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Title: Final Form Figuring, or somthing. [Print this page]

author: kosmik time: 2015-12-7 14:44:54 Title: Final Form Figuring, or somthing.

Ok, setting my final form cause I'm too lazy too change out anything 99% of the time so, options.
Running 1/1/3 with Murumasa (only $ zanpak I have). Don't Mind changing. I have 1 pure t1 option and a 2nd T1 option with anyone evo'd over 9 (all listed are 6 or higher...roughly)
Character options - (by level)
-VG
*Nozarashi Kenpachi

-Assaulters
*Res. Uliquorria
*Hakuteiken Byakuya

-Supports
*CSB Aizen (evo 11)
*Shinso Gin
*Retsu Unohana (would need a re-rent :/)
*Shinigami Uruhara
*Hikufune Kirio
*Ultima Aizen
*Oetsu Nimaiya
*Kirinji Tenjiro

and about any other tavern/HMA char you can think of (20 chars total)

With those options, lemmie hear some community setups see if I can run a little better than I am currently. Also state your reasoning behind the formation please.
Can list stones if needed, just average them at 9.

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-7 14:57:22

You have a few options. You can go no vanguard, or normal build.

No VG: Kirio, Shinso, Oetsu, Res Ulq, Main ( Kirio and Shinso need Evo 9, Kirio first, Shinso second giving fury to rest ).

VG: Kirio, Ultima Aizen, Oetsu, Main, Nozarashi ( Kirio first, Ultima Aizen second )

Oetsu goes last in both teams.

author: kosmik time: 2015-12-7 15:01:35

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-7 14:57
You have a few options. You can go no vanguard, or normal build.

No VG: Kirio, Shinso, Oetsu, Res U ...

Nice idea on the no VG, shinso is evo 8 already so would be the easiest to do. I'm guessing ultima in VG form for the chaos on opp vg?

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2015-12-7 15:22:33

What 'I don't like Curls so i'll give him to Zento' guy said, those 2 options he gave are the best there ^^

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-7 15:25:08

kosmik replied at 2015-12-7 15:01
Nice idea on the no VG, shinso is evo 8 already so would be the easiest to do. I'm guessing ultim ...

More so for just the overall CC Ultima Aizen provides. It allows you more time for your skills to go off, in combination with Kirio.

For the no VG Team, I would look to replace Res Ulq eventually. Kirio, Shinso, Res Ulq, and Main can all hit Assaulters/Support, the likelyhood of something surviving those attacks is really, really small. So much so, that replacing Res Ulq with basically anyone, wouldn't change much.

Mugetsu would be the obvious choice, as it provides more then Res Ulq, and gives combo to your 3 supporters, one of which gives fury to your Mugetsu, etc.

Basically, at that point, you want someone good in PvE and PvP, so you only really have to swap Oetsu out.

author: kosmik time: 2015-12-7 15:38:25

Edited by kosmik at 2015-12-7 15:40

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-7 15:25
More so for just the overall CC Ultima Aizen provides. It allows you more time for your skills to ...

I see the point, only need 1 more evo for ultima anyways and it combo's with the zanpak. Only reason I run a VG currently is for GW since everyone and their sister has a zanpak that hits supps and saults and my vg can solo a good chunk of people blocking them to death. No chance of Mugetsu, I don't top often and he's hella expensive atm, my only other option is CSB byak (got em for bonds), but same deal as uliq, and would lose burn on the VG who would be the only thing alive at that point, maybe.
Prolly should got CSB ken insead, but hindsight is 20/20.
Could always swap oetsu for nimaya for the dmg/burn, going last instead of using uliq. Need a VG hitter for a no VG form, damnit.

author: Amaimoon23 time: 2015-12-7 22:35:19

*CSB Aizen (evo 11)
*Shinso Gin
*Hikufune Kirio
*Ultima Aizen
*Oetsu Nimaiya
*Kirinji Tenjiro

Run all of them

You got all the nice supps I'm so jelly

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-7 23:05:53

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-7 23:07

I guess the smart thing to do would be to full T1 your Hiki/Shinso then having Shinso t1 your third supporter/main. Third should really be up to you honestly, I would PERSONALLY go for Oetsu.
You should stack your speed on Hiki for the most part. Speed order should be Hiki > Shinso > third supporter

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-7 23:15:05

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-7 23:05
I guess the smart thing to do would be to full T1 your Hiki/Shinso then having Shinso t1 your third ...

You don't want Oetsu to go third, you want him to go last, after everything has been cleared out. The only problem with running 3-1-1 is that you may run into issues with damage type and clearing all the targets. You want the highest possible chance of Oetsu landing Mutilate on the VG. Usually that will take at least one additional assaulter, which is why most people gravitate towards 3-2 when they get to that level of 5 Turn 1's .

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-7 23:18:59

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-7 23:23

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-7 23:15
You don't want Oetsu to go third, you want him to go last, after everything has been cleared out. ...

You should have no problem clearing everything except the vanguard out with Hiki + Shinso lol making Oetsu go even before your main character is not only really difficult (because mains are trash) but stupid. Also, on that note, even if you don't kill the vanguard turn one, who cares? Very few vanguards in this game are T1 and capable of sweeping a team. It shouldn't matter even if you don't land mutilate on him.

Edit: Even if mutilate doesn't land on vanguard Hiki made your team invulnerable from damage, their vangaurd literally can't kill you next turn. Your argument literally means nothing.

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-7 23:27:16

Edited by Aristeaus at 2015-12-7 23:28

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-7 23:18
You should have no problem clearing everything except the vanguard out with Hiki + Shinso lol makin ...

1: Hiki and Shino are 120% Kido attacks. They aren't lighting the world on fire. Stacked supporters aren't dying to that.
2: Main should go before Oetsu. It is not difficult at all, you just don't level Oetsu's boots. Mains are not as trash as you think, and getting a extra 200% attack all before Oetsu will often lead to getting that extra sticky character off the board so that Oetsu will 100% Mutilate VG.

Finally: You aren't worried about getting swept by the VG ability. You are worried about Oetsu getting block killed, and most VG have a attack all that in conjunction with a block, will kill a supporter with that low of a stamina growth rate. If Oetsu falls, your chances of beating a stacked block heavy VG drop significantly. Why on earth would you want that to happen when you can easily avoid it?

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-7 23:32:33

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-7 23:33

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-7 23:27
1: Hiki and Shino are 120% Kido attacks. They aren't lighting the world on fire. Stacked supporter ...

What? Blocked? Is that really what you've resorted to? Most people by this time have 90%+ armor break, blocks are extremely rare at this point. Also yeah they're both 120% attack, so is Oetsu, but if all three of them were to go I can almost guarantee at the very least the enemies assaulters and supports would be dead. (Keep in mind I generally kill every partner on the other team including their vanguard with one 120% attack all) Excluding the vanguard, because he doesn't matter since you're invulnerable from damage and having their vanguard block and kill your team is extremely unlikely, you've basically won at this point. Not to mention Hiki has lowered their Fury so they most likely won't skill if she's faster. That is of course if you outspeed, which you most definitely should instead of purposefully slowing down one of the fastest characters in the game (Oetsu) for your warped sense of how this game works.

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-7 23:34:52

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-7 23:27
1: Hiki and Shino are 120% Kido attacks. They aren't lighting the world on fire. Stacked supporters ...

I don't care if YOU'RE bad at the game, but at least refrain from giving bad advice to someone who's genuinely looking for help.

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-12-7 23:44:06

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-7 23:27
1: Hiki and Shino are 120% Kido attacks. They aren't lighting the world on fire. Stacked supporters ...

Main should go before Oetsu

you're a special kind of stupid arent you

you arent normal stupid

you're advanced stupid

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-8 00:50:10

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-7 23:32
What? Blocked? Is that really what you've resorted to? Most people by this time have 90%+ armor bre ...

You can almost guarantee.

Not sure why you are arguing. The only difference between my strategy and yours is that mine minimizes potential problems, while yours shrugs at it. That is the difference between a fully fledged out strategy, and some copy of something you saw once. You want Oetsu to skill last, because if he casts Mutilate on the supporter who lived with 100 hp, it is completely wasted. I would rather not waste my powerful debuffs.

But go ahead and continue being a scrub. It isn't like I have been here longer then you crushing my competition since beta and literally forming the meta with my posts.. Oh wait... Weren't you the one to say Kirio wasn't even good because block VG's? lolol

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-8 01:08:59

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-8 01:11

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-8 00:50
You can almost guarantee.

Not sure why you are arguing. The only difference between my strategy ...

No, I wasn't the one to say that. I've literally never run into a vanguard that has been a problem in the history of me playing this game. They just don't do anything anymore. Very easily shut down. Good job getting your facts wrong. I believe my strategy would work more than yours. Making Oetsu fast to potentially outspeed surviving enemy supports and finishing them off will more often than not save you more than having your slow ass main skill to finish them off.

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-8 01:13:50

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-8 01:08
No, I wasn't the one to say that. Good job getting your facts wrong. I believe my strategy would w ...

Appologies then.

In either case, why exactly do you need Oetsu to outspeed anything? Kirio made him immune, so it doesn't matter if he is second, or fifth. If your Main/VG can finish off anything that lives through Kirio and Shinso ( which you assert is very little already ), why wouldn't you have Oetsu go last in that case?

For you to say that your strategy works better when you, yourself, have said that very little survives, is just jokes man. Literally makes no sense. I am not at all saying your strategy wouldn't work, but you leave it open to having more rounds then needed, which can cause problems.

author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-8 01:21:18

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-8 01:13
Appologies then.

In either case, why exactly do you need Oetsu to outspeed anything? Kirio made ...

Because in both cases we're assuming that his Hiki would outspeed. If his Hiki does outspeed then literally nothing changes between your strategy and mine. In the case that it doesn't outspeed his having another extremely fast supporter boosted with Muramasa and with such high growth rates as Oetsu would benefit your team much more than your main character ever would.

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