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author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 13:56:49 Title: Formation

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-11-20 19:06

Hey there, how are u going?

I have a question rather stupid, im planning to change my formation to 1-1-3 from 1-3-1 (i know its a huge change, now keep reading), but i dont have enought wis stones to make this change yet (i dont even have my aizens but fack it), so here is my question, is that bad leave senbon and use hyorin? WAIT BEFORE FLAMING, U SCRUBS

I know senbon is the 2nd best zanpakuto in general due to his bonus ( 21% speed, 25% dmg to assaulters, o% dmg reduction to vg, 70% hp, 50% recovery rate and 25% avoid injurity rate after attack give 25% dmg, speed and def to assaulters and vg), but it gives 0 bonus to supports and that is where the "stupid question" comes, senbon can still be better then hyorin for supp based team? the answer is: isnt it so obvious? (everyone must agree... or hitman will hunt u)

to clarify some of u (i know u arent understanding), im not kota, BWG or any other heavy spender, so i cant afford multiple zanpakutos, or partners
u maybe are asking, wtf this dude what? am i right? I want to change to 1-1-3 cuz its a dream AND my assaulters are lacking on speed agaisnt ppl as strong as me (remember i cant afford Mugetsu or WI (at least for now))

i just have sogyo, hyorin and senbon as cash zanpakutos, and the free ones ofc

Im running atm: Starrk, Yama-jii, Hakuteiken, cute (fake boobs) orihime (soon i will get noza, 1036/1400)
Formation i want to run (1-1-3): Noza, Tenjiro, CSB Aizen and Ultima Aizen

what zanpakuto should i use?
Plz use 1 vote in 1st 2 options and the other vote in which zanpakuto

PS: IF i do this change, i might go to 1-2-2 before go for 1-1-3 due to low amout of wis stones left

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-11-20 14:00:58

if your making the swap, Hyorin is the way to go... he will further solidify your vang, and his speed boost on your supports is third only to Muramasa and tensa.
Soph Rangiku may be worth the swap from Starrk as she will grant your supports and herself a 20% regeneration every round once she skills. mix that with restore enchant on your weapons, and Hyorin's bonuses and you have a very good addition. then again I am a little biased as this is what I'm doing

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 14:02:50

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-11-20 19:00
if your making the swap, Hyorin is the way to go... he will further solidify your vang, and his spe ...

this is the chain that binds me

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 14:20:17

#BUMP

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-11-20 14:26:16

with that, you should stay put you almost defiantly won't recap that speed unless your going to speed demon supports... I'm using Shinso, pompadour guy, and Kieske (to swap for CSB Aizen when I get him) Hyorin will give your supports a 15% bonus to speed, and supports are naturally faster than assaulters (usually, not always) but Hyorin DOES NOT have a speed slot.. he has both def and a HP. I'm switching to Muramasa for this very reason, Soph be damned... If your looking for more speed, I think your looking in the wrong place. Don't forget that a lot more than XP goes into a new partner. 5000+ vit in evo, lots of time/gold in modify, tons of silver in Janken for XP scrolls, and your talking about changing 3 partners at the same time, and your zanpacto to one that is inherently slower, to gain speed... If you got the coins to spare, get Shini Kensei, replace Yama, T1 kensei and make him super fast to control your opponets, at that point, speed is really a non issue. after a point in the game, unless your a VIP11, true power comes from making 1 or 2 amazing partners, and the rest to just mop up the mess and sop up damage for your support (as fights should rarely last more than 2 or 3 rounds at this point) Shini Kieske is a good, fast, and effective support. of course Hiki is amazing, Shinso is a personal favorate, and he will help others skill more often, and can make a full T1 MUCH cheaper and easier... Heck, pull Yama and Cute Ori, put tavern Kieske and Rukia in the back, once they are both modded to the max, you can get T1 from all but vang with less than a dozen basic fury stones, replace Rukia in this with Shinso and add a few more fury stones for more power here, granted your overall speed will be lowered as slow poke Kieske will need to be the fastest, non T1 teams will fall before you if your stark can soak up the damage they deal till your team goes off, and after that your middle row will go off every other round, vang too with the kieske/shinso combo

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 14:35:28

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-11-20 19:26
with that, you should stay put you almost defiantly won't recap that speed unless your going to s ...

i might save for mura, but shini kensei is just... i dont want him
as i said my dream is 1-1-3 and its the faster type of formation possible due to supports natural speed, i dont rly know what to do... should i run jizo instead till i save enought for muramassa?
i need help that is way i made this post, im tired of lacking on speed due to the slowness of as.saulters

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 14:36:33

Edited by Suzuken at 2015-11-20 22:45

after seeing this and understanding the problem here, man Letting senbon go for hyorin now would be just not good for you since like MyLar said hyorin doesn't have a speed bonus while senbon does ....... i think that you should forget about switching for 3-1-1 unless you get Muramasa and instead get kisuke and put stack on him and yama and with senbon buff you will have a fast yama and if you can afford to have a very fast assaulter and a fast support then go for Haku byakya as T1 and that will make it up for the lack of speed to sup that senbon gives :/
it's kinda too late for hyorin and it will def put you in a huge disadvantage as you said ( you don't have enough wis stones)
so either forget about 3-1-1 or save up for muramasa >.> that's what i would do PS: i accidentally voted for hyorin -_- my bad

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 14:40:20

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-11-20 19:42

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 19:36
after seeing this and understanding the problem here, man Letting senbon go for hyorin now would be ...

dude, why gogreed makes this decisions so hard, i always wanted to change formation, i want to test and see what fits better, but looks like its impossible, ok i might foget all this and just keep going, lacking on speed and give up soon

im tired of this cocky speed thing, beein most important stat, why they dont change the game.... damn gogreed

author: kosmik time: 2015-11-20 14:44:01

Edited by kosmik at 2015-11-20 14:46

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 14:40
dude, why gogreed makes this decisions so hard, i always wanted to change formation, i want to test ...

Murumasa is the way to go, without it, def. hyroin. Hell I run a 1/2/2 (changing to 1/1/3) and running into the exact same problem, need wis stones, just probably not as bad in your case.

*The CSB aizen is a great choice to stick back there in a 1/3/1 if he's T1, should save you a lot. A fast T1 CSB byak/aizen can rule the day for the most part. Ultima is great if your not fighting anyone who is T1 on their supports already, and tenji only really works well with hiki. A lot of choices man.

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 14:47:44

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 22:40
dude, why gogreed makes this decisions so hard, i always wanted to change formation, i want to test ...

i think that you reached the point where you have to stack everything on 1/2 partners >.>

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 14:50:13

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-11-20 19:53

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 19:47
i think that you reached the point where you have to stack everything on 1/2 partners >.>

have u seen my yama?

He has t1

PS: he has lvl 10 str and agi, and the rest is just enought to cap stats

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:00:44

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 22:50
have u seen my yama?

He has t1

so you already do that, damn then your formation switching gotta be the most difficult case so far

i have no answer besides muramasa

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:01:56

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:00
so you already do that, damn then your formation switching gotta be the most difficult case so far ...

even with mura, im screwed, i will try to t1 hakuteiken, but i need lvl 11 on him to do that and i dont think it will help me so much

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:09:06

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:01
even with mura, im screwed, i will try to t1 hakuteiken, but i need lvl 11 on him to do that and i ...

quite the trouble you have right there man, you should probably stick to 2-2-1 for now til you get enough stones and make sure of how you are planning to run your formation

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:10:13

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:09
quite the trouble you have right there man, you should probably stick to 2-2-1 for now til you get ...

with senbon, nah if i will stick with senbon i run 1-3-1

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:12:05

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:10
with senbon, nah if i will stick with senbon i run 1-3-1

4 chars that need str stones is a lot man, try to switch haku with ultima or csb aizen when you get him

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:12:45

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:12
4 chars that need str stones is a lot man, try to switch haku with ultima or csb aizen when you ge ...

my main is wis....

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:13:27

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:12
my main is wis....

my bad, i keep forgetting about that

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:15:42

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:13
my bad, i keep forgetting about that

1-2-2 with senbon sucks

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:22:49

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:15
1-2-2 with senbon sucks

not really man but i guess if you can keep up with it them fine but there are quite a lot of supp that can be fast w/o senbon

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:24:02

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:22
not really man but i guess if you can keep up with it them fine but there are quite a lot of supp ...

but i need something fast, i need more then 250k speed

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:31:40

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:24
but i need something fast, i need more then 250k speed

only option i can see is Hiki or mura with csb aizen/ultima

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:32:54

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:31
only option i can see is Hiki or mura with csb aizen/ultima

my yama currently has 229k (full lvl 10 agi)

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:36:10

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:32
my yama currently has 229k (full lvl 10 agi)

20k speed is missing huh, you can't get that much from his evo or upgrade his hollow map and with senbons buff you can do it

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:40:16

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:36
20k speed is missing huh, you can't get that much from his evo or upgrade his hollow map and with ...

unless i take my points from other chars in hollow map, i cant do it and yama's evo give me 5k speed max at lvl 11 with everything

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:41:30

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:40
unless i take my points from other chars in hollow map, i cant do it and yama's evo give me 5k spe ...

hmmm damn that's a problem, what about hogy ? what's the lvl of his spd one ?

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:43:34

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:41
hmmm damn that's a problem, what about hogy ? what's the lvl of his spd one ?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-11-20 15:44:52

Shinzo in the back will help T1 the rest of your party... and he is also quite fast...

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:46:05

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:43

i meant the hogyku thing that you get 200 chances a day of, and that one needs some work but it's not as easy at it looks

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:46:45

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-11-20 20:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-11-20 20:44
Shinzo in the back will help T1 the rest of your party... and he is also quite fast...

u dotn understand senbon right? must be a char with 7.0 agi growth rate, 40% agi talent, and 50% speed on mods to be able to make him faster then my assaulters
PS:21% from passive bonus, and 25% after skill from senbon

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-11-20 15:48:35

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 15:46
u dotn understand senbon right? must be a char with 7.0 agi growth rate, 40% agi talent, and 50% sp ...

um... wait for next red partner? cause not even Hiki can touch that one...

or you could just get Tensa XD

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:48:39

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:46
i meant the hogyku thing that you get 200 chances a day of, and that one needs some work but it's ...

its the blue one lvl 11, i cant get any gold or even purple

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:51:00

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-11-20 20:48
um... wait for next red partner? cause not even Hiki can touch that one...

or you could just ...

unless Kota or BWG donate me enought gold, i just cant afford it

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:51:18

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:48
its the blue one lvl 11, i cant get any gold or even purple

damn man the gold one gives 8k (base) speed at lvl 9 and it helps a shit ton andthe purple is not worse ... if you got lucky and worked only on it you should get 10-12k speed just from that but it's all about luck so this is out of the deal ............. i really don't see more option

looks like he is at his peak
all i have in head is his gear fortify/infuse ..... or his bonds

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:53:26

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:51
damn man the gold one gives 8k (base) speed at lvl 9 and it helps a shit ton andthe purple is not ...

just can achiv that with hakuteiken then, i have cute orihime and his bond with her is speed

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:56:18

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:53
just can achiv that with hakuteiken then, i have cute orihime and his bond with her is speed

well maybe you should swutch to haku then ? he's not worse than yama when it comes to skill damage his skill only lack fury rest and ignit -_-

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 15:57:21

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:56
well maybe you should swutch to haku then ? he's not worse than yama when it comes to skill damage ...

the problem is: yama is currently faster due to lvl diffrence and evo diffrence

author: Suzuken time: 2015-11-20 15:59:27

Dotiie replied at 2015-11-20 23:57
the problem is: yama is currently faster due to lvl diffrence and evo diffrence

the problems never end now do they XDDDDD i swear my mind is tired from thinking XD lol it's all up to you to decide then >.> my knowledge does not go any further

author: Dotiie time: 2015-11-20 16:00:14

Suzuken replied at 2015-11-20 20:59
the problems never end now do they XDDDDD i swear my mind is tired from thinking XD lol it's all u ...

I NEED HELP

author: polarisx7 time: 2015-11-20 16:07:11

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