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author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-3 23:20:01 Title: Isshin Endgame

Can Isshin be considered an endgame partner? I know might seem a stupid question, but with the many partners out there, I had to ask, if he was endgame. Also, is it worth to do evolution on him. I think I know the answer but I'd just like to confirm it.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-3 23:27:24

ofc. he is op.

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-9-3 23:29:19

If u cant get 1000 usd characters then yes, it is.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-3 23:35:32

No, someone else will replace his ability down the road and have higher stats. Ive played these type of games for 15 years

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-3 23:48:20

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-9-3 23:29
If u cant get 1000 usd characters then yes, it is.

Nope, I definately can't. He's the most expensive partner I could ever buy.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-9-4 02:28:47

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-3 23:48
Nope, I definately can't. He's the most expensive partner I could ever buy.

imo isshin is right now the best partner to have if youre gonna top up for anything. but like bwg said, we're prob gonna see a similar partner sooner or later with higher stats

author: concueror time: 2015-9-4 02:54:41

Ultima Aizen much better

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-4 04:14:51

concueror replied at 2015-9-3 23:54
Ultima Aizen much better

You could say my main is end game if thats where your getting at.

author: theguyinblack time: 2015-9-4 06:02:38

partners like him are immortal he fit's at any condition, PvP, PvE, daily PvE events.... i'm sure at some point they'll buff them to become red partners (like unlimited ninja.)

author: Suzuken time: 2015-9-4 07:21:03

check this battle report and judge for your self
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... &aid=58&t=1

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 14:21:23

concueror replied at 2015-9-4 02:54
Ultima Aizen much better

Definately but I'm vip4. To get ultima aizen might take a year or more.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 14:30:48

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-4 07:21
check this battle report and judge for your self
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=5708482 ...

I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol. IN any case, the thing about isshin that i don't really like is that you have to make him faster than main. That costs me a bit of trouble, because I usually give good speed to my main so he can take out asaulters in one hit.

So the key to isshin as I'm seeing is trying to make him fast, very fast, even faster than enemy, which to me is kinda tough, since normally for me the priority is to make my supporters faster. Though with the right speeds, he can definately be a game changer.

author: Suzuken time: 2015-9-4 14:35:26

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 22:30
I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol. IN any case, the thing about isshin tha ...

that's not me xD it's a battle report i found in a thread " ~*interesting battle reports*~ "
anyway like you saw he can shut down all assaulter when he attacks like with 100% success rate that what makes him great so you don't need to have your main faster you just need a good support "Aizen,yoriuchi,shini urahara" to shut down enemy support and then you can just sit tight while drinking coffee and watching your assaulter smacking your opponents like a drum

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2015-9-4 14:54:48

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 19:30
I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol. IN any case, the thing about isshin tha ...

Forget the fact that he has to be faster than the opponent, that's to everyone on your team isn't it?

If you have 3 assaulters on your team, then Isshin doesn't have to attack first, he can attack second (as long as he's not last) as the combo rate will proc.

The 'speed problem' only occurs when you have 2 assaulters (main and Isshin) which is somewhat hard of course considering your main gets higher growth rates than Isshin, however with 3 assaulters, again, it's fine if he doesn't attack first.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-9-4 14:59:21

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-9-4 14:54
Forget the fact that he has to be faster than the opponent, that's to everyone on your team isn't ...

Isshin is easily faster than main though since he has an agility talent and main does not. Isshin also gets a lot of speed in his evolution and he has a modify for speed too. So all in all it's extremely easy to make him faster than your main lol

author: 595459354 time: 2015-9-4 15:17:35

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 20:30
I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol. IN any case, the thing about isshin tha ...

I'm the guy from that clip and at that time I didn't had a lot of speed so my way to counter a t1 main was to tank the hit and then strike back. As for who strikes 1st, you would always prioritise ishiin> main, since ishiin's combo will let your main use his skill while he'd otherwise have to wait another round.

As long as you aren't facing a person with SWP Aizen and your stun accesories are alright, you don't have to worry about supporters

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 15:48:45

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-4 14:35
that's not me xD it's a battle report i found in a thread " ~*interesting battle reports*~ "
anywa ...

But you have to make sure he is faster than the enemys main. Or else they attack and they could deal serious damage to you. If I can make him take a hit from enemy's main, in case enemy's main is faster, then he'd be deadly, just tank him a hit for him and main to survive. I try to shut down the main from most enemy's because their last skill does serious damage to my team.

Been thinking of aizen, though supporters don't do much damage to me, it's the main. The key is to prevent the assaulters from attacking. Since I usually can't beat them with speed with my assaulters, I use gin to stun them and then isshin seals the deal. If they survive main finishes them off with last skill. That way only enemy supports and vanguard remains, but that's just me.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2015-9-4 15:54:42

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 19:59
Isshin is easily faster than main though since he has an agility talent and main does not. Isshin ...

ah understandable

i don't really look at Isshin much, just do the fights and get on with it xD

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 15:55:33

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-9-4 14:54
Forget the fact that he has to be faster than the opponent, that's to everyone on your team isn't ...

I got 2 assaulters, and isshin hits 4th. The reason why I make my main faster than isshin, is that with gin and my main, 2nd and 3rd respectively, they wipe out enemy's assaulters, which do the most damage to me. If isshin was faster, I'd give the opportunity for supporters and maybe main to attack me, as many guys I've faced have cute orhime and kisuke, or 2 fury givers, so silence wouldn't work on them for 1st turn. Also, some have t1, so it's same there.

IN addition, by making main hit 3rd, I can at times, with crits wipe out enemy's supporters. I know I'm not using isshin fully, but maybe with higher speed stones and hogu, isshin's speed could get close to main's.

author: moongoatie time: 2015-9-4 15:57:37

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 14:21
Definately but I'm vip4. To get ultima aizen might take a year or more.

You can't get Ultima as you're now, he requires vip6. You can make Isshin faster than main easily enough, hell same gear my main vs Isshin, isshin got about 10k more speeds, tho they both lv127(no mods no evo) Definately an end game for both pve/pvp ;)

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 15:58:49

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 14:59
Isshin is easily faster than main though since he has an agility talent and main does not. Isshin ...

The modify's would take a while, since as I'm seeing I'd need to modify him 1st to 1 star. Doing math's that takes while.

Also, as for evolution, which I'm currently doing with my hired partner, cause I hired isshin in lease and I'm gonna pay for him little by litte, I hope there's no problem with evolving him while hired, but anyways, I really haven't noticed any speed boost in him. Maybe because I just started, and I'm in his 3rd evolution, but still, a quick glance to it, seemed that evolution didn't make him very fast.

I could be mistaken though, perhaps it's in the far later levels of evolution, maybe 8 or 9.

author: Suzuken time: 2015-9-4 16:01:16

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 23:48
But you have to make sure he is faster than the enemys main. Or else they attack and they could d ...

that's pretty much a good plan you only need to make sure you have enough power to survive your opponents hit if you can't make him faster as long as you don't get stunned,fury deduction you will pretty much win the game so Aizen will help you by shutting down support if you don't have good stun resist which means you only need 1 of 2 things here
1-make isshin faster than main and he will make you attack after him with his combo rate ( you will give you T1 if you made him T1 as well which means destroys whole oppnent team in round 1)
2- make him tanky enough to survive a wave of enemy's attack and after that Aizen will shut down both assaulter and support
the rest if just some work on your vanguard to make him last for the whole fight to cover isshin in case he took some serious dmg and making Aizen at least faster than enemy's support it's a really though diamond to break if you made isssin T1 and fastest but that isn't easy i guess x) so good luck man i hope everything works out well for you

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2015-9-4 16:03:15

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 20:55
I got 2 assaulters, and isshin hits 4th. The reason why I make my main faster than isshin, is tha ...

oh when i meant Isshin to attack first

I meant as in out of all the assaulters you have

all you have to do is make Isshin attack faster than your Assaulter(s), that's all, no-one else xD

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-9-4 16:07:41

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 15:58
The modify's would take a while, since as I'm seeing I'd need to modify him 1st to 1 star. Doing ...

Just checked, and with identical gear my isshin has about 25% more speed than main. That's at evolution level 9 without the speed modify. With that he'd be even faster. So yeah, isshin is very easily faster than main if you put the same stuff on both.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-4 16:12:20

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 13:07
Just checked, and with identical gear my isshin has about 25% more speed than main. That's at evol ...

Does isshin need to attack first? I have renji and hit 135mil a hit in ES, this might take it farther. i mean renji hits first then him. edit

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 16:12:53

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 16:07
Just checked, and with identical gear my isshin has about 25% more speed than main. That's at evol ...

I don't. I have lit 4th and 3rd espada on main, while the 2nd and 1st espada have 5 stars on them, they need one more to complete it. I do this because if main hits harder, he hits all, thus he can onehit most enemies this way.

My isshin, has like 5 stars on espada 4 and 3 and like 4 stars on espada 2 and 3 stars on espada 1. But I think If I put him more agility stones on him, he can pass main. I only have 2 agility stones on him and main has 3, reason for that is I have fury stones on both of them to help with t1, as other stones, like stamina, strength, counter, brk defense, hit, critical. So I'm trying to manage

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 16:16:10

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 16:07
Just checked, and with identical gear my isshin has about 25% more speed than main. That's at evol ...

OH kosmo, since you have isshin, and you seem like a good damage dealer with berserk renji and isshin, help me with something. In pve like ryoka or ES, I assume you use in assaulter line, main, berserk renji and isshin. What's the best order in terms of speed and combo that you use for them. Who goes first and who goes last?

I use main, isshin and kenpachi. And also I use 9th skill. Though I'm not sure if in pve my main should go before isshin, so he does 9th skill and gives attack boost, or make isshin faster than main, so he combos in 1st turn. For reference, I use kisuke, rukia ias supporters.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 16:20:17

595459354 replied at 2015-9-4 15:17
I'm the guy from that clip and at that time I didn't had a lot of speed so my way to counter a t1 ...

I tried that, isshin>main, but what I found is isshin gives combo rate, he doesn't combo right away. Isshin would skill, and gives combo rate to main, but if main wasn't faster than enemy, the enemy would attack first. Some had a gin, which stunned me and made my assaulters done for, while others had kisuke giving t1 to main, so silenced didn't help much there as they'd attack with last skill.

By making main hit before isshin, I could wipe assaulter lane, thanks to gin helping there, and in cases do serious damage if not wipe out supporters.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 16:23:33

moongoatie replied at 2015-9-4 15:57
You can't get Ultima as you're now, he requires vip6. You can make Isshin faster than main easily ...

I could be vip6 that's not a problem the problem is being vip7 to reset huecomundo twice. I only make it to espada 3. Beat it sometimes and sometimes I don't. In a few months, I could be vip6, but the time to get ultima aizen, resetting only once and reaching espada 3, would take forever.

They do have same gear, only my main has more souls to him, because I need him to hit hard. I can put however more agility stones on isshin. I will try that.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 16:28:52

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-9-4 16:03
oh when i meant Isshin to attack first

Well I use a 2-2-1 formation, so basically he'd have to attack faster than main. But as mentioned before even if he were to attack before, if my main wouldn't be near as fast as isshin, I'm risking the opportunity for the opponent to attack me. Isshin skills, gives combo to my main, but my main won't attack right away. My main will only attack immediately if isshin combo's on skill, or if my main is faster than enemy. Of course this rule doesn't apply on later rounds, as combo rate would be active.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-9-4 16:43:41

Edited by Kosmodestiny at 2015-9-4 16:51

bwg2469 replied at 2015-9-4 16:12
Does isshin need to attack first? I have renji and hit 135mil a hit in ES, this might take it farth ...

If Isshin is hitting last out of your assaulters then you're basically missing out on an attack from each of your assaulters that you would have if isshin attacked before at least one of them. So yeah, if he's hitting last then definitely change that, You'll get probably a few extra million out of each hit lol
EDIT: If possible try and have the order be Renji>Isshin>Main. That way Renji's crit damage boost gets on everyone before their first attack, but you still have your main going after isshin so that you get your combo in the first round still

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-9-4 16:48:05

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 16:12
I don't. I have lit 4th and 3rd espada on main, while the 2nd and 1st espada have 5 stars on them ...

Another thing you could do is put your best speed hogu on him. Even if main and isshin have identical hogu on, it'll give isshin more speed than it gives to main.

As for the other question, in your cased I'd go main>Isshin>Kenny. The order I currently go in is Renji>Isshin>Main since renji gives a 50% boost to crit damage and for pve I I have isshin at 90% crit. I tested it out a little and having renji go first made a difference of about 2 million damage for me, so it was worth it.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-4 16:56:43

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 13:48
Another thing you could do is put your best speed hogu on him. Even if main and isshin have identi ...

Thats my exact setup. Thanks for confirming it

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-4 16:58:47

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 16:48
Another thing you could do is put your best speed hogu on him. Even if main and isshin have identi ...

Ok. Thanks for the tip. Is there like certain formation postions I should put them? I usually put main on middle and isshin on top. Kenpachi on bottom, Don't know if it makes any difference though.

One last thing, since I use 2-2-1 formation, during ES and ryoka, I put isshin's gear, which is his best damage dealing gear to kenpachi. Then I put my vanguard's gear to isshin. I take out some hogus, accesories, to fix speeds, thus I make isshin fastest assaulter. Is that good enough? Giving isshin vanguard gear, which does very little damage.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-9-4 18:26:31

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 16:58
Ok. Thanks for the tip. Is there like certain formation postions I should put them? I usually pu ...

Yeah that sounds fine to me. And position in formation doesn't do anything lol. Just put them wherever looks nicest to you, it's purely aesthetic.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-5 13:36:01

Get him.. Isshin is really good.. I personally don't use him outside of pve because I'm like 100% sure hes probably gonna get another nerf.. and I just prefer 1 round wins, I'm not into the whole combo thing.. I run Shinso, Yama, and Sexy yoruichi

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-5 14:01:39

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-5 13:36
Get him.. Isshin is really good.. I personally don't use him outside of pve because I'm like 100% su ...

I thought the same, but then, I don't want to waste so much silver into exp scrolls trying to level pvp partners that don't do events. That's why I want my pvp team to also be pve.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-5 23:53:46

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-5 14:01
I thought the same, but then, I don't want to waste so much silver into exp scrolls trying to leve ...

Lease partners are same level as your main.. no extra waste there buddy..

author: benoit-jr time: 2015-9-10 15:28:23

cool

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-10 16:09:38

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-4 13:21
check this battle report and judge for your self
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=5708482 ...

who r u of those 2? both of them seem op, ishin user got lucky though

author: Suzuken time: 2015-9-10 16:24:26

thepoke007 replied at 2015-9-11 00:09
who r u of those 2? both of them seem op, ishin user got lucky though

am non of them the isshin dude is name 92915129 (numbers) here on the forums i found this battle report in a thread
and yeah if isshin died there he wouldn't have stood a chance

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-10 18:20:04

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-10 22:24
am non of them the isshin dude is name 92915129 (numbers) here on the forums i found this battle re ...

my bad saw ur reply about battle rep after i asked, n yeah the battle was a do or die, intersting battle also,

using ishin too, n looking to final evo him, u don't know if there is some fury boost on evo do you?

author: Suzuken time: 2015-9-10 18:27:58

thepoke007 replied at 2015-9-11 02:20
my bad saw ur reply about battle rep after i asked, n yeah the battle was a do or die, intersting ...

nnnnnnnnope sorry

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