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author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 02:35:17 Title: Do I really NEED Zangetsu

Prob last shot at him in UBP (unless GG decides to troll us and put him in a 4th time, ugh)

Yea I missed him both times, ended up getting Senbon instead when it came up. I do have T1 kisuke in my form and he T1's the others, so that's a drag with senbon but I still have kazeshini for that.

So do I really need Zangetsu or should I just leave him and use my vit on something else?

author: jw4115ta time: 2016-3-20 02:41:05

Senbon gives you a strong vg and assaulter, I'd say stay with senbon bc you don't really use support, or you might get zangetsu as a back up

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-20 03:04:50

Depends on builds but anyone F2P should get him. I paid 1k usd to get him back in the day

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 03:07:56

jw4115ta replied at 2016-3-20 02:41
Senbon gives you a strong vg and assaulter, I'd say stay with senbon bc you don't really use support ...

yea I was almost thinking that maybe Muramasa would be a better choice for kisuke and T1-ing my team, bt dot know how long i can keep kisuke...he's pretty weak

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-20 03:17:19

Edited by Brahmastra at 2016-3-20 10:47

Zangetsu gives more balance for the entire team while Muramasa straight up only helps support.
Since this game and the tavern pretty much all depend on support based partners getting Zangetsu will help out a lot.

The other part is waiting for a super fast assaulter and buying that for a decent price.
Senbon is awesome but I still hate him for how limited he is

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-3-20 03:54:24

Edited by gogeta654321 at 2016-3-20 13:58

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 13:07
yea I was almost thinking that maybe Muramasa would be a better choice for kisuke and T1-ing my te ...

Well,,, i will think senbon is best but T one helps a lot in the battles that you cant win easily... i will say get him.. use him for more harder battles while senbon for normal battles... As brah already said.. zangetsu balances the team better than kazeshini and muramasa... he can be almost in tier of hyrin or senbon but they are not gives SSS rank for anything

Still really happy and i sont give a fck about zangetsu... as long as isshin dont come before 20 April.... I know that sentence doesnt make sense but bear with it

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 04:03:14

bwg2469 replied at 2016-3-20 03:04
Depends on builds but anyone F2P should get him. I paid 1k usd to get him back in the day

yea, a lot of expensive characters have been thrown out for free :/

But seeing zangetsu a third time, esp so soon after we last saw him, makes me suspicious...
easter is coming up...and if they end up doing a mini-UBP dumpling event with Tensa or something like they did with Senbon I won't have enough vitality and I'm gna throw my toys out the crib lol

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 04:06:24

Brahmastra replied at 2016-3-20 03:17
Zangetsu gives more balance for the entire team while Muramasa straight up only helps support.
Since ...

yea it kills me that senbon does nothing for support, even a little speed would've been nice...

can anyone clarify the support stats for Zangetsu tho, because clicking on him in the UBP window shows +18% for speed and +15% for damage but the zanpakuto feature says the other way round - which is the right one?

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-20 04:39:11

Edited by Brahmastra at 2016-3-20 10:42

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 10:06
yea it kills me that senbon does nothing for support, even a little speed would've been nice...

c ...

15% speed 18% damage

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 04:55:11

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-3-20 03:54
Well,,, i will think senbon is best but T one helps a lot in the battles that you cant win easily.. ...

haha i get you, you waiting for Isshin to come

I'm also waiting for him, really expected him to be this ubp tbh

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-20 06:16:52

PVE wise

I'd say def. yes. As you already have supreme attack buffing zanpakuto (senbon) getting a supreme dmg. rate boosting zanpakuto (zangetsu assuming that tensa will not show up in vit. event's which is a fair enough assumption) you would have both thus allowing yourself a lot more options (partners to combine with each zanpakuto, example sexy yoruichi, dark rukia and cute orihime with senbon, and hiki w.ichigo shura ken etc with zangetsu)

PVP wise

Brahmastra comment + adding that i think if you get zangetsu that you will probably end up using him in pvp over senbon. Reason is that that limitation early mentioned comes from the fact that senbon was made for cash players who can make they're ass. line strong enough for that to work. Assuming that you are a f2p making a change like that and trying to possibly pure t1 2 characters from the ass. line could end up not working out and you'll destroy whatever is that you previously had also

UBPing

As a f2p, i mean assuming that you are from that line that you won't be waiting for 24th to see what's out there and then go for both (you have to start now manually)
I mean it is what it is. That's what you need to do. f2p's are required to save, gather, decide, spend wisely and time it perfeclty and make sacrifices. I say whatever comes on 24th you shouldn't regret it

Peace

author: jfcorey time: 2016-3-20 06:32:11

bwg2469 replied at 2016-3-20 09:04
Depends on builds but anyone F2P should get him. I paid 1k usd to get him back in the day

yeh but all the f2p player doest have enouth vit for it (like me)

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-3-20 07:23:10

Edited by gogeta654321 at 2016-3-20 17:25

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 14:55
haha i get you, you waiting for Isshin to come

I'm also waiting for him, really expected him ...

Hell Noo ,,, I didnt wanted isshin to come in this UBP.. and also thank god he didnt came too..

sorry to make you more wait tho for isshin but i think you should go for zangetsu.. i am really happy with yama and tousen but replacing tousen for isshin will be great

Still he is more expensive then senbon tho
i am amazed on that point btw how did you collected so much vit so fast anyway?

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-20 08:52:02

Zangetsu is pretty much Muramasa

except the buffs are for assaulters rather than supporters

to be perfectly honest it seems you obtaining Senbon became a waste :/

You should think of what your end-game formation might be like (1-3-1, 1-2-2-, 0/3/2 etc.) before spending your vit on a zanpakuto ^^

If your little vision up ahead of your game seems like it'll end up being somewhat balanced, i'd say go for Zang, but atm I feel like you can better spend your vit on something else since you obtaining Senbon ended up as a waste without thought it seems :/

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 09:59:55

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-3-20 08:52
Zangetsu is pretty much Muramasa

except the buffs are for assaulters rather than supporters

lol i definitely thought about senbon alot before i went for it, i dont spend my vitality lightly

at that point though zangetsu had already come out the second time and i never expected him to show again, so i thought senbon was my best shot at a good zan, and im not sorry i got him because he's definitely been useful just obviously not in every situation, much like any zan and form i guess

its hard to say exactly what my endgame is because i never mnow whats going to come up lol, though i want isshin so will orob end up with a 1-3-1. but even then i want the freedom to have a good 1-2-2 form as well depending on who/what im up against

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 10:05:17

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-3-20 07:23
Hell Noo ,,, I didnt wanted isshin to come in this UBP.. and also thank god he didnt came too..

so ...

haha i had a lot of beauty games saved up:p

i have enough for 1 ubp now but if another mini ubp or full ubp comes too quickly and its isshin i wouldnt have enough vitality for it :/ hence the hesitation

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-20 10:13:44

I'd say get him, you will never be upset you got him (unless SA is next week XD) Since you are hinging your team on Kieske, Senbon is useless IMO. Even if you upgraded your Kieske to Shinso Gin, you would still want Zangetsu over Senbon as the faster your Kieske is, the faster the rest of your party can get. Muramasa would help you more than Zangetsu for PVP, but Zangetsu will help you more than Senbon (since you hinge your party on a slow support)

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-20 10:17:27

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 14:59
lol i definitely thought about senbon alot before i went for it, i dont spend my vitality lightly ...

just take your end-game as your dream team, or the team you see right now that is achievable for you to get and build towards ^^

example my dream teach is actually achievable, so once i obtain them all i'm at the end-game for my formation there ^^

Ofc this game gets updated so there is no end-game lol, but just from what you see now at the end of your path, choose your Zanpakuto for that formation ^^

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-20 10:27:16

Zang is life
Zang is love
Let zang penetrate your butt

-narated but not written-

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 10:37:41

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-3-20 10:13
I'd say get him, you will never be upset you got him (unless SA is next week XD) Since you are hing ...

yea, see i dont mind waiting for Mura to come round again if he is thebetter choice.

i also really want to change kisuke for another fury giver, one who actaully deals some damage is not slow as hell lol. hes just the only solution i have right nw, even shinso from csb is out my reach unless i save 40k coupons

Am even considering cute orihime as a solution though i really hate her haha

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 10:42:18

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-3-20 10:17
just take your end-game as your dream team, or the team you see right now that is achievable for y ...

lol i know right, and red tavern partners arent even out yet so its hard to figure out exactly what i need

but i guess for time being its a 1-3-1, hingeing on isshin coming around again.

until then its a 1-2-2 and i have no clue who my ideal support should be lol, ive been trying to work it out but its hard...having a fury giver keeps me higher in arena but also limits who i can choose.

i suppose having so many options is whats fun about the game right haha :p

author: Chihiro135 time: 2016-3-20 10:52:31

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-3-20 10:13
I'd say get him, you will never be upset you got him (unless SA is next week XD) Since you are hing ...

btw doesnt speed become an issue for kisuke even with zangetsu?

he gives +21% speed to assaulters and a skill bonus of 12% extra speed only for assaulters when he hits enemy. support only gets +15% speed, so if that stacks then thats a big difference to matc, esp when kazeshini gives an advantage that leaves the gap between assaulter speed and support only 6%...so in that scenario does kazeshini become more practical?

just things im trying to take into account

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-20 11:53:06

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 15:42
lol i know right, and red tavern partners arent even out yet so its hard to figure out exactly wha ...

again don't think that far of an end-game like red tavern partners, just think of the form you could possibly enter now ^^

My dream team? Shinso Gin, W.Ichigo, Starrk and Kensei (Any Kensei), and this is achievable! It also turns out to be a 1-3-1 formation, so me having Senbon, well I couldn't ask for any better, that form is pretty much my end-game ^^

hopefully you get the idea, as long as you find your own form you should be building up there slowly ^^

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-3-20 13:34:26

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 20:05
haha i had a lot of beauty games saved up:p

i have enough for 1 ubp now but if another mini ubp o ...

Thats cheating saving beauty games like this ( even tho i also have 122 saved up

) i will use them after my exams finishes but i am waiting for isshin too i mean what if i save vit and he doesnt showed up? but whatever he is amazing

#Mylar's comment

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-3-20 13:41:00

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 20:52
btw doesnt speed become an issue for kisuke even with zangetsu?

he gives +21% speed to assaulters ...

yeah well this is a prblem but is probably better than in senbon case

and as for supporters... i am going for nel tu and chaning her for yoruichi... even tho unohana will be better. I actually wanted barragan but after yama out in soul cultivation.. there is n use for him... u can also use a stunner too..

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-20 18:53:19

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 10:52
btw doesnt speed become an issue for kisuke even with zangetsu?

he gives +21% speed to assaulters ...

yes and no. speed, while very important, is not all inclusive for 95% of all players. Stack your kieske with uber speed equipment, zangetsu's speed bonus on assaulters will make up for their speed some. IMO, Zangetsu bonuses more than make up for kazeshini

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-20 18:56:01

Chihiro135 replied at 2016-3-20 10:37
yea, see i dont mind waiting for Mura to come round again if he is thebetter choice.

i also real ...

The ONLY reason IMO to run tavern Kieske, is because of his 20 fury mod, and his ease of T1 to T1 the rest of your party. Cute Orihime DOES NOT have anything close to this. Even Shinso is very hard to T1 without full mod, even then you have to have a lot of stones on him.

author: Asian123 time: 2017-8-12 06:15:12

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-3-21 04:56
The ONLY reason IMO to run tavern Kieske, is because of his 20 fury mod, and his ease of T1 to T1 ...

Too bad Cute doesn't have fury from evolution, I would have completed my Pve formation if she did.
Muken-Hiki-Brenji-Cute-Mc(8th skill) for both Ryoka and Evil Spirit(Ryoka we can reach wave 86-87).(I got Muken on 10th of August if you are curious).

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