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author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 09:07:23     Title: What do you think about this idea?

Edited by TanakaAiri at 2015-10-27 09:09

Ok so got Hikifune this morning and now it got me to thinking of reviewing my end game pvp setup. So here's what I had in mind. Her skill deducts fury which would prevent them from skilling. Was thinking of taking out Isshin and putting in CSB byakuya. Yes i know isshin's void prevents the person from attacking all together but my stark is pretty well built so he can take a good few basic hits and even if not she casts invuln on everyone. Now here's what i was thinking :

Id have shinso go first obviously since he's my fury generator. Now I'm of two minds whether to let Byakuya go 2nd or hikifune. If Byakuya goes before Hiki he decreases their speed and more than likely will end up wiping the field, but that's luck and chance depending on who i face. I'm guessing it depends on if his speed deduction really brings the enemy down to a level where i can skill before they do. Now If i let hikifune go 2nd, she deducts fury(which prevents them from skilling), adds 50% atk (which byakuya wud benefit from when he skills) and casts invulnerability(which protects my team from any dmg). That seems the safest route imo, obviously this is all providing that the enemy is not Usain Bolt :/

But yea would that be a good setup? To replace isshin and have my team as Shinso - Hikifune - CSb Bya - Main - Stark?
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 09:29:46

Oh and another question do CSB partners come at your level or do i have to level him too -_-
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-10-27 09:38:06

Seems good enough for what you want (replacing Isshin), It's completely fine to do that

Make Hikifune go second, applying Invincibility for when Byakuya attacks (lets just say all your team is faster than enemy btw) so he doesn't get hit by block (at high lvl, they can have crazy VG's, so they can block and pretty much kill your Byakuya lol) whilst also doing WAY more damage than he should be doing too

Not too sure on the CSB level on partners, I asked this question before
I'm very positive they start at lvl 1, My friend has CSB Byakuya, but 20 levels away from him (lvl 100 Byakuya, lvl 120 main), so i'm guessing he brought him up to lvl 100 from lvl 1, but not enough for the next 20 levels ^^



TL;DR - Make Hikifune second fastest, and yes, replace Isshin. CSB Byakuya starts at lvl 1
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-10-27 09:43:30

then pull starrk for isshin for ES and first 50ish waves of ryoka?
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 09:45:24

Damn it -_- ok lol that's some more time to level up another guy from scratch., ah well! Ok well I'll make her second fastest. Is it worth while going after csb aizen still tho? In terms of usefullness and survivability she seems to offer more, not so? When i compare their skill effects , Aizen with a chance to decrease fury by 10 and a low chance to stun compared to dmg increase , invulnerability and a 100% chance to deduct 25 fury? I think hikifune comes out on top. Well obviously aizen wud be faster but I think i can make up for that.

Ok thanks <3 wuv u
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 09:46:25

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-10-27 09:43
then pull starrk for isshin for ES and first 50ish waves of ryoka?

I'm only replacing Isshin for pvp not pve lol
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-10-27 09:51:18

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 09:45
Damn it -_- ok lol that's some more time to level up another guy from scratch., ah well! Ok well I'l ...

pinky will be hard to outspeed bro...
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-10-27 09:52:31

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 14:45
Damn it -_- ok lol that's some more time to level up another guy from scratch., ah well! Ok well I'l ...

OH NO, Hikifune is the fastest partner in the game now lmfao, she kicks the shit outta CSB Aizen in speed and everything else (Take note of her Growth rate on speed and base stats, it's higher than B.Rukia, previous fastest character in game, whilst also having 2x 10% speed mods)

I don't think it's worth going after CSB Aizen unless you're planning to enter the 1-1-3 formation, which would mean no Byakuya and that you'll need a strong af main to compensate for no Physical damage ^^

wuv u too Tanaka <3
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 09:57:42

Oh right sorry forgot about her mods lol , ok well then that cements it, I don't really need csb aizen now ok. I just wanted that little extra confirmation before i go ahead and buy byakuya. Thanks zenny ^^
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 10:00:22

Do not, I repeat, DO NOT, make anyone faster then Kirio if you can avoid it.

Too many bad things can happen if you do. If you have to use Urahara or Rukia to get T1 on everyone else, do it.

Kirio should always go first.
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-10-27 10:03:11

Tbh I'd let Hiki attack first and take away all speed stones, hogus, hogyos and even your foot equipment + (Inheriting them over and over will even give you silver) and ditch speed completely, on all partners
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 10:03:25

Ok , i understand where you're coming from but means then I'd have to make her pure T1 which is gonna take some time but its definitely something I will work towards. Then i'd make her go first and shinso can always give T1 to everyone else when its finished.

Side note : CSB Byakuya came at level 70 when i bought him.
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-10-27 10:06:35

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 15:03
Ok , i understand where you're coming from but means then I'd have to make her pure T1 which is gonn ...

ah that's coolio

Yeah that's what I didn't mention Shinso going First of Hikifune going first, I knew you was using him from the fury gain/T1, so that's coolio

It should be extremely simple for you get her to become the fastest partner in your team anyways, like, it probably will happen naturally after mods lol
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 10:06:41

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-27 10:03
Tbh I'd let Hiki attack first and take away all speed stones, hogus, hogyos and even your foot equip ...

Wow...that's actually a pretty awesome idea :/ ....sadly it will take me some time to get her T1 tho, T1 is pretty fundamental where I'm at in level.
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-10-27 10:10:52

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 10:06
Wow...that's actually a pretty awesome idea :/ ....sadly it will take me some time to get her T1 t ...

However she will make pvp very boring, unless you only like to win and have no competition at all haha

How many fury stones do you have? You might be able to pull of a fake T1 with the weapon Psychic in combination with her Evo.
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 10:12:08

Edited by Suzuken at 2015-10-27 18:14
Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-27 18:03
Tbh I'd let Hiki attack first and take away all speed stones, hogus, hogyos and even your foot equip ...

that's a very bad idea since every partner will have a counter partner in the future which means that there will be a partner that can remove invaluable from enemy team and that would put him in deep shit if he was slower and most likely he is slower, if the enemy was running 1-2-2 he will win if he had enough def on his sup so the best idea imo is
T1 shinso>Hiki>Byakuya but if he went with that formation that means he will need lots of speed on both shinso and hiki to make sure that he goes first,if his hiki happened to be slower than someone's mugetsu then he is still in trouble he IMO he need to make to not an offensive character but rather make her his second tank and only make use of he skill buffs and debuffs .
anyway , that  MY OPINION .
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 10:18:10

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-27 10:10
However she will make pvp very boring, unless you only like to win and have no competition at all  ...

Well see I'm already in the process of making T1 out of Shinso using that setup(I so desperately want kisuke off my team) so currently I'm out of fury stones lol. But I'll take grasp of every event that offers fury stones(well reasonable priced of course) so it doesn't take too long.
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-10-27 10:22:50

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 09:29
Oh and another question do CSB partners come at your level or do i have to level him too -_-

csb aizen comes at lvl 80, byakuya and ken comes at 70
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 10:37:14

Suzuken replied at 2015-10-27 10:12
that's a very bad idea since every partner will have a counter partner in the future which means th ...

Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read that.

There is no counter partner right now. Even if we are going to speculate on what a counter partner would look like it would have to be a VG ( Kirio nukes fury on A/S ) and there are plenty of counter plays against that.

Finally, Having tanky supports does nothing to Kirio. You aren't using her for her damage. You have free reign to use whatever partners you want to use to deal with situations. She makes it so that any partner you have will garuntee a skill.

Kensei Disarm/Silence? Check.
Yammamoto Damage/Burn? Check.
CSB Aizen doing Aizen things? Check.
SWP Aizen doing Aizen things? Check.
Main doing evo'd attack all? Check.
Unohana Kenpachi invulning again? Check.
Shinigami Yoruichi invulning again? Check.
Hollow Ichigo/Demon Ichigo/Soph Rangiku/Noitora setting up AID Rate? Check.
Isshin/Mugetsu garunteed combo wombos? Check.
Nel Debuff/Ryuuken stuff? Check.
WIchigo/Toshiro damage debuffs that stack? Check.
Tavern Aizen/Gin more fury debuff/Stuns? Check.

You can literally do pretty much whatever strategy you want to do. As long as Kirio goes first.
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 10:47:15

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 18:37
Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read that.

There is no counter partner right now ...

you just repeated what i said but in a different way bud
read what Brahmastra said and think again about what you said ..
in every game no matter what formation speed is the judge
i said that he would be in trouble if he was faster if she was faster why the fuck would i say that he needs to make her tanky, she can cast inv on her self and no need for further blablabing  also having a tanky sup does something to her in case she was slower then she will survive an attack then cast her skill which will turn the tables around . that's at least til the counter partner arrives
Anyway unlike you i will respect your opinion and thank you for clearing some stuff for me and calling my comment dump was sure nice from you .
anyway have a good day sir
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 10:58:39

Suzuken replied at 2015-10-27 10:47
you just repeated what i said but in a different way bud
read what Brahmastra said and think agai ...

I didn't say anything remotely near what you said. What you said, was dumb. What I said was what Brah said.

As long as Kirio goes first, it doesn't matter what the speed of your other partners are.
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 11:03:21

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 18:58
I didn't say anything remotely near what you said. What you said, was dumb. What I said was what B ...

again
speed is the judge, i can argue with you and say that what will happen if she was slower and someone's mug ? ... she would get fucked and his whole formation will also get destroyed because when he sacrfises speed on other partners and he didn't go first then he made public suicide
anyway, i won't argue any further because this will never end, like i said ( for the 3rd time) speed is the judge here .
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 11:11:15

Suzuken replied at 2015-10-27 11:03
again
speed is the judge, i can argue with you and say that what will happen if she was slower and ...

If, in your facepalm of a example, you cannot get a Kirio ( the far and away fastest partner in the game ) to be faster then a Mugetsu, then your team would lose regardless of what partners/set up you used. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 11:13:47

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 19:11
If, in your facepalm of a example, you cannot get a Kirio ( the far and away fastest partner in th ...

okay,fine i'm bored of arguing,you keep coming up with an excuse after an excuse and forgetting about why are we arguing from the first place .
you won the internet today pal
gonna go get my self something to eat
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 11:15:18

Hikifune would not be happy with this argument! Let's all smile and be pink and cute looking like hikifune
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 11:16:07

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 19:15
Hikifune would not be happy with this argument! Let's all smile and be pink and cute looking like hi ...

NO, i'm trying to be smart today
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 11:19:58

Well all of you have given me alot of insight on how my setup should be! I'll work towards it and see which works best
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 11:20:19

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-27 16:10
However she will make pvp very boring, unless you only like to win and have no competition at all  ...

She's not a 100% guarantee win.. She can get blockraped and she's only OP is she can skill every turn.

Majority of these derps don't know how to setup such team + the real broken character is SWP Aizen.
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 11:23:24

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 19:20
She's not a 100% guarantee win.. She can get blockraped and she's only OP is she can skill every t ...

" majority of these derps"
yeah, i like that .
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-10-27 11:26:57

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 11:20
She's not a 100% guarantee win.. She can get blockraped and she's only OP is she can skill every t ...

I don't know about you but if you have a T1 Hiki as fastest partner, faster than the opponent and you still can't kill the entire enemy team with 4 guaranteed skills due to her invul AND 50% damage increase on top, you best not get her at all.
With the exception to stacked vanguards of course or players that are 10x your VIP level.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 11:28:24

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 11:20
She's not a 100% guarantee win.. She can get blockraped and she's only OP is she can skill every t ...

Except, she is.

If you cannot figure out how to win with 4 undisturbed partners skilling, then you shouldn't be playing a strategy game. Her getting "blockraped" literally doesn't matter. Her skill could say "Do all her stuff. She dies instantly afterwords" and she would still be the best character in the game.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 11:34:47

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 17:28
Except, she is.

If you cannot figure out how to win with 4 undisturbed partners skilling, then yo ...
Her getting "blockraped" literally doesn't matter.


That's cute.

There's a counter for everything and I already have something in my mind that could abuse the Block dmg.
However there's a counter for my Block-startegy.. although I doubt you'd come up with it since you can't formulate more than 1 counter for your own formation
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 11:36:06

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-27 17:26
I don't know about you but if you have a T1 Hiki as fastest partner, faster than the opponent and  ...

At least someone knows what's up

And I'm talking about Hazasalami-people
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 11:38:18

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 11:34
That's cute.

There's a counter for everything and I already have something in my mind that coul ...

What on earth are you talking about? I only mentioned one character.

Here. I will mention a second character just for you.

Bankai Rukia.

What were you blocking again?
author: Redman06    time: 2015-10-27 11:39:26

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 11:38
What on earth are you talking about? I only mentioned one character.

Here. I will mention a seco ...

This argument is so pointless
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 11:41:02

Redman06 replied at 2015-10-27 19:39
This argument is so pointless

^ i know
you should try arguing with him, he's like my father i tell him that i'm done eating he tells me to eat more because tomorrow i'll get hungry again
not really am just trolling
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-10-27 11:43:38

Suzuken replied at 2015-10-27 11:03
again
speed is the judge, i can argue with you and say that what will happen if she was slower and ...

I agree but if you have a Mugetsu that's faster, you will most likely lose anyway.
Same goes for a CSB Aizen's stun, TSI and Urahara their silence and SWP Aizen his void on your assaulters and or not being able to regenerate fury on other partners due to his skill.

That specific formation I posted is all about being faster and only works when being faster. If like you said "speed is the judge" that would imply you'd lose regardless whether she, or someone else, is slower than the opponent. But the thing is she happens to be the fastest character we currently have ingame now.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 11:43:40

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 17:38
What on earth are you talking about? I only mentioned one character.

Here. I will mention a seco ...

she does what, -30% Hp Reduction every round?
That leaves me with 2/3 other rounds to survive + you'd Kamikaze yourself in 1-2 rounds.

I'm blocking my VG's virginity.

But yeah she's op, just need that 100%fury regain/round though
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 11:46:13

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 11:43
she does what, -30% Hp Reduction every round?
That leaves me with 2/3 other rounds to survive + yo ...

She's OP enough as it is, let's not completely break her now by adding 100% fury regain lol....
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 11:53:54

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 17:46
She's OP enough as it is, let's not completely break her now by adding 100% fury regain lol....

True, it'll 'ruining' the pvp games.. but then again there are enough shitty partners you could finally crap on  (looking at you SWP aizen :p)
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 11:55:12

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 11:43
she does what, -30% Hp Reduction every round?
That leaves me with 2/3 other rounds to survive + yo ...

She sure does. I don't know how big you are imagining your VG to be, but taking 4 skills to the face with a 30% HP reduction is not giving you 2/3 rounds to survive. I'll give you 1-2 being generous.

If I run Shinigami Yoruichi, or Kenpachi Unohana, how were you planning on ever damaging them? It will be Turn 4 before you can even think about touching Yoruichi. You may never touch either of them.



author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-27 11:58:16

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 11:55
She sure does. I don't know how big you are imagining your VG to be, but taking 4 skills to the fa ...

What is this 30% hp reduction yall be talking about? o-o
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 12:00:42

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 17:55
She sure does. I don't know how big you are imagining your VG to be, but taking 4 skills to the fa ...

If you're running either one of those 2, you won't be able to make a 100%%fury team unless you trigger some combo's.

But yeah I'm talking atleast 3m+Hp vg's stacked with stones. The VG strat might not always work 100% of the time but it'll win 50% or more perhaps. Don't feel like doing math now
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 12:02:27

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 17:58
What is this 30% hp reduction yall be talking about? o-o

Bankai rukia's skill.

author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-27 12:04:11

I could really go for a cheeseburger
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 12:07:06

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 12:00
If you're running either one of those 2, you won't be able to make a 100%%fury team unless you tri ...

You don't need a 100% fury team. Not sure why you are stuck on that.

We agree that everything else is just flat dead right? The only thing that has a chance of surviving 5 skills on T1 is the Vanguard. Now your VG has -30% Health per turn ( doesn't matter how high you stack his health ), and I have a character that you cannot damage until T4 ( When your VG would be dead by the Bankai Rukia dot alone, nevermind whatever else I throw at him ).

I still have another character slot I haven't used. You lose that fight 100% of the time.

Granted, I have gone on record saying that a stacked VG is probably the best way of dealing with Kirio, but it isn't a counter, its at best 50% against a non-Rukia Kirio team.
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 12:18:24

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 18:07
You don't need a 100% fury team. Not sure why you are stuck on that.

We agree that everything els ...

Oh lol... you're not even going for the 100%fury regain??

Well if you're gonna talk about a pure 5T'1s killing team, please give me an idea of who you're going to use because I could also use characters like: Retsu Kenpachi Unuhona, (Main's, Aid skil.) they both can be faster unless you rlly want to talk endgame where every1 is maxed.


Now your VG has -30% Health per turn ( doesn't matter how high you stack his health )

This does matter, because if he can last 3 rounds (deducting 90%, leaves for example Noza kenpachi @10%basic health). Since Bankai rukia was molested by block she won't be able to apply her Health dedcution bs and with the use of Hyourinmaru I'd be regaining Health like no other (referring to his 3rd fortify zanpakuto bonus).

So basically we have left: Hikifune/main/ (gets Killed after 2nd round thx to block),
this leaves us with Retsu kenpachi and your 5th partner.

vs my retsu Kenpachi and Noza (if he's able to tank all the previous shit, which might not be possible but it might be idk #swag). At this point it'll come down on crits and who's faster.





author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 12:58:42

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 12:18
Oh lol... you're not even going for the 100%fury regain??

Well if you're gonna talk about a pure  ...

Blocking Rukia does not prevent her debuffs. Again, as Tanky as you can imagine your Noza, he is not lasting that long. The turn 1 skills are most certainly going to do way more then 10% of his basic health, especially with a 50% attack buff.

I am confused as how you believe Retsu Kenpachi Unohana can be faster then Kirio? You know Kirio reduces fury right? You know attacking into Invincibility doesn't give fury right?

You don't need the 100% fury gain stuff. It is also chance, and I would prefer not to have my entire team rely on that.

As far as what I am planning on doing, truthfully I have no set plans right now. Kirio opened the door pretty wide. Probably something like Kirio - Bankai Rukia - Main 10th skill - Berserk Renji - Shinigami Yoruichi, in that order.

Chances are there isn't much left on the field by the time Berserk Renji and Yoruichi skill, so they are likely to hit the VG with huge modifies under a 50% attack buff ( Yoruichi having both Attack and Renji buff ). Even if they fail to kill the VG, it is suffering 30% a turn, with no health regen, and Yoruichi is untouchable for the duration of Rukia's Debuff ( and probably longer ).
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-27 12:59:43

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-10-27 09:38
Seems good enough for what you want (replacing Isshin), It's completely fine to do that

Make Hik ...

no he start at lvl 70
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-27 13:00:06

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-27 09:45
Damn it -_- ok lol that's some more time to level up another guy from scratch., ah well! Ok well I'l ...

mugetsu + hikufune ? goddamn OP
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-10-27 13:05:33

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-27 17:04
I could really go for a cheeseburger

Chicken burger

Cos Chicken
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-10-27 13:05:53

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-27 17:59
no he start at lvl 70

cheers

that helps alot for me, don't need so much scrolls
author: 595459354    time: 2015-10-27 13:08:05

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-27 18:58
Blocking Rukia does not prevent her debuffs. Again, as Tanky as you can imagine your Noza, he is n ...

Idk what we're discussing anymore tbh.

As for her fury debuff, it's a chance% + you can give your own char more than 100%.
Mine doesn't have to be faster than Kirio, since kirio won't 1HKO her, she only has to be faster than your Retsu kenpachi.

But yeah she reopened PVE-PVP setups and finally kicked shitty SWP aizen out of his existence c:
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-27 13:12:01

595459354 replied at 2015-10-27 13:08
Idk what we're discussing anymore tbh.

As for her fury debuff, it's a chance% + you can give your ...

Oooh, I see now where you were going wrong.

Her Fury Debuff is NOT % chance. It always happens.

I actually kind of like the idea or Kiro WITH SWP Aizen. Don't have to worry about speed, hella control, lots of safety.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-27 13:19:20

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-10-27 13:05
cheers

that helps alot for me, don't need so much scrolls

xdddd        
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-27 13:36:12

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-27 19:43
I agree but if you have a Mugetsu that's faster, you will most likely lose anyway.
Same goes for a ...

^ can't argue with that ._.



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