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author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-17 17:59:49     Title: Harribel vs Momo? Level 50 gold

Is level 50 gold Harribel better than Momo?

Or maybe Yaumchi for controlling supports?

Who at level 50 gold ranking should you recruiting in the tavern for 1000 Reishi if anyone?

Also assulters, I have 2 sets of level 5 counters but people are saying block is better? or do you use both block and counter?

I am running

1 2 2

Sado (VG)
(Main Ghost Blade) (AS) and Renj (AS)
Momo (Support) Orehimei (Support)

I have rukia as well.

Momo seems ok for pvp but I seem to have to use anti control soul skill on main with this comp

I kinda wanna run 1 3 1 and use rukia with 3 fast assaulters and just win on the 1st round.

Anyway any advuce will be greatly appreciated

I am on server 52 currently ranked 1 overall level 56 (5th day server is out)
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-17 18:31:19

Yes she is better than Momo, but i would not advise spending 1000 gold reishi just to replace a support that you already have, upgrading its version.

First of all, to compete in lv70+ content for PvE, you will need Yoruichi, because support mobs become too beastly to handle, without fully upgraded 70+ gear, which is not very wise to make, or cheap, nor realistic until later in the 70ties.

If you want a assaulter composition, you should have topped up to get rangiku, and you would have had main/rangiku/renji for your 1-3-1 composition, but rangiku falls of hard at lv65+,  so depending on how fast you level up, i wouldn't strongly recommend getting her at this point.

Sado also falls off really fast at 70+, so replacing him with Komamura is a must , if you want to be able to even do PvE content, not to mention that his massive defense boost, makes him an overall better tank even in PvP.

So you basically need 2000 reishi for yoruichi and komamura, you can skip yoruichi and suffer until much later levels to fight the espada and save your other reishi for lv80+ partners, but it'll be hard and annoying at best.

Another great partner to have leveled up, is actually Ichigo, if you want to run a assaulter killing composition, i strongly recommend him, because you can't really replace him until much later, and by much later, i mean lv90+.

author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-17 18:55:17

I though Lisa and renji were better than free ichigo, I have reng as well, Renji and Lisa. But if you are saying level ichigo ok, but why?

Also what about Kensei for assaulter?

Or does 70-80 come a bit fast and I just need to be patient?

If that is the case gear?

I have forged some 50 gold stuff and full 50 purple sets and have both sets of level 1 ultimate gear or w/e you buy with gold.

I will be getting the level 60 Balrog set for 1 of my characters

Is there anything else I should focus on, whats the usual progression with gear?

author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-17 19:18:18

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-9-17 18:24

Yes exactly, 80 comes way too fast, i made 500 Reishi by the time i was level 75~76, so getting a whole 1000 reishi takes you about the exact time you'll need to get from 70 to 80, you can't exactly waste that reishi either because every bit is precious. (Altho i did have to use about 70-80 gold reishi to level up Kommamura to 70 and transfer my gear from Sado to him).

Kensei is a slightly upgraded version of Renji, he is good, but no THAT good, and as i said, you will not have 3000 reishi to spare to get him, Komamura and Yoruichi, which are higher priority.

Now about Lisa and Ichigo, Renji falls into a different category than the previous two, because Lisa and Ichigo are used in Assaulter rush killing builds, these builds empathize going around the sturdy Vanguard, directly to the squishy assaulter back line and killing them before they can kill your own assaulters, in which case Ichigo has lower base stats than Lisa, but he has one big, big, huge actually advantage over her.
Unlike Lisa, Ichigo only needs 50 fury to get his engine roaring, and then his skill enables him to get 100 fury each time he uses it, basically letting him hit the enemy assaulter line every turn after the first, which i repeat, is a huge advantage.
If you can't kill the enemy assaulter line in one shot with lisa, then you should probably not even get her and waste precious EXP and time on her. (Yes EXP is precious and if you level about random partners, you'll end up having to buy reishi tomes.)

So with that said, Ichigo is a bit weaker stat wise, but he can constantly hit the assaulter line, while Lisa needs two auto attacks to charge up her special skill and go for the assaulters again, by which time, ichigo would have already did 260% damage on them, while lisa only 135%. And honestly, Ichigo is like not that much weaker than Lisa in general, he has 0.1/0.1/0.1 STR/AGI/WIS less, but has higher stamina by 0.3, which offsets the other stats.

Alright, now that those questions are answered, lets see what else you asked...

Gear, my suggestion is, make one lv70 red set for your Vanguard, and fully upgraded it to the limit, then Make a pair of weapon and boots for your main, and don't bother with the lv70 set afterwards, because you will notice that you will be gasping for Blue/Red stars, to spirit forge the gear.
It is very expenssive to make a full red set, and even just weapon and boots take 40 Hollowfire Stones to make them red, which is a lot of stars, that you will need for the lv80 set, because as you will notice - the lv80 set costs the same amount of stars as the Lv70 set, so better not waste all of them on lv70, plus you will most likely spend ALL your stars on making just ONE set and a few extra parts, so  you will end up needing to gather for the other lv70 set parts as you level past 70 - not very efficient.

As for your gold sets, replace all your purple gear with gold and wear that gold until 80 pretty much, except the gear that i mentioned above.

As for Balrog, best give it to your vanguard, then give your main the red set , i actually read about the balrog a bit too late, but that works too, or you can skip the lv70 set altogether, and get just weapon/boots for your main, your choice.You can even give your main the Balrog weapon and boots, and let the vanguard keep the defensive parts, because he doesn't need the weapon, nor boots that much really , and your main would benefit from them much more.

The usual progression with gear is, boots+weapon, but the difference between having lv50 gold and lv70 red weapon/boots is not very convincing because you lose the set bonus, which ofsets a big part of the difference in BP and stats that you got from the upgrade, but at the same time, i think that there is a bit more going on than just visual stats, i think that lv50 gear just loses flat out to lv70 gear in actual pvp, but i haven't confirmed that yet.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-17 21:00:00

ok and 1 more question,

Is Manor / Gose worth buying for 3000 gold in honor shop? do you get it free or reduced later on in anyway?

Also gambling, is there a point in doing this daily?

So im going to get 2 full Balrog sets, but whats this 60 ultimate thing I hear about? Is it another version of the level 1 cash shop gear?

So you said make 50 gear all gold? or 1 set 70 red and boots / weapon for main red? (for 70) and other party members use which?
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-17 22:01:49

Money talks thrust me 2balrog set is really enough for save ur place at arena rank 1 i m at US-42 and 3rd in arena rank but our number 1 has 2 balrog set so he got 100k bp higher than me i cant even damage him at arena and guild wars =) but in pve events like ryoka attack i can catch him so close =) when u got lvl 65 with and got kazeshini u will be undefeatable with ur 2 baldrog sets ^^
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-18 17:23:08

The lv60 Ultimate IS the balrog set.

I wouldn't recommend getting two balrog sets to be honest IF you can get the Cyclone sets, , balrog falls off quickly, lv70 gear will have about same stats as the lv60 balrog, balrog will still be a bit stronger but not by much.

If you really want a balrog set, just get one, not more, save for the lv80 ones, they are the best investment.

And no, you don't get Manor or Gose for free, don't know about reductions and no they are not worth your 3000 and 5000 gold.

I said make all sets gold 50 at-least, then upgrade one set into gold 70, since you want to have decent gear on all your partners, you can't have them run around in lv40 gear.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 18:29:13

I have the Gold buy VIP level 1 sets on 2 right now. I also have 3 full 50 sets purple. and 3 golden weapons (1 for each) are you saying finish off a 50 set all gold?

Then keep that and when 70 comes get a full 70 gold set? obviously a 70 purple. Plus the Balrog and then buy a cyclone for 80?

Little confused.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 18:56:02

well I bought 2 sets of Balrog and a cyclone set might buy 1 more cyclone set. Im assuming I can 3 sets of cyclone 2 sets of flame and be set forever right, from 90 onward?

So for now, should I spend the time to get a 50 purple set to 50 gold, is there a 60 puple set? or just 70 purple?
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-18 19:08:58

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-9-18 18:10
[email protected] replied at 2014-9-18 17:29
I have the Gold buy VIP level 1 sets on 2 right now. I also have 3 full 50 sets purple. and 3 golden ...

Yes i meant that you should make all your lv50 sets gold, and get a lv70 gold set, then upgrade it into red quality.
And there is no lv60 normal set, just lv50, then 70 right after it.

Lv50 set, you craft it from purple, then you can spirit forge it into gold.

Lv70 set, you craft it from gold, then you can spirit forge it into red.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 19:27:54

should I really be wasting all the stars from hunting on 3 level 50 sets gold? seems like a waste. Should I just use those mats for 70? and there is 70 / 80 / 90 gear right?
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-18 19:49:18

Lv70 gear requires double the price for each material and the required amount of material is higher, so you will run out really fast out of stars, and you'll be having a hard time in both PvP and PvE with just purple lv50 gear, or lv70 gear, but you can save them.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 19:58:40

is 50 gold better than regular 70 gear? Though you said at 70 it starts at gold and upgrades to red

so wouldnt 70 gold be better than 50 gold?
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-18 20:13:04

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-9-18 19:35

Theoretically yes, but its about the same or worse, because spirit infusing lv70 gear is expenssive and hard.

First of all, by the base stats, Lv70 gold gear is better than lv50 gold gear, but if you consider that you will have all your lv50 gold gear on spirit infuse lv9~12, then the stat difference will be quite significant between gear.

For example, i have Lv11 Spirit forged Lv50 Blade on my Rangiku, it has 4370 total attack damage at Lv75+ Infuse lv11. (3300+1070).

While at the same time, my Renji has Lv70 red blade with Lv7 spirit infuse which gives him 4100+840 damage, to a total of 4940 damage, there is a 570 damage difference, which gets reduced by 150 because its Red quality, so he would end up having about 4790 damage, like 400 more than her, but problem is, getting Lv7 spirit infuse on all your characters is going to take a while, infuse eats a lot of material on higher level and failing just hurts, you will end up giving like 1-2 infuse levels daily to a few pieces of your lv70 gear and that is it.
So in theory, the gear is better - yes, but practically, it takes a while to get it at the same or higher level than your currently owned lv50 gear, by the time you'll make all your lv70 golden sets even to your lv50 ones, you'll be pretty close to 80 and you'll be changing them to lv80 sets.

I will often see people that are close to lv80, which are wearing gold Lv70 gear, but their gear is the same or worse than my lv50 infused gear, because they tend to spend all their Spirit infuse into their main and then the rest of their formation has this crappy lv70 gold set with low non-infused stats.

EDIT: You can also only get lv70 infuse materals at level 75+ , which i find funny.

What you also need to keep in mind, is that swapping gear sets and upgrading them to the max again, is quite the money sink, especially if you are trying to get Gold Reishi.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 21:36:33

ok so I should just get 3 sets of balrog and 2 cyclone

Balrog will easily get me to 80, and I can infuse and gold 1 50 set now, and then save and do just 1 70.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-9-18 21:39:10

so basically ill have

60 Balrog VG
60 Balrog Main
60 Balrog Support

50 gold assulter
50 Purple Support

I chose maybe a balrog for support since ill always have at least one usually 2. So will be nice to be able to switch over and pass off.

As for reish, I think I have to get Youichi Support 1st than the gold fox dude tank right?

Should I replace renji with gold ichigo?
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-19 08:24:58

You can replace Renji with gold ichigo if you want to run a assaulter killer build and equip ichigo with one Balrog set, along with your Main, and Vanguard, support doesn't need those sets.

If you equip ichigo will a maxed out Balrog set, he will be dealing about 10k damage +/- which is a lot and you will be one-shotting almost any assaulter squad in PvP up to lv70+.
author: YagamiLi    time: 2014-9-19 09:00:47

Edited by YagamiLi at 2014-9-19 08:03

Don't get a worthless ichigo or you will regret it.

Glasglow is voicing his own opinion, but don't take all of it to heart.

Ichigo is an extremely horrible assaulter with only 80% growth on his attack.

If you have the money and WANT to be deadly, Rangiku with high str/agi/crit/breakdefense is a much better choice than ichigo.

And if your main is strong enough you can clear the opponent as.saulter lane alone.
Crap I just read that over again, don't even think about replacing renji with ichigo..

Do the math my friend, 200% growth +15% attack boost, vs 80% growth on as.saulters with high phys defense???

Not to mention ryoka and evil spirit???

80% growth isn't going to get you anywhere.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-9-19 17:18:48

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-9-19 16:35
YagamiLi replied at 2014-9-19 08:00
Don't get a worthless ichigo or you will regret it.

Glasglow is voicing his own opinion, but don't  ...

This is funny, because i had the exactly same opinion when i was low level and inexperienced.

She does WAY more damage than Ichigo, and thats a fact, ichigo is generally about one of the weaker assaulters, weaker than most Purples, then again, what did you expect from a free partner?

As for the question out of which , well they are both good, but Renji is probably slightly better, but then again, Rangiku was a free top-up assaulter you got at the begging of the game, so she was basically a stepping stone until you could get a better one at 50+.

Stat wise, they are about the same, there is no big difference, but the difference is that - Rangiku does 180% damage to vanguards and has a 35% crit chance buff with her special skill, while Renji does 200% and has a 20% damage buff after his special skill.
So basically it comes down to preferance if you like crits or stable damage. Renji does 40% more damage (additively , not by 40% in total) but Rangiku has very high crit chance, somewhere around 70% without stones, so if the enemy has no crit counter, he is in for a lot of pain.

That is my post from over a month ago, when i was still low level.
And i will entirely take my words back, because none of that is accurate anymore.

Now that i have gained more knowledge about the game, i can tell you that, Rangiku is not a very good partner past lv60, she becomes really weak and really fast, while Ichigo becomes stronger and stronger.

You would not dismiss ichigo so easily, if you were higher level and fought with people that had a well geared ichigo on their formation.
I can easily say that Ichigo is about just as good as any lv80 assaulter, focused on killing the enemy assaulters.

First of all, you need to consider this - Rangiku and Ichigo are for two entirely different formations and play-styles, one is for vanguard killing, the other is for assaulter killing, and the Assaulter killing formation is much more PvP oriented and very deadly if played right, there won't be an Assaulter that replaces Ichigo in that role, until lv80+.Believe me, if you meet a Ichigo in a Balrog set, he will demolish your team in PvP so badly, that you never imagined him being ever able to do something like that.
In lv80+ PvP, Vanguard killing formations are not very viable anymore, reason for that being is that, you will die way faster, before you can kill the enemy vanguard, best PvP formations are 1-2-2 and 1-1-3, 1-3-1 is not optimal, its very vulnerable and weak.

Currently i have a lot of trouble against people with Ichigo/Main formation on their team, its very hard to win against them, when their Ichigo does 15k damage each turn, on my 35~45k HP assaulters.
And when you will run into a Main/Byakuya type of formation, you will have to pray that you have more agility, to kill his assaulters, before he can kill your entire team on the second turn.

As for rangiku, when you'll meet a decently geared komamura on the enemy formation, you'll see her doing  no damage to him whatsoever, as i said - i will repeat, Rangiku is a free partner you get for topping up and she is great until level 55~60, thats where you will start considering to change her, as you will see her doing less and less damage compared to Renji and your Main. Also her critical rate? It doesn't exist in Lv70 content, monsters have so much anti-crit that she almost never crits , even with 100% crit rate. She is still good in events like Ryoka invasion and stuff, but Renji does more damage than her even there, reason for that being is because Renji's passive gives him higher STR multiplier and his default damage is just more solid with better gear.


As for Ryoka events that you mentioned, 0-2-3 or 0-3-2 formations are the way to go, and basically anything you can get with good damage - works.
Ichigo isn't ideal in those events, and you will want to get Ikkaku for that eventually, which comes at lv80.



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