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author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-9 01:40:31     Title: Good Formation for lvl 90

Edited by tommymac009 at 2014-10-9 01:45

I'm half way to lvl 90 and i was wondering which formation style is the best for Kido users. 1-2-2 or 1-3-1. I'm running a formation of 1-2-2 right now and it seems like my whole team is focusing on Kido attack rather then physical. I know that kido attack is strong because it goes against other players vanguard because players seem to lack kido def on their vanguard. Well im running formation of Sajin-Main Kido, Byakuya-Momo, Kisuke. Im about to get Kenpachi and unnohana at lvl 90 but kenpachi first but don't know whether to replace byakuya or momo.

OFF TOPIC but i would like to know which Title is better EAGLE EYE RAIDER (Kill 500 Ryoka) or SUPER DESTROYER (Damage 50000000 In Ryoka Event). I know triple crown is better then both but i doubt i would get that title anytime soon base on my situation.
author: lowkick1    time: 2014-10-9 03:26:39

Not at level 90 So I can't really help you there, tho focusing 1-3-1 will make things easier for pve events I think, since you will be working on 3 assaulter's gears instead of exchanging your vanguard's gear to an assaulter. You can also focus your wisdom stones to 3 ppl, instead of 4 if you had 1-2-2 formation, but in turn you will need to spread out your str stones to 3 ppl instead of 2.

For the title, eagle eye would seem better for pvp giving additional hit rate and break defense. The super destroyer is slightly better than eagle eye for pve events. I say slightly because 2% crit rate and 100 pts of atk isn't much, but you don't need the hit rate nor bd for events.
author: vio2k5    time: 2014-10-9 08:19:24

lowkick1 replied at 2014-10-9 02:26
Not at level 90 So I can't really help you there, tho focusing 1-3-1 will make things easier for pve ...

pve wise a 0-3-2 formation would be better. as for pvp it depends what you fight against on a daily basis and how much speed you have so you can get first attack or not. team wise, it looks like your putting a strong team together, i never really bothered with momo nor did i have trouble fighting against her. I am a little confused why you went for byakuya instead of ikkaku though
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-9 10:06:16

Edited by tommymac009 at 2014-10-9 10:07
vio2k5 replied at 2014-10-9 08:19
pve wise a 0-3-2 formation would be better. as for pvp it depends what you fight against on a dail ...

I thought it would make me more powerful in PvP and it did. Im ranked 3 in Arena in my server with a VIP 4.
I was planning on making a formation of Unnohana-Kenpachi,Main Kido,Byakuya-Sajin for my PVP formation and Kisuke, Rukia-Kenpachi, Byakuya Main Kido but i might have to missed out on my sajin's equipment and might not have anything equip for Rukia during events.
author: lowkick1    time: 2014-10-9 14:40:59

vio2k5 replied at 2014-10-9 07:19
pve wise a 0-3-2 formation would be better. as for pvp it depends what you fight against on a dail ...

If you had read what I wrote I said 1-3-1 would make pve easier, as opposed to a 1-2-2 that this topic is about. Of course you are subbing that vanguard spot, but it switching it for a support rather than an assaulter would make the 0-3-2 formation less gimped since you have 3 assaulter's gears built instead of just using vanguard gear on an assault if you had the 1-2-2 formation.
author: yamivegeta    time: 2014-10-9 15:19:52

Anyone with Yoruichi will give your 1-3-1 formation a bad time. So stick to 1-2-2 for PvP Imo.
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-9 17:04:46

yamivegeta replied at 2014-10-9 15:19
Anyone with Yoruichi will give your 1-3-1 formation a bad time. So stick to 1-2-2 for PvP Imo.

Anyone with Momo you mean? It doesn't really matter if they have yoruichi because you can either beat me completely with the 10th skill or i will eleminate you. My speed is 45k so most players with yoruichi in my server wont even get to use their skill.
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-9 17:34:20

lowkick1 replied at 2014-10-9 14:40
If you had read what I wrote I said 1-3-1 would make pve easier, as opposed to a 1-2-2 that this t ...

Lol i read what you said. But my thought were on PVE and PVP. If i use 1-3-1 as my formation for PVP then how do i get thru with PVE 0-3-2. Since Subbing out my Vanguard and adding another supporter, then my vaguard stones would be useless and my support wouldnt have any damage in PVE.
author: lowkick1    time: 2014-10-9 18:13:31

tommymac009 replied at 2014-10-9 16:34
Lol i read what you said. But my thought were on PVE and PVP. If i use 1-3-1 as my formation for P ...

Ahh I see. Your point is valid, and after thinking about it, the synergy would be best with replacing vanguard to another assaulter, rather than having a poor dmg supporter if the player doesn't have resources to build a supporter for just pve.
author: reikoka    time: 2014-10-11 00:17:23

Personally I run 1-2-2 and find it far more effective then 1-3-1. Unohana plus either Yoruichi or Harribel works really good for pvp and works much better for pve since I just need to move my vanguards gear to a third assault for the 0-3-2 setup. Most of the exp you get is from the pve events so it doesn't really make it much easier to lvl a 1-3-1 setup then a 1-2-2 and your vanguards spirit stones should be strong enough to support an assault.
P.S: When I say it works much better i mean the setup, not Unohana or Harribel/Yoruichi. I swap those 2 out for Urahara and Rukia in pve.
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-11 00:26:55

reikoka replied at 2014-10-11 00:17
Personally I run 1-2-2 and find it far more effective then 1-3-1. Unohana plus either Yoruichi or Ha ...

I was thinking that too but after getting kenpachi, i decided to make a 1-3-1 formation with just unohana as my only supporter and Kenpachi, Byakuya and Main Kido as my assulters and Sajin as my vanguard. This help with PVP too because most strong title buff assulters for example, eagle eyes raiders and triple crown. For PVE i was just thinking switching out uno and using kisuke and switch out sajin and just use rukia as a fury booster.
author: PAOFUI    time: 2014-10-11 00:30:47


hmmm... i am lvl90

i run 1 2 2 ... Sajin . Main . Kenpachi . Unohana . Kisuke .

for PVE ryoka n spirits i normally use 3 2 ... which is Main . Kenpachi . Ikka . Rukia . Kisuke .  

even in my PVE i beat almost everyone in arena except for no.2 ... xixixi...

wondering if 1 3 1 is good ? thinkin of gettin Baragan or Byakuya for PVP ... since i hav sometime b4 reachin lvl 100 for Gin...

wat do u all think ? well for PVP its when server merges... Just incase theres some power dudes tht i need n try win...
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-11 00:54:48

PAOFUI replied at 2014-10-11 00:30
hmmm... i am lvl90

i run 1 2 2 ... Sajin . Main . Kenpachi . Unohana . Kisuke .

Im trying to run a 1-3-1 because i want to try to balance out my wisdome and strength stones. Im a kido main and im running a 1-2-2 and i will switch to 1-3-1 after I get unohana. My main is a kido so i dont see the point in have 3 strategy attacker.
author: PAOFUI    time: 2014-10-11 01:30:47



icic... but how does a 1 3 1 helps for a kido user ? hmmmmm ...

author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-11 02:07:42

PAOFUI replied at 2014-10-11 01:30
icic... but how does a 1 3 1 helps for a kido user ? hmmmmm ...

Like i said, it spreads out your wisdom and strength stones making it 3:3 for both stones. Kido users with formation 1-3-1 will have 2 physical attacker and 2 stratedgy attacker while 1-2-2 will have 1 physical attacker and 3 stragtedy damagers. 1-2-2 is also good in PVP and PVE because in PVP, most player vanguard tends to focus more in physical def so you deal high damage with 2 supporters. Its also good in P E because you can just exchange ur vanguard equip into another assulter and make a 2-3-0 form for PVE. For 1-3-1 formation, it helps you spread out your strength and wisdom equally like you can give your support 1 set if wisdom, kido main 1 set abd your vanguard 1 set. Same goes for strength stones. I would say its good for PVE too because your constently building your assulters up instead of exchanging gear with you vanguard. If you dont want to use a vanguard in PVE, then you can just switch him out for rukia or kisuke but the down side is you dont have stones for that extra supporter which is fine because you only need rukia to regain fury.
author: jw4115ta    time: 2014-10-12 10:57:34

Edited by jw4115ta at 2014-10-12 15:59

I got same problem, don't know what to do when I will get to lvl 90.
I am runing now 1-2-2  sajin - main sword - Byakuya - Yoruichi - Rukia.

Still got few lvls to go but I was wondering about Kenpachi or Unohana ...
I don't have much problems in PvP but PvE seem to be my weakness.

I don't know what would help me better with Espada and Towers, just now I got killed single espada 2  but cant beat group.
and I have stuck on 27th floor or tower 10...

looking on the team I already got what can I do to get stronger...
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-12 11:27:05

jw4115ta replied at 2014-10-12 10:57
I got same problem, don't know what to do when I will get to lvl 90.
I am runing now 1-2-2  sajin - ...

If your main is a sword, i suggest you keep your formation because thats the best formation for your main. 1-3-1 are mostly used by kido user to balance out the stones. Don't sweat it, I cant even beat the first part in espada #2 and im LVL 90 with kenpachi.
author: jw4115ta    time: 2014-10-12 11:37:12

tommymac009 replied at 2014-10-12 16:27
If your main is a sword, i suggest you keep your formation because thats the best formation for yo ...

So should I go for unohana or maybe Baragan?
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-10-12 12:43:23

jw4115ta replied at 2014-10-12 11:37
So should I go for unohana or maybe Baragan?

if you want to defeat barragan, i suggest go for unnohana. Barragan isnt worth it.
author: jw4115ta    time: 2014-10-12 17:25:15

tommymac009 replied at 2014-10-12 17:43
if you want to defeat barragan, i suggest go for unnohana. Barragan isnt worth it.

thanks mate. I will go for her then.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-13 16:43:16

For PvP it matters very little what formation you use, 1-2-2 or 1-3-1, or even 1-1-3 because most damage will be coming from your main, its a game of one-shot between mains in PvP.

As for PvE events, like Ryoka , you need to run 0-3-2

And for PvE such as espada and trials, you can run either of the formations you are asking about, they all work rather well.
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2014-10-13 18:20:08

1-1-3

Fox face as tank

main with 10th skill

yourichi, and harr as support with kisuke

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Fox face is self explanatory since he is a tank/vanguard at lvl 90 you should know what they are for

have you main's skill set to the final/10th skill because its the AOE/AAE skill that attacks all enemies

Yourichi will stun support be sure she is the fastest on you team

harr will stun enemy assualter(s) and decrease their fury possibly leaving them a few points short of using their skill the next round ~ which is always useful

kisuke ~ since everyone else will copy this formation and run yourichi and harr it would be best to add kisuke since he adds fury to everyone ~ yourichi will cause fury loss to your support and harr will cause fury loss to your assault line ~ kisuke will help add back some of that fury loss or possibly add all of it back allowing you to use your skill on the turn it was supposed to be on

i hope you understand my strategy lol
author: marold    time: 2014-10-30 02:35:51

I will says .... "All depend of u're opponent team..."

Most of pple use a 1-2-2 team formation.

But to be true in most of the team only 2 or three partner do the job.(vanguard/main/and if main don't act first...one stunner is need)
So u're free to make any choice with those remaining place.

All depend on u're personal asset.
If u have a good wallet a 1-1-3 team with yoruichi and Haribel as stunner won't let any chance to u're opponent. U only need to act first with those two, and have enough hp with u're vanguard and do enough damage with u're main.

But that cost a lot in spirit stone. To be competitive. And agi stone don't help to make damage in pve event and so don't help to gain a lot of silver.

A 1-3-1 team is very productive for pve event u only need to change stuff between u're vanguard and one supporter. But very easy to counter in pvp.

With a 1-2-2 team, it's much more easier. U only need to change stuff between u'e vanguard, and one of the assaulter's best damage dealer (kempachi or ikkaku). Vanguard are ghost blade, and those two are ghost blade too.

Same with two supporter in u're basic team u will only need to change stuff between them and Rukia/Urahara for the best pve team formation (for evil spirit and ryokka event).
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-2 10:34:18

Lvl 83 running a 1 2 2 formation also: sajin main(strengh) ikkaku yoru and inoue/rukia, i can't afford to recruit ura since i'm aiming for kenpachi and was wondering if the 1 - 3 -1 is doable too i have to say having a combi kenpachi ikkky with main can be destroying what do you think
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-2 11:34:16

[email protected] replied at 2014-11-2 17:34
Lvl 83 running a 1 2 2 formation also: sajin main(strengh) ikkaku yoru and inoue/rukia, i can't affo ...

Dude im lvl 96 now and i m using 1-3-1 formation Unohana/Main/ikkaku/kenpachi/sajin but when i was ur lvl i recruit urahara and rukia is a must for grown stronger because u need to do most damage in evil spirit and ryoka u need to maximize ur damage which means u can get average 20m silver per evil spirit and depends on luck 20-30m silver at ryoka events also i got 15-25 piece of lvl 3 spirit stones at ryoka i just exchange all equipments with my unohana to kisuke and sajin with rukia and calculate their speeds and made this straight faster to slower Urahara>Rukia>Main(with 9th skill)>Kenpachi>İkkaku i even tried to give my main sets to kenpachi and i got really good results and good damage hope this tips helps you good luck and have fun...
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-2 11:53:14

[email protected] replied at 2014-11-2 16:34
Dude im lvl 96 now and i m using 1-3-1 formation Unohana/Main/ikkaku/kenpachi/sajin but when i was ...

wow that's huge, you telling right now if i add urahara to my rukia i'll triple the gains from events? in pve i use for now mai renji ikkaku yoru and rukia.

Thks for the tip i'll think about, i'm just short again on reishi since i just recruited ikkaku 4 days ago and i'm short on reishi, my reiatsu is lvl41 guess is average for a lvl83 with a 310K BP, i'm concentring on optimazing my gear now since i quit enhencing it when i was lvl 70 and concentrated only on reiatsu and reishi. after i finish i may go back to reishi
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-2 12:47:50

Edited by [email protected] at 2014-11-2 19:49

You will gonna surprise the damage u will do when you made full pve team like me =) i just cant imagene one day i can do 1billion over total damage at ryoka myself ^^

Maybe some proof would be good here ^^

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author: tommymac009    time: 2014-11-2 13:14:41

[email protected] replied at 2014-11-2 12:47
You will gonna surprise the damage u will do when you made full pve team like me =) i just cant imag ...

How many waves can you 1 hit?
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-11-2 13:20:18

[email protected] replied at 2014-11-2 12:47
You will gonna surprise the damage u will do when you made full pve team like me =) i just cant imag ...

Your at my lvl but your BP is a couple thousand lower then mine and im a VIP 4. I run the same formation as yours but my damage doesnt go as high as yours in Ryoka, mainly because i start missing alot in wave 27 because thats my limit of 1 hit shot if I crit. In Evil spirit I get about 20mil per week mainly because i can only go twice a week. I was wondering what is your limit in 1 hit.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-2 13:58:04

hmmm i m not sure about wave lvl but i can say i can 1 shot till 16m hp ryokas attackng and if i crit i can still go on 1shot till 17-18m hp ryokas whats ur server and bp??? İm trying to create best pve formation and spirit stones actually im played pve purpose but my pvp rank not bad also i m 2nd at arena rank usually i can beat 30-40k higher  bp and higher spirit stone player but our 1st rank honda katsu is a monster who has %100 fury start =)<
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2014-11-2 16:28:43

Edited by KrisKingOfLegend at 2014-11-2 15:31

well for me when server clash hits

i am going to put 100% fury on kaname tosen ~ so he goes up against another 100% fury user all he has to do is be faster, and nerf their attack by 50%

i am going to use sui-feng ~ make her go 2nd fastest, she will decrease enemy Assautler's defense by 25%

as 3rd fastest, it will by my main with 10th skill (destroy the world) AOE/AAE skill

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as support i think i will use retsu or kisuke for AOE heals or fury boosting

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and my VG will be fox face, or ichigo ~ since they will be more tanky than stark will be
author: tommymac009    time: 2014-11-2 18:44:44

[email protected] replied at 2014-11-2 13:58
hmmm i m not sure about wave lvl but i can say i can 1 shot till 16m hp ryokas attackng and if i cri ...

With my server, im rank 3, or im rank 2 now since the top player quit. He has about 650kBP and he quit for about a months now. Im closing in on 500k now. My formation is the same as yours i guess but i have kido main. I run 1-2-2 in PVP and 3-1 in PVE. I also have ikkaku and kenpachi plus rukia and urahara. Same stones i guess but i use triple crown champion in PVE for better crit percents and Eagles Eye raiders in PVP for better hit percent.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-11-3 12:59:06

tommymac009 replied at 2014-11-3 01:44
With my server, im rank 3, or im rank 2 now since the top player quit. He has about 650kBP and he  ...

first of all i realized its really important to have all ur assalters should have lvl 5-6 str stones and at least lvl 5 critic stones is a must and the another maximize damage tactic of mine is i m giving my main full set which is ultimate lvl 80 to kenpachi and with fury accelaration kenpachi goes 2m-2.4m damage with just one swing thats really awesome damage to the ryokas and for the evil spirit kenpachi can do close to 1m damage and i even give 2nd highest damage set to ikkaku and the lowest damage for my main its really usefull in my opinion and with triple crown title they can critic all normal attacks than kenpachi should get %240 fury sometimes me 2 close to 500k bp but i can even beat our highest bp in ryoka who has a %100 fury start with 640k bp ^^


author: Leitzur    time: 2014-12-9 23:52:39

lv90 formation for ryoka, do you guys tend to have 2-3-0 formation at earlier waves and switch to the 2-2-1 / 1-3-1 formation at 50++ waves?

author: Leitzur    time: 2014-12-9 23:58:02

[email protected] replied at 2014-11-3 11:59
first of all i realized its really important to have all ur assalters should have lvl 5-6 str ston ...

wow, so for the pve build, we have to have high str/wis+ crit stones right?

what about block?
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-12-10 19:48:33

Leitzur replied at 2014-12-10 06:58
wow, so for the pve build, we have to have high str/wis+ crit stones right?

what about block?

İn my opinion i dont think block is that much important especially u need high block for ur vanguard so just give all highest block stones to your highest damage assalter which means for me he is kenpachi of course lately after wave 52 at ryokas i exchange ikkaku and sajins items again and use tank again yet i can still 20m damage to ryokas even after wave 52 which is really hard to survive for 5 rounds =)
author: Leitzur    time: 2014-12-10 22:49:01

[email protected] replied at 2014-12-10 18:48
İn my opinion i dont think block is that much important especially u need high block for ur vangu ...

yeah, kenpachi is good to use block stones, because he have more block rates. but you use block stones for just 1 assaulters or 3 of them?

because I have 6 block stones (from VG) and some free block stones from events (around lv1 or 2), if using low lv of block stones on 3 assaulters, can it really trigger blocks often or better focus on 1 character only?
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-12-11 11:07:26

Leitzur replied at 2014-12-11 05:49
yeah, kenpachi is good to use block stones, because he have more block rates. but you use block sto ...

Just in my opinion and expreiences till lvl 107 i always give highest damage and block stones to kenpachi because higher damage=higher reflect damage when block so higher block chances...
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-2-3 11:20:17

If you're just going to stick to the Tavern for your partners, you want to head towards 1/3/1 with Sajin - Ikkaku, Kenpachi, Main, Unohana

Use Urahara/Rukia in PvE instead of Unohana, or work up for Harribel/Yoru with either Ikkaku or Kenpachi for pvp if you feel you can make them fast enough to matter.

Currently I'm aiming to slowly but surely build a full team out of HMA using the top 4 (Kenpachi, Ulquiorra, Nel, Aizen) and almost have Ulquiorra as well as working towards upgrading Nel. Not sure how it's going to go in the long run using them, but at the very least, if noone else is doing it, I'll be a somewhat different person for people to go against and that's enough for me

As you reach 100, you'll want to pick up Gin though, and probably Starrk too if you have a good set for your VG
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-2-18 00:33:34

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-2-18 13:44

Hope this helps. I'm currently using a 1-2-2 formation.

1. Don't change your Byakuya cause he's really good for pvp
2. Momo for Unohana
3. Kenpachi for PvE

Sample Battle against 1-3-1 / Kido User / 2nd AR/BR on server

http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=582381280245851078&aid=58&t=1


author: SosaRey    time: 2015-3-28 22:46:39

[email protected] replied at 2014-12-11 11:07
Just in my opinion and expreiences till lvl 107 i always give highest damage and block stones to k ...

You're the kind of person I want to be if I get to your level.  A beast in ryoka and ES because I'm currently level 83 and can't one hit not even wave one on ryoka.  My starting damage is 2.8 million.

I use a 3-2 in ryoka, with main (kido), ikkaku, renji tavern, rukia and momo but after 10 mins I take out momo and put sajin back.  I use a 2-2-2 for sajin, lvl 50 spirit forge gear, lvl 70 normal gear and level 80 normal gear, all to give me that extra stamina to tank him.  I put all block stones on him.  Is that why I'm getting low damage?  Because I have no attack and wis boost.

The thing is since I use 3 asaulters and 2 supporters for PVE, when I put my vanguard back on, I can't give him my asaulters gear so I give him his regular 2-2-2 gear with stam and block stones.

On a side note.  I have rukia already, should I get kisuke uruhara for 10 minutes of ryoka and ES (my limit to put tank in ) and ES ends in 9 minutes.  Is kisuke worth it for that short time, because I have to put my vanguard back on, and I'd imagine I should take out either rukia/kisuke
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-3-29 11:19:15

SosaRey replied at 2015-3-29 05:46
You're the kind of person I want to be if I get to your level.  A beast in ryoka and ES because I' ...

first of all ryokas are based kido main so its normal ur main cant damage much to them unfortunetly but still if u use urahara+rukia combo u should easly 1 shot with 1 strong str based high damage partner especially kenpachi or ikkaku they are both doing goood damage but i suggest u to use kenpachi when u got 90 already and dont waste ur coupons easly especially getting some more silver use ur coupons for buyihng spirit stones especially str and wisdom stones both increased ur damage and give ur all highest block stones to kenpachi or ikkaku which one of them has higher damage rate...
author: SosaRey    time: 2015-3-29 11:50:28

[email protected] replied at 2015-3-29 11:19
first of all ryokas are based kido main so its normal ur main cant damage much to them unfortunetl ...

Yeah, my highest block stones are on my vanguard.  I use a 2-2-2 equipment on him.  2 pcs lvl 50 spirit forge, 2 piece lvl 70  normal and 2 piece lvl 80 normal, to give him extra stamina, though unfortunately he has no attack/wis boost, so i don't know if the reflects do much damage.  Plus I keep it that way because at 10 minutes I have to put him in ryoka.

Another thing I do is that on Hollow soul map, I have 5 star on espada 4, and 4 star lit on espada 3, but all of it I put it in my main.  All the spirits are focused only on my main.  Should I switch that hollow soul  map to my ikkaku? So he does more damage.  Would u suggest start liting stars in hollow soul map for ikkaku?

I wish I could be a ryoka beast like you.
author: MATTRAT    time: 2015-7-17 14:08:38

SosaRey replied at 2015-3-29 11:50
Yeah, my highest block stones are on my vanguard.  I use a 2-2-2 equipment on him.  2 pcs lvl 50 s ...

It's better to distribute hollow soul to everyone so everyone gets almost equal boost which boost bp the most rather than focusing on one or two that are brutal damager



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