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author: faracorn time: 2016-3-5 12:41:37 Title: Nelliel Tu and Urahara combo

i thought about urahara and Neil combo for t1 team i think you can wipe the most of the teams with this.
It's going like this : first urahara T1(60% fury with final mod) 25 fury to all team second Neil with (50% fury i dont know about her evo) 25 fury to assaulters and the vanguard.. after that rape the enemy team xD. I am 96 lvl with 929576 bp and my correct formation is urahara (66% fury) main, ikkaku ( change with yamamoto ) , kumamura (the gear is ready for starrk) and tavern yoru(50% fury). I need about 130 coupons for first Nell and about 10 days for Yamamoto. and now i have 15k coupons to spend on stones.
ultimate speed(lvl 10) on yoru(for now) and 14 lvl hogu (6 lvl )
flawless speed(lvl 10) on urahara and i am w8ing for 11 lvl hogu and i propably corvet it to speed ... and propably max the lvl 100 speed accesorys on supp and str on yamamoto I want your opinion if this combo is good . and if some1 has Nell and he can send screenshot about her evo i would appreciate

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-3-5 13:29:32

Well i have only lv 11 evo

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-5 14:40:05

thx mate

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-5 14:45:22

Both Kisuke and Nel are slow partners even for pre 0 division standards. Focusing on Kisuke on yama is easier and ll get the job done better.

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-5 14:55:55

nell with 11 lvl hogu ll be fast
i think

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-5 15:49:50

I run the combo for PVP and even with with the boost in agi she still slower then most of 0 division members and her hit debuff is only great if your opponent doesn't have a high hit rate to begin with. like moon said just T1 Ura to T1 Yama and you can win most fights

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-5 15:51:15

i am vip 5 guys and i dont plan to spend more money

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-5 15:57:47

I'm also a VIP 5, but what I'm saying is even if you use T1 Ura>Nel>rest of your team, your still going to be either be slower then most if not all of the 0 division (due to higher base stats then both Ura and Nel) and or not lowering the opponent hit rate enough to make use of Nel's 20% Dodge buff. the combo good but it has way to many flaws to deal with in certain situations

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-5 16:05:40

i know but i cant take shinso gin

i thought the combo first with shinso gin

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-5 16:21:54

to be honest I would use Shinso long over Nel to be honest. I'm working on getting Shinso myself from legend gallery (going to take forever without Shinigami agent x.x) because SHinso CC is a lot more reliable then Nel Hit debuff and dodge buff but that just from personal experience. I don't run Nel because Cute Orihime is doing a better job for me and my build but hey it up to you one what you want to do in the end

If you still want to go for the Ura+Nel Combo then stack the hell out of Dodge on Van and crit on Main and Yama. you might be able to win if not all of your fights that way if you do

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-5 16:24:57

Kisuke +Gin/Aizen is and will be far more effective. You can switch them around against assaulter or support based formations. You forget that the main problem of your "combo" is not that nel is a slow partner, but that Kisuke is a super slow partner. I'm not even talking about 0 division partners cause there is no point.

But a Kisuke+Nel will most like loose to typical 100 lv formation such as kisuke+gin or kisuke+aizen at 110. Daiguren could have some use, but I would still use Gin. My Advice would be to try top up on Reios for the fury stones to t1 your Urahara and your yamata, till you can get your pure t1. If you can't afford that, just work on Kisuke+Yamamato. Getting both those t1 with packs isn't that hard

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-5 16:33:11

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-5 15:24
Kisuke +Gin/Aizen is and will be far more effective. You can switch them around against assaulter or ...

this I can fully agree on as I can vouch for this combo long before I got my Nel upgraded. I did also forget to mention that Urahara is a super slow partner as well so stacking agi on him is the only way to go with him.

moongoatie thank you for going into better details then I could ever do. it hard to go off of something you have never used yourself in the game to convey to others

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-5 17:03:09

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-5 16:33
this I can fully agree on as I can vouch for this combo long before I got my Nel upgraded. I did a ...

I can't say I really used nel, but back on lv 100ish my nemesis on arena went on that route while i went for Kisuke+gin. He was 1st and I was 2nd and I couldn't beat him. When het got his Nel he lost that 1st place for a while and got mad how "useless" she was.

Then he changed back to yoruichi and claimed his 1st arena place. Used Nel only for events

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-5 19:41:26

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-5 16:03
I can't say I really used nel, but back on lv 100ish my nemesis on arena went on that route while ...

yeah Nel only great if you can do one of 2 things. either get enough dmg to where you Assult line can destroy them or debuff them to the point they can't get fury. if Nel can't do either one then she falls flat and I'm lucky enough that most of the ppl I face don't focus on their hit rate otherwise I be in trouble every fight

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-25 21:13:08

i think if you bond Nell with Pantera she ll become fast cause she takes 12% speed from bond 8% from mod and 26.5k at lvl 11 evo and with +100 speed acc she ll be fast enough to outrun the most of teams.
Right now i am 100(at last) i use urahara yoru and yama t1 my main and urahara has 72% fury. until hit 110 at take gamuza Neliel i ll stay at that combo i think
P.S the urahara swp tos combo is really good if you plan to not full evo toshiro(15 fury at lvl11).

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-25 21:31:16

after Kieske goes, it's simple to T1 people, 7 basic stones... easy to get even for F2P if i'm honest

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-25 21:34:04

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-3-25 21:31
after Kieske goes, it's simple to T1 people, 7 basic stones... easy to get even for F2P if i'm hon ...

3 of my formation have 50% fury but as all say Kisuke is really slow that's why i want to go to Nell cause she can be fast

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-25 21:36:46

Edited by ShadowConsortium at 2016-3-25 21:38

faracorn replied at 2016-3-5 16:05
i know but i cant take shinso gin i thought the combo first with shinso gin

Do you mean you can't get him or not use him? Since you said your VIP5, you can get him for some coupons if, you save up for him (28,500 Coupons from 0 contracts). Legend Gallery. If anything though, why not try Kisuke / CSB Aizen?

Don't forget you can speed up Kisuke using the Soul Cult. Fragments if you don't have access to the better supports.

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-25 21:38:47

here the problem with that though, if you do that then you have the risk of making your Nel move before your Urahara because Urahara doesn't get much of a buff from his passive and the only other way to make him faster then Nel at that point is to stack urahara through exclusive. again the combo was good but its only good if your going up against someone on the same level as you or is weaker then you. even at full evo anyone post 0 division will simply out speed the Urehara+Nel combo.

You can still go for it if you want just don't expect to win many fight like you think you will, I dropped that combo as soon as I got Cute Orihime from Soul Cultivation and didn't look back

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-25 21:48:16

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-25 21:38
here the problem with that though, if you do that then you have the risk of making your Nel move bef ...

To be pretty realistic, if he doesn't mind burning some fragments on Kisuke, he can really speed him up enough to beat alot of people. Also, isn't Cute Orihime mostly for PvE? I know she attacks support but wouldn't a better option at least for him just to stick to Kisuke / Gin, or Kisuke / Aizen. However, he could also take a more defensive approach with like Tosen, Unohana(exclusive skill), CSB Aizen (or someone). Just floating out ideas.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-25 21:50:24

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-25 21:38
here the problem with that though, if you do that then you have the risk of making your Nel move bef ...

i got a question, There are many people in my server who use kisuke still and he is doing wonders for them though most of them are P2W. if i were to replace my harribel with kisuke from tarvern(i am F2P btw) do u think i would lose more fights or win more since i can make kisuke and main t1.

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-25 21:50:59

[email protected] replied at 2016-3-25 21:50
i got a question, There are many people in my server who use kisuke still and he is doing wonders ...

Who is your other support?

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-25 21:52:58

[email protected] replied at 2016-3-25 21:50
i got a question, There are many people in my server who use kisuke still and he is doing wonders ...

hello mate i want to know all your formation before i tell you what to do

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-25 21:56:36

Edited by faracorn at 2016-3-25 21:58

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-25 21:38
here the problem with that though, if you do that then you have the risk of making your Nel move bef ...

if i make Nell evo 11 ill put out Kisuke cause she ll be fast enough. the first though was to not spend to much stones on asaulters. one other though was first goes Nell(11lvl evo +80% fury) then urahara(8lvl evo +50% fury) and then yama>main>starrk

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-25 21:57:29

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-25 21:36
Do you mean you can't get him or not use him? Since you said your VIP5, you can get him for some co ...

I need to much stones for CSb aizen and i preffer to tell you the truth to spend 28.5k coupons to stones than the comrade

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-25 22:02:58

faracorn replied at 2016-3-25 21:57
I need to much stones for CSb aizen and i preffer to tell you the truth to spend 28.5k coupons to ...

Just saying that option is open if, you really want Shinso Gin. Anyways there is plenty of forms for you to try out and different setups that work, just need to find one you like and do well with.

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-25 22:05:08

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-25 22:02
Just saying that option is open if, you really want Shinso Gin. Anyways there is plenty of forms f ...

ill take Nell for sure cause i am curious about how she can be useful. if she ll destroy my team is to bad for meh xD . though alot about that combo and i think ill try it for sure

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-25 22:09:57

faracorn replied at 2016-3-25 22:05
ill take Nell for sure cause i am curious about how she can be useful. if she ll destroy my tea ...

I used her in my formation before I quit which was really before all of this evolution, zero division partners and such. Before all of that it was a fun formation to run. Yachiru with 90% dodge rate, Main (Ghost Blade), Tosen, Nel (enough fury stones so Kisuke would T1), Kisuke (T1), Tegen Zanpakuto. Wasn't the best but did manage to piss off others that didn't have much hit rate to begin with

You will need Upgraded Nel anyways for Shinso Gin requirement via Legend Gallery so, your not really wasting your time either way.

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-26 00:58:13

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-25 20:48
To be pretty realistic, if he doesn't mind burning some fragments on Kisuke, he can really speed hi ...

Cute can be good for PVP as well if you have a team centered around her and if you have a Vanguard with a high Block rate like Nozarashi or in my case Hollowed Ichigo then she more then makes up for it and I use her in combo with urahara and shinigami yoruichi to skill every other round

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-26 01:02:31

[email protected] replied at 2016-3-25 20:50
i got a question, There are many people in my server who use kisuke still and he is doing wonders ...

depends on if your willing to put in the work to make him good, the reason most ppl run Urahara is to T1 whole team with his skill but that requires a lot of saving if you want to go that way.

I still use Urahara myself but he will be replace once I can save up enough contract to get the last person I need for Shinso Gin from Legend Gallery

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-26 01:15:52

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-26 01:02
depends on if your willing to put in the work to make him good, the reason most ppl run Urahara is ...

Ah, I was just thinking about using her but hear you really need Sogyu. Zanpakuto to make her shine and use your 8th for PvE. *shrug*

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-26 01:19:54

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-26 00:15
Ah, I was just thinking about using her but hear you really need Sogyu. Zanpakuto to make her shin ...

I use Sode with Cute since you don't get any damage buff from her and yeah you need Sogyo to make her even better in PVE since she up your damage rate (skill horribly translated) but I made due with what I got

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-26 01:22:55

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-26 01:19
I use Sode with Cute since you don't get any damage buff from her and yeah you need Sogyo to make ...

Might get that Zanpakuto later on for the speed buff. But Fury stones claim my coupons for the time being

Thanks for heads up though.

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-26 01:28:24

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-26 00:22
Might get that Zanpakuto later on for the speed buff. But Fury stones claim my coupons for the tim ...

oh no problem, that what I mainly come on the forums for in the first place. I don't mind chatting with other players from different server but helping new comer or ppl who just questions take priority for me.

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-26 01:32:03

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-26 01:28
oh no problem, that what I mainly come on the forums for in the first place. I don't mind chatting ...

Same, but I'm just a old player getting used to the new stuff since I've been back lol

author: Unholyknight time: 2016-3-26 01:35:37

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-26 00:32
Same, but I'm just a old player getting used to the new stuff since I've been back lol

know exactly how you feel since I took a 2 month break before evo came out, so its been hell catching back up especially since I'm on a much older server (server 19)

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-3-26 01:37:02

Unholyknight replied at 2016-3-26 01:35
know exactly how you feel since I took a 2 month break before evo came out, so its been hell catch ...

Been gone longer then that, left maybe month after the H.Mondo Attack was released. Then I came back about 3 1/2 months ago.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-26 04:16:06

faracorn replied at 2016-3-25 21:34
3 of my formation have 50% fury but as all say Kisuke is really slow that's why i want to go to Ne ...

but you sound like your still going to rely on Kieske to T1 her... if that's the case, your still running off Kieske

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-26 04:22:56

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-3-26 01:15
Ah, I was just thinking about using her but hear you really need Sogyu. Zanpakuto to make her shin ...

I'll be honest, i got my cute last night. she's currently level 82 using my Rampeligo set and she's already stronger than the D rukia she replaced, and rukia was level 105 with the bloodsoul set... I run with Muramasa, and she's perfect helping to patch up Mura's weak spots, further boosting assaulters, and fixing that whole damage nerf on vang thing as blocked damage is full power... for sure nice in pvp

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