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author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 20:19:39 Title: Unnerf Isshin

There is no longer a need to isshin is nerf now that partners are much higher than 12k gold . So will this decisive question . Do you favor removing the nerf of Isshin ?

author: dionysvs time: 2015-12-4 20:20:37

ppl with isshin vote no.1
ppl w/o vote no.2 / dont vote
so really...

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 20:21:55

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-4 22:20
ppl with isshin vote no.1
ppl w/o vote no.2 / dont vote
so really...

The point is that it should be like in every other game servers . This nerf must be removed. He is no longer a partner "stolen"

author: dionysvs time: 2015-12-4 20:23:24

ye but he costs more in CN, hence the better stats and skill

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 20:25:59

Edited by Cronosel at 2015-12-4 22:27

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-4 22:23
ye but he costs more in CN, hence the better stats and skill

In other servs he cost 8k gold =], and many people bought it for 20k or 30k gold at the time launched .

author: dionysvs time: 2015-12-4 20:27:53

really? i remember him costing 60 or 75 tokens in reio for CN

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 20:30:48

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-4 22:27
really? i remember him costing 60 or 75 tokens in reio for CN

White Ichigo now is 12k and he cost in past 80k. Shinso gin too. Not because their price down they took nerf .

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 21:02:16

BUMP!!!

author: Devvoke2 time: 2015-12-4 21:07:08

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author: King_Akaba time: 2015-12-4 21:28:38

Isshin was fixed because his skill wasn't working as it should. He was giving 100% combo rate to all assaulters instead of the intended 35%. The only thing that might happen is if they change his base stats and growth rates to what they are in cn.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-4 21:47:16

King_Akaba replied at 2015-12-4 21:28
Isshin was fixed because his skill wasn't working as it should. He was giving 100% combo rate to all ...

Well in the cn version if I recall correctly he also gets +100 fury from his skill. Also buffs stack over there so after 2 rounds he'd have everyone at +70% combo rate.

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-12-4 21:48:35

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-4 21:47
Well in the cn version if I recall correctly he also gets +100 fury from his skill. Also buffs sta ...

buffs stack in CN?

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-4 21:59:34

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-4 21:47
Well in the cn version if I recall correctly he also gets +100 fury from his skill. Also buffs sta ...

My Kensei would appreciate that...

That aside, I don't quite get Isshin's price tag on our servers... if he'd cost 3k-6k OK, but he's priced like Kensei...

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-4 22:01:30

sirnibbles replied at 2015-12-4 21:48
buffs stack in CN?

Yeah I've seen a few battle reports with it. Also that's why we got buff stacking for a little while. That was when suddenly everyone with White Ichigo was doing like 300M a hit in ES lmfao.

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 22:34:00

King_Akaba replied at 2015-12-4 23:28
Isshin was fixed because his skill wasn't working as it should. He was giving 100% combo rate to all ...

This is the intention , and increase the damage of the skill of 190 % to 250% and it passes to regain own fury in 100 .

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 22:35:37

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-5 00:01
Yeah I've seen a few battle reports with it. Also that's why we got buff stacking for a little whi ...

True history.

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-4 22:39:11

I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-4 23:59
My Kensei would appreciate that...

That aside, I don't quite get Isshin's price tag on our server ...

Yes . What I propose is that Isshin is at the same level as the CN server / BR / RU . In all these servers it costs 8-10k gold ( with the exception of CN costing 13.2k but kensei is 15k ) . Their statistical bases should be restored as the original , Gogames no have reasons than financial to continue maintaining it in a state of nerf .

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 00:54:29

unnerfed issin+b.renji+stacking buffs

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 00:56:15

Cronosel replied at 2015-12-5 06:39
Yes . What I propose is that Isshin is at the same level as the CN server / BR / RU . In all these ...

Ru Issin cost 20k gold

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 00:58:24

And 1 more thing with 1-3-1 support gives extra attack to vanguard(at least on ru servers).

author: Xallog time: 2015-12-5 01:42:37

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author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-5 02:46:33

I am confused. Why would they Unnerf Isshin? They should have nerfed his ass a long time ago. He is still one of the best PvE partners in the game ( only being slightly eclipsed by Kensei ). He costs 10k. Kensei costs 12k. Seems about right. He is very easily still worth 10k ( especially in Anniversary ).

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-5 05:26:19

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-5 08:46
I am confused. Why would they Unnerf Isshin? They should have nerfed his ass a long time ago. He is ...

because of new partners coming out

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 05:55:55

btw ru server have 2 issins nerfed and original, and we got 2 freechigo. some proof video

author: Yurakyaladei time: 2015-12-5 08:14:52

if we should unnerf they should bring back kensei's disarm on pve events again

author: Yurakyaladei time: 2015-12-5 08:19:05

also isshin is at 35% with 5% from 110 gear + the 15% he gets from evo 55% /2 rounds is not bad % while kensei's is at 60+% with mod, bond @ evo so pretty much they almost even only stats wise they are different but isshin also does 190% or something on skill while kensei only does 110 so i think they should keep him same

author: Miliandra time: 2015-12-5 08:39:09

Guys, let's write a collective letter to the gogames, Brah and send it to them.
I have 2 weeks ignore a support. My questions do not respond.
I think if we all write, they at least look!

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-5 08:40:09

Yurakyaladei replied at 2015-12-5 08:14
if we should unnerf they should bring back kensei's disarm on pve events again

LOL Kensei had a stupid bug on ES. Noone can CC an evil spirit and he was able... It wasnt a nerf but a bugfix

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-12-5 11:09:38

Now, you are someone who is active on the forum so why? Why would you do this thread? You know GG doesn't care.
If Gogames wants to unerf him they will.
Why did they "nerf" him? (they changed his stats to match description, when people bought him they should have been properered for possible change, and not ever lasting bug)
They did it because even after release of kensei, which was seen as new stronger ishin. People still seen Ishin as stronger option, hence Gogames changed Ishins stats to match description.
And, still Ishin is not weak, he just isn't totally overpowers.
And I don't believe a poll will even win Gogames attention.

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-5 11:43:35

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-12-5 13:09
Now, you are someone who is active on the forum so why? Why would you do this thread? You know GG do ...

Original Isshin :

BONUS: 20 K GOLD TOP UP U RECEIVE ... SEE WITH UR EYES GUYS

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-12-5 12:18:28

Cronosel replied at 2015-12-5 16:43
Original Isshin :

And that a different host. We play on GoGames. You want those cool rewords and "un-nerfed" Isshin go there. Enjoy your day.

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-5 13:05:47

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-12-5 14:18
And that a different host. We play on GoGames. You want those cool rewords and "un-nerfed" Isshin ...

Ok sir, i will go =]

author: RiadDahoe time: 2015-12-5 13:20:40

King_Akaba replied at 2015-12-4 21:28
Isshin was fixed because his skill wasn't working as it should. He was giving 100% combo rate to all ...

fixed is such a strong word, they could have fixed it when they saw the problem , but they left it a very long time, but then came kensei , and nerfing ishin would push people 2 buy kensei ... really sucky move on there part ...

author: RiadDahoe time: 2015-12-5 13:22:49

Xallog replied at 2015-12-5 01:42
Is it really a nerf if they make a fix so Isshin does what was intended to do in the first place? Se ...

remember when they "fixed " dark rukia buff problem , they did it asap .... but they left ishin , knowing lots of people would get him ......

author: RiadDahoe time: 2015-12-5 13:25:03

Cronosel replied at 2015-12-5 11:43
Original Isshin :

awesome.....

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2015-12-5 13:39:39

This is the normal Isshin

A partner being so cheap should not go back to his old ways of beating say 40k gold partners, that is what old Isshin could simply do by just focusing him; winning against people that have spent much more than you, even triple more than you, but as long as you focus Isshin you can win

and no I am not stating this because I've come across a problematic Isshin or I am happy with the nerf etc. just I've had more than enough experience with him, and seeing how op he was before was generally stupid for such a priced character

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-5 13:40:03

RiadDahoe replied at 2015-12-5 15:20
fixed is such a strong word, they could have fixed it when they saw the problem , but they left it ...

True history

author: King_Akaba time: 2015-12-5 14:25:16

Edited by King_Akaba at 2015-12-5 14:31

RiadDahoe replied at 2015-12-5 13:22
remember when they "fixed " dark rukia buff problem , they did it asap .... but they left ishin , ...

dark rukia was never the problem. The problem was that buffs from partners like d. rukia, c. orihime, w. ichigo, etc... were stacking when they weren't supposed to be. I know kosmo mentioned that it looks like buffs do in fact stack in cn but if i'm not mistaken buffs are not supposed to stack here (at least they aren't supposed to yet). That being said the buff stacking wasn't immediately fixed although i will admit that lasted only a short amount of time. The reason that it needed prompt fixing though was because of players like curls who at the time was one shotting lvl 150 evil spirits thanks to the buffs from white ichigo continuously stacking...

author: Miliandra time: 2015-12-5 14:57:29

We need a Unnerf isshin!
Than there is nothing we can do about it?
Brah, and you can help us?

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-12-5 15:12:36

Unnerf Demon Ichigo.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-5 15:26:33

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-12-5 15:12
Unnerf Demon Ichigo.

lol demon just got buffed in indo

author: Miliandra time: 2015-12-5 15:39:59

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-12-5 23:12
Unnerf Demon Ichigo.

WAAAAATTTTT?

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 15:43:25

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-5 23:26
lol demon just got buffed in indo

What buff he got?

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-12-5 15:44:06

Gurr replied at 2015-12-5 15:43
What buff he got?

everything lol , lvl at begining+stats+skill+talent

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 15:45:47

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-12-5 23:44
everything lol , lvl at begining+stats+skill+talent

can i see screen or smth?

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-12-5 15:47:52

Gurr replied at 2015-12-5 15:45
can i see screen or smth?

can't get to indo now , got banned a month ago lol

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-5 15:56:54

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-12-5 21:47
can't get to indo now , got banned a month ago lol

I guess you trolled them too hard over there

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-12-5 15:58:18

Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-5 15:56
I guess you trolled them too hard over there

no i just sent the devs "a lil" troll mails on their support mails

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-5 16:38:02

King_Akaba replied at 2015-12-4 21:28
Isshin was fixed because his skill wasn't working as it should. He was giving 100% combo rate to all ...

you obviously have no idea what your talking about... The nerf we speak of is this...
his stats got cut dramatically
his damage rate got cut from 250% down to 190%
His fury regen went away

yes the 100% combo rate was very very nice, but that was a bug and while bummed, I'm not upset about that at all. the rest of it... hell yes, fix that jazz

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-5 16:40:00

Xallog replied at 2015-12-5 01:42
Is it really a nerf if they make a fix so Isshin does what was intended to do in the first place? Se ...

look at him in other servers... he's very different... just look around before you assume everyone is begging for freebies plz

author: rythen time: 2015-12-5 17:55:07

Edited by rythen at 2015-12-6 00:25

Gurr replied at 2015-12-5 21:45
can i see screen or smth?

indo version starting level 105

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-12-5 18:08:17

rythen replied at 2015-12-5 17:55
indo version starting level 105

ik about the lvl and 240% instead of 200%...but dammm 25% more block and -20% immune to enemies?

op af

author: Xallog time: 2015-12-5 18:29:59

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author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-12-5 18:54:09

rythen replied at 2015-12-5 17:55
indo version starting level 105

tnx kris <3

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-5 19:03:03

Yes this demon ichigo is well above all others. And thank you for all who are participating in the poll.

author: LordGanju time: 2015-12-5 23:36:21

#LEAVEHIMNERFED!!!

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-5 23:38:32

rythen replied at 2015-12-6 01:55
indo version starting level 105

Soo he lose his heal from skill?

author: rythen time: 2015-12-5 23:42:56

Gurr replied at 2015-12-6 05:38
Soo he lose his heal from skill?

seems so, don't have a BR to check

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-6 01:50:54

Gurr replied at 2015-12-5 23:38
Soo he lose his heal from skill?

Yeah he doesn't have a heal there. He's meant to be an offensive VG not a defensive healer VG. That's why instead of healing he reduces enemy immune rate, so they take more damage.

author: JianJinhai time: 2015-12-6 01:58:54

rythen replied at 2015-12-5 23:42
seems so, don't have a BR to check

would u like to show us his talent aswell?

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-6 02:53:37

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-6 09:50
Yeah he doesn't have a heal there. He's meant to be an offensive VG not a defensive healer VG. Tha ...

well then i need to get 6th mod before he's changed on my server

author: iz4n4minok4mi time: 2015-12-6 07:47:47

I think that with partners like hiki with her ridiculous skill combined with her speed for just 12k gold (seriously who thought that fury deduct combined with invincibility so enemy team cant get fury back is not OP lol), there is no reason not to get original version of isshin. He might have been a bit OP at the beginning at CN with his 100 fury regen and overall good stats but he was pretty expensive and it was over a year ago lol..These days, there is so many much better partners for +- same price tag that basically his only use is in pve even with original stats.. There is no point running isshin in pvp with hiki and other partners around.

author: Cronosel time: 2015-12-6 10:13:16

iz4n4minok4mi replied at 2015-12-6 09:47
I think that with partners like hiki with her ridiculous skill combined with her speed for just 12k ...

i think the same

author: 595459354 time: 2015-12-6 10:48:20

rythen replied at 2015-12-5 23:55
indo version starting level 105

It amazes me how they can just change a skill as they see fit...

Oh looks like today Mugetsu needs a bit more love, let's change his skill.
Depending on retard HQ's, they'd make him worse/'ok' ... BUT the ppl that bought him probably needed the orginal skill and not some extra dmg or w/e

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-6 10:54:56

idk if i should even use isshin anymore....

pve... im wondering between him OR shura ken... i am all for the removed nerf since his combo is fixed.

author: nieverland time: 2015-12-6 11:59:19

Well.... when CN servs release Isshin he was REALLY expensive and only 1 guy buy him acroos the servs (i dont remember the name of the event, but something that gives Isshin to the player that topup or spend more gold across the servs, something like that

) and here was actually free because he was at UBP the first time, so i dont see the problem, even they left him with 100% combo rate

BTW there are a lot of better chars atm here

author: iz4n4minok4mi time: 2015-12-6 12:06:59

595459354 replied at 2015-12-6 10:48
It amazes me how they can just change a skill as they see fit...

Oh looks like today Mugetsu need ...

That demon ichigo was exactly like that at indo since the beginning. They didnt have the version we have and then changed him. So there was no loss lol

Also he basically only lost his hp regen and everything else is better compared to our version for the same price so I would say ppl there should be quite happy

author: 595459354 time: 2015-12-6 12:26:16

iz4n4minok4mi replied at 2015-12-6 18:06
That demon ichigo was exactly like that at indo since the beginning. They didnt have the version w ...

Nope, that HPregain could be a game changer.

What's better or not depends on the user's opinion + it's just stupid how they can change stuff as they see fit.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-7 09:11:24

Xallog replied at 2015-12-5 18:29
I'm not assuming. The 100% combo rate was not intended, the skill even states 35%. If it is not wo ...

um... I know the 100% combo was not intended... but if you look at him in the Russian servers and many others, he had stats on par with yama, his damage % was 250% and he gained 100 fury after he skilled... that is the nerf we are talking about bro, not the combo %

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-7 14:09:24

Gurr replied at 2015-12-6 02:53
well then i need to get 6th mod before he's changed on my server

small favor if you would. please post your pics of original Isshin and nerffed Isshin so some of these people can see what we are talking about... It's annoying that people seem to think we are bitching about his combo rate thing. Thanks either way!!

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-7 14:49:05 Title: found eng version

Edited by Gurr at 2015-12-7 22:55

your issin

original issin

author: Xallog time: 2015-12-7 16:23:31

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-7 17:49:17

Gurr replied at 2015-12-7 14:49
your issin
original issin

thanks!!

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-7 23:49:08

changing the skill of someone AFTER everyone gets him/her is super annoying... we form our teams based on this shit... at least un nerf isshin... i mean kensei getting all his fury back is broke as fk. why cant isshin do the same? I know i paid a fk ton for his ass. and how are they gonna LET HIM do the 100% combo thing for over a YEAR and release kensei and "fix" him. they butchered his growth and %dmgrate on skill and he doesnt regain fury... he is the same as kensei in terms of gold and WAY LESS reliable. i had 2 get rid of him in pvp because he is just BAD... and thats like 250-500$ down the drain....

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-7 23:51:46

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-7 23:49
changing the skill of someone AFTER everyone gets him/her is super annoying... we form our teams bas ...

They stated what the skill was correctly and you bought it. Him offering 100% combo rate was a glitch, they never stated that that was his skill, it ALWAYS said 35%. You found out about this glitch on the forums and bought it to exploit it. It's no ones fault but your own.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-8 01:56:52

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-7 23:51
They stated what the skill was correctly and you bought it. Him offering 100% combo rate was a gli ...

i bought him for combo yes, did i know it was glitched at the time? no. I honestly didnt know about it i am pretty new like 5 months?. regardless that still doesnt make it take over a year to fix this "Exploit" and they do it right after kensei release??? not buying it.

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-8 02:07:22

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-8 01:56
i bought him for combo yes, did i know it was glitched at the time? no. I honestly didnt know abou ...

Bro his skill clearly said 35%

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-8 02:10:42

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-8 02:07
Bro his skill clearly said 35%

yeah i thought it was 35 . found out later it was bugged too 100%. i just hate that they left it like that for over a year and kensei fury gens to 100. the skill change i was talking about earlier was demon ichigo from a defensive 2 a offensive VG.

author: JianJinhai time: 2015-12-8 06:26:01

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-8 02:10
yeah i thought it was 35 . found out later it was bugged too 100%. i just hate that they left it l ...

wtf are you on about? are you now gonna complain that they are buffing demon ichigo? pls.. they did nothing but FIX isshin.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-8 09:05:25

JianJinhai replied at 2015-12-8 06:26
wtf are you on about? are you now gonna complain that they are buffing demon ichigo? pls.. they di ...

he wont heal with that change

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-8 10:22:22

JianJinhai replied at 2015-12-8 06:26
wtf are you on about? are you now gonna complain that they are buffing demon ichigo? pls.. they di ...

they nerffed him before they released him bro. he had yama's stats, 250% damage rate, and regained 100 fury on self. look further up on this page, gurr posted both shots of nerffed and un nerffed isshins

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-8 13:09:57

isshin is just plain unfair thats all there is to it

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-8 21:22:22

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-8 13:09
isshin is just plain unfair thats all there is to it

kirio/kensei isnt?

author: uwannadonkey time: 2015-12-9 12:30:08

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-8 21:22
kirio/kensei isnt?

they do exactly as their skill described. I get you are sour about the fact they fixed a BUG, but get over it. this entire thread is a circlejerk trying to undo a bugfix because you guys got him because he was broken, but now that he is fixed you are butthurt.

author: Gurr time: 2015-12-9 12:35:49

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-12-9 20:30
they do exactly as their skill described. I get you are sour about the fact they fixed a BUG, but ...

100 fury regen it NOT a bug 250% damage rate is NOT a bug, higher growth rate and base stats are NOT a bug. Why are you pointing bug in combo but ignoring nerf in everithing else?

author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-9 18:36:17

Gurr replied at 2015-12-9 12:35
100 fury regen it NOT a bug 250% damage rate is NOT a bug, higher growth rate and base stats are NO ...

cause he thinks im complaining about that which i clearly said i wasnt.

author: Cerisaia time: 2015-12-11 16:49:23

I'm choking because of this

author: Ellisande time: 2016-5-25 01:34:16

There needs to be a third option, slightly buff Isshin but don't unnerf him. Also he wasn't actually nerfed. He was fixed. He was never supposed to give 100% combo rate.

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-6-9 04:00:15

Booo... he is shit. If you want combo.. get kensei

author: Cronosel time: 2016-6-9 10:45:42

Uzumakia1 replied at 2016-6-9 06:00
Booo... he is shit. If you want combo.. get kensei

SIX MONTHS LATER ...

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-6-10 03:31:39

Cronosel replied at 2016-6-9 15:45
SIX MONTHS LATER ...

waiting for 1yr next

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-6-10 07:14:28

Cronosel replied at 2016-6-9 10:45
SIX MONTHS LATER ...

never be late

author: Kurumadani time: 2016-6-10 12:47:09

My Senpai Isshin needs to be restored to his former glory.

author: Dotiie time: 2016-6-10 12:53:19

Kurumadani replied at 2016-6-10 17:47
My Senpai Isshin needs to be restored to his former glory.

100% agreed

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