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author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-16 12:48:40 Title: BUFFS THAT OVERWRITE ZANGETSU

Does anybody what buffs would overwrite zangetsu's skill during ryoka or ES? I'm planning to get zangetsu in reio and also gonna get cute orhime so I can replace my rukia with her. Now I think zangetsu gives damage or attack boost to all partners. My question is if I use my 9th skill will that overwrite it or will it stack? Likewise same as cute orihime, if she skills, will her skill overwrite zangetsu's skill or will it overwrite my main's 9th skill.

author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-9-16 12:52:45

believe the 9th skill would stack with zangetsu , not sure what orihime's skill is but if its damage boost then i believe that it would stack as well, if its increase attack then it would over ride since its a complete different buff

author: shadarlo time: 2015-9-16 13:07:45

Edited by shadarlo at 2015-9-16 13:20

Cute overwrites Zang currently, it's a bug or a mis-written description for Cute.  She gives Damage buff currently, not attack like her description says.  Zang gives damage as well.

Zang + Cute is a bad combo, she hurts your dmg a bit.  But there's not many good options, Dark Rukia overwrites it as well.
EDIT> 9th skill works just fine with Zang since they are different, you can have 1 attack and 1 damage buff at a time.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-16 14:26:12

shadarlo replied at 2015-9-16 13:07
Cute overwrites Zang currently, it's a bug or a mis-written description for Cute. She gives Damage ...

Hmm so cute and d.rukia buffs overwrite zangetsu, that's not good. Is it better then in this case to have muramasa in pve and use him so that the buffs don't overwrite with cute orhime's buff? I didn't get him yesterday because I wanted zangetsu thinking my damage would be greater in pve, but what I didn't think of is the buffs that would overwritten.

So, can it be said then that muramasa with cute orhime and main 9th skill, could give damage to pve equal to a sogyo? Don't think the damage of muramasa with cute orihime will be enough to equal zangetsu, but at least it should be enough to equal sogyo. Plus there's that 130% reiatsu bonus, 5 % more than sogyo and zangetsu.

author: SosaRey time: 2015-9-16 17:08:17

I remember some skills stacked before. I think they had to do with attack because sogyo was involved, but not anymore.

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-16 17:20:39

the way i see it to avoid all the buff overwhrites is this a 1 3 1 team including noza or demon ichigo or a 2 3 0 team including shinso or some crazy sup hitters, d rukia n inoue not at there full advantage with getsu

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-16 18:30:24

Edited by MikkyX at 2015-9-16 18:34

thepoke007 replied at 2015-9-16 17:20
the way i see it to avoid all the buff overwhrites is this a 1 3 1 team including noza or demon ichi ...

Zangetsu mainly to get the most damage in pve events like ryoka or ES, and I was thinking of getting cute orihime but her skill would overwrite zangetsu, same as d. rukia, so was wondering if muramasa would be a better choice then, even though his damage on assaulters isn't high, the buffs wouldn't overwrite and i could use 9th skill, along with cute orhime's skill who gives damage on assaulters and vanguard no problem, and muramasa has 130% reiatsu bonus, 5% higher than zangetsu.

Basically wanted to know of supporters who would get the most damage from using zangetsu. I currently use kisuke, rukia, but I need to change rukia, and s.gin is out of my budget.
I use 3-2 on ES and on ryoka 3-2, then 2-2-1 to put vanguard on.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-16 18:38:15

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-16 18:47

If your using zangetsu, i think he gives 15% dmg rate boost to everyone, in that case C. ori is bad news for you..

I would go with

Shinso/kisuke + Retsu kenpachi or jushiro

then use isshin + beserk renji/Sexy yourichi for AS

MC using 9th skill

Shins/kisuke gives fury to everyone

retsu kenapchi high damage dealer and recovers +35 fury and +52 on crit

Jushiro because he recovers +100 fury and 150 on crit, 10 extra fury over 100 is converted into dmg by .25 or something like that, and he attacks at 190% + he is tavern and F2p

Isshin because he is combo rate allows AS to skill off twice, and as a result also generates fury for them two +50 in fact

Beserk renji because he gives him self +100 fury 150 on crit, and then buffs entire team crit rate for 1 round by +45% and increases his Crit dmg by 50% and attacks at 280% EVERY ROUND AND WITH ISSHIN TWICE!!!!!!!!!!

MC [ main character ] using 9th skill for attack bonus on AS +15%

Sexy yourichi because she will buff SP by 12%, and give fury to everyone attacking at 305% and has a high chance to combo with one other assualter [ but beserk renji is better with zangetsu ]

I hope this helps you

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-16 18:42:06

mmm a sup giving most dmg from zangetsu excluding high costt partners, gonna be tough ur best shot would be c inoue at least she gives extra blok to assault lines, as for muramasa i'd see him more of pvp than pve but this one i don't have insight on it

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-16 18:57:41

thepoke007 replied at 2015-9-16 18:42
mmm a sup giving most dmg from zangetsu excluding high costt partners, gonna be tough ur best shot w ...

Yeah I know muramasa is pvp, but I thought that with the extra 5 percent reiatsu bonus, also with the buffs, like 9th skill and c.orhime's skill buff that would make up for it or at least give damage close to a sogyo. I would expect that zangetsu's damage still be higher but not significantly higher, yet I can't compare as I don't have him.

If his damage difference muramasa and zangetsu, wasn't too much of a difference, using c.orhime, then wouldn't muramasa be a better option. Yet again as I don't have neither I can't compare.

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-16 19:01:32

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-17 00:57
Yeah I know muramasa is pvp, but I thought that with the extra 5 percent reiatsu bonus, also with ...

same i can't tell anything about mura, i did used an account once with zangetsu from what i can tell he's very good for pve also, the speed on him was very triky but u could use him with skill 9 since 9th skill doesn't give dmg but attak so it can stack, as for c inoue on the equation i still don't fnid any solution.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-16 19:07:02

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-16 18:38
If your using zangetsu, i think he gives 15% dmg rate boost to everyone, in that case C. ori is bad ...

I do have kisuke, but I don't have the budget for shinso nor berserk renji nor retsu kenpachi. I do have isshin though, thanks to lease. I could also get sexy yoroichi, but her skill would overwrite zangetsu I think, at least for supporters that is.

I was just curious because most people say zangetsu is best for pve, that is if you can't afford senbon or tensa. But then I saw the buff he does, which is damage, and I see people that use c.orhime as support and that got me thinking, what a waste of damage buffs as they're not using her fully because they overwrite, damage that is.

That got me thinking, muramasa even though he's pvp, he would benefit greatly from c.orhimes buffs, and mura has 5% more bonus reiatsu than zangetsu, plus his fortify effects is 180 compared to 170 from zangetsu, so I really wanted to know if the difference would be significant comparing these two in pve taking all this into account.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-16 19:08:38

thepoke007 replied at 2015-9-16 19:01
same i can't tell anything about mura, i did used an account once with zangetsu from what i can te ...

Me neither but I see videos, people that have c.orhime with zangetsu, and I think it's because of the block bonus or because they got him maybe before muramasa, or because maybe zangetsu is simply better than muramasa, even with buffs.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-16 19:09:05

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-16 19:07
I do have kisuke, but I don't have the budget for shinso nor berserk renji nor retsu kenpachi. I ...

well, the best thing to do at this point is to try them out and test them

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-16 19:16:20

did try her once didn't find her satisfying that's why i'm building a 1 3 1 team for pve ura to give fury t1 the rest main ishin csb ken n nozarashi (in process) using zzabimaru since don't have getsu as i said only tried him on a friend account

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-16 21:49:31

Same with Tensa?

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-16 22:08:36

bwg2469 replied at 2015-9-16 21:49
Same with Tensa?

what do you mean? Yeah, the zan always skills off first then partners, which then overwrites it...

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-16 23:42:41

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-16 19:08
what do you mean? Yeah, the zan always skills off first then partners, which then overwrites it...

I always ask again to make sure that Tensa isn't the best setup with Cute.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-17 00:05:04

bwg2469 replied at 2015-9-16 23:42
I always ask again to make sure that Tensa isn't the best setup with Cute.

tensa gives off +18% right?

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-17 00:06:57

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-16 21:05
tensa gives off +18% right?

No clue, another note, I was going to get Ultimate Aizen today anddddddd HMA is bugged for me LOL

author: [email protected] time: 2015-9-17 00:18:49

bwg2469 replied at 2015-9-17 00:06
No clue, another note, I was going to get Ultimate Aizen today anddddddd HMA is bugged for me LOL

What happened??

I will get him this week or start of next week...

Well, i am not levle 130 yet so more realistically start of next month... not like i need him though haha

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-17 01:05:49

thepoke007 replied at 2015-9-16 19:16
did try her once didn't find her satisfying that's why i'm building a 1 3 1 team for pve ura to give ...

Nice plan, I was thinking of that to replace my rukia, but I wonder, if you only use kisuke, will that be enough to make isshin skill every round? Because if I'm not mistaken even with combo, I'm not sure that isshin will be skilling every round. I usually relied on kisuke and rukia to do this, because since he comboes, he gets one extra attack, but he'd need 50 more fury to skill again, that's why I used kisuke, rukia, but I'm not sure that if with only kisuke, the damage would decrease or be higher.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-17 01:08:55

bwg2469 replied at 2015-9-17 00:06
No clue, another note, I was going to get Ultimate Aizen today anddddddd HMA is bugged for me LOL

Yeah I hear a lot of people complain about HMA been bugged. What I'd suggest is do or exchange stuff at HMA one hour after reset. I used to do HMA immediately after reset and it was bugged. Now I do it one hour before reset and it's fine, but if you do it one hour after reset, I think you won't have any problems.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-17 01:12:47

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-16 22:08
what do you mean? Yeah, the zan always skills off first then partners, which then overwrites it...

Well a guy in my server has a very well built team and makes sure nothing is overwritten. He has sogyo, he uses 8th skill and has cute orhime and sexy yoroichi. Sogyo boosts everybody's attack, cute orhime gives damage buff to assaulters and vanguard and sexy yoroichi gives damage buff to supporters.

NO buffs overwritten nor nothing, so he does very good damage in ES and ryoka. Too bad he doesn't have isshin to increase it more.

author: thepoke007 time: 2015-9-17 03:09:19

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-17 07:05
Nice plan, I was thinking of that to replace my rukia, but I wonder, if you only use kisuke, will ...

i tried ryoka once with my pvp ishin and main skills every turn for 3 turns i have whatched maybe it was a fluke or not i'll rewhatch today again and see,

i use pvp now cuz of laziness but also to lvl my stark and yoru/aizen

author: shadarlo time: 2015-9-17 09:18:45

I personally don't think Muramasa is a good Zan for anyone with Isshin. You need Isshin to be your fastest partner, no ifs ands or buts. Zangestsu is your best choice unless you can get Tensa or Senbon.

You'll do the same or more damage with Rukia than Cute Orihime... at least my guild mate who tried her out with lease for a day said his damage dropped a tiny bit from rukia to cute when using Zang. I'd think the block increase would make it a wash, but apparently not. This is good news though since you have rukia already... just keep her. Wait to see if they fix Cute and make her attack like she's supposed to be... then she'll mess with skill 9 instead

Sogyo + Cute + Sexy + Isshin is a great combo. Use skill 8 and enjoy. Sexy is an utter beast for PvE. She's dramatically better than cute if you had to pick one or the other to invest a little money into (I have both).

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-17 12:43:04

shadarlo replied at 2015-9-17 09:18
I personally don't think Muramasa is a good Zan for anyone with Isshin. You need Isshin to be your ...

Thing with sogyo though is pvp. Pve he'd be very very good, but outside, for pvp, since the lack of speed, he isn't very good.

As for muramasa and isshin, I think since muramasa gives speed to supporters, you can focus your high agility stones on isshin to compensate the lack of speed buffs on him. Though I can't be very certain how effective this is as I've never tried it. It's all hypothetical.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-9-17 12:45:11

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-16 21:18
What happened??

I will get him this week or start of next week...

Shitty Charter Internet lagged out and it didn't reset haha

author: shadarlo time: 2015-9-18 08:13:12

Edited by shadarlo at 2015-9-18 08:15

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-17 12:43
Thing with sogyo though is pvp. Pve he'd be very very good, but outside, for pvp, since the lack ...

It's not effective.  Isshin MUST be ultra fast or you lose, simple as that.  If you're still winning then your opponent simply isn't very strong anyhow and who cares.  You cannot "make up for" anything when it comes to Isshin's speed, he must get every single advantage or you will be losing to people weaker than you that have better speed on their isshin.

On my server we're at a pure speed race now.  We have 5 people who alternate between #1 spot and that spans about 350,000bp (1.3 to 1.65 mil bp).  The lowest of those guys uses Isshin as T1 with Zang.  I use Sexy yoru as T1 still and she combo's into Isshin about 33% of the time so those times Isshin is the same speed as Sexy for me and I can T1 him still.  In a few days ill have Isshin to T1 via Evo +5 fury, then I can beat more people again.

As to Sogyo, I was speaking purely PvE.  For PvP Sogyo blows badly now... the fortify update made Sogyo a useless PvP zan because it can't be fortified with speed.

EDIT> To prove this point, you have more BP than I do, but I beat you in CSB without much trouble at all because my Isshin is faster than yours

author: MikkyX time: 2015-9-18 12:53:11

shadarlo replied at 2015-9-18 08:13
It's not effective. Isshin MUST be ultra fast or you lose, simple as that. If you're still winnin ...

Well for isshin I could use muramasa with gin. I put gin T1 and stun in 1st round, boom. But that aside, wow congratz on almost getting 5 fury on isshin's evolution. I am still at evolution 5.

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