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author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 16:35:18 Title: TSI, Demon Ichigo or Ichibe ?

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-25 16:50:54

Tenjiro is the way

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 16:52:44

Demon Ichigo is better.
But Ichibae is best.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 16:53:21

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author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:00:21

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-25 17:02:42

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 16:53
I refuse to take him. Stop reminding me that i haven't dismissed him yet pleb-lord.

XD U will regreet it!!!
I think high dmg riokas can still kill even aid, with kirio invincibility i think demon ichigo will be a waste when u will start to use your other red support

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 17:04:13

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 17:00
A bit more details would be better to clarify your decision since still no1 has told me if demon i ...

Not a fan of your sass. Try cooling your jets and maybe someone will answer you properly.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:06:05

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author: noctustheking time: 2016-1-25 17:10:47

Edited by noctustheking at 2016-1-25 17:12

TSI is the way to go he does way more than demon in the long run for pvp
and soon for pve he will be better as well since his upgraded skill will be 100 regen fury after skill
so you would be doing 250% growth bonus a turn even in pve which in turn you can forever forget about his normal attack bug that only does 5dmg the block will still be shit but you would be able to skill eveyr round, he also has wya higher growth rates.
i love my tsi and i dislike my demon ever since i got him lolbtw if u dont have Brukia consider getting her as well altho u look like u want a VG XD

Brenji + Rukia = 120% bonus crit damage from bonds on main

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 17:12:47

noctustheking replied at 2016-1-25 17:10
TSI is the way to go he does way more than demon in the long run for pvp
and soon for pve he will be ...

Demon Ichigo is much more useful in Hollow Souls, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:13:31

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 17:16:31

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 17:13
Yeah i see your points but brah told me to went for demon but he hasn't told me why. My friend and ...

Demon Ichigo's aid rate and health gain is pretty amazing. I personally don't even use a vanguard, but if I had to choose one I'd choose Ichibe or Demon Ichigo.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:19:26

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-25 17:20:35

invincibility works in pve?

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:22:20

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 17:22:32

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 17:19
I was about to go for 0-3-2 with hiki + senju & brenji, kensei & main. But i have to finish aizen f ...

As I said before, Demon Ichigo is better than TSI in Hollow Souls.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:23:47

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 17:24:47

I find him better than TSI personally. TSI is cooler though.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:28:12

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-25 17:29:30

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 17:28
Is demon ichi also good for solo fights hollow soul like noza? Im still stuck on dordoni and can't ...

I didn't have Noza when i beat Aizen, I used Demon Ichigo.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-1-25 17:29:35

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 17:28
Is demon ichi also good for solo fights hollow soul like noza? Im still stuck on dordoni and can't ...

#WISH I COULD HELP
#BUT I DONT KNOW SHIT
#SO I SHOULD STAY OUT
#IM LEAVING

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:31:31

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author: noctustheking time: 2016-1-25 17:44:35

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Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 17:31
Thanks man, rly. Appreciate your replys. Even tho i sometimes behave like an asshole xD

my t1 tsi destroyed dordoni and cirucci
just couldnt beat aizen 1v1 lol so instead i used tsi as a meat shield and let my other partners kill their formation without the fury bonus lol..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHEly-6IzgE
^
fuck the 1v1 for aizen lol

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 17:50:47

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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-25 18:28:24

Ichibe!

There's a lot of reasons to pick him over the other two:

His Talent increases Wit,Str and Stamina, he gets a +25% Def Mod (5) and his Skill gives def to assault+sup for one round and recovery. So he's great as defensive VG. In theory, he could actually be good in Hollow Soul map, if you equip him offensively.

He has a fortify with Katen, not a good one, but better than none.

He's cheaper.

He has a bond with Senju, giving her bonus atk... and there's no way you'll not go for Senju at some point if you buy Katen.

Demon Ichigo has fairly low stats/growth by comparsion and he doesn't have stun resistance. Might be just me, but given how "useful" my main char is, I'd take the stun skill if I face a Demon Ichigo and would rely on it.

TSI just doesn't have the defensive IMO... with Tensa, yeah maybe after some rounds ... but with Katen I think he'll just melt.

So... imo Ichibe is the way to go. IF you really dont want him for whatever reason, TSI would be the 2nd choice. Demon Ichigo falls off too much in stats IMO.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 18:33:13

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author: ryujikun18 time: 2016-1-25 19:19:26

noctustheking replied at 2016-1-25 17:10
TSI is the way to go he does way more than demon in the long run for pvp
and soon for pve he will be ...

when is that supposed to happen cause i have a tsi

author: noctustheking time: 2016-1-25 19:25:35

ryujikun18 replied at 2016-1-25 19:19
when is that supposed to happen cause i have a tsi

we are all still waiting for the upgrading skills update

http://forums.gogames.me/thread-28804-1-2.html

hopefully soon

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-25 19:50:36

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 18:33
Ichibe doesn't work that well in general pve right? Im aware of that he's probably the best vg out ...

I dont have a high lvl ES/Ryoka to test Ichibe against them, but from what I see so far I don't think you need a VG for ES/Ryoka.

From my understanding, Ryoka don't level up relative to the server, meaning any progress you make goes 1:1 towards doing better against Ryoka and at some point your Server just wont have that many strong players to keep the Ryoka level increasing further.

ES seems to level with some weird formula, but not to infinity... I'm playing 2 chars ATM, my 2nd has Hyorinmaru and Chad atm while being lazy with upgrades etc. I made it only a few weeks ago, so it's WAY behind on that server. Yet, our lvl 103 ES does hit for like 5 dmg on Chad. Even at more than 20 lvl, the dmg my VG took was minimal and leaving out hyorin's buff, avoid injury wouldn't cause 5dmg hits.

Also, I think using a VG would drop the dmg so much from a PvE Build (with combo and so on) that it would cost more than 1 round in relation.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 20:02:13

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author: sirnibbles time: 2016-1-25 20:02:48

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 20:02
Well in es noza with his high % dmg hits very good and since his fossilize doesnt apply im doing rea ...

wave 70 has more hp than the waves after

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 20:04:28

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author: iz4n4minok4mi time: 2016-1-25 20:18:09

wave 70 has 1 bil hp, 71 has 500 mil. and 72 i think 600 mil. It most likely goes slowly up again..after that

author: sirnibbles time: 2016-1-25 20:22:22

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 20:04
How much? I can oneshot up to 2billion i think. With koten probably 2,5-3b. What do you think btw ...

demon cuz he gives aid rate to whole team and heals

#truefax

author: maniacpkt time: 2016-1-25 20:39:30

Edited by maniacpkt at 2016-1-25 20:43

you won't survive wave 70 in ryoka. that's just not a possibility. if you have noza, you have the best PVE van you can get. if you want a PVP tank, either TSI or ichibei (depending on your build). demon ichigo is pointless at this stage of the game unless you are just a light spender.

as far as hollow soul goes, noza is still your best bet for a 1v1. it shouldn't matter in group fights unless the rest of your team is severely underpowered (i.e. stacking your van).

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-25 20:45:35

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author: maniacpkt time: 2016-1-25 21:01:45

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 20:45
Well im getting koten so at the point i got 40k points to spent on the point shop and everything e ...

if you are getting koten, ichibei would do you the best.  offensive tanks' damage would be wasted on a zan that isn't van friendly.  i used TSI with gear switched from my best assaulter to get through all 3.  he's a great defensive tank capable of dishing out loads of damage if you have enough crit.  you are also better off skipping the 1v1 aizen unless you have godlike hit stones.  his group fight is much easier than the solo.

as far as ichibei is concerned, he's great at buying time for the rest of your party to act.  that's about it.  he's great defensively but completely inept offensively.

if you couldn't pass hollow souls with noza, demon ichigo isn't going to do you any good.  he does less damage and can take less hits.

it's up to you how to spend your points, i'm just giving you the run down on all the vans.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 04:35:42

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 09:41:04

noctustheking replied at 2016-1-25 19:25
we are all still waiting for the upgrading skills update

http://forums.gogames.me/thread-28804-1- ...

#EY

#SOMEONE ADVERTISING ME

#WUV U KING BRO

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 09:42:12

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-25 20:02
Well in es noza with his high % dmg hits very good and since his fossilize doesnt apply im doing rea ...

I HAVE A SUGGESTION :

YOU CAN GET ICHIBEI ( HE IS 20K POINTS ) AND WITH THE 20K LEFT GET A PVE ASSAULTER YOU WOULD GET TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 09:43:06

sirnibbles replied at 2016-1-25 20:22
demon cuz he gives aid rate to whole team and heals

#truefax

#YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR

#YOU JUST CHOOSE HIM CZ HE IS AN UPGRADED STARK

#GAY WINDMILL CAT

#BUSTED

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 09:44:05

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 04:35
I also figured that ichibe would probably do awesome. I may get him instead of the others incase i c ...

#I THINK IT DOES

#WILL TEST IT

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 09:55:02

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-25 17:29
I didn't have Noza when i beat Aizen, I used Demon Ichigo.

I used...Hollowed Ichigo. XD

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author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 10:01:57

noctustheking replied at 2016-1-25 17:10
TSI is the way to go he does way more than demon in the long run for pvp
and soon for pve he will be ...

The only problem with TSI's new upcoming skill is that I would find a few other partners' skills more useful before his, and it takes a while to upgrade them. If you are vanguard focused, though, it's a great move.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 10:02:36

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 09:59
Sad thing about that is that i already have brenji , you would've known that if you read the main ...

#YEAH IT'S A GOOD IDEA

#OR GET OATMEAL

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 10:05:07

theunknown404 replied at 2016-1-26 09:55
I used...Hollowed Ichigo. XD

SAME XD

author: Gurr time: 2016-1-26 10:17:58

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 02:28
Ichibe!

There's a lot of reasons to pick him over the other two:

With 100% aid and shield from Katen to remove debuffs Demon won't die no matter what you do to him. And he's one of the fastest vans in game (in same equip unnerfed Issin with kazeshini have less speed than demon with hyorinmaru).

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 10:19:58

Gurr replied at 2016-1-26 10:17
With 100% aid and shield from Katen to remove debuffs Demon won't die no matter what you do to him ...

LOL

#just when you think he won't die i will remind you that he does not cast aid on himself , so yeah he will die easily

author: Gurr time: 2016-1-26 10:22:40

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[email protected] replied at 2016-1-26 18:19
LOL

#just when you think he won't die i will remind you that he does not cast aid on himself , so ...

Demon ichigo: Attack all 200%, increase aid rate for whole team by 100% for 3 rounds, increase self dmg rate by 25% for 2 rounds, recover own health 100% growth rate
got it from here post # 312

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 10:24:34

Gurr replied at 2016-1-26 10:22
Demon ichigo: Attack all 200%, increase aid rate for whole team by 100% for 3 rounds, increase sel ...

#lol

#DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS LVL 100 ?

#IT COSTS 40K+ GOLD TO GET IT THAT HIGH LOL

#THAT'S DOUBLE COST THAN THE PARTNERS LOL

#ICHIBEI ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE ALL KINDS OF DEFENSE AND HEAL ALL TEAM SO YEAH ICHIBEI WINS

author: Gurr time: 2016-1-26 10:26:31

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-26 18:24
#lol

#DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS LVL 100 ?

It's same 40k for every event SS(S) char, and it's not a problem for spenders

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 10:30:36

Gurr replied at 2016-1-26 10:26
It's same 40k for every event SS(S) char, and it's not a problem for spenders

#NOT A PROBLEM ? WTF

#I AM A VIP 10 AND 40K IS NOT WORTH AT ALL SPECIALLY ON SOMEONE WHO CAN BE REPLACED BY BETTER ONES SOON AND THERE ARE ALREADY BETTER

#JUST TO LIGHT OUT , IF YOU'RE GOING WITH LVL 100 SKILLS THEN ICHIBEI IS :

#AOE 140% HEAL ALL ALLIES FOR 3 ROUNDS GROWTH 30%OF MAX HP INCREASE ALL TEAM DEFENSE BY 300% FOR 1 ROUND AND DECREASE ALL ENEMY TEAM FURY BY 10

#NOTE IT IS MAX HP WHICH MEANS RUKIA NORMAL SKILL IS NOT VIABLE ON HIM SINCE SHE DECREASES 30% AND HE HEALS 30% AND IT IS FOR ALL TEAM

#300% DEFENSE IS FARRRRRR BETTER THAN AID RATE AND HE DECREASES ENEMY FURY + IS CHEAPER + HE CAN GET HIS 3RD MOD AS WELL

#YEAH PLZ DUN ARGUE ABOUT THAT IN OUR CASE ICHIBEI +3RD MOD>>>>DEMON

author: Gurr time: 2016-1-26 10:38:21

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-26 18:30
#NOT A PROBLEM ? WTF

#I AM A VIP 10 AND 40K IS NOT WORTH AT ALL SPECIALLY ON SOMEONE WHO CAN BE R ...

Hey relax. If you think Demon is not you thing so be it. 300% def for van is great but for others it's not that good (small base def will make it way less usefull), 100% aid on the other hand is great for every one.

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-1-26 10:40:47

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-26 16:30
#NOT A PROBLEM ? WTF

#I AM A VIP 10 AND 40K IS NOT WORTH AT ALL SPECIALLY ON SOMEONE WHO CAN BE R ...

even the first 2 are insane

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 10:42:48

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author: Gurr time: 2016-1-26 10:48:33

I'll get Katen for her shield buff to him and rest of her bonuses is just a little extra.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 10:59:05

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author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 11:08:07

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 11:13:29

Honestly even with the skill upgrade demon is dead, he was way ahead of his time to begin with.. they made a huge mistake by releasing him so early and now only those who shit money think of buying him, he is great and all but his effectivness has gone to dust with all the new partners not to mention that with his price u can afford 3 zero div partners.
And since you are going with katen you are basically shitting on offensive vanguards.
So for -2 for demon

The shield buff which im not sure what' it will do wont matter since u have hiki's buff
His aid rate if quite usefull but 1 round of it will be dust in wind.(same thing for ichibe)
While ichibe who is much cheaper will provide much more benefits to your team like heal and decrease fury.
And u can use the 28k gold u saved instead of buying demon on his mods which makes him a harder wall.
Yeah thats all I have to say now $_$

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 11:17:16

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 11:28:48

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 19:17
Im not buying anything besides katen with gold. I plan to get ichibe from point shop (20k) and dum ...

A guy in my server has ichibe, he not a big spender but he has a shit ton of hp on him easily so I can guarantee that he will be tanky af I will post a screenshoy when I go on pc
Anyway he sucks in pve obv so u would have to swap with noza or something demon is pretty much disqualified from this
Now u said u have ichibe bond partner not sure about tsi but that amount of hp is ridiculous
The only time ichibe falls behind is because tsi silence support if ur hiki went first and u had t1 on him then he is a huge help in pvp
So its either 1 round fight with tsi or a long fight with ichibe

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 11:32:29

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 11:47:09

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 19:32
Hiki t1 with over 500k speed. Tsi wouldn't have any bond or fortify for me neither does demon. Soo ...

^
TSI is out of the equation as well
here's this guys ichi
He has level 90 gear on him, spirit death sta acess lvl 30 both with zangetsu, check how much hp he has, and not to mention that he doesn't have any of the bond partners so imagine how much hp he will get will decent gear + 50%[attach]11783[/attach]

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 11:51:47

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 12:00:12

Gurr replied at 2016-1-26 10:38
Hey relax. If you think Demon is not you thing so be it. 300% def for van is great but for others i ...

#well in fact a good player never let's any other partners defense low lol

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 12:00:44

Brahmastra replied at 2016-1-26 10:40
even the first 2 are insane

#same for ichibei though

#he recover 30% of all team max hp you know that this is fuckin insane right?

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 12:00:55

Edited by Suzuken at 2016-1-26 20:02

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 19:51
Theres my tank imagine ichibe with that gear

hmmm, your hp will purely hit 1.2mil(probably more) lol def will go A LOT higher ...... shit i can already see that 3mil hp ichi lol

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 12:01:45

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 11:13
Honestly even with the skill upgrade demon is dead, he was way ahead of his time to begin with.. the ...

#wuv u suzu <3

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 12:02:48

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-26 20:01
#wuv u suzu

<3
#<3
#<3
#nuff said

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 12:06:45

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 12:07:52

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 11:51
Theres my tank imagine ichibe with that gear

#WELL TO NOT THINK I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE I MYSELF HAD THE CHANCE TO BUY DEMON OR TSI OR ICHIBEI TO REPLACE NOZA , I BOUGHT ICHIBEI AND I DUN REGRET BY EVEN A LIL

#THANK GOD I MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE

#WELL MY SURVIVABILITY INCREASE BY LIGHT YEARS ( A LOT MORE THAN MILES LOL)

#AND BY CONSEQUENCE MY PARTNERS COULD WIPE MORE ENEMIES

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 12:09:55

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 20:06
Very tempting, well 2 more days then i got him (capped at 4k top up per day cuz of rewards)
And ple ...

Pft, i only hashtag when i get hashtaged dw lol
Now that i noticed you're near level 130 you just need a mix of 130-120 sets for extra 24% immune rate and 11k sta lol
Anyways good luck with that

Can't wait to see what you will do wen you get him

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 12:16:34

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 12:19:32

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 20:16
Won't top up for a long period unless theres a good event with high rebates like on christmas. Ult ...

Ah... Alva again ....... okay can i hashtag fuck you alva ? pfft nah ..
the immune rate will have to wait then i guess lel, he's still gonna rock

unless gogames decides to fuck us all up with a new vanguard, always keep that in mind.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 12:21:17

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-26 20:07
#WELL TO NOT THINK I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE I MYSELF HAD THE CHANCE TO BUY DEMON OR TSI OR ICHIBEI TO ...

I swear oneday i will rage quit the forum because of your hashtags

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 12:21:37

I'm not the best to ask about tanks. The best tank I've ever had is Mugetsu. lol. Best vanguard, Hollowed Ichigo. Right now, I have no vanguard. I think TSI has great durability since he is comparable to a Mugetsu, but then Demon Ichigo has the benefit of having healing.

My team kills any vanguard very quickly. However, before I started clearing HMA easily, I did run into a Demon Ichigo I could not defeat. Major stacked. He got mutilated by Oetsu, but his healing saved his ass before the end of the round. Against Bankai Rukia, though, he would have been dead.

(I actually reentered with Bankai Rukia and fudged it royally by forgetting important points about switching gear with a physical character. xD No T1, dead)

I am personally biased toward TSI. He can be immune to Rukia's stun and still kill everybody in the right situation. On the other hand, Demon Ichigo can be immune to laceration, which means he can still heal, and he has aid rate for your members. The only problem is, he can't do it if Bankai Rukia stunned him. Admittedly, TSI is in bad need of repair. I could see Demon Ichigo being more useful in PvE with his heal but not always in PvP. If TSI gets 100 fury each time, he might outweigh Demon Ichigo's healing...but there is still aid rate to save your team.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 12:22:20

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 12:27:49

theunknown404 replied at 2016-1-26 20:21
I'm not the best to ask about tanks. The best tank I've ever had is Mugetsu. lol. Best vanguard, Hol ...

If the fight lasted 3 rounds for that AID to take effect then one of the players really needs to learn the game XD ( no offense to anyone)
We're talking about 1 round fight here 2 rounds max and i believe that Ichi is the most effective in 1 round Time, since Hiki will keep him safe for 1 round So there is no need for silence, and since he is getting katen TSI and demon's damage will be reduced to ashes which is pretty much the best thing about those two

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-26 12:35:41

Gurr replied at 2016-1-26 10:17
With 100% aid and shield from Katen to remove debuffs Demon won't die no matter what you do to him ...

I don't know how Katen's shield works, but I assume it does cancel out all debuffs until the VG attacks.

In that case, you are correct that he won't be affected by Debuffs in T1. #brukiagotrekt

I agree that he's fast for a VG, but TSI is actually faster when modded (I think).

However, the Aid rate only comes in after Demon Ichigo used his skill, and by that point most battles are decided - even more so with Katen.

The thing is that Demon Ichigo and TSI both do not have strong defensive stats.
Base is low, TSI has good growth, both have poor evo and their mods don't add too much in that regard either.

The VG here are already praised with their upgraded Skills... but against a Hikifune with upgraded skills, they are completely useless.

Ichibe's upgraded Skill gives 300% Def to the entire Team for 1 round and 30% of Max HP heal for 3 rounds AND 10 fury reduction on the enemies.

One thing that has not been discussed so far here (or I just didnt see it), is that Noza Kenny is actually a very strong, maybe the strongest, VG for PvE:

350% Skill, + Crit Rate Buff+ ATK Buff + Crit DMG Mod are quite a word in terms of damage and he might still be able to outperform TSI in terms of damage output if he skills every 2nd round.

From Zangetsu to Katen, Noza gets +18% avoid injury, 22% Damage Rate (Zangetsu gives 18% from active but passively -40 to VG), but loses 10% HP bonus.

So.. my opinion remains the same, Ichibe would be the best for PvP IMO... he adds a fair heal to the team without having to make any compromise on the other team members.

PS: Demon Ichigo has +20% speed Talent... Katen (which is the worst by far out of all decent Zanpakuto) gives 21% passively and has no active to Assaults.

If both players use Katen (again, worst case for the Assaults... I left out Hyorin/Senbon on purpose, since they don't hold a candle to Katen/Tensa otherwise), Demon Ichigo would still be slower than commonly used Assaults: Shini Kensei, Brenji, Yhwach (OK, not common, but I see him more often than I like to), Hakuteiken Byakuya... only CSB Kenny might lose out, but he's not really considered a PvP chara...

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 12:54:56

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 12:24
Completly ignored, ichibae didn't you? xD

Yup.

xD

I tend to want to steer away from non-offensive tanks. I guess he could be good. Defensively, he feels awkwardly between TSI and Demon Ichigo because of that agility, so my reaction is uhhhhhhhhhh...derp.（。々°）Still would say keep him for PvE.

All he needs is a good hit from my faster Mugetsu or Berserk Renji, and he'll be fucked. Haha.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Katen has the shield that will clear bad effects from your vanguard, so if Bankai Rukia goes first and you survive, you are in the clear. With those prospects, Ichibe could be a good trade-off.

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 12:59:43

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 12:35
I don't know how Katen's shield works, but I assume it does cancel out all debuffs until the VG at ...

Katen's shield clears all those naughty debuffs and keeps them off. X)

It will stay on the vanguard until he is hit for 4% of his HP. (Or her if you still use Yachiru for some reason lol)

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 13:00:07

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 12:27
If the fight lasted 3 rounds for that AID to take effect then one of the players really needs to l ...

This is why I don't even use a vanguard anymore.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:02:23

theunknown404 replied at 2016-1-26 21:00
This is why I don't even use a vanguard anymore.

Lol yeah if u have a full t1 team with hiki, who needs a vanguard xD

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-26 13:16:35

theunknown404 replied at 2016-1-26 12:59
Katen's shield clears all those naughty debuffs and keeps them off. X)

It will stay on the vangua ...

That shield seems pretty useless to me, tbh... whoever has Katen will get Senju sooner or later, which is gonna hit well over 4% unless the VG is WAY more stacked. Maybe even the Zanpakuto hit goes over 4%... >_>

It would be fun to see a Ultima Aizen's Skill backfire because of this, tough. xD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:24:17

TSI with new skill looks amazing, no joke
Demon is too, but since you don't need him in pve, I'd avoid him, even tho you can get him at your level if you rent for a day before you buy him elsewhere
Ichibe with 3rd mod and many bond partners and zanpacto boost... he looks like a very good choice, and you also can use him for hollow souls.

My vote,
TSI if you need more power in pvp
Demon is probably not the best choice for you
Ichibe is probably who I would pick
He will help you in pvp more than noza, he will help in hollow soul map, and after bonded and stuff, he should be nearly unkillable by all but the strongest of the strong

author: Gurr time: 2016-1-26 13:24:25

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 20:35
I don't know how Katen's shield works, but I assume it does cancel out all debuffs until the VG at ...

And that is why you use not only vg but some other partners (Tejiro in my case). Oh and well made vans get speed as a bonus and not the only means to win (as you said they are not the fastest partners to use). Only bad thing in Demon for me is his low block rate (Noza can get 40% more block rate than him)

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 13:26:17

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author: theunknown404 time: 2016-1-26 13:27:55

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 13:16
That shield seems pretty useless to me, tbh... whoever has Katen will get Senju sooner or later, w ...

It's not very useful, but it can be situation. It will at least clear whatever is currently ailing your vanguard if you don't go first, but often that means you've already lost.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 13:38:50

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 12:21
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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:40:31

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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-26 13:42:37

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 13:26
Hey i got senju already xD But i won't go her first as mentioned before. Hiki remains first .
Ill ...

What are ya gonna do with the other 20k points?

I'm kinda in the same situation, just getting Brenji instead of Ichibe (already have him).

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:44:21

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 20:35
I don't know how Katen's shield works, but I assume it does cancel out all debuffs until the VG at ...

And the speaker has spoken.
You my friend talk wisdon.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 13:53:29

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-26 13:59:44

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Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 11:17
Im not buying anything besides katen with gold. I plan to get ichibe from point shop (20k) and dum ...

I think this is the correct decision.
Enjoy your new meat shield, he's fucking amazing.

author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-26 14:00:21

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 13:53
3 star'ing ichibe, what else?

Dunno, I'm kinda too greedy (yes I know sounds weird given that I'm getting close to vip 9 after this..) to spend on modifying. I guess I'll grab some Tier 11 Hyogus... from what I've seen there's no way to get them without gold (Visored Revenge gives only Tier 10).

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-26 14:04:49

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 14:00
Dunno, I'm kinda too greedy (yes I know sounds weird given that I'm getting close to vip 9 after t ...

If you don't have one of each already I think that's the smart thing to do.
You can always wait to modify, waiting won't get you tier 11 hogus though.
Unless you wait till the level cap is like 180 or whatever the hell they're supposed to be released at. xD

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-1-26 14:07:49

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-26 14:22:38

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-1-26 14:07
Im fine on hogus tho atleast i think so, hiki lv 11 maxed out, brenji lv 9 maxed - noza t10 lvl 6 wi ...

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