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author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-3 21:09:07 Title: I now see the importance of speed in PVP, but...

My Nemu is now the fastest one in my CSB group. I sacrificed most of my agility stones from other partners to give to her. I was slower than a few others until I did that, I would win some and lose some depending on RNG.
I am faster than the number 1, but I can't kill his Vanguard. Nemu 1 shots the rest of his group, but we barely scratch the vanguard. Is having full evo needed for a vanguard, my Ichibe seems super squishy. I have all rank 10 Strength stones, but his Pdef is less than my Mayuri's by 34k. Ichibe's Sdef is slightly higher, but only because Mayuri has 2 wisdom stones(both rank 6) and Ichibe has 6 stones and they are rank 8's and 9's. I'm starting to wonder how to get my defense up, since it seems really low.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-3 21:17:31

Ichibei is an hp type vanguard not a def type vanguard. His strength lies in his massive hp and his heal that heals based on current hp. That's what you should focus on for ichibei

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-3 21:37:22

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-3 21:17
Ichibei is an hp type vanguard not a def type vanguard. His strength lies in his massive hp and his ...

His HP is 800k to Mayuri's 500k, so in that area is he good. Besides the CSB, I'm stuck in King of Hollow Souls on the first Gin fight. The damage I take is too high even when I shift best stones, Hogyoku's and Hogu's to 1 person. I thought reincarnation would help, but I still take too much damage.

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-5-3 21:49:48

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-3 21:37
His HP is 800k to Mayuri's 500k, so in that area is he good. Besides the CSB, I'm stuck in King o ...

His HP can potentially go a lot higher than that.

Defense can still help, though, if you have it since he has some defensive mods.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-3 22:22:58

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-3 21:37
His HP is 800k to Mayuri's 500k, so in that area is he good. Besides the CSB, I'm stuck in King o ...

comparing the hp on your vanguard to the hp on one of your assaulters should not be how you determine good or not. What level are you by the way? Kind of hard to understand your stats without knowing your level

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-3 22:51:30

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-3 22:22
comparing the hp on your vanguard to the hp on one of your assaulters should not be how you determ ...

Here is my main 3. My Senjumaru doesn't have 4th mod for speed yet and her gear isn't as good right now.

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-3 23:01:44

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2016-5-3 23:03

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-3 21:37
His HP is 800k to Mayuri's 500k, so in that area is he good. Besides the CSB, I'm stuck in King o ...

did i just read that your vanguard has higher wisdom stones than your nemu? Either way, much like you nerfed everyone else to make her faster, you should always be tempted to nerf your other support(s) to up her wisdom stones, critical stones, break defense, ect... as for vanguards... pve partners are a good option (and you already have them up to level). Bankai Rukia is of course the best choice if you have 40,000 gold laying around Tenjiro is another good choice as he is naturally very fast, hits very hard, and if everyone else is already dead, he will always hit the vanguard, removing his randomness. Also, one of the first skills on the main (#2 i believe) reduces defense, and may be a good choice on god-vangs

edit: Senjumaru will help you a lot, IMO, once you get her up to level and evoed some, try her out with nemu's equiment to see which you like more...

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-3 23:07:20

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-3 23:01
did i just read that your vanguard has higher wisdom stones than your nemu? Either way, much li ...

No, my Nemu has all rank 10 wisdom stones. I meant when I've tried to get past the first Gin fight I have even tried shifting stones and stuff around to beat the solo fight. I've tried Nemu, Senjumaru, Mayuri, Ichibe, main, Retsu Kenpachi, Brenji and Brukia. Mayuri and Ichibe are the only ones that can survive 2 hits.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-3 23:30:06

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-3 23:07
No, my Nemu has all rank 10 wisdom stones. I meant when I've tried to get past the first Gin figh ...

oh, i thought you were talking about another player, not that... in which case, I'm not the guy to ask as that's the fight I'm on myself, lol

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-3 23:49:26

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author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-3 23:56:16

Edited by mayuri1177 at 2016-5-4 00:08

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-5-3 23:49
well hes not reincarnated

Ichibe and Senjumaru aren't yet. I used up my other stones I had to do the inherit for the xp scrolls to get Mayuri and Nemu back up in level. I almost have enough for Ichibe and Senjumaru. I just hit 110 a few days ago.
I normally have Brenji in for events in place of Ichibe, so his level was lagging behind the others.

I have Retsu Kenpachi at 1 star modify, but she is only level 95. Brenji is at 106 with 1 star also. They will get more use when there is a server merge. I'm pretty much the only one on my server now, so they aren't as needed for ES and Ryoka now.

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-5-4 00:09:46

You will need to mod Ichibe more to make him better.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-4 00:16:03

theunknown404 replied at 2016-5-4 00:09
You will need to mod Ichibe more to make him better.

I had him up to 3 stars at one point, but Nemu stole it to get her 4th mod for the Immune to Fury Deduction. Senjumaru also has that for her 3rd mod. I just started a Harribel to farm mods from. I think Ichibe will be the next to get mods, but I haven't decided since the 25% defense isn't until his 5th mod.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-4 00:58:22

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author: Brahmastra time: 2016-5-4 00:58:32

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-4 03:17
Ichibei is an hp type vanguard not a def type vanguard. His strength lies in his massive hp and his ...

>Ichibae

author: [email protected] time: 2016-5-4 03:09:24

use zanp that have 0 damage rate, avoid injury rate, + up ur immune as vanguard around 60%. Or u can do with t1 speed + damage.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-4 03:45:57

I didn't win the solo part of the fight, but Nemu and Senjumaru survived their first round of special attacks then I got lucky with a few extra rounds. Nemu, Mayuri and Senjumaru survived at the end. That first round I kept losing main and at least 1 supporter, but only my main died in the first round and Ichibe was able to buy some time for the rest to win it. Onto the second Gin fight next.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-4 07:00:10

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-3 22:51
Here is my main 3. My Senjumaru doesn't have 4th mod for speed yet and her gear isn't as good rig ...

Wow, okay there's a lot of things I'm seeing wrong here and I'm not even sure what to start with...

First off I guess your primary concern should be getting better equipment on your partners. Next would be you need to focus waaayyyy more of your stamina/hp on ichibei. Your mayuri shouldn't be nearly as close in hp as he is. Anyways those are your biggest most deadly concerns right now.

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-5-4 07:37:19

Im just here for the good stuff

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-4 11:35:51

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-4 07:00
Wow, okay there's a lot of things I'm seeing wrong here and I'm not even sure what to start with.. ...

I agree that the gear is what I need most. You would probably laugh if you seen the gear my main and Senjumaru still have.

Mayuri has the same growth natural growth rate for stamina as Ichibe at 6.2, but my Mayuri's is actually higher now since he has level 15 Exclusive Skill. Ichibe has all 6 r10 Stamina Stones but Mayuri only currently has 5 Stamina stones 1 r8, 2 r9 and 2 r10. I still think he was supposed to of been a Vanguard, but they coded him as an Assaulter.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-4 12:37:19

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-4 11:35
I agree that the gear is what I need most. You would probably laugh if you seen the gear my main ...

Yes but you see, vanguards get a huge hp bonus from zanpakuto, plus ichibei's mods are largely focused around hp, AND there's the fact that his talent gives a wopping 30% to stamina if I'm recalling correctly. So you see, ichibei should easily have double the hp of your next closest partner.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-4 13:04:01

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-5-4 00:58
mods are a must partners these days are crap without them

retsu with crit mod she can pretty much ...

level 70 tavern (must be gold, plus there is no level 60 tavern) and yeah, I do 7 gold partners and Kirinji daily

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-4 14:47:30

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-4 12:37
Yes but you see, vanguards get a huge hp bonus from zanpakuto, plus ichibei's mods are largely foc ...

I have Ichibe's 12% HP mod, but don't have his 15% one. That is his 4th mod. I made the mistake of infusing Ichibe's level 100 gear since I didn't realize the 90 Ultimate gear was that much better. I now have a set on 100 Ultimate gear, but need water to make it better. So that is going to help Ichibe or Nemu depending who I give it to.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-4 19:12:10

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