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author: fcalife    time: 2014-9-14 02:20:46     Title: Gold Reishi acquisition rate (UPDATED Sep 16th)

Edited by fcalife at 2014-9-16 01:20

Hello everybody!

Based on some testing, I have noted the average rate at which you accrue Gold Reishi while using Janken. This was done by me primarily to determine if 10x auto janken and manual janken yield have significantly different success rates, but I thought I would share the general findings, anyway.

SHINJI TAB (lv70 tavern):
- 10x Auto Janken: 11.7 reishi per 1 million silver spent;
- Manual Janken: 14.8 reishi per 1 million silver spent;

This means that you need, for gold partners, on average:

- 1000 reishi partner: 85.3 million silver (auto janken), 67.6 million silver (manual janken);
- 1200 reishi partner: 102.4 million silver (auto janken), 81.1 million silver (manual janken);
- 1500 reishi partner: 127.9 million silver (auto janken), 101.4 million silver (manual janken);

Results so far indicate, with ~75% certainty, that manual janken is, indeed, better than auto janken, resulting in 21% cheaper partners. This result is not yet conclusive, though - I will keep updating it as I get better sample data (i.e. more samples).

URAHARA TAB (lv80 tavern):
- 10x Auto Janken: 16.6 reishi per 1 million silver spent;
- Manual Janken: no data yet;

This means that you need, for gold partners, on average:

- 1000 reishi partner: 60.2 million silver (auto janken);
- 1200 reishi partner: 72.2 million silver (auto janken);
- 1500 reishi partner: 90.2 million silver (auto janken);

Very important finding: Please notice that the lv80 Tavern yields significantly more reishi than the lv70 tavern, on auto janken. I am inclined to think that, with the current sample size, this has a very low chance to be a statistical anomaly. I strongly advise to accumulate reishi using the lv80 tavern as soon as it becomes available, instead of the lv70 one.

Comparison between lv70 and lv80 taverns:

- Partner price (in silver): ~30% (!) cheaper on lv80 tavern;
- Average wins (per janken game): 0.49 (LV70 tavern), 0.77 (LV80 tavern);


*** NOTES ***

- Current sample size: 550 auto jankens, 100 manual jankens (still not large enough);
- There is roughly a 25% chance that the yield from auto janken and manual janken are actually the same, and the currently observed difference is just a statistical deviation.
- I will update this post as more accurate data becomes available.

If you want to help this experiment, you can! Just send me reliable data from manual or auto janken, in the following format (separate for each type of janken):

- number of attempts
- total reishi gained
- total silver spent
- page used

Best Regards!

author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-14 02:28:29

It cost me about 58million to get Sajin (1000 Gold Reshi). Its just based on luck tho. I played all that thru manual cuz i realiezed you can waste 3mil and get 10 gold reshi.
author: yamivegeta    time: 2014-9-14 04:28:29

tommymac009 replied at 2014-9-14 01:28
It cost me about 58million to get Sajin (1000 Gold Reshi). Its just based on luck tho. I played all  ...

How about spending 3 mil and getting 3 reishi?
Happened more than once already.
The most I got once was 54.
author: Monolith    time: 2014-9-14 05:54:19

Nice to see a scientific Approach to that... Thank you for that.
I am really curious about your attempts with different pages.
The first one, Shinji etc., Auto janken sucked really hard for me. But the second one with Byakuya, Kisuke and so one, gives actually pretty nice amounts of reishi.
Keep it up
author: shirakawa2007    time: 2014-9-14 10:00:04

I spent over 35mil to get 500 gold reishi for Sajin... Now trying to reach 66mil to attempt a new recruit...
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-14 10:12:08

Hmmm thats a good calculation u suggest us to not auto junken than but i cant win mostly first round even how can we got lucky like u calculated :S
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-14 12:54:21

I think there is a pattern but its still not 100%. Some partners seem to be baised to a certain pick. For example I notice Urahara usually play rock most of the times. 70% of the times I play rock on him I win, but if he appears again in the round right after he usually plays something else (paper or scissors). I think manual is more effective too, but sometimes losing several times on first round can be very frustrating.
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-14 13:20:24

yamivegeta replied at 2014-9-14 03:28
How about spending 3 mil and getting 3 reishi?
Happened more than once already.
The most I got onc ...

your lucky, cuz the best i got over autoing is 15
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-14 13:40:26

I just spent about 100m silver to get 2k reishi for Gin at lvl 100, now working on the next 2k for Stark, or saving it up for a 110 partner at 3k reishi.
author: fcalife    time: 2014-9-14 13:42:24

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-14 12:40
I just spent about 100m silver to get 2k reishi for Gin at lvl 100, now working on the next 2k for S ...

If you have the exact data (i.e. exactly 103.2million silver for example) and the mode you used to obtain this Reishi (manual or auto), I'll add it to my data set. Thanks!
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-14 13:46:21

fcalife replied at 2014-9-14 12:42
If you have the exact data (i.e. exactly 103.2million silver for example) and the mode you used to ...

I used auto the entire time, now granted a few hundred of that (maybe 300?) was from other sources, reward boxes, ect. I know I spent 60m, and 20m and another 20m to get from 0 reishi to 2050 reishi, but as I said 200 to 300 of that 2050 was other sources.
author: fcalife    time: 2014-9-14 13:57:20

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-14 12:46
I used auto the entire time, now granted a few hundred of that (maybe 300?) was from other sources ...

Thanks for the heads-up - although this would likely not distort the results by much, I'd rather not include estimates within the dataset. Also, I would need to know the number of attempts you had, in order to weigh your results properly.

Best regards!
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-15 05:24:28

I don't know if it helps with  your stats but the highest count of gold reishi I got from auto was 69 and 59 on lvl 70 tavern
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-16 00:12:24

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-15 04:24
I don't know if it helps with  your stats but the highest count of gold reishi I got from auto was 6 ...

hows that possible? You were lucky enough to get 466 or 366 every round and win?
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-16 00:35:12

tommymac009 replied at 2014-9-15 23:12
hows that possible? You were lucky enough to get 466 or 366 every round and win?

I got a 74 of a x10 auto, and 2nd highest was just now, a 64. Got 4.1k gold reishi waiting on level 100
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-16 01:01:41

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-15 23:35
I got a 74 of a x10 auto, and 2nd highest was just now, a 64. Got 4.1k gold reishi waiting on leve ...

Wow really? Who you trying to get at lvl 100 beside gin.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-16 01:14:52

tommymac009 replied at 2014-9-16 00:01
Wow really? Who you trying to get at lvl 100 beside gin.

Gin and Stark
author: fcalife    time: 2014-9-16 02:20:42

Sep 16th: updated main post with relevant comparison between lv70 and lv80 taverns.
author: Evild4nte    time: 2014-9-16 09:28:32

fcalife replied at 2014-9-16 01:20
Sep 16th: updated main post with relevant comparison between lv70 and lv80 taverns.

I had the same impression, that i got much more at lv 80 janken.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-16 11:29:10

spend 60mil to get 1090 gold reishi use lvl 80 janken
author: fcalife    time: 2014-9-16 12:19:19

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-16 10:29
spend 60mil to get 1090 gold reishi use lvl 80 janken

Thank you!!
author: reikoka    time: 2014-9-16 13:06:41

I'm about to hit 90 on my server as well. Will post some of the amounts I get from auto here to help out since I have enough silver to run quite a few. Trying to get a couple of the 90 partners.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-16 19:23:21

tommymac009 replied at 2014-9-15 23:12
hows that possible? You were lucky enough to get 466 or 366 every round and win?

I didn't say every round
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-16 21:54:22

Edited by [email protected] at 2014-9-16 20:55
fcalife replied at 2014-9-16 11:19
Thank you!!

25 million silver for 450 gold reishi
Level 90 janken x10 Auto
Nnoitra tab
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-17 08:45:19

508 Gold Rieshi cost me 49134 Silver. All done Manually. No auto.
author: Brahmastra    time: 2014-9-17 09:39:34

I'd like to add that the Urahara tab, level 80, seems to be way more rewarding than the Shinji tab.
Judging by people their comments I'd say that the higher level you are, the easier it becomes to get gold reishi.
author: everflames    time: 2014-9-17 10:37:34

I'm glad it isn't just me. Level 80 janken definitely seems to give more reishi.
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2014-9-17 15:27:26

Edited by KrisKingOfLegend at 2014-9-17 14:28

43.795k (million) for 950 exact gold rei @ lvl 80 auto janken 10 x's only
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-17 18:25:13

I am not sure exactly, but most of the time, you can win at-least 3 reishi in the lv70 tavern per try, so that makes 3 about 200k.

I think it took me about 25~30 mil to get 500, so the 60mil for 1000 is pretty accurate for the lv70 one at-least.
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-18 01:13:24

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-17 07:45
508 Gold Rieshi cost me 49134 Silver. All done Manually. No auto.

wow, your really unlucky if thats what you get for playing mannually with that silver. 55mil is my regular for getting 1000 reshi
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 08:39:27

Aye, my Janken luck is super poor, but i deal with the cards I'm dealt lol.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-19 01:37:15

Highest i've gotten in awhile on one x10.
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2014-9-19 01:39:48

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-19 00:37
Highest i've gotten in awhile on one x10.

the first timei reached lvl 70 and did auto for the 5 th time to get fox face i gotten 72 on it
author: essamelshamy    time: 2014-9-19 08:38:15

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-14 11:54
I think there is a pattern but its still not 100%. Some partners seem to be baised to a certain pick ...

very true but it works llike that if shinj + sajin + tier are the one u will play against .shinj will use  acertain one then sajin then tier so if u memorized their moves u can win however their is 3 different possibles for each formation so if u win against shinj with rock and lost to sajin try next time if u won with rock not to choose the 1 u lost to sajin . its quite hard to get it but not impossible.
author: reikoka    time: 2014-9-19 21:44:04

Ok, I've done about 35 auto on the lvl 90 groups and have a general view of how much you get per 10. Out of the 35 runs I got an average of somewhere between 20-40 reiatsu per auto and only got less then 20 about 3 times. The lowest amounts I got was 1 time getting 8 and the highest I got was 41. It seems that this lvl gives more constant amounts then the other 2.
author: korogan    time: 2014-9-19 22:05:31

after spending 6m silver on lvl80 tavern i got 85 reishi, hope it helps with your calculation
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-19 22:05:42

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-19 01:37
Highest i've gotten in awhile on one x10.

do you play jaken throughout each day silver you obtain? or do you save up like atleast 50mil then start playing it?
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-19 22:31:10

tommymac009 replied at 2014-9-19 21:05
do you play jaken throughout each day silver you obtain? or do you save up like atleast 50mil then ...

I make about 40-50 million silver a day, usually do it around 25-30m
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-9-19 22:48:04

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-19 22:31
I make about 40-50 million silver a day, usually do it around 25-30m

Cough coough!!!!! What the hell? NVM
author: PAOFUI    time: 2014-9-19 23:33:53

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-19 21:31
I make about 40-50 million silver a day, usually do it around 25-30m



wow ... thts nice... due to the high lvl n vip... not surprised...

ryoka can gif u tons of silver if u can snipe n kill almost everyone for the period of 30mins...
so tht for u might b 30m at least...

i myself onli earns about 10m approx daily n maybe on lucky days might get 20m n above...
my ryoka event is damm bad... dun hav the skills n luck for it...

onli got like once silver... n the rest all chest n stones... zzzz...
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-19 23:42:56

PAOFUI replied at 2014-9-19 22:33
wow ... thts nice... due to the high lvl n vip... not surprised...

ryoka can gif u tons of sil ...

I don't have to snipe, I can one shot them up to around wave 23.
author: PAOFUI    time: 2014-9-19 23:45:11


yeah i know u dun hav to snipe... i am sayin others... those tht cant 1 shot kill...

anyway just wonderin... how much dmg do u need to 1 shot them ?

author: Asarfrasr13    time: 2014-9-20 13:40:52

huhm http://prntscr.com/4onx6m
author: BaltasGatto    time: 2014-9-20 21:28:08

Asarfrasr13 replied at 2014-9-20 12:40
huhm http://prntscr.com/4onx6m

owo I hope I don't get that luck as u got it
author: Robenator    time: 2014-9-20 21:30:24

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-20 05:42
I don't have to snipe, I can one shot them up to around wave 23.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, so jelly
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-20 21:40:34

PAOFUI replied at 2014-9-19 22:45
yeah i know u dun hav to snipe... i am sayin others... those tht cant 1 shot kill...

anyway just w ...

I dunno, first wave is only 6 million something hp.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-20 22:02:56

İts good to see that im not alone




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author: PAOFUI    time: 2014-9-20 22:07:36

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-20 20:40
I dunno, first wave is only 6 million something hp.


wow... i dun do 6m dmg per round... hics... maybe 2.6m i guess...

dang long way more to go b4 gettin a 1 shot
author: yamivegeta    time: 2014-9-27 17:50:30

Well, today I hit lvl 80 and I went ahead to try my luck on the level 80 Tavern.

So this is what I got:

Silver Used: 153.780.000
Gold Reishi Gained: 2260

I've made 96 Auto-jankens, of which 8 were under 10 Gold reishi. My highest roll was 56 Gold reishi, and my lowest 3.
About 30% of the rolls were between 10-20 Gold Reishi, roughly 10% was under 10 Gold reishi, 5% over 40 Gold Reishi, and the rest mostly between 20-30 Gold Reishi.
I've seen no big differece between lvl 70 and lvl 80 tavern honestly.

What else I found out, maybe it'll interest someone:

You need 132 Epic Experience Scrolls to level a Tavern partner from 70-80, which amounts to 396 Gold Reishi.
author: shirakawa2007    time: 2014-10-10 18:56:45

Well, last night I hit level 80, and I tried tavern. These are the partial results:

Attempts: 100
Tab used: Urahara
Janken Mode: all Manual, I'm Vip 0
Silver used: 16.920.000
Reishi obtained: 360

Now just some stuff :

They used Rock at first stage 35 times, Scissors 33 times and Paper 32 times (100/100 - of course, because win or lose, you always plays the first one)

At second stage, Rock 20 times, Scissors 18 times and Paper 21 times.
(59/100)

Finally, at third stage, Rock 5 times, Scissors 6 times and Paper 8 times.
(19/100)

When I'll reach the 1000 golden reishi, I'll update the data with the totals.
author: yamivegeta    time: 2014-10-25 19:56:46

Okay gonna update this a bit, since I just hit lvl 90, and went to try my luck on the 90 Tavern.

This is what I got, all auto-janken:

Silver Used: 262.860.000
Gold Reishi Gained: 4405

I've spent exactly 60.120.000 silver for my first 1000 gold reishi at lvl 90.

If I compare it with the lvl 80 Tavern results, I can say it's way better. At least that's how it was for me. Lots of rolls over 20-30. Very few rolls under 20. Highest I got was 57.

Something else that might interest someone:

You need 348 Epic Experience Scrolls to level a Tavern partner from 80-90, which amounts to 1044 Gold Reishi.
author: Leitzur    time: 2014-10-28 23:15:04

i usually do manual janken and get 4-6m per 100 gold reishi. around 4m at each 100 gold reishi if lucky, if get very unlucky is around 6m (almost never 7m)
author: HalfW1ng    time: 2014-10-29 04:34:36

yamivegeta replied at 2014-10-25 18:56
Okay gonna update this a bit, since I just hit lvl 90, and went to try my luck on the 90 Tavern.

Th ...

Very interesting data. Please keep updating this thread as you clear higher levels.

Appreciate the effort you have put in.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-11-1 11:22:51

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-11-1 10:24
yamivegeta replied at 2014-10-25 18:56
Okay gonna update this a bit, since I just hit lvl 90, and went to try my luck on the 90 Tavern.

Th ...

Your results fall into the same category as the lv80 tavern.

From my personal experience, i had a little bit less luck and it took me about 65-70 mil to get 1000 gold reishi in the Lv80 tavern, but the math in this thread shows that, the average is 60mil per 1000 for the Lv80.
I'll also update this thread with the numbers i got from 30 mil auto janken.


I used 30mil.

First 10 mil - 160 Reishi
Second 10 mil - 130 Reishi
Third 10 mil - 120 Reishi

To a total of about 410 for 30 million silver.

Which in result means that i would need about 73mil to get 1000.

That was with auto-janken in the lv80 tavern.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-11-2 05:42:46

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-11-2 05:01

Alright, time to update the thread with my manual janken.

Just so you know, this was a major pain in the ass.

I did 50 million silver worth of Manual Janken in the Lv80 Tavern, here are the results:


First 10 mil, 61 tries - 124 reishi
Second 10 mil, 62 tries - 167 reishi
Third 10 mil, 57 tries - 178 reishi
Fourth 10 mil, 60 tries - 159 reishi
Fifth 10 mil, 55 tries - 178 reishi

The amount of tries is different because of the random amount of silver gained/spent for various combinations of janken win/losses.

So here you go, for 50 mil (295 tries) of manual janken, in total i earned: 806 Golden Reishi


Also for the sake of statistics, i did another 5 Janken and gained 36 reishi.

So 300 Tries of manual janken - 841 Golden Reishi.

If that is enough statistics to get the manual section started, then go ahead

So out of 51 mil , i gained 841 Golden Reishi, at this rate - 60,5 mil - 1000 Reishi.
In the end, it is as you said:
- the yield from auto janken and manual janken are actually the same, and the currently observed difference is just a statistical deviation.
author: ajoalex    time: 2014-11-30 08:00:17

i just tried my first 10m , got 184 gold reishi, lvl 80 tavern. will do more and post later.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-30 08:58:04

Leitzur replied at 2014-10-28 22:15
i usually do manual janken and get 4-6m per 100 gold reishi. around 4m at each 100 gold reishi if lu ...

same rate with me

max of 390 GR for 15m silver
author: lmavenl    time: 2014-11-30 09:47:09

Well this would help.
author: iz4n4minok4mi    time: 2014-11-30 11:27:19

Well if you have luck like me (6 gold reishi for 3mil in lvl 70 tavern) three times in a row then manual is definitely better even if you loose half the time in the first round...
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-1-7 12:20:06

bump.........
author: iz4n4minok4mi    time: 2015-7-18 07:11:59

Tried my own research when i needed large amount of xp books. Might help some new ppl who still dont have their favourite tavern :-)
Both times i used auto janken and in both times it needed +- 175 mil silver for 105 tries
110 tavern 2628 reishi gained
100 tavern 2818 reishi gained
Will be trying 90 and 80 tavern today because I need large amount of reishi for xp books again



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