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author: HalfW1ng time: 2014-10-14 00:21:16 Title: Is Shinji a Viable tank over Sajin?

Edited by HalfW1ng at 2014-10-28 21:32

Hi Peeps ,

I just wanted to Make a Quick poll regarding the viabilty of the 2 tanks that u get at 70. I am 69 atm and will hit 70 soon and i want your opinion on this.

Now before we start off i know that Sajin is generally conisdered a better tank than Shinji , due to his overall tankyness and his innate ability.

So the Pros in favour of Shinji as far as i can see are
- Better Strength 100 over Komu's 60
- Better block rate
- Better Special for PVP as he damages everyone.

The cons i can see against Shinji are
- Lower Wisdom 40 compared to komu's 60 ?
- Less tanky than Komu , due to his innate 15% boost and his special
- Slower than Komu in terms of speed.
- Less hp than Komu ( similar to tankyness )

So Vote away people and please mention why you picked the option.

Thanks

author: ahhhsome time: 2014-10-14 00:31:47

see the problem with shinji is when used with a zanpakuto his strength is non existent

author: HalfW1ng time: 2014-10-14 00:40:45

ahhhsome replied at 2014-10-13 23:31
see the problem with shinji is when used with a zanpakuto his strength is non existent

Thats why i pointed out the overall increase in strength 100 vs 60 so Shinji will do more damage than komu , regardless of zanpaktos.

Also with extra block he will deal more damage by passive reflects as well.

author: KrisKingOfLegend time: 2014-10-14 00:47:11

to counter act the negative effects of a zan

you will need like lvl 8+ offensive stones + added wisdom stones for defensives purposes and really good gear with the right refines

author: KrisKingOfLegend time: 2014-10-14 00:50:48

if you want him be prepared to spend a lot of of IRL money on him and silver

author: HalfW1ng time: 2014-10-14 01:07:24

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2014-10-13 23:50
if you want him be prepared to spend a lot of of IRL money on him and silver

Ah ok , So Shinji is Viable but you need to be a high VIP to use him effectively is what you are saying?

I forgot to mention that i am a F2p player , and do not have high grade stones ( i have around 4's and 5's ). So i am guessing Shinji is out of the question then.

author: ruedia time: 2014-10-14 01:34:46

Edited by ruedia at 2014-10-14 00:36

I have been reading guides like you I found out alot, Just by doing trail and error test and Im VIP3. I learn Yachiru can be better Sado by how much damage both them take. So I say your best choice is to do Trail and Error test. Yes you can get higher stones then 4 or 5. The reason I say that is I have member in my guild that is F2P. He has lvl 8 Spirit stone. If you listen to alot people on here including me there is no way you can tell best for you. For reason each person play style is different among alot other things.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-14 05:49:29

i am using shinji as for now i think for pvp shinji is better than sajin i have only also 4 and 5's and im vip2 only in my server im top 3/4 my shinji is better bcoz his counter and block is enough to kill in pvp but in pve also good

author: Azureblaise time: 2014-10-19 19:37:05

Shinji is very stone oriented. AND, to be clear, if you really want to use him for damage purposes, you'll need one of the king qualitys that don't decrease your van's damage rate or a captain like Tengen(20% drop) or Zabi(40%-10% from it's buff)

author: kurai_tenshi time: 2014-10-19 20:03:08

Lol I want to get shoji just becuz he was really cool in the anime. But I'm a p2p player and I don't want to waste time on Shinji unless I'm sure he's going to be helpful.

author: Glasglow time: 2014-10-19 20:54:25

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-19 19:58

Yes for PvP and trials, no for hard Espada fights.
Shiji will just melt to the damage invoked by espada 2, and he will also struggle in higher Palace even, maybe even in some higher trials.

My Komamura can't handle Espada 2 and Lv85 palace higher floors, with lv70 R20 infused armor set, so shinji will just get destroyed in either of those unless you give him a higly upgraded and infused 80 red set.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-20 16:26:01

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-20 05:54
Yes for PvP and trials, no for hard Espada fights.
Shiji will just melt to the damage invoked by esp ...

but my shinji can handle im now in lvl 85 palace floor 30/30 and he is the one can survive my assult die 1st and my equip for hm is level 70 infuse 16 14 16 17 11

author: Brahmastra time: 2014-10-21 02:34:10

As for me, Shinji is just an upgraded version of chad with a bit more PVP elements.
His damage in PVP is decent and fine in PVE.
He has no problem tanking but of course Komamura is better for lower VIP players.

That's my take on it. But in the end it really depends on what server you play.

author: ajoalex time: 2014-10-28 15:50:34

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-21 01:26
but my shinji can handle im now in lvl 85 palace floor 30/30 and he is the one can survive my assu ...

till which level did you use shinji?
and what level stones did you have on him?

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-28 21:17:19

ajoalex replied at 2014-10-29 00:50
till which level did you use shinji?
and what level stones did you have on him?

till level 93 i used and only level 4 stone only hahaha

author: ajoalex time: 2014-10-29 00:16:35

Edited by ajoalex at 2014-10-29 10:11

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-29 06:17
till level 93 i used and only level 4 stone only hahaha

nice, are you still using him? which zanpaktou do you use?
i am lvl 64 now. was thinking whether to to take shinji at lvl 70(if so then tenken) or take sajin(if so then kazeshini).

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-29 01:27:22

ajoalex replied at 2014-10-29 09:16
nice, are you still using him? which zanpaktou do you use?
i am lvl 64 now. was thinking whether to ...

im using kazeshini zampaktu i used now i change my VG to NNOITRA GILGA just yesterday i recruit it and now level 85

author: Leitzur time: 2014-10-29 03:46:48

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-29 00:27
im using kazeshini zampaktu i used now i change my VG to NNOITRA GILGA just yesterday i recr ...

and what are your comment about nnoitra? is he worth at trials palace, espada? or just pvp?

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-29 04:12:45

Leitzur replied at 2014-10-29 12:46
and what are your comment about nnoitra? is he worth at trials palace, espada? or just pvp?

viable tank so it means good also in pvp pve also check his mod when i used nnoitra i survive in espada #2

author: KHONHAX time: 2014-10-29 04:13:59

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-29 04:17
till level 93 i used and only level 4 stone only hahaha

I find this hard to believe, especially since you said he lasts longer than your assault in 10th division soul palace. Lv4 stones WILL mean you take like 25k++ damage from each of the enemies. Then you say its got lv70 infused gear (not 20) which means you got 120k hp? Will die on 2nd round if not 1st xD

I would say rather be completely honest and don't try to give someone false hope. Some people might not be able to get 2 lv70 partners before they get to 80+ and making a wrong choice in partners might make them loose interest in the game because they cant do what you claimed to have done.

Shinji will never be as good a tank as Sajin when you use the same gear and stones. Sajin has a passive defense buff and gets a 30% buff on fury. Shinji gets a pretty nice block buff but that is only if it gets to even cast it. If you're going to do stuff like trials and espada's then Sajin would be better.

Offensive VG's will never be better at tanking and defensive VG's will never be as good in dps. When you choose your partners, assess your situation and the status of YOUR current server.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-29 04:20:19

KHONHAX replied at 2014-10-29 13:13
I find this hard to believe, especially since you said he lasts longer than your assault in 10th d ...

u dont belive? =)) its ok my hp? 180k it is low for VG when i used zabemaru like only 190 or 194k hp not only in VG is good also my pruta like i said its up to u to belive

author: KHONHAX time: 2014-10-29 04:24:09

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-29 11:20
u dont belive? =)) its ok my hp? 180k it is low for VG when i used zabemaru like only 190 or 19 ...

180k with lv4 stones and lv16 infused lv70 belt (assuming full stamina refines) "with lv6 hogu and ultimate hp hogyoku"? lol

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-29 04:48:42

Edited by lkyuusen at 2014-10-29 14:00

KHONHAX replied at 2014-10-29 13:24
180k with lv4 stones and lv16 infused lv70 belt (assuming full stamina refines) "with lv6 hogu and ...

sorry small time only ahh that level 5 stone STR just yesterday i fuse

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author: marold time: 2014-10-30 02:58:48

KHONHAX replied at 2014-10-29 03:24
180k with lv4 stones and lv16 infused lv70 belt (assuming full stamina refines) "with lv6 hogu and ...

Don't forget one other things Reiatsu...that can make a great difference.

And for Shinji with 180k hp, as we can see it's possible.
With a lvl 85 NNoitra with a full lvl 70 stuff (infuse too lvl 20 each pieace) i have barely 240k hp.

All the problem with a team formation with shinji is not how he can survive in two or three round in lvl 30 challenge of the lvl 85 reial tower... U need to have a good damage dealing and kill most of the opponent faster than they kill u. And true Shinji is better in counter/Aoe damage than Komamura. Alittle difference can make a great result.

But Ikuusen change is Shinji for Nnoitra. That mean :
- 1st have a vanguard until lvl 70 (not very difficult) and then change again at lvl 90 for nnoitra....
- Change of vanguard purpose too at lvl 70, and then at lvl 90 (Sado/Yachiru are specific vanguard but not as Shinji and Nnoitra). Yachiru defensive style, sado offensive style, Shinji full offensive style, noitra full defensive style....

Not so easy for all pple to gain enough gold reishi to make all that change first, and not easily too for most of pple to change their strategy.

I'm a lazy man and that won't fit for me. Better to make a Yachiru/Nnoitra change or Sado/Shinji and after Stark or hollow ichigo change.

author: KHONHAX time: 2014-10-30 03:22:47

I would like to see a SS with detail open, I do not believe that all 6 stones are lv4. You do make a valid point in reiatsu though.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-30 03:34:34

hahaha until now u are not belive =))) why? ur VG not like this? come to my server and see what i have =)))

author: Glasglow time: 2014-10-30 03:39:08

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-30 02:46

KHONHAX replied at 2014-10-29 03:13
I find this hard to believe, especially since you said he lasts longer than your assault in 10th d ...

What this man says is correct, my friend has lv4 stones in his Sajin and he barely survives one full round in the lv85 palace.
And his vanguard has unusually high HP for the Gear he has on, which means only one thing, that he used all his espada souls on his vanguard, which is not the best choice PvE event wise and PvP wise.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-30 03:45:00

marold replied at 2014-10-30 11:58
Don't forget one other things Reiatsu...that can make a great difference.

And for Shinji with 180 ...

as for me its ok to change bcoz i want it i spend only like 1week to gain golden raishi enough to buy new gold partner and level 100 mybe i will recruit starrk for pvp and gin for pvp also this khonax i dont know what he is thinking =)) mybe he will shock what vip i hve =))) im 3rd rank in my server 4 rank in BP and im only vip2 =)) as u can see mybe im online like 24/7 all events i attend to do basic income in game to make a stronger to not bully for other higher VIP's

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-30 03:47:08

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-30 12:39
What this man says is correct, my friend has lv4 stones in his Sajin and he barely survives one ful ...

i got only 3/3 for espada all my heros is level 3 espada upgrade

author: Glasglow time: 2014-10-30 04:08:11

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-30 02:47
i got only 3/3 for espada all my heros is level 3 espada upgrade

Hm? Not quite sure what you mean.

You have all your partners with 3 Ranks in Espada 4? Which means you spend 120 souls on each partner.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-30 04:08:30

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-30 13:08
Hm? Not quite sure what you mean.

You have all your partners with 3 Ranks in Espada 4? Which mean ...

yes all my partner espada 4 level 3 all and espada 3 level 2 all my partner

author: Glasglow time: 2014-10-30 04:22:27

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-30 03:36

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-30 03:08
yes all my partner espada 4 level 3 all and espada 3 level 2 all my partner

I see, not sure how well that works, i just dumped everything on my main so he has a lot of HP and power.
Might actually reset my main's souls and try redistribute the souls the way you did, see if i get better results.

author: lkyuusen time: 2014-10-30 18:53:10

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-30 13:22
I see, not sure how well that works, i just dumped everything on my main so he has a lot of HP and ...

try it its good.. now im espada 2 already finish the 1st battle but and the 2nd battle i need more and more hit rate so later i will do it

author: marold time: 2014-11-1 05:01:37

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-30 03:08
Hm? Not quite sure what you mean.

You have all your partners with 3 Ranks in Espada 4? Which mean ...

Thats means he spent 190 lvl 4 soul for each is partner and barely 240 levl3 soul for each partner again if i speak of lvl 3 soul too.

That could be possible if he spent coupon and not gold (he says is not a gold user) in harvesting espada soul.

Possible but very hard to do. He need to focus on that and same time cannot use coupon for something else...

author: ajoalex time: 2014-12-10 08:22:55

lkyuusen replied at 2014-10-31 03:53
try it its good.. now im espada 2 already finish the 1st battle but and the 2nd battle i need m ...

so did you replace your shinji yet?

author: Lyanel time: 2015-2-10 18:13:46

Just a ninja post to say i'm level 102, and have Shinji as vanguard, i didn't had enough to buy noitora and i'm low vip so i decided to go directly to Ichigo.
True that some fight are hard but with good assaulter and a retsu as a support, you can do the work.
+In pvp the final mod of shinji (imune to fury steal) is good again Ikkaku.

LMP, but that was hard, really hard.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-10 23:19:02

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-2-11 12:39

Just for reference here's my Shinji at Lvl 96..

Sample Arena Battle VS. Rank 2 http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=582374902218801109&aid=58&t=1

Feel free to ask anymore questions.

author: airyonskyking time: 2015-2-16 10:58:00

[email protected] replied at 2015-2-10 22:19
Just for reference here's my Shinji at Lvl 96..

Sample Arena Battle VS. Rank 2 http://logine ...

for a lv 96 shinji it looks pretty we compared to my lv 93 just saying if you wan to see let me know

author: [email protected] time: 2015-2-17 09:20:52

airyonskyking replied at 2015-2-16 23:58
for a lv 96 shinji it looks pretty we compared to my lv 93 just saying if you wan to see let me kn ...

Yah.. is it ok if you post yours? many people are giving a thumbs down for shinji however i think he is a good tank . Im posting my updated one.

author: Itachi_Kenpachi time: 2015-3-14 13:21:23

Hello guys, so I'm at level 67, I am VIP6, have stones at level 4 and 5, I wonder what show me to do when I get to level 70, Shinji or Sajin? I want to be strong in fighting in the arena.

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-3-14 13:50:52

Itachi_Kenpachi replied at 2015-3-14 10:21
Hello guys, so I'm at level 67, I am VIP6, have stones at level 4 and 5, I wonder what show me to do ...

SAIJIN

THEN STARRK AT LV100

author: [email protected] time: 2015-5-24 04:40:52

Sajin has the more defense than Shinji. It is good when fighting in attack ryoka (high wave), and other event and also in pvp. But Sajin has its cons that is he cant deal a high damage as shinji. What can i say is Sajin is the defensive vanguard and not the attacking vanguard. I am prefer sajin than shinji cuz you dont have to spend much on Sajin to make him becoming a tankable

Sorry my comment is based on my experience in playing this game.

So it has its pros and cons

author: MATTRAT time: 2015-5-24 18:12:24

Get Sajin!! Come on...He's so tankable here's pros!

Komamura is good at pvp AND pve!
Can handle pve events such as soul palace, guild war, espada, trials, cross server(depends)
Said to not need many high lv spirit stones because of his high defense which means u can spend spirit stones on Assaulters and supporters often than sajin

author: iwilldie time: 2015-7-14 06:32:16

Combine Shinji and Lisa Yadomaru

)) Double Trouble

author: angel4you07 time: 2015-9-7 03:07:04

i think better use shinji+shin toshiro...it more good then use Lisa..

author: keyi2004 time: 2016-9-26 10:54:43

shinji is strategically better

because if you want higher damage and block rate then get SHINJI if you also want high block/counter damage then get SHINJI and if you want zanpakuto bonus HP then get SHINJI but if you want a balanced and more variable tank then get Sajin

author: keyi2004 time: 2016-9-26 10:55:04

shinji is strategically better

because if you want higher damage and block rate then get SHINJI if you also want high block/counter damage then get SHINJI and if you want zanpakuto bonus HP then get SHINJI but if you want a balanced and more variable tank then get Sajin

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