Does anyone have Isane?

Aristeaus

She seems rather good. 30% Reduction to damage rate alone is a huge hit across the entire team from her third mod. Depending on the % of the poison, it could also be quite good. Her Tier 6 mod really messes with combat math. Basically, she isn't going to die from a Senjumaru/Hikifune attack, and she is going to poison the whole team, increase your teams survivability through -30% Damage rate, Heals, attack buffs, and reduce VG/Assaulter fury. She is a rather good counter to Hikifune/Senjumaru.
As far as PvE, most people are saying she is terrible. I disagree. She is at least as effective as Hikifune since she skills every round, and may be more effective with the right setups.

I really think all of her mods should have been put on Mayuri, since they literally all make more sense on him then on her though. lol

NNatsu

Aristeaus replied at 2016-2-25 23:39
Well, your right that -30% damage rate does NOT equal 30% less damage, however you are very, very wr ...

You're close, but off, for me at least.
Senjumaru with 650k attack and 186.5 modify % will hit 4m crits almost exactly, 4,000,425 to be exact.
Taking away that 30% damage rate leaves me hitting for around 3.35m, a difference of 650k.
The 100k I was talking about before was with a Senjumaru with only 400k attack and without a crit.
Still, hitting for 3.35 instead of 4m, in this day and age where no supports have over 1m HP, is very well good enough.

Aristeaus

Well, your right that -30% damage rate does NOT equal 30% less damage, however you are very, very wrong about the other numbers.

Damage rate is factored in before skill and crit damage. It is one of the reasons Koten is so insanely good ( I also did the math on that, pointing out how it jumps damage so high ).

So if you have 500k attack on Senjumaru, with 50% damage rate, you would do 500k x 1.5 (Damage Rate ) x 1.4 (Skill rate ) x 3.3 ( Crit multi ) = 3.46 Million damage crits.

But, if you reduce damage rate....

500k x 1.2 ( Damage rate ) x 1.4 x 3.3 = 2.77 million damage hits.

The difference is about 750,000 damage.

You are still hitting like a truck, but that is a reduction of 21.6% in total damage.
As for your Hiki math, I cannot do that math without having the stats of all of your supporters. I attempted to, but it was flawed, and I would rather it be realistic.

NNatsu

Aristeaus replied at 2016-2-25 22:53
First of all, I have been pretty clear with my assumptions. There is no delusion. I used the word  ...

I'd also like to point out a -30% damage rate does NOT mean 30% less damage, they're talking about the modify %, you will not reduce incoming damage by 1/3.
For example, that loss in damage rate would make my Senjumaru hit for about 100k less.

NNatsu

Aristeaus replied at 2016-2-25 22:53
First of all, I have been pretty clear with my assumptions. There is no delusion. I used the word  ...

Combined with 4 more equally defensive partners she MIGHT be useful in PvP, in pve I still believe Hiki paired with Senjumaru is the obvious choice. My Senju deals easily 3m damage to high level supports at the moment, so unless some pretty AMAZINGLY tanky partners come out soon, Isane will be the only one to, if she even can, survive a hit.
Edit: My Hiki does somewhere around 10m damage a turn, that's where I got the 50m damage loss from. Even if you add 50% more attack to one hit it's extremely hard to make up for that seeing how the 50% attack increase only adds 1-2m per turn.

Aristeaus

NNatsu replied at 2016-2-25 22:32
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that, I understand you like bad partners (see Ryuuken) but d ...

First of all, I have been pretty clear with my assumptions. There is no delusion. I used the word Probably, and laid out a significant amount of math.

You don't use her for her heals. If she gets to heal that is just a bonus. You use her for her passive mods. I don't think you quite understand how much -30% damage rate is to the enemy team. We have seen massive damage increases because of multiplicative effects, and reducing one of the values, reduces the others as well. She isn't going to be one shot. Her speed doesn't matter. If she keeps yoru team, or hell, your main Damage Dealer, from being one shot, she is doing her job.

The reason I find her interesting is not because of either of these things though(I have Hikifune, and my Senjumaru one shots everyone but Titan). I find her interesting because of the direction the developers are taking in new partners. The tides are turning. It doesn't seem like they want teams to be one shot. Mayuri and now Isane with great passives. If my hunch is correct ( which it very well might not be ) we can expect more defensive type characters in the near future. If that is the case, Isane's value may skyrocket.

Hopefully that clears some things up. I have absolutely no need for Isane, but I am speculating on the future of the game itself and the direction the developers are taking. That being said, I wanted to see if someone has Isane so that I can get a feeling for what her current capabilities are. She may turn out to be another Ryuuken for all I know.

Side note: My interest in Ryuuken was similar speculation. I believe my exact words were if a character were made with a -Hit Rate aura, his stock would rise. Given that Isane was made with a -Damage Rate aura, a far FAR more effective tool, it was a entirely valid speculation. I do not own Ryuuken.

YagamiLi

NNatsu, I know you naturally play the protagonist to my antagonist, but slow down and think about it man.

gg well played

NNatsu

Aristeaus replied at 2016-2-25 22:28
You aren't going to fall off that much. But I agree, it certainly doesn't make sense to spend 30k  ...

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that, I understand you like bad partners (see Ryuuken) but don't try to push your delusions onto others. Healers are worthless in a meta where everyone one shots eachother and speed = victory.

Aristeaus

NNatsu replied at 2016-2-25 22:00
It doesn't make sense to spend 30k gold on a partner that isn't as good as a partner most people al ...

You aren't going to fall off that much. But I agree, it certainly doesn't make sense to spend 30k gold on a partner that is probably worse then Hikifune, and at best is marginally better then Hikifune in PvE.

Isane is probably better overall then Hikifune though, and I was just wondering anyone had her yet.