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author: Evilwolf1 time: 2015-12-21 15:52:34 Title: Noza Kenpachi vs Starrk

Hey guys i wanna hear your opinion . Same level , same gear , same zanpaktou (hyron or senbon ) same evo what would u pick ?
And dont say "get Starrk bc #GodStarrk" like this i wanna hear serious opinions like "get Noza bc his attack beast and block rate good too " or "get Starrk bc his last mod gives him extra STR" like this

author: TheBadTouch time: 2015-12-21 15:54:51

ichibae, because starrk.
starrk, because ichibae.
Why not use both?
Probably noza.

author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-21 15:56:14

starrk= free partner
Noza= vip5
do i need to say more ?

author: Evilwolf1 time: 2015-12-21 16:01:38

Edited by Evilwolf1 at 2015-12-21 16:04

Suzuken replied at 2015-12-21 15:56
starrk= free partner
Noza= vip5
do i need to say more ?

Yes sir. Told u like get starrk bc ......... dont use noza bc ......... but other wise ......... like this makes me really happy

author: sirnibbles time: 2015-12-21 16:04:16

TheBadTouch replied at 2015-12-21 15:54
ichibae, because starrk.
starrk, because ichibae.
Why not use both?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-21 16:06:17

noza is great in pve, not so much in pvp because of his fossilize
Starrk is great PVP, IF you focus on him and build him super strong
Ichebe seems like a super upgrade koma with all attack, looks great, no experience on my server with him.
Personally I have/prefer Soph Rangiku, she's a much tankier stark that doesn't hit supports that also provides better regen to not only her self, but to the supports as well.

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 16:14:31

With Hyorin, I'd go for Noza+Shura Kenny, Tenjiro and whatever Sup you find - SWP Nel might be a viable option IMO. That's what I go for with my 2nd Account.

For Senbon, Ichibe would be better.

I kinda see no place for Starrk unless your VIP level is too low for Noza Kenny... but then there would still be Hollowed Ichigo.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-21 16:56:35

mike is talking sense... Starrk is really only good if you focus on him above all others for 90% of people. And with the work and $$$ you put in him to have a truly remarkable one, there are better choices in that price range IMO There are exceptions to this, but not many

author: Evilwolf1 time: 2015-12-21 17:10:54

I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-21 16:14
With Hyorin, I'd go for Noza+Shura Kenny, Tenjiro and whatever Sup you find - SWP Nel might be a via ...

Confused right now. Well What u think Ichibe vs Noza Ken ?

author: Evilwolf1 time: 2015-12-21 17:13:01

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-12-21 16:56
mike is talking sense... Starrk is really only good if you focus on him above all others for 90% o ...

Yep you are right

I want to get strong vanguard I'd get D.Ichigo but prices too high. Than screw Starrk so Ichibe vs Noza hmm that's hard one to choose i think

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-21 17:20:09

Evilwolf1 replied at 2015-12-21 17:13
Yep you are right I want to get strong vanguard I'd get D.Ichigo but prices too high. Than scre ...

I've heard many many horror stories with Noza in pvp. especially if your running a hyorin or senbon and making him a monster. fossilize can be a very bad thing... you would almost need both as one is pve and the other is pvp...

author: dionysvs time: 2015-12-21 18:05:24

what happens when its just 2 vgs left and noza keeps the other vg constantly fossilized? is that a win or lose?

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-12-21 18:19:08

NO VG

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-12-21 18:20:02

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-21 15:05
what happens when its just 2 vgs left and noza keeps the other vg constantly fossilized? is that a w ...

I would lose in NPC pvp because this

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2015-12-21 19:11:43

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-21 23:05
what happens when its just 2 vgs left and noza keeps the other vg constantly fossilized? is that a w ...

Winner will be the one with most HP left, and if you have the 'revive' enchant on Noza and he hits first with his skill, then GG even if you are lower HP, cos you'll be doing the skill till no rounds are left, then surely you'll have more than your opponent xD

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 21:03:25

Evilwolf1 replied at 2015-12-21 17:10
Confused right now. Well What u think Ichibe vs Noza Ken ?

If you have Hyorin, take Noza Kenny and buy Hikifune or so instead of Ichibe IMO, since Kenny becomes a Monster with it and due to the fortification, you would win "draw" duels even if you use a different enchantment than revive.

Otherwise, take Ichibe, just for flat out stats+def+utility.

author: Alaigador time: 2015-12-22 08:40:45

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-12-21 17:20
I've heard many many horror stories with Noza in pvp. especially if your running a hyorin or senb ...

you are dreaming of a monster noza with your hyorinmaru, right?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-22 09:01:25

Alaigador replied at 2015-12-22 08:40
you are dreaming of a monster noza with your hyorinmaru, right?

in pve, he'd be nice. but my soph is great for me

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-22 09:01:46

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-21 18:05
what happens when its just 2 vgs left and noza keeps the other vg constantly fossilized? is that a w ...

usually a loss

author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-22 09:16:26

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-12-22 09:01
usually a loss

Not really, long as your Noza has the most hp remaining (that hp regain enchant helps tons) you will win.
But nowadays most VG's in the higher tier fights don't last long enough to even get to skill so does it really matter ? xD

author: Glowing time: 2015-12-22 09:33:14

dionysvs replied at 2015-12-21 18:05
what happens when its just 2 vgs left and noza keeps the other vg constantly fossilized? is that a w ...

Like most others have said, If Noza has more HP he wins. UNLESS it's in Hueco mundo attack. If it's a draw in HMA you LOSE and your partners health go to 0. It has happened to me multiple times.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-12-22 09:42:00

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-12-22 09:16
Not really, long as your Noza has the most hp remaining (that hp regain enchant helps tons) you wi ...

again, I don't have him, but from the 3 on my server that do, they all rage on him and insist he blows like Lisa Lovelace in pvp... and not in the good way XD

author: playbleach1 time: 2015-12-22 10:56:54

Suzuken replied at 2015-12-21 15:56
starrk= free partner
Noza= vip5
do i need to say more ?

yeah .......couldnt understand !

author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-22 11:12:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-12-22 09:42
again, I don't have him, but from the 3 on my server that do, they all rage on him and insist he ...

I've been witness to several ppl saying TSI sucks more balls than a high end porn star BUT many consider him to be the best(or one of them) vg's in game at the moment. Don't go based on other people's views.

author: Wooky2 time: 2015-12-22 12:49:36

MylarHyrule replied at 2015-12-21 16:06
noza is great in pve, not so much in pvp because of his fossilize
Starrk is great PVP, IF you focus ...

well i think if your noza has good enough defenese block and attk fossilize wont hurt you as much

but if it ends up being just noza left vs a single line it can be nearly impossible to win unless you can recover more health and win by time out but i would risk putting him in my formation still

but in the end noza i would say over starrk since late game noza may be used in events that will be added in the future

author: maniacpkt time: 2015-12-23 07:47:02

Edited by maniacpkt at 2015-12-23 07:54

TSI requires a ton of crit to keep his fury up so his attack is worth while.  other than that, he's a defensive power house who occasionally lays waste to the enemy.  he's essentially a very expensive van who requires a lot of attention to be good, but he's god like if you get him to that level.

Noza is awesome in PVE events.  you really can't do much better. his front line attack and fossilize do make him a liability in PVP if you frequent close battles.

Stark is garbage if you don't have a van friendly zanpakuto and enough high level stones to make him your strongest attacker.  i'd say level 9 stones are the minumum to make him viable.

d. ichigo is pretty much event stark and requires less stones to make him viable.

h ichigo is basically the default vanguard.  he works well for both f2p (if your f2p, he's your only real option) and high vip.  a jack of all trades, but excels at nothing.

ichibei is the ultimate team defense van.  he can't be relied upon to win a fight for you and will get destroyed by high level opponents, but should serve to buy you some time for your assaulters and supports to wreak their havoc.

author: asunayuki time: 2015-12-25 07:39:19

Noza kenny is the best, trust me

author: meekrat time: 2016-2-12 16:53:24

Edited by meekrat at 2016-2-12 17:05

Read this post and it will give you all the information you need to decide...

Coming from a guy who ran #GodStarrk, I would say Noz Kenny is better overall.  Noz Kenny is more useful in PVE, hands down no contest.  In PVP, Noz Kenny can be good (disbale VG, random silence, high dmg hit), but I would give the PVP edge to Starrk (can hit backline, regens, can't self-lose from skill loop), if their stats were identical.  Starrk helped me beat people with 500k+ over my BP and 3-4 lvls higher in VIP.  However, once you start getting up to the VIP9 and VIP10 range, and the 2+ million BP range, it starts to make a big difference both in the partner formations your facing, the amount of pure T1 partners your facing and the quality of their gear/treasures/hogyokus etc..

Here is whats going to make Noz Kenny better then Starrk for PVP, for the long-term.  A lot things.

1) Mods: Lets take a look at Noz mods, he has a block mod, and a reflect/stun mod.  Lets look at the reflect stun mod first which is crazy insanely powerful, just wait a few more months or so when some people start hitting that tier 5 mod and get a auto stun chance on their Noz Kenny - you don't really see it yet, because it takes a fuck long amount of time to get to mod #5 on a SWP partner.  However, with the addition of exclusive skills and being able to get +200 universal fragments once every month, and also them adding free fragments into other events (current latern event I've gotten +60 universal fragments alone), it is becoming easier to get mods done quicker.  Starrk does get that sweet 10% STR mod, which is one of the reasons he is even considered up against Noz Kenny, but this mod is not stronger then Noz Kenny's auto reflect stun, and his block mod which I'll get into next.  Also, the Noz mod for increased crit dmg makes him even stronger in PVE and a bonus for PVP too.

2) Block: Then his other mod is a block cap increase, which lets be honest is one of the most valuable stats for a VG in terms of PVP, because their ability to block not only reduces damage greatly, but it does damage back.  I have had my VG 5v1 the other team, when that team was >> me in BP, simply because of good block rate.  Now the one of the problems you run into in the 2 million+ BP range / VIP8-10's is you'll start facing partners with 90% break defense rates, so you will start seeing the effectiveness of block fade some.  This is where Noz really outshines Starrk.  Starrk will cap out at 96% block rate, with MAX evolution.  Noz maxes out at 119%.  Now, lets take a bit further and look at Bond, Starrk can increase HP, dmg rate and a variable defense....Noz Kenny gets the same HP and variable defense, and another dmg based variable increase AND a Block increase.  If you factor in Bond and Evolution, Noz Kenny's block rate maxes out at over 136% block!!  Even when facing partners with max break defense, he will still reflect attacks frequently, and only partners who are far above then cap (100%+) will stand a chance at not being reflected at least 1/3 of the time.  This reason, block cap, alone makes Noz Kenny a stronger PVP partner then Starrk.  Granted it will take you months and serious dedication to get him to max Evolution and obtain SWP Ulq and bond fragments to get high block cap increase.

3) Exclusive Skill: Hands down, Noz Kenny blows Starrk out of the water with his new skill.  Not only does Noz Kenny new skill 'fix' the chance for him to cause you to lose by getting stuck in a fossilized/fury/cant dmg opponent loop, his new skill is great.  It still fossilizes the enemy VG, it still silences someone at random, it still hits hard, it still generates fury (but not randomly) and it even gives a 15% attack buff to your entire team, making it good for PVP and even better for PVE.  What doies Starrk get? the ability to dodge a attack.  To be honest, dodging can almost be a bad thing, because blocking is one of the best ways your VG can do damage, sometimes my blocks take out half the life of a enemy support, especially if their built like a glass cannon.  Also, never mind the fact that Starrk loses his heal I believe with his upgraded skill.  All around, Starrks exclusive skill sucks both for PVP and PVE and Noz Kenny's is amazing.

4) Evolution: At max evolution Starrk wins at offensiveness, he has a slightly higher combo rate, a higher crit rate, a much higher bonus damage and a higher hp bonus....Noz Kenny has x10 higher phys/kido defense, way higher block, higher immune rate and a higher aid rate.  Heck Starrk gets +0 kido defense, whereas Noz Kenny gets over 10,000+.  Might I also note that Kido defense is the most needed stat for a VG because they already have a naturally high physical defense because they are a STR based partner, Kido defense is harder to come by on VG's.  Overall, Starrk has better offensive skills, in terms of PVE, but Noz has better defensive skills which relate to PVE.

5) Growth rates: Noz Kenny has a growth rate of 3.8 for STR, 3.5 for WIS and 4.0 for STA.  Starrk has 3.3 for STR, 2.8 for WIS and 3.3 for STA.  Starrk naturally has less Stamina, Strength and Wisdom which are the only 3 of the 4 primary stats that matter to a VG.  Oh and lets look at Exclusive Skill, Noz Kenny gets a max bonus of +0.48/+0.48/+0.6 for STR/WIS/STA, and Starrk only gets +0.36/+0.36/+0.6, so he loses on STR/WIS, again.

6) Zanpakuto:  The go to choice for a VG centered team for a zanpakutoi is Hyorinmaru (he's super cheap to buy and has been in multiple vitality events).  Now there are a few other good VG zanpakuto's, like Senbon or Tensa, however if you look at their skills they give no bonuses to Starrk or Noz Kenny.  Now Muramasa, which is a popular Zanpakuto at the moment because he was in UBP, does give Starrk a bonus at lvl 50, but Muramasa gives no other defensive bonuses nor does it give natural good bonuses to VG.  So, Hyorinmaru remains the best Zanpakuto when talking about Noz Kenny or Starrk.  And if you review, the ability that Hyorinmaru gives at lvl 50 (and lvl 100) is just crazy stupid good for Noz Kenny.  He gives Noz Kenny his own regen every single round, which scales with how strong your VG attack is.  Starrk, gets nothing.

So lets recap here, looking at the long-term, Kenny has way better PVP mods, much higher growth rates, better defensive Evolution, a better upgraded skill, and has more of a centric focus around defensive/VG type stats like block/counter/aid rate etc.  Starrk is a fantastic VG, and if your a VIP0 he is the best VG in the game.  Also, from a zanpakuto standpoint, much easier to complement Noz Kenny then Starrk.  Compartively, Noz is the best VG in the game.  Sure there could potentially be better ones like Ichibe or True Shikai Ichigo etc., assuming you are a VIP8-10...but to be honest, if your a VIP8-10 or your running those VG's it is likely that you are running some crazy support like Bankai Rukia or Hikifune or a crazy Assaulters like Ywach or Mugetsu, and if that is the case you def. are not focusing your efforts on your VG you are focusing on one of those power houses, therefore all of these expensive VG's are the same because you're going to likely invest into them only enough to make them a viable tank, whereas Starrk or Noz Kenny you can invest in and center your team around...and between the two, Noz Kenny is a much, much better option, especially long term.

There you go, all the info you need to decide.

author: meekrat time: 2016-2-13 18:40:29

meekrat replied at 2016-2-12 16:53
Read this post and it will give you all the information you need to decide...

Coming from a guy who ...

I wish I could thumbs up my own posts!....or any posts on this forum for that matter....

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-2-24 05:16:38

meekrat replied at 2016-2-13 23:40
I wish I could thumbs up my own posts!....or any posts on this forum for that matter....

If i could, i'll kiss you !! But cant, cos suzu sama wont like that

Great freaking post though. Very descriptive !!

author: meekrat time: 2016-2-24 17:58:25

Uzumakia1 replied at 2016-2-24 05:16
If i could, i'll kiss you !! But cant, cos suzu sama wont like that

Great freaking post though ...

What if we include suzu sama? I mean I'm down with whatever....

LOL

Thanks for the compliment, nice to hear when a time consuming post (like that one) is helpful/useful to others. Inspires me to do it again in future!

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-2-24 18:03:29

meekrat replied at 2016-2-24 22:58
What if we include suzu sama? I mean I'm down with whatever....

LOL

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author: meekrat time: 2016-3-16 18:28:58

Uzumakia1 replied at 2016-2-24 18:03
Mànage à trois i like

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author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-17 18:16:35

meekrat replied at 2016-3-16 23:28
Niceeeeeee!

early replier aren't you

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Devvoke2 replied at 2016-7-10 21:44
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author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-12-6 22:08:39

Alaigador replied at 2015-12-22 08:40
you are dreaming of a monster noza with your hyorinmaru, right?

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reading old files, came across this post, thought I'd show you where I'm at so far, loland i have 623/900 ulquorria coupons till I get a huge jump in block XD

author: flameporo time: 2016-12-7 16:58:36

One friend had start to stack starrk like hell he is a beast and for now as i saw when he use his skill enemy team lose atleast half or 1/3 life he has hyorin and as has been said starrk is free and dont forget for the upcoming update for red starrk. As well i would preffer something like starrk an all hit offensive vanguard. Noza is a fucking beast for sure but at pvp betwuin of then starrk priveil cause #GODSTARRK

author: Evilwolf1 time: 2016-12-7 17:10:08

Okey i opened this pool long time ago. Well after Red Tavern Think and 7th mod thing probably i will chose Stark. I mean why not. I really bored from Noza. High block ? Hell yes ! High pve damage ? No one can challenge him with that but i want to see something different.

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author: BurrakuRaijja time: 2017-9-29 07:41:15

I say ichib as he's still aoe-way stronger base and personally i dislike fossilize so.. yea *oh and ichibe ups others def and reg health of others irf im not incorrect

author: DarkIchig00 time: 2017-9-29 11:15:52

Noza is your best option

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