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author: thejuicelegacy time: 2016-4-7 22:03:12 Title: Tensa Zangetsu + Mugetsu is it still good?

Is it worth getting Tensa Zangetsu and Mugetsu now or better off waiting for a new zanpakuto to come out?

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-7 22:12:42

It's cheaper to buy katen and 2 0-division partners and beat people who have tensa and mugetsu lol

author: thejuicelegacy time: 2016-4-7 22:14:55

I figured but I don't have T1 or close to it, so is katen still better?

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-7 22:24:32

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-7 22:12
It's cheaper to buy katen and 2 0-division partners and beat people who have tensa and mugetsu lol

i think bwg wont buy that ?

author: NNatsu time: 2016-4-7 23:00:24

If you don't have T1 you'll do infinitely better by spending that, what, 60,000 gold actually getting t1 and Katen.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-7 23:02:31

playbleach1 replied at 2016-4-7 22:24
i think bwg wont buy that ?

First of all, why does it matter what bwg will or won't buy? 2nd of all, what are you referring to him not buying?

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-4-7 23:05:49

playbleach1 replied at 2016-4-7 19:24
i think bwg wont buy that ?

Katen is like a 40% buy for me. I have a strong feeling if I wait this out ill get a better Zanp.

author: thejuicelegacy time: 2016-4-7 23:39:21

I will look towards getting katen, was hoping they would release a new zanpakuto in like 2 months but I don't think, one will come any time soon.

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-8 05:53:56

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-7 23:02
First of all, why does it matter what bwg will or won't buy? 2nd of all, what are you referring to ...

It's cheaper to buy katen and 2 0-division partners and beat people who have tensa and mugetsu lol

umm i guess i have to take english classes once again ....my bad

what i was trying to say is he has top speed in his senju even using tensa zangetsu so its not 100% sure who has katen can win over tensa !!!

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-8 05:58:48

bwg2469 replied at 2016-4-7 23:05
Katen is like a 40% buy for me. I have a strong feeling if I wait this out ill get a better Zanp.

i am pretty much sure the day will come when the legend of tensa and katen will be spoken like old stories .
after reading new released bleach chapters benihime and kenpachi bankai (which shows he sure has a zanpukto) new releases zanpukto would be more terryfying .......just wait up a bit and what am i saying , you still are good with tensa .

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 07:54:22

playbleach1 replied at 2016-4-8 05:53
umm i guess i have to take english classes once again ....my bad
what i was trying to say is ...

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by he has top speed. If you're saying he is one of the top speed players in the US then yes, he is. If you're saying he's the fastest in the game then you're waaaayyyy off lol. I know of at least 4 people who can out speed him right now. And only because those people all have katen and bwg does not. Now, bwg also doesn't face any of these people aside from Evil, so there's really no reason for him to get katen right now. But yes, you're right. It's not 100% sure someone who has katen will beat someone with tensa. Just like it's not 100% sure someone with tensa will beat someone using Wabisuke. If the person with the lesser zanpakuto has better gear, stones, hollow souls, etc etc then of course they will win.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 08:02:23

say you get them both for $1500 USD (I think $1200 is the cheapest I've heard someone getting both at the same time)

Muramasa: Ultra hero:  Top up 12000 gold ($300),  Muramasa is free, keep your gold
Hikifune: most events she is in she is $300 (spend the gold you topped up for Muramasa)
Senjumaru:  another $300
Otetsu: Another $300
Spend that last $300 + all your bonus gold on fury stones
T1 Your Senjumaru and make her fastest,  when she skills she gives 40 fury to supports (60 if she crits)

congrats, for the same price (maybe less in some cases) you now have the 3 best supports in the game, all T1, and a very solid Zanpacto for that team for the same price as the old god combo...  enjoy wrecking your server!!

author: [email protected] time: 2016-4-8 08:05:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 14:02
say you get them both for $1500 USD (I think $1200 is the cheapest I've heard someone getting both a ...

This ^^

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 08:05:59

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 07:54
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by he has top speed. If you're saying he is one of the top spe ...

I use Muramasa and I crush some in my CSB with Tensa and a few with Katen

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 08:09:12

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 08:05
I use Muramasa and I crush some in my CSB with Tensa and a few with Katen

Yeah, I find it funny that people think just because you have a high end zanpakuto you must obviously have the partners and stones and gear to match. Or that just because you have a lower end zanpakuto you must not have as good gear and stones as people with a higher tier one. It's just silly and ignorant to think that.

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-4-8 08:09:56

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 08:02
say you get them both for $1500 USD (I think $1200 is the cheapest I've heard someone getting both a ...

#H MIGHT CONSIDER TOPPING UPPING FOR SENJU IN PYRAMID

SPENDING IT ON OETSU

#HE WOULD STILL HAVE 600$ TOP UP AT LEAST

# WHICH HE COULD USE FOR KATEN ,SO IT IS BETTER TO GET RENJI WITH THE FIRST 300$

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 08:11:58

Once you have Hiki, why do you need any other supporter? You don't need 3 zero squad members if you have her. Better off getting her, getting b.renji and having an unbeatable PvP team while having huge PvE dmg too and saving your gold to get the next overpowered partner that comes out in 1-3 months.

Getting partners that have been out for months now is a bad investment, IMO, since it means they only have a short shelf life of being on top now.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 08:21:00

SeiryuSky replied at 2016-4-8 08:09
#H MIGHT CONSIDER TOPPING UPPING FOR SENJU IN PYRAMID

SPENDING IT ON OETSU

maybe it's because I don't have one... I do understand that tensa and katen are better than Muramasa... Muramasa is gettable with $150 and you would still have gold... Katen is $1000+... is there really an $850+ difference there?

realisticly, replace Otetsu with B renji and it is probably a MUCH better spend of the money... have your party look like this...

Muramasa
no vang
Main, B Renji, Pan Grim
Senju, Hiki

Great for PVE, Great for PVP

With a $1500 top up you will never be true top player status, but this party will be amazing

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-4-8 08:22:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 08:21
maybe it's because I don't have one... I do understand that tensa and katen are better than Mura ...

#OR YOU MIGHT REPLACE GRIM WITH KENSEI IN A LONG RUN

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 08:24:30

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2016-4-8 08:26

SeiryuSky replied at 2016-4-8 08:22
#OR YOU MIGHT REPLACE GRIM WITH KENSEI IN A LONG RUN

Shini Kensei or Isshin would for sure be the better choice... was trying to think of someone free, as I've already spent the budget on the rest of the party. His lacerate and his natural damage rate (basicly offsetting the new immune rate of monsters in game) gave him the best look to me. considering leveling mine up to replace Zabimaru renji, lol only reason I haven't is because I've got roughly 3k Challenge stones and should have my CSB Kenny soon... and I have to start hitting that reiatsu hard and heavy... only at level 59 on it... I want level 80 by the time I'm 115 (currently level 113)

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-4-8 08:25:46

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 08:24
Shini Kensei or Isshin would for sure be the better choice... was trying to think of someone free ...

#TRUE

#SOON WE ARE GONNA TURN UN LOL

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 08:25:50

shadarlo replied at 2016-4-8 08:11
Once you have Hiki, why do you need any other supporter? You don't need 3 zero squad members if yo ...

I beat hiki users on a daily basis lol. I still don't get why people think she's so amazing. There's all sorts of ways to counter her. Senju's a much better all around partner.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 08:29:05

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 08:25
I beat hiki users on a daily basis lol. I still don't get why people think she's so amazing. There ...

I want senju because she's still blistering fast, she hits harder, has very good skill... and I can make her the fastest and still keep my T1 elsewhere as my Shinso has all 10 fury from evo, making him T1 with her skill, with no crit and no fury stone. He then T1s others XD with Hiki or Otetsu I'd have to put all my eggs in that one basket... Hate a team that is that focused as Tenjiro is so cheap and so many have relied on him, and he always hits my star, lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-4-8 08:31:21

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 08:29
I want senju because she's still blistering fast, she hits harder, has very good skill... and I ...

Lol, I never thought of that setup. That's awesome. xD

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 08:33:52

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 08:29
I want senju because she's still blistering fast, she hits harder, has very good skill... and I ...

Yeah senju's amazing. I use her to T1 my whole support line. Saved me from having to buy 2 more full sets of fury stones XD

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-4-8 08:39:56

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 08:25
I beat hiki users on a daily basis lol. I still don't get why people think she's so amazing. There ...

Because she still beats most low levels and f2p's.

She's kind of shit at our level, though. lol She's only survived once for me from aid rate and just by a fraction of a health sliver.

She may even be more shit now with the new vanguard that boosts wisdom defense. Her extremely low wisdom growth will put her at a disadvantage, and you will have to try harder with her.

But hey, she's still handy in PvE and if Senjumaru sets off a combo chain on turn 1 in PvP. xD Fucking triple combo chains on turn 1, Kosmo. Fucking triple combos xDDD It's a thing.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 08:41:45

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 08:25
I beat hiki users on a daily basis lol. I still don't get why people think she's so amazing. There ...

Because she'll be faster than 98% of opponents and if she goes off she is an auto-win unless you have a stupid team or are facing someone dramatically stronger (in which case you shouldn't have gone first anyhow).

If you lose after having Hiki go first with someone who's within 25% of your BP then you likely did something REALLY stupid with your team. Especially if you have Katen.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 08:44:47

theunknown404 replied at 2016-4-8 08:39
Because she still beats most low levels and f2p's.

She's kind of shit at our level, though. lol S ...

If I see someone has Hiki and more BP than I do, I cannot win, period.

If I see someone with Senju and more BP than I do, I still have a chance to win. Take that for what it is. I'm not a huge topper upper but do well with what I have I'd like to think. I have Kiri and he's my star and I beat you in CSB nearly every time I face you (assuming you're the Unknown in Kosmo and my CSB).

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 08:59:01

theunknown404 replied at 2016-4-8 08:39
Because she still beats most low levels and f2p's.

She's kind of shit at our level, though. lol S ...

I know it's a thing. I get it all the time XD

God I love combo rate LOL

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 09:03:19

shadarlo replied at 2016-4-8 08:44
If I see someone has Hiki and more BP than I do, I cannot win, period.

If I see someone with Senju ...

No you are talking to MAGES from our CSB lmfao. Who I'm sure you lose to 100% of the time, if you can even fight them. And you're completely wrong on the hiki deal. If you stack your vanguard then it's fairly easy to beat a hiki user with the same bp as you who is faster than you. Especially now with the new sexy shiba partner and a fully modded senju (there's already several of them, me being one) it's almost stupidly easy to beat people that rely on hiki even if they're faster than you are.

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-8 09:41:07

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 07:54
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by he has top speed. If you're saying he is one of the top spe ...

mentioning wabisuke had me and the last two lines were really what i was saying and yeah i would be a stupid to say so that bwg has highest speed in entire game though he can achieve that , so that you too , but yeh r8 now i guess he has highest speed in US atleast .

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 09:44:50

playbleach1 replied at 2016-4-8 09:41
mentioning wabisuke had me and the last two lines were really what i was saying and yeah i would b ...

r8? Is that someone's in game name or something?

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-4-8 09:51:02

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 09:03
No you are talking to MAGES from our CSB lmfao. Who I'm sure you lose to 100% of the time, if you ...

I love how this confusion over my in-game name arises.

It was purely by chance that an Unknown is in our CSB lol

Combo rate is the shit. There is only one counter to support combos, and it's not even easy to get.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 10:01:41

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 09:03
No you are talking to MAGES from our CSB lmfao. Who I'm sure you lose to 100% of the time, if you ...

If you are a massive VIP 10 who has spent tens of thousands on the game.  I never plan to beat anyone like that.  Anyone who isn't in that league, however, is much stronger with hiki than with senju.

We're talking different leagues of play.  I'm trying to compete with people who are maybe just barely VIP9-10 while I'm VIP7.  I do that quite well.  I have no delusion that I would beat someone who spent $2500+, that isn't even on my radar.  Nor are strategies for people who spend that much since it'll never be me.

In my league, Hiki is the god of all gods.  But I'm sure in another few months, that will not be the case so much.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 10:05:36

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 09:44
r8? Is that someone's in game name or something?

*right

but it really comes out as rate... lol

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 10:07:16

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 09:03
No you are talking to MAGES from our CSB lmfao. Who I'm sure you lose to 100% of the time, if you ...

hey, how expensive is it to buy the modify frags for zero division partners?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 10:08:27

shadarlo replied at 2016-4-8 10:01
If you are a massive VIP 10 who has spent tens of thousands on the game. I never plan to beat any ...

$2500 is the minimum you need to top up to be VIP9 and $5000 for VIP10... just sayin

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-4-8 10:08:39

Edited by theunknown404 at 2016-4-8 10:13

shadarlo replied at 2016-4-8 10:01
If you are a massive VIP 10 who has spent tens of thousands on the game. I never plan to beat any ...

Exactly. As I was saying to Kosmo, Hikifune still wins quite well for low levels.

Hikifune was too OP for her price tag.

It is only destiny that she becomes countered at some point.

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-4-8 10:15:09

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 10:07
hey, how expensive is it to buy the modify frags for zero division partners?

20 gold per frag if you are buying directly. You can get some of them from Anniversary feast prize shop as an additional bonus, though. Just not Oetsu.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 10:16:29

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 10:07
hey, how expensive is it to buy the modify frags for zero division partners?

Well that depends on a lot of factors. And it's going to get much cheaper soon with the new feature coming out letting us reset modify on partners to regain the fragments as universal fragments. 500 gold for an 80% return means you can suck the mods out of your other partners and use them to mod a 0 division partner relatively fast. But as of right now tier 6 mod runs somewhere around 20-30k total gold. Which isn't bad if you already have that gold from topping up to obtain a 0 division partner through top up bonuses.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 10:23:57

theunknown404 replied at 2016-4-8 10:08
Exactly. As I was saying to Kosmo, Hikifune still wins quite well for low levels.

Hikifune was too ...

Honestly, for 12k, she should have lost one of her abilities entirely, if not more than that.

The immunity seems the most overpowered... but the immunity on top of fury deduction AND dmg boost and hit all is just overpowered for 12k.

I feel like dropping the fury deduction and changing her attack to support, or assault or some such would make her still strong but not insane.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-4-8 10:24:47

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 10:16
Well that depends on a lot of factors. And it's going to get much cheaper soon with the new featur ...

#THERE IS SUCH A MOTHAHFUCKAH FEATURE?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 10:27:29

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 10:16
Well that depends on a lot of factors. And it's going to get much cheaper soon with the new featur ...

20 to 30k gold is massive in my bank account... but my fiancé has recently got a job... so maybe not as unrealistic as it seems now... plus with that new reset your talking about... hmmmm... lots to think about now... sounds like Hikifune is soon to get a wake upcall when people start to get that "ignore imunitity" mod going... the fall of Hikifune is approaching ladies and gentlemen!!

author: kosmik time: 2016-4-8 10:37:17

Edited by kosmik at 2016-4-8 10:40

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 10:08
$2500 is the minimum you need to top up to be VIP9 and $5000 for VIP10... just sayin

The dudes numbers we're off but his point still stands. I'm vip 9, quit spending a long time ago; I'm not even gonna try to compete with vip10/10+++ still spending, it's a joke. lvl 140 ulti suits now costing a fortune, but if you can afford them, have senju, and still don't 1 shot everything; theres a prior problem that needs addressing. Even the 130 sets we're hella expensive.
Will always, always, be something better coming out around the corner.

*side note

Oetsu ran me 2k gold after needing a 350ish top up for murumasa. Loved that damn event.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 11:09:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 10:27
20 to 30k gold is massive in my bank account... but my fiancé has recently got a job... so may ...

Ignore Immunity isn't really a full solution to Hiki. You still lost your fury, so you're still not going to skill. So unless you plan to kill their entire team with your 1 partner or 2 partners that regular attack and ignore immunity, Hiki is still godlike.

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-8 11:09:52

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 09:44
r8? Is that someone's in game name or something?

lol

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-8 11:11:13

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 10:05
*right

but it really comes out as rate... lol

lol thx there mate but i think he is in the mood for trolling today

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 11:28:08

shadarlo replied at 2016-4-8 11:09
Ignore Immunity isn't really a full solution to Hiki. You still lost your fury, so you're still n ...

Pretty much all the partners that have ignore immunity also have ignore fury deduction. So yes, you are still going to skill.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 11:30:40

playbleach1 replied at 2016-4-8 11:11
lol thx there mate but i think he is in the mood for trolling today

No, I was seriously. I honestly thought you were talking about someone named r8 that was somehow faster than the rest of us XD

Now that I know you meant "right now he has the fastest speed in the US at least" I will tell you once again that you are wrong. Bwg is not the fastest player in the US right now. As I said earlier, I know of at least 4 players capable of outspeeding him with their current stats and team setup. One of them being me

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 11:34:32

Edited by shadarlo at 2016-4-8 11:36

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 11:28
Pretty much all the partners that have ignore immunity also have ignore fury deduction. So yes, yo ...

Kiri doesn't. All the rest do? I didn't realize many at all had it.
EDIT> Hiki doesn't have it either.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 11:51:24

shadarlo replied at 2016-4-8 11:34
Kiri doesn't. All the rest do? I didn't realize many at all had it.
EDIT> Hiki doesn't have it ei ...

Hiki also doesn't have ignore invincibility. Senjumaru though, the partner I keep mentioning over and over as being far superior to hiki, does in fact have both ignore invincibility and ignore fury deduction.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 12:02:40

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 11:51
Hiki also doesn't have ignore invincibility. Senjumaru though, the partner I keep mentioning over ...

Let them get their Hiki... they will find out when a few more features come out...

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-4-8 12:07:18

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-8 12:02
Let them get their Hiki... they will find out when a few more features come out...

Trying to help people not make irreversible mistakes with their money XD Sometimes it feels like a futile venture though.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-8 12:09:01

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 12:07
Trying to help people not make irreversible mistakes with their money XD Sometimes it feels like a ...

yeah, lol I feel ya there

author: shadarlo time: 2016-4-8 12:42:50

I won't be buying either Senju or Hiki, at this point I'm waiting for the new OP partner that comes out so I can laugh at all the Senju/Hiki users

I would have gotten the new VG if she was the other model people had discussed before her release. But I'd prefer a non-VG personally.

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-4-8 15:38:03

playbleach1 replied at 2016-4-8 02:58
i am pretty much sure the day will come when the legend of tensa and katen will be spoken like old ...

I agree. I wonder if we will see orange partners haha

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-4-8 15:42:37

bwg2469 replied at 2016-4-8 15:38
I agree. I wonder if we will see orange partners haha

#AFTER ORANGE COMES PINK

#CZ MUSCLES ARE PINK

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-4-8 22:33:58

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-4-8 11:30
No, I was seriously. I honestly thought you were talking about someone named r8 that was somehow f ...

alright mate you totally defeated me *white flags waving

author: Shaffney time: 2016-4-9 03:46:25

bwg2469 replied at 2016-4-8 05:05
Katen is like a 40% buy for me. I have a strong feeling if I wait this out ill get a better Zanp.

Ryuujin Jakka will be arriving shortly.... Only for the small amount of 75k gold top up and 50k gold spending. But will be better for assaulter based formations.

Just having that feeling....

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-4-9 10:20:48

Shaffney replied at 2016-4-9 00:46
Ryuujin Jakka will be arriving shortly.... Only for the small amount of 75k gold top up and 50k go ...

Oh shit!

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-4-9 10:24:13

bwg2469 replied at 2016-4-9 10:20
Oh shit!

IF YOUR FEELING GENEROOUS ID LOVE A RYUUJIN JAKKA
#I BELEIVE ITLL BE AN ASSAULTER ZANNY TOO
#IT WOULD GO GREAT WITH MY YAMA
#DID I INCLUDE WHITE POWER?

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-4-9 19:46:10

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-4-9 07:24
IF YOUR FEELING GENEROOUS ID LOVE A RYUUJIN JAKKA
#I BELEIVE ITLL BE AN ASSAULTER ZANNY TOO
#IT WO ...

eh? i don't understand hash tags

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-4-9 19:57:54

bwg2469 replied at 2016-4-9 19:46
eh? i don't understand hash tags

lol nicely played
Christ have mecry
on shadow
and bless thy with (how much would it be around 60k. Fuck it 60k)
with 60k gold in thy hands by time
ryuujin jakka comes from thy holy land of heaven
AMEN.

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