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author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 11:39:03 Title: Niyaima Oetsu

Anyone else notice his skill? His mutilate targets a random enemy, it is not VG specific.

That actually makes him more interesting to me. It basically says:

Deal 120% to all. Kill one random enemy instantly. Reduce all enemies fury by 10. Recover health with 15% growth rate.

Problems with him:

Debuffs are selected before damage from his skill, so if he kills the enemy selected for Mutilate, it is basically wasted.
Slow.
Fury reduction is nice, but since he is slow you basically have to run Kirio with him, which makes his skill do more damage increasing the chances of wasted debuff.

Ways he can be good:

You can stack Wisdom on someone else. The good parts of his skill have no bearing on wisdom ( Mutilate and fury reduction ).
You can intentionally keep him slow with Kirio, allowing some of your other partners to clear out the "Trash" partners that would otherwise die/take up a Mutilate, increasing the chances of Mutilate instantly killing something you care about dramatically.
Tier 6 Mod is the best mod in the entire game. It stacks with other specific auras ( Shinso Gin's 10% speed to Kido users, for example ).

author: moongoatie time: 2015-11-16 11:42:03

Edited by moongoatie at 2015-11-16 11:43

So basically he counters stucked partners if he survives that long?;o I mean if there is only one enemy partner left, would the skill work 100%?

author: Evild4nte time: 2015-11-16 11:52:29

What exactly means mutilate ?

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-11-16 11:58:44

Evild4nte replied at 2015-11-16 11:52
What exactly means mutilate ?

bankai rukias skill, but instead of 30% dmg to itself, it does 80%

about the thread, dunno, i dont find him a threat at all right now just because kirio is so much faster.. u will need his final mod to make him a threat.. enjoy spending 500k gold for that XD

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 12:04:13

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 11:58
bankai rukias skill, but instead of 30% dmg to itself, it does 80%

about the thread, dunno, i don ...

Well, as I mentioned, you run Kirio with him. :-P

I mentioned before, I don't think you run Tenjiro + Nimaiya, and its going to be hard to justify running Nimaiya when the entire world has Tenjiro now. lol

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-11-16 12:06:39

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 12:04
Well, as I mentioned, you run Kirio with him. :-P

I mentioned before, I don't think you run Tenji ...

yes but your enemy can use her aswell, just because your team is invincible doesnt mean her invincibility wont go off, it wil lstill make ur team invincible= nimaiya is useless until final mod, or you rek people who doesnt have kirio

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-11-16 12:22:54

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2015-11-16 12:28

seems kind of weak for $500 USD...  especially compared to the others we have seen lately... best I can think of...
0-2-3
shinzo to T1 all,  B rukia next, nim, then mug for combo, then main to mop up the mess...
then again with that much $$$ I could make a much better team...
Shinzo to T1 all, Hiki, Mugetsu, Shini Kensei, Main...  and either of these parties would run nice with even Kazeshini!

author: Evild4nte time: 2015-11-16 12:23:09

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 11:58
bankai rukias skill, but instead of 30% dmg to itself, it does 80%

about the thread, dunno, i don ...

ah ok, thx.

I dont think, that he is so great, coz of his speed. I will wait for a good assaulter in the 12 to 20k range to replace isshin. There are enough good supporter without him.

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 12:24:21

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 12:06
yes but your enemy can use her aswell, just because your team is invincible doesnt mean her invinc ...

What? I assume you don't have Kirio and don't know what her skill does.

Just for clarity, you know Kirio reduces fury right? Your opponents Kirio isn't going to get to use a skill.

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 12:32:08

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-11-16 12:22
seems kind of weak for $500 USD... especially compared to the others we have seen lately...

He is free with a 500$ top up.

In the best scenario, he is a better Bankai Rukia ( 80% Mutilate on VG, vs 30% ).
In the worst scenario, he is a slightly better CSB Aizen ( Guaranteed fury reduction, faster, better damage, Mutilate debuff, heal, but has less health and no stun chance ).

author: [email protected] time: 2015-11-16 12:38:26

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 11:58
bankai rukias skill, but instead of 30% dmg to itself, it does 80%

about the thread, dunno, i don ...

tenjiro have that mod lol XD and he's good for his 6th mod , though he doesn't have an agility taent which i wonder why lol but still good to get though due to survivability specially with ichibei who adds 200% defense he can be pretty good , btw i just found out something , tenjiro basically cast his chaos after skill so if after skill his 2 targets or 1 is alive he casts on both ( if both are alive and on 1 and a random other one (if only one are alive ) and on 2 random ones ( if both are alive ) lol took me too much battles to be sure of it

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 12:41:16

[email protected] replied at 2015-11-16 12:38
tenjiro have that mod lol XD and he's good for his 6th mod , though he doesn't have an agility tae ...

That isn't what Tenjiro does. I explained it in another thread.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-11-16 12:42:51

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 12:24
What? I assume you don't have Kirio and don't know what her skill does.

Just for clarity, you kno ...

tbh its not hard to hit 110 fury with evo and weapon enchant

author: [email protected] time: 2015-11-16 12:43:39

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 12:41
That isn't what Tenjiro does. I explained it in another thread.

in fact it is , i know cz i play UN and they have a similiar thing lol

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 12:47:35

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 12:42
tbh its not hard to hit 110 fury with evo and weapon enchant

Kirio reduces fury by 25. Good luck hitting 125 ( That's 6 24% fury stones, which is enough to get 5 T1 characters ).

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 12:49:35

[email protected] replied at 2015-11-16 12:43
in fact it is , i know cz i play UN and they have a similiar thing lol

No, it isn't. Debuffs are selected before damage is dealt. You can have instances where you attack 5 people with Tenjiro, and get no Chaos buffs, because the targets he "Chaosed at random" died to his attack.

It is literally how debuffs have been handled in this game since day 1. Random debuffs are always selected before damage.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-11-16 12:49:37

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 12:47
Kirio reduces fury by 25. Good luck hitting 125 ( That's 6 24% fury stones, which is enough to get ...

well tenjiro is faster so you can try your luck in hitting her once and casting chaos on her if she dun die lol

author: [email protected] time: 2015-11-16 12:51:49

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 12:49
No, it isn't. Debuffs are selected before damage is dealt. You can have instances where you attack ...

OH MAN THOUGHT YOU'RE TALKIN THAT MOD 7 OF NIMAYA AND TENJIRO AREN'T THE SAME xd

author: Evild4nte time: 2015-11-16 12:52:08

I think i prefer Ultima Aizen + Hikifune, Reduce fury + prohibit gaining fury on supporter and disabling assaulters seems good enough, except that this setup powers up a hardblocking vg.

Maybe Oetsu is at some point needed coz of this 10% speed on all mod, to keep the own Hikifune faster.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-11-16 13:27:52

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 12:47
Kirio reduces fury by 25. Good luck hitting 125 ( That's 6 24% fury stones, which is enough to get ...

she reduces -25 to all?

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 13:29:27

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 13:27
she reduces -25 to all?

Assaulters and support. Which would include other Kirio's.

Really surprised you don't know what she does.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-11-16 13:33:08

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-16 13:29
Assaulters and support. Which would include other Kirio's.

Really surprised you don't know what s ...

i knew what her spell did but totally forgot about the fury reduction.. i thought the -10 on all from nimaya was strong.. but fuck me was i wrong LOL

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 13:37:54

BurakCinar replied at 2015-11-16 13:33
i knew what her spell did but totally forgot about the fury reduction.. i thought the -10 on all f ...

Yeah. Pretty sure that is why we got Tenjiro for so cheap by the way. It isn't a great counter to Kirio, but it is decent. If he lands chaos on her, she won't skill. If he lands chaos on 2 damage dealers, they will attack their own team ( basic attack ) thus negating the 50% buff and all the damage they would have done.

Still, at the end of the day it is only a 40% chance to happen, and I would rather not base a strategy on RNG that I cannot influence.

author: uwannadonkey time: 2015-11-16 14:07:31

Edited by uwannadonkey at 2015-11-16 14:09

all of you kirio lovers should be worried. both new partners ignore your invinceability, one of the best parts of kirio skill ,on their last mod

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-11-16 14:11:08

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-11-16 14:07
all of you kirio lovers should be worried. both new partners ignore your invinceability, one of the ...

No one should be worried about a mod that takes upwards of 10,000 mod fragments to get to.

Even if you got 50 per day, every day, it would take 200 days to reach. By comparison, 200 days is SEVEN new partners at a minimum. Kirio owners should be more worried about newer, better partners then a final mod over a year away.

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