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author: manducho007    time: 2015-12-13 04:40:09     Title: kensei or Isshin?

Thinking of running Hikifune + urahara in the back (cant afford t1 unless I have urahara) isshin or kensei in front with main and just w/e van until I get SWP kempachi. Im also thinking of getting B. Renji for pve.

Who is better overall? Kensei or Isshin? Why?

And as a side note what Zanpa should I get? (cant afford tensa) This is for both pve and pvp so I don't wanna be switching. Right now I have Hyorin and Zabi. Thinking of getting either Zangetsu or Muramasa

Your opinions will be greatly appreciated. I cant afford the more expensive stuff and im trying to have a good team that's good for endgame pvp/pve.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-12-13 04:58:05

KENSEI , JUST BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING , BETTER STATS , 100 FURY REGEN , BETTER SKILL , 2 CCs , A LOT LOT OF COMBO , AWESOME EVO AND BOND , AWESOME MODS , YEAH EVERYTHING
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-12-13 04:59:23

AS FOR ZAN , ZANGETSU FOR PVE , MURA FOR PVP , I WOOULD CHOOSE ZANGETSU OVER MURA THOUGH DUE TO THE PVE ASPECT , MURA IF YOU WANT PRETTY FAST SUPP/TEAM
author: manducho007    time: 2015-12-14 22:20:03

Edited by manducho007 at 2015-12-14 22:23

does the growth rate make that much of a difference?

isshin: 190% + 100% +190% = 480% over 3 turns
kensei: 110% + 110% + 110% = 330% over 3 turns

Isshin = 35% combo to assaulter for 2 turns
Kensei = 30% combo to assaulters for 1 turn

From looking at the mods Kensei doesnt seem to get much more in damage either if u ignore his pvp immunity mods
From looking at evo Kensei gets a bit more att but has less combo rate

Kensei skill = CHANCE to cc all for 1 round
Isshin skill = Guaranteed CC to assaulter line

Kensei = ~12k gold
Isshin = ~10k gold

Base stats and growth rate Kensei wins hands down.

I just wanna make sure i get the best one and id like a few more opinions. Please your input is greatly appreciated.

BTW i got Zangetsu today from the anniversary event
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-12-14 22:28:58

Personally B Renji is better than the both of them for your PvE. But as far as kensei vs isshin, kensei definitely has a strong edge in PvP, better stats in general. Isshin though has 5% more combo on his skill and a much higher growth rate on it too as you mentioned. Then there's the 2k difference in price you mention as well. I personally think they're even, kensei has more versatility due to his PvP usefulness, whereas isshin is a guaranteed lock on you enemy's assault line + he's slightly better for PvE from what i can tell. So when you consider the 2k price difference it all comes down to are you willing to pay that for a slightly better PvP partner?
author: manducho007    time: 2015-12-14 22:38:10

Edited by manducho007 at 2015-12-14 22:43

The 2k gold doesnt make a difference to me when it comes to getting the best partner. I will be getting B Renji as well, no worries there.

And your answer is kensei has slight edge in pvp and isshin slight edge in pve right?

Is kensei's skill reliable in pvp? im usually not very trusting of chance skills
author: SosaRey    time: 2015-12-14 22:50:36

manducho007 replied at 2015-12-14 22:38
The 2k gold doesnt make a difference to me when it comes to getting the best partner. I will be gett ...

You can always use gold enchant stone and get the control enchant, can't remember the name of it, but there's an enchant there that increases the chance of controlling enemy, and also there's accesories, which can increase your chance.
author: Kosmodestiny    time: 2015-12-14 22:54:08

SosaRey replied at 2015-12-14 22:50
You can always use gold enchant stone and get the control enchant, can't remember the name of it,  ...

The enchant does not increase your chance to control. One of them increases your chance to stun, the other increases your chance to silence. Both of them are by 8% by the way.
author: manducho007    time: 2015-12-14 23:10:21

Edited by manducho007 at 2015-12-14 23:13

Right now im leaning more towards Isshin for the pve damage and more reliability in pvp, but im scared of getting him and then realizing kensei's base stats and growth rate make a big impact.

Im on server 264 which is fairly new, about to be 1 month old and im lvl 85. I already started 1 shotting ryokas but could use more damage in evil spirits.
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-12-14 23:14:16

Edited by bwg2469 at 2015-12-14 20:15

Kensei max combo rate is 68% with 110 gear
30% HP Bond also

Immuity bond of 13.5% damage reduction
author: theunknown404    time: 2015-12-14 23:55:15

Kensei's silence and disarm chance is pretty high (from what I have seen, I at least get hit with one of them most of the time), and it has a chance of hitting both the vanguard and pesky supporters. With Isshin, you will do well against assaulter-heavy teams, but with Kensei, you have much more general usability and great stats (minus his wisdom weakness).
author: SosaRey    time: 2015-12-15 00:00:10

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-14 22:54
The enchant does not increase your chance to control. One of them increases your chance to stun, t ...

That's what I meant.  The chance to stun.  Control is same as stun I think.
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-12-15 00:24:04

theunknown404 replied at 2015-12-14 20:55
Kensei's silence and disarm chance is pretty high (from what I have seen, I at least get hit with on ...

Very rare I fight against someone that is a Kido user. Bad mistake on most early in the game. I choose to be a Kido user for this reason.
author: theunknown404    time: 2015-12-15 02:13:55

bwg2469 replied at 2015-12-15 00:24
Very rare I fight against someone that is a Kido user. Bad mistake on most early in the game. I ch ...

I've never seen your PVP team, actually. lol.

My plan near the start was to be kido, but building up in PVE requires strength, so it can be a good place to start

At this point, I would ideally just use a 0-2-3 formation. Even my main is kido lol
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-12-15 02:25:27

Edited by bwg2469 at 2015-12-14 23:27
theunknown404 replied at 2015-12-14 23:13
I've never seen your PVP team, actually. lol.

My plan near the start was to be kido, but building ...

If I did a PVP team I would just move out Uno and put Oetsu or Kirinji at this point. IF you look deeper into my team setup Renji has 90% block and Kensei is moving up with block also. SOOOOOO if you even attack my line  there is a good chance you will die anyways before getting to the supporters. The assaulter line is the power hitters of this whole setup. You can take out the supporters but that is a really bad move spending your move on my support. I think either way it will always never be a true win because block will just kill anyone randomly haha
P.S that is if the fighter has low break
author: DeEmEn    time: 2015-12-15 02:31:44

bwg2469 replied at 2015-12-15 02:25
If I did a PVP team I would just move out Uno and put Oetsu or Kirinji at this point. IF you look d ...

how did that go against wave 70+ ryoka? do you use VG for that?
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-12-15 02:37:55

DeEmEn replied at 2015-12-14 23:31
how did that go against wave 70+ ryoka? do you use VG for that?

Just fine honestly. You do need over 1mil HP to handle wave 70+ and Renji will last all 5 rounds. I'm boosting up Kensei so he can keep giving Renji his combo he needs to finish. Right now Kensei is at 919k HP and its random if he dies so i'm upping reinforce for both of them actually. Ryoka never gets to the supporters. I could actually run 3 2 very well right now if I wanted and would pass up 70 or maybe even 71.
author: theunknown404    time: 2015-12-15 03:13:11

bwg2469 replied at 2015-12-15 02:25
If I did a PVP team I would just move out Uno and put Oetsu or Kirinji at this point. IF you look d ...

My 3 strongest hitters have over 90% break. Haha. You should never underestimate block.

I just wish I had Mugetsu's 15% block to all allies mod. I can see places where that would be extremely handy.
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-12-15 03:19:42

theunknown404 replied at 2015-12-15 00:13
My 3 strongest hitters have over 90% break. Haha. You should never underestimate block.

I just wi ...

Mug might be best in a 3 2 0 .........if I had him it would have been that way tbh
author: theunknown404    time: 2015-12-15 08:55:39

bwg2469 replied at 2015-12-15 03:19
Mug might be best in a 3 2 0 .........if I had him it would have been that way tbh

I agree.

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author: @ra5h_V    time: 2015-12-15 09:12:25

the question is a mid range char with bigger skill growth rate are lower than a high end char with lower skill growth rate?
author: I_MIKE_I    time: 2015-12-15 09:54:58

I think Kensei is way better than Isshin in the long run, higher growth+base as well as his Bonds mean that he gains a noticable degree of survivability when going to PvE without VG, which you'll most likely do if you get Brenji anyway.

Since I have a tough competition on my server, I currently run Ichibe(->shini yoruichi, which I plan to replace with Senjumaru if priced reasonably or CSB kenny), kensei, main, hikifune and oetsu. Otherwise I'd most get Brenji with kensei and use Tenjiro instead of oetsu... which I could do anyway, but I just kinda like oetsu's failsafe mutiliate... and Tenjiro's bugged evo bugs me.



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