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author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-1 23:06:41 Title: Best use isshin

Can somebody guide me on how to use isshin in the best way possible? I hired him recently, and he replaced my ikkaku in my formation with him. I heard, he has to be your fastest assaulter, not sure how to use him in pve, they told me to use 9th skill on main with him, also that he should be my fastest assaulter. Though not sure if he should be above assaulter or below.

Any tips?

For reference, in pve, I use rukia, kisuke, main, kenpachi and ikkaku, but with isshin, kenpachi will be replaced with isshin. As for pvp, isshin will replace ikkaku.

author: DeEmEn time: 2015-9-1 23:35:11

kisuke can go first, rukia can go 2nd, then Isshin, then your main and 3rd assaulter. Isshin can be good with PvE and PvP, so you can keep him there. You have to choose between kenpachi or ikkaku. I will pick ikkaku over kenpachi.

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-1 23:37:26

DeEmEn replied at 2015-9-1 23:35
kisuke can go first, rukia can go 2nd, then Isshin, then your main and 3rd assaulter. Isshin can be ...

Ok. as for the combo, should I put him let's say on top, main on middle and ikkaku bottom, is that good?

author: DeEmEn time: 2015-9-1 23:38:24

I dont think it will make a different. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I will put him on the bottom.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-1 23:43:00

ahmm , The reason why isshin ought to be fast is actually 1st . the fury attack of isshin is to disarm the opponents aSsaulters which means they cant attack you for 2 rounds totally ! 2nd. he gives your other 1 aSsaulter ( If u are using 1-2-2 , then in this case your main is the other aSaulter ) another chance to attack just after isshin attack , and if you also using 8th skill (btw its 8th skill ) , u will give him back another attack , in a nutshell u will be having t1 in just one attack and and lending a total of 4 attacks on ur opponents . This for pvp

Now for pve the same reason follows , he + main 8th skill allows u to lend 2 more attacks which is definetly better to do higher damage

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 05:15:58

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-1 23:43
ahmm , The reason why isshin ought to be fast is actually 1st . the fury attack of isshin is to disa ...

Wouldn't 9th skill be better for him? For pve that is, or so I was told. Also, I have kisuke, who gives T1 to my supporter and my assaulters, including isshin, thanks to the fury stones I have on them.

For pvp, I usually use my gin to stun assaulters in 1st round, thanks to the T1 he gets from kisuke. after that I'd use my main with last skill, that usually wipes assaulter line and in cases even supporters. I focused a bit on making my main fast, after supporters, also to make him hit hard so that hed wipe many with last skill. That's why when I got isshin, I'd usually make him attack after main. So basically I focus my speed on 3 partners, my 2 supporters and main.

author: myungdae time: 2015-9-2 05:24:48

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 10:15
Wouldn't 9th skill be better for him? For pve that is, or so I was told. Also, I have kisuke, who ...

The 8th skill doesn't stack with Isshin so just go for the 9th skill

author: Dotiie time: 2015-9-2 05:30:46

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-9-2 10:35

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 10:15
Wouldn't 9th skill be better for him? For pve that is, or so I was told. Also, I have kisuke, who ...

Take gin out, give t1 to isshin and make ur main attack after him, u will have t1 in ur main too, just put yoruichi/ aizen as ur 2nd supp
PS: Make sure isshin attacks after kisuke

author: IREG33 time: 2015-9-2 06:01:24

IMO in pve use kenpachi not ikkaku, ikkaku is good cuz he can use his skill every round if ur support crit n give him more fury, but with isshin every1 uses skill so kenpachi is better.

author: moongoatie time: 2015-9-2 07:31:03

For pve, your speeds should be like Kisuke t1>Rukia t1>Main with 9th to buff>Isshin>Ken

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 10:43:08

Dotiie replied at 2015-9-2 05:30
Take gin out, give t1 to isshin and make ur main attack after him, u will have t1 in ur main too, j ...

Don't have yoroichi nor aizen yet. I'm waiting to either become vip5 which shouldn't be long cause of reio, or getting 2nd division lieutenant title, which is in about a weak time, that way I can have 16 partners in formation, because currently I have 14, and I can't get rid of none of them, as all of them have their uses.

As for T1, I have kisuke with fury stones, thanks to that, he gives T1 to everyone, except vanguard.

A questoin, if I must ask, if I put isshin 2nd, and he skills and gives combo to main, will my main be able to skill immediately even though he's slower than enemy's support? Or will he have to wait until enemy support attacks first.

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 10:45:38

IREG33 replied at 2015-9-2 06:01
IMO in pve use kenpachi not ikkaku, ikkaku is good cuz he can use his skill every round if ur suppor ...

I use kisuke, rukia so if one of them crits and ikkaku crits, which should be most likely cause of the title he has, he can skilll every turn.

As for isshin making everyone skill, wouldn't he make my main skill more rather than kenpachi? I heard he makes the person below him skill (combo), which in this case would be main.

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 10:51:02

moongoatie replied at 2015-9-2 07:31
For pve, your speeds should be like Kisuke t1>Rukia t1>Main with 9th to buff>Isshin>Ken

My friend that has isshin, insists I make isshin my fastest assaulter. I thought about this formation too, the one you mentioned, having 9th skill to give attack to assaulters, but he says that by making isshin the fastest my damage would be greater. I'll probably give both a try and compare.

What about pvp, can I use this same formation for pvp? I mean in the speeds that is. Replacing rukia with gin, and replacing 9th skill to last skill and replacing ken with vanguard. So in pvp, kisuket1>gint1>main with last skill>isshin>holl. ichigo

I know, I have to make isshin the fastest assaulter, but I get very good results from making my main go 3rd, in pvp that is, because with luck, he can wipe assaulters and greatly wound supports, thanks to his last skill, and to gin's prior attack which wounds assaulters.

author: TheBadTouch time: 2015-9-2 10:57:59

Edited by TheBadTouch at 2015-9-2 11:03

I would recommend getting issh the t1 instead of gin (Issh 100% disables enemy assaulters so it makes gin quite obsolete ie get rid of gin he's useless when you have issh). And making him fastest (after kisuke). Though this is dependent on what zan you're using currently.
Disclaimer: This comment is pointedly refering to pvp

author: Dotiie time: 2015-9-2 10:59:23

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 15:43
Don't have yoroichi nor aizen yet. I'm waiting to either become vip5 which shouldn't be long caus ...

i will try to explain how combo rate works
when u get extra round in char, he will immediately attack
so ur isshin must extra round to make ur main attack before their supp, if he doesnt, just when main attack will trigger the combo chain.

author: IREG33 time: 2015-9-2 11:13:27

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 17:45
I use kisuke, rukia so if one of them crits and ikkaku crits, which should be most likely cause of ...

Lol no isshin gives 100% combo to all assaulters, kenpachi's stats r higher n his skill does more dmg, with isshin he's better than ikkaku

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 14:14:59

TheBadTouch replied at 2015-9-2 10:57
I would recommend getting issh the t1 instead of gin (Issh 100% disables enemy assaulters so it make ...

I use kazeshini. As for T1, all my team gets T1, including isshin, except vanguard, thanks to kisuke's skill and some fury stones. The reason I use gin, is that I could stun the opponent in 1st turn or in due case, decrease their fury so that they can't skill next turn. He has proven helpful on opponents whose mian's speed is faster than gin.

My logic states that if I make isshin the 2nd fastest, I'd have to hope for him to be faster than opponents assaulters because if they hit before isshin, then void won't matter as they'd probably have enough fury, for the next attack to skill. Gin helped in that area, by decreasing their fury and dealing damage to them.

author: TheBadTouch time: 2015-9-2 14:18:50

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 14:14
I use kazeshini. As for T1, all my team gets T1, including isshin, except vanguard, thanks to kis ...

Kaze gives more of a speed boost to assaulters than sups. Get rid of gin. Isshin will undoubtedly be faster than gin especially with the 18% speed boost (vs 12% for sups iirc). Give gins agi stones to issh.

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 14:20:07

IREG33 replied at 2015-9-2 11:13
Lol no isshin gives 100% combo to all assaulters, kenpachi's stats r higher n his skill does more ...

You sure? Not been eceptical nor anything just that with the fury he recovers plus kisuke and rukia, he's surely skilling every round. But you do have a very good point there too. Maybe I oughta give him a try.

Though another concern has hit me. What will happen in ryoka when I have to put my vanguard back. Who will I remove? Considering I'll be using, kisuke, rukia, main, isshin and kenpachi. Who should I replace with my vg after around wave 54?

P.S. on a personal note I use a 1-2-2 formation, so I'd put my vg gear on my 3rd assaulter, which in this case would be isshin, since I need kenpachi to have my best gear to deal the most damage.

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 14:23:00

Dotiie replied at 2015-9-2 10:59
i will try to explain how combo rate works
when u get extra round in char, he will immediately at ...

O.K., what I think I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, is that isshin gives combo to assaulters. He doesn't make them skill immediately. The combo would activate until the other assaulters attack. So, if isshin attacks before assaulters, they wouldn't necessarily immediately attack twice. It would be until it's their turn to attack, depending on enemys team speeds, then when its my assaulters turn to attack, they'd combo thanks to isshins skill.

Did I got it right?

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 14:40:23

TheBadTouch replied at 2015-9-2 14:18
Kaze gives more of a speed boost to assaulters than sups. Get rid of gin. Isshin will undoubtedly ...

And replace gin with aizen, ok, seems like a good plan.

author: Dotiie time: 2015-9-2 15:18:34

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 19:23
O.K., what I think I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, is that isshin gives combo to assaulters ...

exactly, i think xD u bugged me, combo rate gaved by isshin just can be activated after his skill, so when he skill it wont trigger a extra round, will just trigger the combo chain after ur main attack

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 15:41:16

Dotiie replied at 2015-9-2 15:18
exactly, i think xD u bugged me, combo rate gaved by isshin just can be activated after his skill, ...

Yeah, that's what I thought. If the enemy support is faster than my main, even though isshin is faster than enemy support, my main won't attack until after the enemy support has attacked. After that, my main would most likely combo.

The way I understand it, isshin doesn't activate a combo, at least not in 1st round, he just gives combo, which will be activated until after my main has attacked.

author: Dotiie time: 2015-9-2 16:11:43

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-2 20:41
Yeah, that's what I thought. If the enemy support is faster than my main, even though isshin is f ...

yeap exactly

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-2 19:21:51

Dotiie replied at 2015-9-2 05:30
Take gin out, give t1 to isshin and make ur main attack after him, u will have t1 in ur main too, j ...

By any chance, are you Kawai Toshio? Something like that, don't know exact name, but this person is in my CSB and has exact same formation and strategy as you're mentioning. He's pretty strong because of this, can't beat him.

author: Dotiie time: 2015-9-2 19:40:41

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-3 00:21
By any chance, are you Kawai Toshio? Something like that, don't know exact name, but this person ...

No, my ingame name is the same, I mean Dottie

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-3 03:08:45

Dotiie replied at 2015-9-2 19:40
No, my ingame name is the same, I mean Dottie

Odd though, he is using basically the same advice that you gave me. And yes, it's very effective. Him having zangetsu helps him a lot too.

author: Dotiie time: 2015-9-3 03:11:08

SosaRey replied at 2015-9-3 08:08
Odd though, he is using basically the same advice that you gave me. And yes, it's very effective. ...

I'm trying to work on my team now, still very "unbalanced" (can't figure out another word to describe it)
Will put my isshin T1 and buy zangetsu to fix it

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