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author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-11 15:51:44     Title: B.RenjiVsShuraken question

A few weeks ago I posted a stupid question asking who was better shura ken or tavern ken.  I must have been high when I asked that.  So I'm gonna do some redemption hopefully by posting another question.

People saying how good Berserk renji is, but I already got isshin for pve, just finished paying for him.  And I'm 200 stones away from 4000 challenge stones, enough to get shura ken.  

12k gold seems a bit too much for berserk renji.  I could very well get restu unohana kenpachi for that price, or even hiki, though truth be told, I don't need neither.  I wanted to wait to see if they release another support that's equally good and maybe cheaper.


SO on with the important question.  I assume B.renji is better than shura ken.  I'm Using kisuke and kirinji as supports.  And using main and isshin as assaulters, who would be better to get.  Berserk renji or shura ken.

And if the answer is berserk renji, is the difference between berserk renji and shura kenpachi that high of a difference?
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-11 15:55:55

Berserk Renji carried me through to beat Aizen in the hollow soul map, he boosted my damage an insane amount in pve netting me tons and tons of experience and silver and in PvP he really isn't bad either, essentially wiping out two characters from the enemy team when he skills. Undoubtedly an amazing partner and better than shura kenpachi.
author: King_Akaba    time: 2015-12-11 16:01:00

I have both shura ken. and b. renji and its pretty obvious that renji is better than shura ken right from the start. When i first got b. renji i already had shura ken on his second mod and around 10 levels higher but using b. renji in my formation still boosted my damage quite a lot. Now if he's worth spending the 12k gold is up for you decide.  I hope that helped answer your question
author: dionysvs    time: 2015-12-11 16:05:13

one is free after a yr of playing and the other 12k gold
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-11 19:31:42

drop your Isshin, he is pretty much useless now, try run both b-renji and shura ken at the same time, let me know the result :x
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-11 19:38:00

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-11 19:31
drop your Isshin, he is pretty much useless now, try run both b-renji and shura ken at the same time ...

What you just said might have been the dumbest thing ever said in the history of this game.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-12-11 19:44:40

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-12-12 01:55
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 01:38
What you just said might have been the dumbest thing ever said in the history of this game.

Erm NO. Isshin needs some work now. Our no.1 is not that far ahead in pve now for the same reason. Until you pimp his combo rate up to 50% you could drop him and see what happens. Don't be that fast of a shit talker, it might come back to you
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-11 20:12:17

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-11 15:55
Berserk Renji carried me through to beat Aizen in the hollow soul map, he boosted my damage an insan ...

Shura's skill though could be critical in late ryoka waves and on those high lvl evil spirit which currently is 150, where blocking could be a good choice, for survivability.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-11 20:13:37

King_Akaba replied at 2015-12-11 16:01
I have both shura ken. and b. renji and its pretty obvious that renji is better than shura ken right ...

Yeah that's the point.  12kgold is a bit well, I cld get hikifune for that price, also retsu unohana kenpachi too.  Since shura was free from csb, I was hoping the difference be not that much.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-11 20:14:58

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-11 19:31
drop your Isshin, he is pretty much useless now, try run both b-renji and shura ken at the same time ...

I just finished paying for him.  How would I know he'd ever get nerfed.  When he got nerfed, I had wasted about 8k gold, from renewing him.  If it had been way earlier like 1k gold, I'd have saved and gotten b.renji instead.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-11 20:17:16

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-11 19:44
Erm NO. Isshin needs some work now. Our no.1 is not that far ahead in pve now for the same reason.  ...

Isshin's combo rate ( and Kensei's ) is very similar to BRenji's Crit buff or Kirio's Attack Buff. They are multiplicative buffs that will always provide more damage over a regular character.

Replacing Isshin with Brenji will give you a slight buff, however you should use BRenji with a combo buff character. That is pretty much PvE 101.
author: theunknown404    time: 2015-12-11 20:59:26

Berserk Renji is significantly better then Shura Kenpachi for 2 reasons:

1) Skills every turn
2) Increases critical damage of all allies by 50%
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-12-11 21:06:56

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-11 17:17
Isshin's combo rate ( and Kensei's ) is very similar to BRenji's Crit buff or Kirio's Attack Buff. ...

This is what needs to be done. Combine Renji with a combo char like isshin or Kensei. You get more damage with Renji but your not using him to the full potential if you don't have an combo char. So keep Isshin. I would use Hiki in the back if you can spare the cash to boost the damage off the partners ontop of that.

I only get 240mil damage in ES >.<
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-11 23:53:55

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-11 19:44
Erm NO. Isshin needs some work now. Our no.1 is not that far ahead in pve now for the same reason.  ...

Well said.

One word... Owned.

I have Isshin myself, I only pray by luck that he actually make other assaulters getting into combo during PvE hours.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-11 23:54:52

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-11 20:14
I just finished paying for him.  How would I know he'd ever get nerfed.  When he got nerfed, I had ...

I know, I have him too, I can feel your pain.
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-12-12 00:24:04

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-11 19:44
Erm NO. Isshin needs some work now. Our no.1 is not that far ahead in pve now for the same reason.  ...

yeah, if he doesn't get restored to his former glory (pre nerf, not pre fix) I really am looking at Shini Kensei...  in fact, even if he does get restored Kensei has a good crowd control going on...  i like crowd control
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-12 00:54:58

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-11 23:53
Well said.

One word... Owned.

Yeah. Owned. It isn't like the best player in the game was in complete agreement with me literally the post above yours. Oh wait...
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-12 01:08:53

bwg2469 replied at 2015-12-11 21:06
This is what needs to be done. Combine Renji with a combo char like isshin or Kensei. You get more ...

That's the problem.  I can't spare the cash, lol.  One of the main reasons why I got shura kenpachi in the first place.  Because for 12000 gold, I got 3 options, well 4 but shinso gin don't count cause he can be gotten in alliance shop a lot cheaper, in due time.

1. get hiki for 12k
2. get retsu unohana kenpachi for 12k gold
3. get b.renji for 12k gold

author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-12 01:44:32

Edited by DeEmEn at 2015-12-12 01:49
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 00:54
Yeah. Owned. It isn't like the best player in the game was in complete agreement with me literally ...

He is the richest, of course he is the best. I already proved hiki is weaker than shinso in ES, so to me, his statement is already at fault. If you only base on what people are saying, even from the best, without trying it yourself, you are just a follower. My damage is similar to his in ES, so I get some saying in this matter as well. I am asking him to test it out with shura + b.renji, because I haven't tried it.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-12 01:45:52

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-12 01:08
That's the problem.  I can't spare the cash, lol.  One of the main reasons why I got shura kenpach ...

Get b.renji, dont think twice for that... Your damage will be boosted by millions.
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-12 02:01:20

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-12 02:05
DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 01:44
He is the richest, of course he is the best. I already proved hiki is weaker than shinso in ES, so  ...

Hiki is not weaker than shinso in ES. I have both, my shinso is almost equally evo'd and leveled and when equipped he makes my damage drop by now almost 13m. I tested this when we had the argument about shinso the other day. I currently use Hiki/kenp uno/ b.renji and isshin.

Don't spread your false "facts". Just because one thing works for you doesn't mean it'll work for everyone.
I'll give it another try tomorrow and reply with the results, but the results seemed fairly certain the last time I tested.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-12 02:04:49

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-12 02:01
Hiki is not weaker than shinso in ES. I have both, my shinso is almost equally evo'd and leveled an ...

Tell me how many times Hiki can skill before they all die?
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-12 02:06:20

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 02:04
Tell me how many times Hiki can skill before they all die?

She can skill 3 times.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-12 02:11:27

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-12 02:06
She can skill 3 times.

I wonder where she gets the fury.
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-12 02:22:28

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-12 02:34
DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 02:11
I wonder where she gets the fury.

Nowhere. It's at least two, if not three.
With shinso everyone would skill one extra time? Excluding Berserk Renji since he regains 100 fury every round. Isshin and my main can skill one extra time during ES. Not worth it. Take that extra damage percent from each of my partners skill and compare it to the 50% extra attack they gain from hiki twice during ES and you should understand why I do more with her than with Shinso.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-12 02:31:35

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-12 02:22
Nowhere. I've never watched since it auto battles on default. It's at least two, if not three.

Cool. I am done. Carry on with your discussion. =]
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-12 02:33:34

Edited by NNatsu at 2015-12-12 02:35
DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 02:31
Cool. I am done. Carry on with your discussion. =]

kbai.
Like I said earlier I'll try it once again tomorrow and post my results, but I'm 99% sure they'll be the same as they were two days ago.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-12-12 08:21:56

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 06:54
Yeah. Owned. It isn't like the best player in the game was in complete agreement with me literally ...

Motherfucker nobody said drop isshin forever or anything like that. He used a stronger word useless that's all, and he wasn't completely right saying that but whatever, if you look at it closer instead of caling people stupit he ended with let me know the result, cause he also has isshin and is a little frustrated that's all.

The thing with isshin now is that he isn't a broke piece of shit like he used to be, and needs some work done. Now he could use 110 ultimate set. Now it makes sense that he get's combo from evo. Now that kensei combo mod does make sense etc.

I tend to agree with you, but see nothing wrong with what he said. My sexy yoruichi has 20% combo from being lvl 3 evo, so even is isshin would come in UBP or whatever i probably wouldn't get him, i'm fine as it is. So that's 101 for you.

I'll use nemu in ES if i want to... 101
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-12-12 08:27:17

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 06:54
Yeah. Owned. It isn't like the best player in the game was in complete agreement with me literally ...

And stop with the ass kissing, who gives a shit if no.1 agreed and no.5 disagreed
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-12-12 09:06:56

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-11 20:13
Yeah that's the point.  12kgold is a bit well, I cld get hikifune for that price, also retsu unoha ...

just for you to know b. renji is better than both of those by miles in pve and better than retsu in pvp
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-12-12 09:09:58

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 01:44
He is the richest, of course he is the best. I already proved hiki is weaker than shinso in ES, so  ...

you say that ? in fact there is a reason why she is better for him ... his team f***ing skills everyround anyway

#f*** you " Boat With Gold"
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-12 14:55:56

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-12-12 09:09
you say that ? in fact there is a reason why she is better for him ... his team f***ing skills eve ...

I saw his video of how he fights, his team doesnt skill every round.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-12 15:15:50

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-12 08:21
Motherfucker nobody said drop isshin forever or anything like that. He used a stronger word useles ...

He said drop Isshin from the team. That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. Period.

Isshin is a combo rate giver. I don't care about anything else. He makes it so that everyone gets +35% combo rate, which will generate slightly over 1 extra attack, on average, per round on a 3 assaulter team. That is a multiplicative damage increase.

He works the same way Berserk Renji does. Did you think that people swoon over Berserk Renji for his 280% or his 100 fury gain? No. He is great because of his crit damage buff, which like Isshin, is a multiplicative damage increase. The other stuff is good, but its the buff that makes your damage shoot up that much.

He doesn't need any work, at all. He is the third best PvE assaulter in the game ( Behind Berserk Renji, and Kensei ), and he isn't all that far behind Kensei. He is cheaper then Kensei, and you can grab him from Anniversary, which makes him a better value pick up then Kensei ( short of 20k Pyramid top ups ).

The Ideal PvE team is Berserk Renji + Combo Buffer ( Kensei OR Isshin ). Dropping one of them, is just straight up retarded.  
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-12 15:23:55

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-12-12 09:06
just for you to know b. renji is better than both of those by miles in pve and better than retsu i ...

And on top of that he's ghost blade.  So that will save a ton of time and make it very much easier to change gear.  

As for better for both, hmm not sure there on hikifune.  Hikifune is really good for same price.  I mean no partner gets close to what she does.  

If they could only lower the price of b.renji I'd get him asap.  If they made him same price as oetsu, I'd get him on the spot.  As would many others, but for his current price, not sure there, not with hikifune who's also same price.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-12 15:26:16

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 01:44
He is the richest, of course he is the best. I already proved hiki is weaker than shinso in ES, so  ...

Hiki is not weaker then Shinso in ES. Hiki provides a Attack rate buff ( which is better then Damage %, mind you ), and gets multiplied by damage % buffs, Zanpakuto passives, Evo Damage Rate, Gear Damage Rate, etc.

Ignoring all of the complicated math that you probably won't understand to begin with, her skilling 1 time is the equivilent of +250% attack for your team, which is like getting 2.5 extra attacks ( which, again, is actually more then that with multipliers ).

Shinso is a upgraded Tavern Urahara in ES. His attack all, stun, etc, don't do anything in ES. Your statement of saying Shinso is better then Hiki would also apply to Tavern Urahara. Do you think he is better then Hiki? No. Of course not ( At least I hope you aren't actually that dumb ).

Besides that, why would you be arguing Shinso vs Hiki at all? You have at least 2 Supporter slots, you could use both. There are no real clear cut support choices like there are with Assaulters. Even in a support heavy PvE team featuring like Mugetsu for combo, you would still use both Hiki and Shinso.

There is a point where I can see Shinso being better then Hiki, but that is way lower on the totem pole then most of us are. You claim to have similar damage numbers as BWG ( which is bullshit, by the way ), and if that were the case, Hiki would very clearly provide more damage then Shinso would.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-12 15:28:49

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 15:15
He said drop Isshin from the team. That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. Period.

Isshin ...

People are also forgetting something.  Evolution and mods too.  My isshin has evolution 11, has like 10 upgraded bonds with soph rangiku so it's all high.  To start again from scratch with say, another partner, would be tough.  

Especially since it took forever to pay for isshin, for those that got him in rent and also to evolve him and bond with soph rangiku for attack boost.

Yet again, b.renji is a beast, so perhaps he'd be perfect with isshin, given the fact, people get him over hikifune.  At least those who barely make it to 12k gold.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-12 15:33:38

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-12 15:28
People are also forgetting something.  Evolution and mods too.  My isshin has evolution 11, has li ...

Fuck the evolution and mods. Isshin should never be dropped from your PvE team unless you get Kensei, or a new combo rate buffer is introduced.

People are fucking stupid. That is the problem.

I was having a conversation with one of my CSB competition yesterday, and we were talking about Red Hogyoku, and how the speed one would give +55,000 speed at level 50. I indicated that it is 55k speed TIMES speed bonuses. He went on to tell me that Hiki doesn't have any speed bonuses and I was dumb. I declined to inform him about Zanpakutos, or her 2 speed talents. This is a VIP 9 btw. People, are, fucking, stupid.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-12-12 18:53:19

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-12-13 00:55
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 21:15
He said drop Isshin from the team. That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. Period.

Isshin ...

Well fuck you cause I don't disagree with you on most of the said (Renji buff and Hiki buff). But i won't let you get away with dumbest thing anyone said when they're still people that come asking ikkaku or tousen for pve and similar stuff. You can't tell me that you wouldn't test stuff first and that you wouldn't kick isshin out if your dps would go down in some equasion. There is a lot of buffs that can be combined, smart ass like you knows that for sure you're just being biased.

Simple math that you used says everything, 35%. Your main doesn't have any combo like the third ass., that's why you can't compare isshin with b.renji when talking about buffs, cause your bound to have 50 60 70 whatever crit rate on your ass. line along with title yadayada. So there b. renji kicks ass. But you can't tell me that with that same renji that skills every time, along with the precious buff, that if you would pimp him with some combo thru stuff if possible (not sure how much he and shura get thru what), that eventually if you could combine 20-30% from both (him and shura ken) and get an extra attack either way, not like with isshin, but an extra attack here and there you wouldn't possibly go up in dps.  with them both furying and over furying with the help of supp. and ken's increase of surviveability

You can't tell me that maybe mugetsu with 25% combo later on that he would give to ass after his talent attack when worked on, and skill that gives supp. combo rate wouldn't possibly do that also (increase dps). You could inform yourself and see what could be done and possibly save yourself some gold and resourses. Maybe you will agree that there is something to what i said maybe you wouldn't I'm just trying to stick up for a guy that probably thought the same but didn't explain nor was given the chance to do so. And please don't call people stupid or retards that are trying argument things not argue with you, that ticks me off. Cheers


author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-12-12 19:15:57

Edited by Aristeaus at 2015-12-12 19:17
[email protected] replied at 2015-12-12 18:53
Well fuck you cause I don't disagree with you on most of the said (Renji buff and Hiki buff). But i ...

Extraneous combo rate, whether from mod, talent, bonds, or evo, is irrelevant. I didn't bring it up because it doesn't at all matter. Every character is going to have that stuff whether you use a combo rate character or not. I focused purely on the additional combo rate of Isshin, because that's the only factor that matter. Saying that you can get 20-30% combo on characters makes absolutely no sense at all. Isshin gives +35% combo rate, so no matter how much random combo rate you get from random stuff, you are adding +35% ( To each of 3 assaulters ). Again, simple math, what is better, 20% or 55%? A extra attack "here and there" is on average, just from Isshin, slightly over ONE FREE ATTACK per round. That is like having 6 characters. It is a multiplicative damage increase no matter how you slice it. Isshin is infinitely better then Shura Kenpachi, ESPECIALLY with BRenji.

Mugetsu would give a increase in DPS with his combo rate to supporters. However, to maximize this, you need 3 supporters receiving the buffs, which means you cannot use 3 assaulters, which means you have 1 less character blocking for free PvE damage. Additionally, Assaulters do more damage then Supporters do.  If they released another Shinso esque character, having a bunch of combo rated out free fury gain attacks might make it worth while to change the 2-3-0 dynamic, but right now the math is clearly in the favor of 3 assaulters.

As for me calling people stupid, I don't particularly think either of you are stupid. I don't know you. However, what he said, was without a doubt the dumbest thing ever said about this game. It is one thing if people don't know any better, but when someone asks a question in order to get help, and your response is something that will very obviously DECREASE overall damage, I am going to call you out on it. I will call out NNatsu, or BWG, or Kosmo just the same as they have called me out on things.

This forum exists for us to share information. Good information. What pisses me off is when people run around here telling people to do something that is going to hurt them, especially when it involves real life money.

The fact is, it is pretty well established at this point that the best PvE team is Berserk Renji, Kensei or Isshin,  Kirio and X. There is some debate on X being Unohana Kenpachi, or Shinso, or whatever, but the other 3 are facts, not opinions.
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-12-12 19:29:53

the fuck has this thread become

anyways

B.Renji is better, constant skill, becomes a Noza Ken in a way and buffs himself up after his first skill; his second skill is more dangerous can will happen almost every round (depends if he's T1 or not), and his stats for STR is better, alongside the amount of his he does ^^

worth it? yes, swappable for Shura Ken by a high standard? yes, he's a great buy ^^

Alot of these people might be biased when they test something out, but ugh, just look at partners from an overall and dumbed down point, you should get an answer that way ^^
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-12-13 04:37:49

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-12 14:55
I saw his video of how he fights, his team doesnt skill every round.

UNO KEN SKILL every round cz of combo , renji and keansei recover 100 fury what do you expect? and his main get 1-2 combos per round
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-13 15:50:46

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-12 15:33
Fuck the evolution and mods. Isshin should never be dropped from your PvE team unless you get Kens ...

Well, if they're stupid to be vip9 I don't blame him, lol.  No offense to the high level vips who give all their money to this game, lol.

I rather buy me a harley with that money.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-13 15:54:07

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-12-12 19:29
the fuck has this thread become

anyways

The real question is, if he's worth it for that price considering there are other partners who well we could get for same price.  S

ure it's not the same, support, assaulter, etc.  But for that price you can get hikifune or retsu unohana kenpachi.

I'm very sure he's way better than shura ken, that is perfectly clear to me.  Even better he's ghost blade so you save a lot of time there changing gear.  Thing is though, the price for him.  

If he was same price as isshin, 10k, then we wouldnt have this conversation, but unfortunately he's 12k.  And with that gold, it's tough to choose him, or hikifune or retsu kenpachi.
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-12-13 16:56:55

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-13 20:54
The real question is, if he's worth it for that price considering there are other partners who well ...

Ah, well now that just depends on how your formation is ^^

I'd personally pick B.Renji for myself, since im an assaulter based person, a HEAVY assaulter based person, I don't generally look at supports, so no Hiki for me ^^

If you are a balanced person, that just makes everyone on your team strong, i'd say go for Hiki, she pretty much fits that role of benefiting your whole team (ik these explanations sound dumb downed, but it's just to get a clear thought process going into you ^^)

The only reason you'd need Uno Ken is that you'd need such a partner that is literally impossible to kill after she skills, so she is out of the picture unless you absolutely NEED her ^^
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-13 20:19:11

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-12-13 16:56
Ah, well now that just depends on how your formation is ^^

I'd personally pick B.Renji for myself ...

Well that 400% skill on uno ken is really good.  At least gogames made it easier for shinso gin because he was my first option, but thanks to legend gallery and alliance shop, he's easier to get though it would take a good amount of time.

Perhaps I oughta have gotten b.renji, since I got zangetsu, and he'd fit well there.  Yet again, isshin helps me a lot in pvp because of his skill so I"m not sure I'd switch him out, as for 1-3-1  with isshin and b.renji, not sure there, since I got aizen as support who stuns supports and i need kisuke for t1, so b.renji would basically only be for pve.  
author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2015-12-14 05:20:53

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-14 01:19
Well that 400% skill on uno ken is really good.  At least gogames made it easier for shinso gin be ...

T1 is important, so yeah leave B.Renji for PVE, unless you can make him a boss and make him 1 shit the 2 folks he hits ^^

Well you see, you should only get Uno I'd you are going to focus her in a way, she needs 'care' and without it she'll be quite terrible :/ so only get her if you can make her great, but instead you can get the others and be fine with them from the start, helping you overall in every situation for both PVP and PVE ^^
Really, I'm kinda trying to say the other 2 partners are great for you being balanced or even assaulter based as they are flexible partners, whilst the Uno Ken is for a support based formation ^^
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-14 14:59:21

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-12-14 05:20
T1 is important, so yeah leave B.Renji for PVE, unless you can make him a boss and make him 1 shit ...

I think the main partner there, that makes you doubt for one second, whether to get b.renji or not is Hikifune.  She good in pve as I've heard, and is very very good for pvp.  

Though what I'd like to know is how good b.renji is for hollow soul.  Currently I use shura kenpachi for 1vs1 hollow soul and he works great because he hits hard so I finish the enemy in 2 turns.  Way better than my isshin, who I needed a lot of luck to beat the 1vs1 fights.  

I know shini yoro is good there, for the 1vs1 but I see no use for her after there.  

So what I'd really like to know is how good b.renji is for 1vs1 hollow fights.  I know group fights he's very good, but I wonder what about solo hollow fights.
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-14 15:23:12

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-14 14:59
I think the main partner there, that makes you doubt for one second, whether to get b.renji or not ...

Once I got Berserk Renji hollow soul became much easier. He's pretty fantastic.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-14 15:30:11

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-14 15:23
Once I got Berserk Renji hollow soul became much easier. He's pretty fantastic.

Even 1 vs 1?  Because on group fights I kinda manage at times with aizen and gin who stun supports and assaulters consecutively.  Though it's just the 1vs1 that I barely manage at times with isshin.  

I'd like to know how hard does berserk renji hits there in the 1vs1 fights.
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-14 15:37:45

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-14 15:30
Even 1 vs 1?  Because on group fights I kinda manage at times with aizen and gin who stun supports ...

It depends if you can t1 him or not. For me, after I got him I killed everyone in the 1v1 in two turns up until Aizen.
His skill just does so much damage, (reliant on you having high crit on him as well)
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-14 15:52:22

Edited by DeEmEn at 2015-12-14 16:00
SeiryuSky replied at 2015-12-13 04:37
UNO KEN SKILL every round cz of combo , renji and keansei recover 100 fury what do you expect? and ...

Have you seen his videos? his uno doesnt skill every round, his main doesnt, his hiki doesnt. You said his team, so his team doesn't include them?

I am done with this. No point of arguing with those who didnt try for shit.
btw, Aristeaus, my damage in ES is around 160-200mil. So... similar to his is still valid. Not BS.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-14 20:19:37

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-14 15:37
It depends if you can t1 him or not. For me, after I got him I killed everyone in the 1v1 in two tu ...

Not really.  Can't t1 him.  In any case fury stones don't really matter in group fights. I could very well use those slots for other stones.
author: NNatsu    time: 2015-12-14 21:40:28

MikkyX replied at 2015-12-14 20:19
Not really.  Can't t1 him.  In any case fury stones don't really matter in group fights. I could v ...

It doesn't matter in group fights but it does in 1v1's. Living one attack is easy, living two can be hard. The reason he's good is once he skills he massively boosts the amount of damage he'll do with his next skill. If you don't skill twice hes not good. You have to be semi-smart if you're going to have him carry you through hollow souls. He's the best pve partner in the game, if you havent been convinced to buy him yet just don't buy him. You're missing out though.
author: MikkyX    time: 2015-12-15 00:46:50

NNatsu replied at 2015-12-14 21:40
It doesn't matter in group fights but it does in 1v1's. Living one attack is easy, living two can  ...

OH I'm very well convinced.  Thing is though firstly, he's 12k gold.  A bit pricey for me.  I was thinking about getting hikifune for that same price.  She could be more useful.  

Secondly, I just got shura kenpachi.  Got him so he can give speed bond to shinso gin, when I get him in legend gallery.  IN any case shura kenpachi has helped me out in 1vs1 hollow battle, because I beat the enemy after I skill because he hits hard.  But since he's spirit blade, it's a pain switching gears with him in pve, that's why I was considering getting berserk renji.

If they drop berserk renji's price by 2k, same as isshin, I'd buy him.  Yet again, gogames can be generous and give us berserk renji for next ubp, lol.  



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