your assaulters.. not to counter your d.rukia.
SWP aizen doesn't counter d.rukia imo, since d.rukia's agility stats are higher than aizen's if I'm not mistaken... + she can still t1 even if she's slower.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 18:36:55

[email protected] replied at 2015-8-28 18:30
he can mix and match god gear

100, 110 and 120

I'll post picks later. Got to wait a bit since both of our forms are in shambles lol. Got gear on random partners since we both like stacking people up just to see what they max out at lmfao.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 18:40:52

[email protected] replied at 2015-8-29 00:24
Mugetsu is really good!!

Mugetsu, TSI, Shinso, Retsu Kenapchi..

Just waiting for a good opportunity to get him ;)
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 18:44:40

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 18:35
I didn't mention other partners on your team since it wouldn't have matterd a single bit. (see bra ...

You are majorly underestimating the growth rates lol. Her kido attack goes up by around 2k every level just from leveling. Plus another 300 kido attack from the 10 level enchant difference on weapons. That's over 20k kido attack more that she'd have at the same level as him. Yeah that IS a lot now isn't it? As for the stam/wis stones on him I have no issue with that. But you keep implying that he has room to improve in that area and there really isn't. But don't worry. As soon as he and I have comparable stats I'll enjoy showing you exactly what I'm talking about. It'll be funny watching you eat your words.

And the best part? You don't have either of those partners, so you'll just have to take that battle report and be happy with it.
author: TheBadTouch    time: 2015-8-28 18:49:32

If we really wanna start posting the infinite scenarios that could counter the penultimate scenario, il give ya one to counter the last one. rape face uno gives 10% boost to kido, thats enough for bruk to easily one shot any scenario endgame mug, to even be remotely close to competitive the mug user needs to use senbon. This means his sups are not fast enough to outspeed say... csb aiz, opponents swp aiz, or even shinso gin (which in endgame also gives boost to kido speed). Now lets see you could sayy.... 1000000 different scenarios to counter that. Lets Fucking End this thread shall we?
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 18:49:55

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 00:44
You are majorly underestimating the growth rates lol. Her kido attack goes up by around 2k every l ...

I'm gonna end the conversation here, we both clearly have a different on this topic ;)
Don't get me wrong, D.rukia is a beast, I just wouldn't take her over mugetsu.

As for the OP, have fun with your D.rukia, she is indeed a monster
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 18:52:13

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 18:40
Just waiting for a good opportunity to get him ;)

no you aren't, you don't have no munny
author: 595459354    time: 2015-8-28 18:54:16

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-29 00:52
no you aren't, you don't have no munny

you said were gonna lend me some money  
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 18:54:45

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 18:52
no you aren't, you don't have no munny

Rofl, it's always about the munny. WHY GOGREED NO GIVE US FREE STUFFZ

#5Nipples

#RenjiForUBPOrWeQuit
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 18:57:48

595459354 replied at 2015-8-28 18:54
you said were gonna lend me some money

i don't think that ever happened
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 20:48:54

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 00:54
Rofl, it's always about the munny. WHY GOGREED NO GIVE US FREE STUFFZ

#5Nipples

But Gogreed actually give us free stuff.. I topped up 40k and i got 14kk silver.. For free!
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 20:58:37

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-28 20:48
But Gogreed actually give us free stuff.. I topped up 40k and i got 14kk silver.. For free!

Lol sorry for the confusion. It was a reference to an earlier post by Nibbs.
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 21:07:07

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 02:58
Lol sorry for the confusion. It was a reference to an earlier post by Nibbs.

I imagined it would be something like that
That's why i made that sarcasm post. 40k gold for 14kk silver is merely dust xD

But anyway, why would you suggest Hyorinmaru with BRukia?
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 21:14:31

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-28 21:07
I imagined it would be something like that
That's why i made that sarcasm post. 40k gold for 14 ...

Because Hyorinmaru gives the best speed to supporter aside from Muramasa and Tensa Zangetsu, and you don't have either of them from what you said. B rukia's best attribute is by far her speed, so you'll want to take advantage of that.
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 21:18:14

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 03:14
Because Hyorinmaru gives the best speed to supporter aside from Muramasa and Tensa Zangetsu, and y ...

I can't fortify Hyorinmaru for speed though.. While i could do it easily with Zangetsu and it only has 3% less speed. Unless fortify stats are completely useless and you won't even notice the difference.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-28 21:23:45

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-28 21:18
I can't fortify Hyorinmaru for speed though.. While i could do it easily with Zangetsu and it only ...

Well the problem with zangetsu is he also gives 5% less reiatsu bonus. That's a huge amount.

And as for the fortify, Zangetsu at level 100 fortify will give 17k speed. I know that's a lot, but that will take years to get. I have tensa at fortify level 20, and it already takes 104 per level. So for now just assume you'll only get about 3k speed out of fortify any time soon lol.
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-28 21:25:10

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 03:23
Well the problem with zangetsu is he also gives 5% less reiatsu bonus. That's a huge amount.

And  ...

Fair enough
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-28 21:55:01

ATTA BOY SHAK
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author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-29 02:22:18

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-29 03:55
ATTA BOY SHAK

Don't worry, scary people will come out the last day.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-8-29 02:38:08

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 17:00
Wait yagami was actually on? When lol, I thought he was long gone.

How the heck you know yagami-Dono
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-8-29 02:39:27

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-28 17:02
lql, he was never gone

he just left the forums and only shows when the need to troll is too large

Yeah after all I am his successor , a #accountonallservers XD
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-8-29 02:48:38

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-29 02:22
Don't worry, scary people will come out the last day.

Please dun say you are on servers between 1-35 -_-
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-8-29 02:56:34

O.o....oh no
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 03:10:33

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-28 21:14
Because Hyorinmaru gives the best speed to supporter aside from Muramasa and Tensa Zangetsu, and y ...

Umm excuse me, but why do you say tensa zangetsu gives the best speed to supporter beside muramasa?  I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I saw tensa zangetsus speed percentage to be 0% to assaulters and supporters.  0% speed,25% dmg on assaulters and 0% speed, 25% dmg on supporters.  Unless you mean the fortify speed.
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-29 07:51:41

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 03:10
Umm excuse me, but why do you say tensa zangetsu gives the best speed to supporter beside muramasa ...

its a bug, when you look at any zans stats its like that for support

tensa actually gives 25% speed to support, with 0% dmg
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 10:29:29

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-8-29 02:38
How the heck you know yagami-Dono

Lol I don't personally know him. But I've seen his posts all over the older forum threads lol
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 10:30:13

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 03:10
Umm excuse me, but why do you say tensa zangetsu gives the best speed to supporter beside muramasa ...

As the cat said, it's just a visual bug. Tensa gives 25% speed to supports making him by far the fastest zanpakuto in the game.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-8-29 10:35:12

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 10:29
Lol I don't personally know him. But I've seen his posts all over the older forum threads lol

Oh lol btw how much bp you have , rei lvl , hollow soul map sry for that investigation but I can't access to pc just on phone these days
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 12:10:17

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-8-29 10:35
Oh lol btw how much bp you have , rei lvl , hollow soul map sry for that investigation but I can't ...

Currently 2170062 regular bp, Rei level 81, I beat Aizen a couple days ago in hollow souls map, and right now I've got first 3 hollow souls fully activated on TS Ichigo and first Hollow soul activated on B Rukia, with a few stars on all the other hollow souls for both of them. My other partners currently have a couple stars on the first hollow soul, no stars for any of the others. B Rukia is at Evolution level 9, and everyone else is around evo level 3 or 4
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 14:01:02

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-29 07:51
its a bug, when you look at any zans stats its like that for support

tensa actually gives 25% spe ...

Ah really?  I didin't know that.  They should fix those things because they confuse people.  You top up thinking you're gonna get something, then you find out it's something else.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 14:03:07

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 10:30
As the cat said, it's just a visual bug. Tensa gives 25% speed to supports making him by far the f ...

Ah so he's even faster than muramasa, ok, I see.  You mentioned something earlier about hyorinmaru, that he is better than zangetsu, or something similar of that because of 4% or 5% difference.  You are referring to the reiatsu bonus right?  
author: sirnibbles    time: 2015-8-29 14:08:35

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 14:03
Ah so he's even faster than muramasa, ok, I see.  You mentioned something earlier about hyorinmaru ...

hyorin gives 3% more speed to supp so that may be what he's talking about along with the extra 5% reiatsu bonus
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 14:26:39

sirnibbles replied at 2015-8-29 14:08
hyorin gives 3% more speed to supp so that may be what he's talking about along with the extra 5%  ...

Is reiatsu bonus really that much big of a deal?  I ask because I thought the important part was the percentage of speed and damage the zampaktou gives on supports and assaulters.  A zampaktou like hyorinmaru, as I'm seeing gives nothing to assaulters, so I really don't see the big deal with him, unless you got nozarashi, or you got a very good support.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 14:36:29

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 14:26
Is reiatsu bonus really that much big of a deal?  I ask because I thought the important part was t ...

Well first of all Sh4rk3y got B Rukia, so that's why i recommended Hyorin to her. But second of all, as far as endgame goes yes reiatsu bonus is a huge difference. The difference in speed to supporters between zangetsu and Hyorin is tremendous. For example my B rukia is 15k faster using Hyorin than she is with Zangetsu. That's a huge difference in PvP
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-8-29 15:21:11

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 12:10
Currently 2170062 regular bp, Rei level 81, I beat Aizen a couple days ago in hollow souls map, an ...

Lol my np is pretty close to yours I vested aizen 3 days ago but I am retarded in hollow soul map lol
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-29 16:44:35

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 20:36
Well first of all Sh4rk3y got B Rukia, so that's why i recommended Hyorin to her. But second of al ...

I guess i'll get Muramasa whenever he is up in a event. My Hyorinmaru is not even shikai lol
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 17:04:45

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-29 16:44
I guess i'll get Muramasa whenever he is up in a event. My Hyorinmaru is not even shikai lol

Ohhh yeah definitely get Muramasa, or tensa if he appears for a cheap amount. Tensa is amazing with B rukia lol
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 19:04:44

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 14:36
Well first of all Sh4rk3y got B Rukia, so that's why i recommended Hyorin to her. But second of al ...

So, between zangetsu or muramasa, which would be better to get?  I see zangetsu gives 125% bonus while muramasa gives 130%.  Is muramasa better to get because of this?
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 19:09:26

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 19:04
So, between zangetsu or muramasa, which would be better to get?  I see zangetsu gives 125% bonus w ...

In my opinion yes Muramasa is better because of that. Though for a 0-3-2 formation for fighting es Zangetsu has an advantage because of the better damage rating for Assaulters.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 22:23:52

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 19:09
In my opinion yes Muramasa is better because of that. Though for a 0-3-2 formation for fighting es ...

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info.  I just found it curious that some couple of guys on my server were getting muramasa instead of zangetsu, when they both cost same gold in anniversary event.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 22:45:19

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 22:23
Ah, ok. Thanks for the info.  I just found it curious that some couple of guys on my server were g ...

Yeah, for PvP Muramasa is by far better, especially if your supporters are your best partners. PvE though Zangetsu definitely has a slight edge for the 0-3-2 formation.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-29 22:50:54

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 22:45
Yeah, for PvP Muramasa is by far better, especially if your supporters are your best partners. PvE ...

So muramasas extra 5% reiatsu bonus doesnt make up for its lack in damage in assaulters in pve? I'd think that extra 5% would help him to be at least decent or good in pve.  

So, as you say, muramasa pvp, zangetsu pve
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-29 23:01:29

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-29 22:50
So muramasas extra 5% reiatsu bonus doesnt make up for its lack in damage in assaulters in pve? I' ...

Oh don't let me confuse you, Muramasa's also very good in PvE. Just not as good as Zangetsu, who's arguably the best Zanpakuto for a 0-3-2 PvE formation. Just like Senbon is the best for a 1-3-1 formation like you'd use in Ryoka wave 50+
author: Sh4rk3y    time: 2015-8-30 07:26:22

Edited by Sh4rk3y at 2015-8-30 17:22
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-30 05:01
Oh don't let me confuse you, Muramasa's also very good in PvE. Just not as good as Zangetsu, who's ...

I'm using Sogyo for pve because Dark Rukia synergy.
But anyway who should i switch out when i get BRukia? I was thinking about changing Shinigami Yoruichi with her and going for a 122. I can't afford a T1 BRukia yet so i count on my Shinigami Urahara combo rate to make her skill.. Plus silence is good anyway xD
Or i could simply switch Urahara and keep 131.. Or switch both Yoru and Yamamoto for BRukia and Renji. Too many possibilities ù.ù
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-30 12:26:13

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-29 23:01
Oh don't let me confuse you, Muramasa's also very good in PvE. Just not as good as Zangetsu, who's ...

Would you say muramasa is better than let's say sogyo for pve?  I was gonna skip getting sogyo and rather get muramasa or zangetsu, but when it comes to a balance between pvp and pve, I think muramasa would be the better choice.  
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-30 12:29:23

MikkyX replied at 2015-8-30 12:26
Would you say muramasa is better than let's say sogyo for pve?  I was gonna skip getting sogyo and ...

Muramasa a much better choice if you are only gonna get one and want a balance between pve and pvp. But sogyo combined with D Rukia or Cute Orihime is probably the best combination for a 0-3-2 PvE besides zangetsu with one of those 2
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-8-30 12:31:56

Sh4rk3y replied at 2015-8-30 07:26
I'm using Sogyo for pve because Dark Rukia synergy.
But anyway who should i switch out when i get B ...

Yea sogyo with D rukia is a good combo

Just my personal suggestion, but I'd switch urahara out for B rukia and put renji in for Yoruichi in PvP. But if you won't be able to get T1 any time soon for B rukia then maybe keeping Urahara in for the combo rate is a good idea. Not sure, you'll probably have to play around with it and see what works lol
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-8-30 15:52:25

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-8-30 12:29
Muramasa a much better choice if you are only gonna get one and want a balance between pve and pvp ...

Nah, I don't want sogyo.  Too many people in my server have sogyo, so I'll pass on him and rather go on zangetsu since I'm planning to get cute orihime to replace my rukia.  



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