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author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-3 10:59:49 Title: Strictly PVE...

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2016-3-3 11:01

My current PVE setup...
Main, Zabimaru Renji, Ishin, Jushiro, Tavern Kiuske Muramasaafter wave 58 (where i stop 1 shotting) i pull Zabimaru Renji for Soph Rangiku and at wave 64 Mura for Hyorin

looking to replace Zabimaru Renji with one of these 2, i have about 3k stones for Kenny, but if i get her, I will rent Sexy for a day so she will start at level 110 (which is really a big deal IMO) I do understand that CSB Kenny has more damage output potential and i do already have a weapon for him, but Yourichi gives fury, has an insane combo rate naturaly, plus Isshin's boost to it will be nice too. I know both are a solid choices and would be a noticable improvement over Zabimaru Renji. ATM i'm kind of leaning toward Yourichi, but CSB Kenny is kind of a legend in my server...

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2016-3-3 11:09:06

Kenny looks cooler.

That's how I go about my decisions. Now you can question how I do "good" in this game.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-3 11:09:16

also, do Ryoka and ES have a Break Defense stat? as that IS a notch in Kenny's favor if they do

author: Gurr time: 2016-3-3 11:14:24

Yes high level Ryoka and ES have Break Def.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-3 11:16:36

Gurr replied at 2016-3-3 11:14
Yes high level Ryoka and ES have Break Def.

so kenny's skill could very well help me survive without my vang for longer... hmmmm

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-3 11:21:34

I have used them both, and from what I saw Shura>Sexy any time of day.

Let's see, i will talk about full Mod and evo.

Sexy yoru: 305% growth rate, 15% str, 6% atk, 23.55% dmg rate, 35% combo, 20% crit dmg
Shura: 350% growth rate, 18% str, 7% atk, 28.05% dmg rate, 18.5% combo, 30% crit dmg

I dunno which zanp you use, so I dunno if Sexy Yoru's buff is going to help you at all.
On the other hand, Shura's break def debuff is going to make you perma block at ryoka/ES with about 55% block on your assaulters

Stats overall, Shura is better and the stronger you grow, the stronger this difference becomes 'cause of the difference between growth rates.

author: IREG33 time: 2016-3-3 11:30:48

Yoruichi is good to keep the team T1 every round, but shura is a beast, both in dmg and his buff is awesome. My dmg jumped to 50m after using shura ken , thats high for me cuz i dont have any event partners.
like every1 said xD Shura > Yoru

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-3 11:34:36

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-3 11:21
I have used them both, and from what I saw Shura>Sexy any time of day.

Let's see, i will talk about ...

before i swap in my vanguard, Muramasa is the Zan i use, which i hear Sexy's buff overwrites Murmasa's, which sucks... so i guess the question is reduced to is Sexy's fury gain/combo rate/starting at main's level worth more than Shura being a legitimately stronger partner...
Also, when i bring in Shinso, i'll have to nerf out some T1 on other partners, which Sexy will fix in pve, but T1 vs T2 in pve... doesn't seem like a huge deal TBH hmm, Kenny is looking like the better choice, that 110 levels tho... ugh...

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-3 11:44:02

Edited by Uzumakia1 at 2016-3-3 16:45

I use to use shura but changed to s-yor. I think it makes a difference.

Es

Hiki - senju (t1)
Shini kensei (t1)-syor-main.

This team gives me more skill turns and combos (since apparently, i cant use isshin for max combo

)

Ryoka

Hiki
Shini k - syor - main
Noz ken

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-3 12:22:51

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-3-3 11:34
before i swap in my vanguard, Muramasa is the Zan i use, which i hear Sexy's buff overwrites Murma ...

Damage doesn't come from supports, unless you got Hiki+Senju+Retsu. You could always swap Ukitake to Kisuke once you get Shinso, and you won't even need furies on your Assaulter line.

I used to run Muramasa as well for pve with Kisuke-Cute-Shura-Isshin-MC for ES and changed Kisuke to tavern Unohana for Ryoka. The difference between in Ryoka was about 1 wave less at wave 68, but my assaulters didn't die till wave 75(never reached more).

Tbh I don't know anymore since Isshin's fix, but I'm positive in one thing. The stronger you grow, the higher their difference becomes.

A vague example would be, my Shura atm does 10m crit skill. If Sexy were equal in terms of damage rate and atk which she isn't, she would do 8.7m. Now, in about 20 days my Shura will get his 30% crit dmg, which will make it 13m, while Sexy's same star would make it 10.4m. A difference of 2.6m per skill, total of 13m difference if they were both to skill in every round.

Shura for sure has a potential for much higher damage, but I can't tell you if that 15% combo difference can make up to it.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-3 12:34:12

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-3 12:22
Damage doesn't come from supports, unless you got Hiki+Senju+Retsu. You could always swap Ukitake ...

fair enough. i appreciate you breaking it down like that. looks like s yourichi is a no go... i'll just save up books till i get him, shouldn't be too much extra work to level him up

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-3 13:02:20

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-3 17:22
Damage doesn't come from supports, unless you got Hiki+Senju+Retsu. You could always swap Ukitake ...

So basically, there is no right answer. Just go with what you think might be right

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-3 14:21:46

Uzumakia1 replied at 2016-3-3 13:02
So basically, there is no right answer. Just go with what you think might be right

Ahaha. Well not exactly. Shura + Isshin has potential for higher damage, while Isshin+Sexy may give out a better average damage cause of higher combo. Tbh my main dilemma lately is Isshin's effectiveness after the nerf.

But no matter how you break it down, it always come to personal choice. Else we would see everybody running around with the same formation. Pretty much what they're trying to achieve with Hiki, because if everyone uses the same formation, the one who invests more $$ on it is undoubtedly the winner, we didn't have this before. But if I keep up this i will turn this thread into a Hiki bashing one, so i ll stop

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-3 15:10:48

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-3 19:21
Ahaha. Well not exactly. Shura + Isshin has potential for higher damage, while Isshin+Sexy may giv ...

So... basically.... what i said before.

#norightanswer

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-3 16:01:15

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-3-3 11:09
also, do Ryoka and ES have a Break Defense stat? as that IS a notch in Kenny's favor if they do

This is the only reason people get Shura... is for ES/Ryoka at high lvls. He'd suck royally if his only benefit didn't apply to these major PvE events.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-3 16:03:08

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-3 12:22
Damage doesn't come from supports, unless you got Hiki+Senju+Retsu. You could always swap Ukitake ...

Sexy's combo rate advantage and fury generation, IMO, makes up for the damage difference and then some.. But it doesn't make up for the HUGE benefit of blocking basically 100% of hits when you use Shura. That is why he is godlike for PvE.

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-3 16:19:44

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-3 16:03
Sexy's combo rate advantage and fury generation, IMO, makes up for the damage difference and then ...

I haven't tried since Isshin's nerf tbh. Back then there wasn't comparison. Now I dunno, really. Would require a lot of testing. Just wondering, since I've been using Shura like forever, you can't block Ryoka 70+ without Shura? Even if capped?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-3 18:48:56

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-3 16:03
Sexy's combo rate advantage and fury generation, IMO, makes up for the damage difference and then ...

that makes sense. thanks for that insight

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-3 19:28:38

I went the sexy route and gave everyone T1 before phys stones. Full T1 will give you better PVE

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-3-3 20:26:20

I used to run with s yorui, she did me well when I needed her to t1 my team for pve. When I got enough fury stones to t1 using shinso I switched to kenny and my damage went up by about 15% or so.

Then I switched to B renji and my damage went up another 50% XD

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-4 08:37:17

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-3 16:19
I haven't tried since Isshin's nerf tbh. Back then there wasn't comparison. Now I dunno, really. W ...

You get some blocks on 70+ without Shura, but not non-stop blocking. It's the non-stop blocks that's critical for survival and damage.

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-4 08:41:12

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-4 08:37
You get some blocks on 70+ without Shura, but not non-stop blocking. It's the non-stop blocks that ...

Thanks for the info, I had never removed Shura since I got him for pve.

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