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author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 12:59:21 Title: Game mechanics and such

HMA Aizen, first form.  His skill's effects all have one round duration.  To keep that void/fury restriction/chaos going non stop, I need to get him to skill every round, or every other round?  it sounds like a stupid question as of course it should last that long, but I know partners I have who's skill lasts 2 rounds, I'm quite sure I skill again before it wears off (so skill, then 2 full opponent's rounds, and by then I'm ready to skill again, so like if Isshin's void does wear off, it's just for a second or two and I have never had my opponent's assaulter attack while my Isshin was doing what he is supposed to do) By this logic, with 2 fury builders, I should be able to get Aizen to fury every other round, and make his status effects basically permanent, right?

T1 shinso, to T1 main, HMA Aizen, and Sexy Yourichi, who T1s my soph.
Aizen is slower than shinso, but faster than Yourichi, leaving him with 25+ fury after round 1
Shinso skills again, and Aizen attacks leaving him at 100 fury
Shinso skills, boosting Aizen to 125+ fury...Aizen skills, so does Yourichi, leaving Aizen at 25...

um...  without Sexy, shinso would still have given Aizen the extra fury he needed to fury every other round...  right?
wow, putting this on paper has thrown a wrench in what I thought would happen...

Plan B:
0-2-3 pvp
HMA Aizen, Shinso, Kieske, Sexy Yourichi
Shinso first, T1, HMA Aizen (first form), Kieske, Sexy Yourichi, Main
shinso, T1s Aizen
Aizen skills
Kieske skills, Aizen @ 25+
Sexy Yourichi skills, Aizen @ 50+
Shinso skills, Aizen @ 75+...

so no combo, no critical, and no self fury regen, you can't fury every round? does main's combo skill boost the combo rate of other assaulter?
I know that Shinso and Sexy Yourichi both have insane combo rates with high evo, so I don't doubt I can get him to skill every round in fight, but it looks like till I get him up to ultima, he's not a replacement for Isshin, and until I get shinso to replace my Kiekse, he doesn't really look like a viable replacement for shini kieske...

side question.  once I do get him up to ultima, or figure out a way to have his void stay 100% of the time like Isshin's does, I'll be looking for a good, cheap/free partner to help decimate vanguards.  In fact, if I can get shin Aizen to do what I want without 3 fury builders the partner I was thinking of mainly for this was Pan Grim as I already have him, and am saving for CSB Kenny for events and they do share a weapon, which being that CSB Kenny is gonna be in my pve till I get B renji (IF I get him, lol) he does have that going for him.  plus his raw damage output, mixed with that laceration, should be a lot of help against vanguards.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:02:53

whoa, forgot the question. Are my mechanics right here? am I missing anything? and if I get him to skill every other round, does his effects wear off, or would it stay on constant? thanks again!!

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:07:52

Edited by Suzuken at 2016-1-26 21:09

Didnt read it all sorry, anyeay for that dont you have to make him slower than both fury gens ? Dunno you wrote so much that my head hurts now xDAnd u have to make him skill every round anyway its the same as shini yoru skill, they can attack u with the gab between the other round

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:16:02

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 13:07
Didnt read it all sorry, anyeay for that dont you have to make him slower than both fury gens ? Dun ...

I can T1 him with only one fury gen faster, so one or more can be slower. but I do have to have him fury every round to keep them active? wonder why I can get those with 2 round skill effects to keep them under the effect constantly... side effect of fury gen I'm just used to and therefore look past?

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:26:44

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 21:16
I can T1 him with only one fury gen faster, so one or more can be slower. but I do have to have h ...

If he was t1 here is how this will go
R1 he casts chaos on vang, when the opponet van get his turn he will attack him self on the same round, I think that you're missing that
R2 the van has no chaos on him and ur aizen will have 75 fury so on r2 the vang can attack you, thats the gab im talking about.
Now I hope we're on the same page cuz im still not sure if I'm thats what u mean xD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:29:29

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 13:26
If he was t1 here is how this will go
R1 he casts chaos on vang, when the opponet van get his tur ...

okay, that's what my common sense was telling me, but was hoping I was wrong, lol. it would take 4 fury builders to make him skill every round hua? that's crap bro, lol

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:32:56

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 21:29
okay, that's what my common sense was telling me, but was hoping I was wrong, lol. it would tak ...

Lmao, even that will fail sinse he will have to be slower than all of them so he doesnt attack normally and get 50 fury xD
Unless you have t1 noza and got lucky then give up on that idea

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:35:17

after he goes, the rest of my fury builders would go, stacking that fury there for the next round, right?

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:36:39

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 21:35
after he goes, the rest of my fury builders would go, stacking that fury there for the next round, r ...

Yeap nothing changes besides the amount of fury u have before attacking

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:43:37

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 13:36
Yeap nothing changes besides the amount of fury u have before attacking

I don't think I was clear...
if I have shinso, tavern kieske, sexy Yourichi, and D Rukia

T1 Shinso first, T1 main and Kieske
Main skills, 0 fury
Kieske skills, to T1 D rukia, Main has 25+ fury
D rukia goes, Main has 55+ fury
Sexy yourichi skills, Main has 80+ fury
next round.
Shinso skills, Main has 105+ fury
Main skills...

had to do it like that, only way I could get 4 fury builders in party at same time.
as long as you have the 100+ fury regen somewhere within every round, your partner should fury every round, right?

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 13:51:06

Edited by Suzuken at 2016-1-26 21:53

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 21:43
I don't think I was clear...
if I have shinso, tavern kieske, sexy Yourichi, and D Rukia

If you're talking about your main then it has to be like this
Shinso-> kisuke-> drukia-> sexy-> main r1 you attack with skill (130+ fury)
R2 shinso 35 fury to everyone kisuke 25 to all 60 fury so far on all drukia 25 fury 85 fury on all (sexy doesn't have enough fury to make your make go another t2)
Am I right ?
Lets say you have someone like kisuke who gain 100 fury after he skills your strategy is still a fail sinse you basically attack vanguard only and all those partners are very slow
EDIT I FORGOT TO COUNT THE SELF FURY TO SEXY SO YOU'RE RIGHT U DO ATTACK EVERY ROUND WITH MAIN BUT STILL THIS STRATEGY IS A FAIL DUE TO LACK OF SP D

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 13:55:22

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 13:51
If you're talking about your main then it has to be like this
Shinso-> kisuke-> drukia-> sexy-> mai ...

no no, I can T1 with main with only one fury builder, so if I have my main go second it will empty his fury, the other fury he would gain from other partners would get added to his total for the next round

author: dionysvs time: 2016-1-26 13:58:30

thing is, unless you are trying to lock down a vg, theres no need for skill every turn since one skill turn pretty much decides it all

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 14:01:27

dionysvs replied at 2016-1-26 13:58
thing is, unless you are trying to lock down a vg, theres no need for skill every turn since one ski ...

not in my later stages in HM, and even in my arena. I'm working to up my raw power, but till it gets on point, control is my crutch in pvp. and I'm gonna use Aizen to replace shini Kieske and isshin so I can get more vanguard damage in my other assaulter slot. shinso, HMA Aizen, and main with last skill should be enough power to take out supports, and most assaulters. mix that with chaos and either Sexy Yourichi, or Pan Grim in the assaulter role with main, should go a long way to do just that IMO

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 14:06:24

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 21:55
no no, I can T1 with main with only one fury builder, so if I have my main go second it will emp ...

If he went second after shinso skills again your main will attck on r2 and get 50 fury and attack with skill on r3
The person u want make skill every round must be slowest so he gain 100 fury before attacking again
So u need all your fury gens faster that it foe this to work..... if I'm not mistaken. ..

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 14:11:19

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 14:06
If he went second after shinso skills again your main will attck on r2 and get 50 fury and attack ...

I disagree. and have to get back to work now. chat later

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-26 14:13:15

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 22:11
I disagree. and have to get back to work now. chat later

I will check with what i said in case i was mistaken, good bye.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 14:18:54

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-26 14:13
I will check with what i said in case i was mistaken, good bye.

thanks buddy!! I'll do some research on my end too

author: kosmik time: 2016-1-26 14:21:47

Better question to ask is how viable you can be with ultima also giving that chaos'd VG a whole lot of extra damage; making those blocks hit silly hard.
I've had my team 1 shotted by a T1 ultima except for noza; then proceded to block down all his chars except his VG in 1 block the next round. Whole reason I took him out of my form sadly.
Still tho, no better chars, that's the way to go.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 14:30:35

kosmik replied at 2016-1-26 14:21
Better question to ask is how viable you can be with ultima also giving that chaos'd VG a whole lot ...

yeah... that is something someone else mentioned the other day about him...

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 14:51:00

so, if new skills come out soon,  soph can void supports, isshin voids assaulters, and i'll have 2 strong AOE attacks... that last slot tho...  Tenjiro?  gonna be hard for even shinso to outspeed that...  D rukia?  CSB Aizen when I get him? (only have 2k challenge stones ATM) keep Tavern Kieske out?
I don't have the right stones, nor the zanpacto, nor the equipment for a third assaulter.  and I don't have a ton of money for an event partner...
Jushiro?  with new skills he will be hella helpful

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-1-26 15:00:12

always gotta ask this on your posts

'TL;DR' this pls

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-26 16:07:30

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-1-26 15:00
always gotta ask this on your posts

'TL;DR' this pls

too long, didn't read? not sure what it means, lol

but kind of leaning to tenjiro instead of HMA aizen once new skills come out and my shinso is fully modded... hmmmm what, then noza for pve??? so much to decide

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-1-26 16:22:16

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-26 21:07
too long, didn't read? not sure what it means, lol

yup 'Too Long (therefore) Didn't Read'

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-1-26 21:41:46

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-27 08:22:08

U were right u dont have u be the slowest to skill every round, the mistake was from my part lol. I forgot to count the fury u get from the other 3 fury gens on round 1

author: shadarlo time: 2016-1-27 08:50:16

There was way too much text... but are you counting potential crits?

For example, Sexy Yoru gives 37 fury almost all the time for me since she has high crit rate. Not the 25 she is listed to give.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-27 09:13:59

shadarlo replied at 2016-1-27 08:50
There was way too much text... but are you counting potential crits?

For example, Sexy Yoru gives 3 ...

i wasn't counting crits, I don't want to rely on them,

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