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author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 19:13:43 Title: It's Official, Nemu is faster than Senjumaru

I finally got the 20% speed mod for Senjumaru today. As you can see, when wearing the same gear, Nemu is faster. Both have level 15 exclusive skill. The only difference is that Nemu has 1200 more speed from evo, but has a little more than 11k speed total. I did move the mod soul manually when I did the exchange all.
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author: Evild4nte time: 2016-5-10 19:18:21

Both have maxed bounds ?
By the way senru is 2 level lower.

author: Jinkanzaki time: 2016-5-10 19:21:37

Yes, but does it blend?

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 19:22:50

Evild4nte replied at 2016-5-10 19:18
Both have maxed bounds ?
By the way senru is 2 level lower.

I don't have bonds for anyone besides the main, since I can't see the conditions.

author: LeoNx93 time: 2016-5-10 19:24:17

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-10 19:22
I don't have bonds for anyone besides the main, since I can't see the conditions.

senju has a speed bond......

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-5-10 19:25:17

But did you die !!!!

author: Raeace time: 2016-5-10 19:26:41

I think you should check the reiatsu speed because that matters when it comes to real speed, some partners gain more speed from reiatsu while others don't like when I used Kazeshini my Urahara was faster than my S.Gin, back then I had stripped my S.Gin out of all speed items, but when I used Hyorinmaru my S.Gin destroyed Urahara in speed, while the non-reiatsu numbers were out of the window aswell.
Ps. Didn you check the pet souls, they dont change their owner when you just swap the gear.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 19:41:16

LeoNx93 replied at 2016-5-10 19:24
senju has a speed bond......

I see she has that with Kirio Hikifune. So if you have both out together, Senjumaru could be faster, but if you don't Nemu is naturally faster.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 19:44:50

Raeace replied at 2016-5-10 19:26
I think you should check the reiatsu speed because that matters when it comes to real speed, some pa ...

In the first post I did mention that I manually swapped the mod soul. The screens are from their non-reiatsu stats since they are the brownish-red instead of the greenish-blue from reiatsu stats.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 19:47:31

Jinkanzaki replied at 2016-5-10 19:21
Yes, but does it blend?

As long as I keep Senjumaru faster with that gear, she T1's Nemu and increases her damage then Nemu T1's the assaulters(they have 10% stones) and increases their damage.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-10 19:49:03

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author: theunknown404 time: 2016-5-10 20:10:27

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-10 19:41
I see she has that with Kirio Hikifune. So if you have both out together, Senjumaru could be fast ...

Of course. Nemu's Agility is better

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 20:11:02

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-5-10 19:49
do it all naked

So you want to see totally naked like outside of formation, no souls, no mod soul and equipment. I can do that after Ryoka event.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-10 20:24:45

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-10 19:41
I see she has that with Kirio Hikifune. So if you have both out together, Senjumaru could be fast ...

Or they could put Hiki in their bond reinforcement team instead so they don't have to use her in their regular formation....

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 20:29:12

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-10 20:24
Or they could put Hiki in their bond reinforcement team instead so they don't have to use her in t ...

Do you know the conditions for that, it's cut off and I can't see it? I have Hiki, but don't use her much. I'm working on getting Hiki and few others up in level. Also if you know a place I can see other bonds it would be appreciated.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-10 20:32:58

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-10 20:29
Do you know the conditions for that, it's cut off and I can't see it? I have Hiki, but don't use ...

In the bond menu click the button in the upper right corner that says something like "see all" I think. That'll lead you to a list of every partner in the game and you can see their bonds there, even partners you don't have.

As for seeing hiki's bonds try right clicking in the black section on the side of your browser's in game screen, then left click on the thing that shows the bond conditions. That should make the window appear in the middle of the screen so you can read it.

author: LeoNx93 time: 2016-5-10 20:49:12

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-10 19:41
I see she has that with Kirio Hikifune. So if you have both out together, Senjumaru could be fast ...

u dont have to have hikifune paired with senju in formation for bond to work................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 21:05:07

LeoNx93 replied at 2016-5-10 20:49
u dont have to have hikifune paired with senju in formation for bond to work...................... ...

I thought the bonds worked like it does for the main. I can see what stage to do but can't see the conditions for it. All I can see is "damage dealt is no more than 50% of".

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-10 23:07:50

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-5-10 19:49
do it all naked

Here they are naked with no personal mod soul, no equipment, no accessories, no souls, out of formation, no zanpakuto, no hogus and the main mod soul set to the basic one(called Mod Soul).
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I still can't figure out what to do for the bonds. Is there a guide somewhere to decrypt the conditions?

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-5-11 00:26:55

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 05:07
Here they are naked with no personal mod soul, no equipment, no accessories, no souls, out of form ...

Senru can only have the same speed like Nemu or maybe a little bit more or less, coz she can have 3% more speed than Nemu with her bound (15% to 12%). Without Nemu is faster without a question.

With Chrome i can see the whole requirements, when i click the setting icon (the icon with the 3 stripes) and then directly on the requirement button.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 00:36:54

Evild4nte replied at 2016-5-11 00:26
Senru can only have the same speed like Nemu or maybe a little bit more or less, coz she can have ...

I kind of figured out how to do the bond stages. I think it has to be the main and the person that will get benefit from bond in battle only. I was able to get the bond with Senju and Hiki, so the gap is closing between them now. I'm not sure how I got it since I tried a lot without getting it and I'm not sure what was different when I got credit for it.

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-5-11 03:03:10

Jinkanzaki replied at 2016-5-10 16:21
Yes, but does it blend?

I approve this message!

author: dionysvs time: 2016-5-11 03:09:19

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 00:36
I kind of figured out how to do the bond stages. I think it has to be the main and the person tha ...

the whole point of seju is the bond speed, otherwise she isnt even faster than hikifune

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 04:59:51

I got Nemu's bond with Yachiru. I had to go into battle with no gear to make sure I took enough damage, but I did get it on the first try. When Nemu-Yachiru and Senju-Hiki are maxed, they are going to be extremely close to who is the faster one.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-5-11 05:23:33

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author: bwg2469 time: 2016-5-11 05:45:52

wait speed matters still?

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-5-11 05:50:05

ALL HAIL AID RATE , ALL HAIL NOITRA !!!

author: ajoalex time: 2016-5-11 06:13:14

bwg2469 replied at 2016-5-11 15:45
wait speed matters still?

actually velocity matters more in the long run !!

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-11 09:43:36

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author: Jinkanzaki time: 2016-5-11 13:15:31

bwg2469 replied at 2016-5-11 03:03
I approve this message!

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-11 13:34:05

the real question is how can you even compare these 2 partners? Nemu is crap compared to Senjumaru... the speed difference is really not much of anything at this speed in the game. and true, your nemu does have slightly higher strat atk than Senju does, but senju's skill is SOOOO much better than Nemu's... besides, don't you have senju, nemu, mayori, MC, and Ichibe? With so many insanely hard hitting partners, why all pvp partners? it would have been wiser IMO to run closer to this party... Senju, Nemu, B Renji, MC, and make the third partner be Mayori in PVP, and Isshin in PVE surely if you can't kill them with a T1 Senju, T1 Nemu, and a T1 Mayori, you just need to stop attacking that person, lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-5-11 13:41:24

ajoalex replied at 2016-5-11 06:13
actually velocity matters more in the long run !!

Pick a direction

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-5-11 13:47:15

ajoalex replied at 2016-5-11 03:13
actually velocity matters more in the long run !!

That's what she said

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-5-11 13:47:33

Jinkanzaki replied at 2016-5-11 10:15

I don't know why this doesn't get more upvotes??!!

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 14:40:26

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-11 13:34
the real question is how can you even compare these 2 partners? Nemu is crap compared to Senjumaru. ...

That is my PVP group. For events I rotate Berserk Renji in for Ichibe and sometimes Retsu Kenpachi for Nemu or Senju. Retsu is getting close to 100 now, so it will be easier to swap gear to her. I have a few others that I put in as well. Ichibe is not used for events unless I forget to take him out.

Nemu used to be better in PVP for me since she was a lot faster than Senjumaru. Now they are about the same speed, I have Senju with the better gear to get the cycle going of buffing damage and making others T1.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-11 16:55:14

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 14:40
That is my PVP group. For events I rotate Berserk Renji in for Ichibe and sometimes Retsu Kenpach ...

fair enough... just seems like you have a LOT of redundancy going on in your party... when i see the tops fight, 95% of the time, the first player to act, wins, and it only takes one person to do the damage, for instance, nox goes first, his/her T1 Senju destroys everyone on the other team, fight is over... true this does not happen 100% of the time, but to me it seems like if you had spent all your gold in game on one single partner (purchasing and beefing them up) and a high class Zanpacto, you would be right up there with them... one AOE partner @500k BP destroys 5 of them at 200k BP

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 17:29:54

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-11 16:55
fair enough... just seems like you have a LOT of redundancy going on in your party... when i se ...

My team is the fastest one in my CSB group, but I still can't kill the #1's vanguard. I can wipe the rest of his team right away, but his TSI is unkillable. The next strongest team takes more than just Nemu or Senjumaru to kill. I think my team fits well together with Senju buffing supporters and making them T1 and then Nemu buffing the assaulters and making them T1.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 17:32:48

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 17:29
My team is the fastest one in my CSB group, but I still can't kill the #1's vanguard. I can wipe ...

your creation has been confirmed fastest

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 17:33:46

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-11 16:55
fair enough... just seems like you have a LOT of redundancy going on in your party... when i se ...

lol very true

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 17:40:38

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-11 17:32
your creation has been confirmed fastest

Here is today's BR against the #1.

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-11 18:42:29

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 17:29
My team is the fastest one in my CSB group, but I still can't kill the #1's vanguard. I can wipe ...

TSI is never unkillable... all you need is work... oh, and one of these... (BTW, she isn't beefed up much as i just rented her for a day for bond... although i may pick her back up TBH)
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This is the best answer to every Noza, TSI, D Ichigo, Ichibe, GodStarrk, whatever

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-5-11 18:44:05

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-11 23:42
TSI is never unkillable... all you need is work... oh, and one of these... (BTW, she isn't be ...

GodStarrk

???

He doesn't die

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 18:59:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-11 18:42
TSI is never unkillable... all you need is work... oh, and one of these... (BTW, she isn't be ...

I just got her to 110 yesterday, but I need more stones to do the reincarnation. I used up what I had last night when I did Berserk Renji. They both hit 110 together and I decided to do him first.

My best set of gear gives Nemu/Senju around 810k BP now, the next best set for supporters give them about 500k. Bankai Rukia is a little more tricky to get BP and damage up since she can't use my best Wisdom Hogu. She would help against him since it seems his TSI has very high Pdef, poor Mayuri can't even hurt him.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-11 19:02:01

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 18:59
I just got her to 110 yesterday, but I need more stones to do the reincarnation. I used up what I ...

80% mutilate bro... plus her other vanguard status effects... she's a beast

author: QuantumQuasar time: 2016-5-11 19:52:26

I thought hiki was the fastest

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 19:54:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-11 18:42
TSI is never unkillable... all you need is work... oh, and one of these... (BTW, she isn't be ...

But that bitch cant answer to this
[attach]14480[/attach] #God Ganju

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 19:56:29

Edited by mayuri1177 at 2016-5-11 19:58

QuantumQuasar replied at 2016-5-11 19:52
I thought hiki was the fastest

She is pretty close to my Senju. Your Hiki is better overall and 10 levels higher.
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author: QuantumQuasar time: 2016-5-11 20:04:20

This is what happens when i switch hikifunes equipment with Kirinjis. I dont plan on keeping it like this though.

author: LeoNx93 time: 2016-5-11 20:08:29

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-10 23:07
Here they are naked with no personal mod soul, no equipment, no accessories, no souls, out of form ...

you do realize senjus evo is 0....

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 20:09:58

LeoNx93 replied at 2016-5-11 20:08
you do realize senjus evo is 0....

he said at the top nemu only gets 1200 speed from the extra evo but they both don't matter against this
[attach]14484[/attach] and yeah thats with zero fucking mods

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 20:10:11

LeoNx93 replied at 2016-5-11 20:08
you do realize senjus evo is 0....

It was at that time and that was mentioned in the first post that Nemu had 1200 more speed from evo.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 20:11:49

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 20:10
It was at that time and that was mentioned in the first post that Nemu had 1200 more speed from ev ...

lol don't worry shadows got your back it just took me a little longer to post cause I tried to edit it then I accidently deleted it so I had to do it over but its on the page b4

author: QuantumQuasar time: 2016-5-11 20:13:11

I will return

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 20:18:27

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-11 20:11
lol don't worry shadows got your back it just took me a little longer to post cause I tried to edi ...

That Ganju is crazy. He IS the LivingGod.

author: Kosmodestiny time: 2016-5-11 20:29:27

QuantumQuasar replied at 2016-5-11 19:52
I thought hiki was the fastest

What century are you living in? XD

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 20:32:33

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 20:18
That Ganju is crazy. He IS the LivingGod.

took a lot of stacking to get his defense that high and hes not even fully evo or moddedat all #still room for growth

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-11 20:32:55

Kosmodestiny replied at 2016-5-11 20:29
What century are you living in? XD

probably the same century that avatars from

author: dionysvs time: 2016-5-11 20:42:31

Edited by dionysvs at 2016-5-11 20:44

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-11 20:10
It was at that time and that was mentioned in the first post that Nemu had 1200 more speed from ev ...

doesnt work like that, the bond + mod bonuses are applied to that 1.2k
also, 2 lvls count for a lot, my hiki gets 1.5k speed / lvl and shes slower in base & growth

nemu: 20% agi talent, 32% speed from mod+bond, 53% with tensa/mura
seju: 18% agi talent, 35% speed from mob+bond, 56% with tensa/mura

now say you have 180% agi from stones, thats 6 lv10s
say they both have 100 agi
nemu total agi becomes 300, with speed bonus thats 459
seju total agi becomes 298, with speed bonus thats 465

not to mention side things such as hollow soul, evo and hogyoku that give actual speed, so only affected by the speed bonus.
in the end seju may not be much faster, but she is definitely faster

ofcourse since nemu has better growth she may be faster at say lv150 but since we dont know how growth and base actually affect stats, cant say for sure

author: Cronosel time: 2016-5-11 20:59:24

No, it's not official. SENJU IS BEST IN ALL WAYS MOTHAFUCKA!!

#FUCKYOUALVA

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 21:02:59

dionysvs replied at 2016-5-11 20:42
doesnt work like that, the bond + mod bonuses are applied to that 1.2k
also, 2 lvls count for a lot ...

I just meant how far she was in her evo that gave +1200 speed. Nemu still has that and now Senju has +400 speed with how far I have her now.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-11 21:13:03

Cronosel replied at 2016-5-11 20:59
No, it's not official. SENJU IS BEST IN ALL WAYS MOTHAFUCKA!!

Mayuri made Nemu, so Nemu is the best.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-12 15:20:32

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-11 19:54
But that bitch cant answer to this
#God Ganju

#hack

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-12 15:51:20

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 15:20
#hack

Bankai Rukia's Mutilate killed the #1 today. I was hoping she could get her skill off before dying and she did.

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

author: Lucky__Black time: 2016-5-12 15:54:33

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-12 15:51
Bankai Rukia's Mutilate killed the #1 today. I was hoping she could get her skill off before dyin ...

nice battle

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-12 16:00:03

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 15:20
#hack

nah nigga 100% real its not mine but it is real
#Its Mages

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-12 16:02:49

Lucky__Black replied at 2016-5-12 15:54
nice battle

The ironic thing is this post was about Nemu and she was the one I took out to use Bankai Rukia, lol.

author: YourSympathy time: 2016-5-12 16:24:58

With the speed that nemu got from evolution and the level difference of course she's faster.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-12 18:20:21

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-12 15:51
Bankai Rukia's Mutilate killed the #1 today. I was hoping she could get her skill off before dyin ...

next week i'm going to pick her up on limited lease event... rented her for a day before so i could have her for bond... so yeah, i'm gonna bite the bullet and start pumping gold into her to keep her

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-12 18:26:40

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 18:20
next week i'm going to pick her up on limited lease event... rented her for a day before so i co ...

only if you had a well full of gold

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-12 18:47:47

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 18:20
next week i'm going to pick her up on limited lease event... rented her for a day before so i co ...

I rented her for a day during Limited Lease during the Labor event, but ended up getting her from the points I got from getting some spirit stones, armor and accessory sets. I waited until one of the last days before I decided to get her with the points.

I almost got Oetsu and someone else, but went with Rukia. Her gold status instead of red was the main reason I was hesitant. She made me happy today though.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-12 19:17:02

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-12 18:26
only if you had a well full of gold

yeah, i'll have her paid off in probably 3 or so months
figure between $50 and $100 a week... if i top up well, and stay diligent, i should get her for around $500. A little overpriced, but really not terrible... the big issue is getting Xmas ichi and Honor Shop Ulquorria to do her massive bonds with

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-12 19:21:52

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 19:17
yeah, i'll have her paid off in probably 3 or so months
figure between $50 and $100 a week... if ...

ehhh honor shop ulq. is not that bad the problem will mostly be with getting an xmas ichi cuz if I recall he only comes in ubp. and I can see ulq being a problem if you either don't have shini agent or don't want to use coupons on daily task

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-12 19:27:45

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-12 19:21
ehhh honor shop ulq. is not that bad the problem will mostly be with getting an xmas ichi cuz if I ...

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author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-12 19:39:19

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 19:27

lol did u just fucking get grimmjow from honorshop

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-5-12 19:49:39

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-12 19:39
lol did u just fucking get grimmjow from honorshop

no, i had him from a few weeks ago, lol but really, for a purple partner, he's not terrible at all, lol

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-13 01:24:33

Edited by mayuri1177 at 2016-5-13 01:57

YourSympathy replied at 2016-5-12 16:24
With the speed that nemu got from evolution and the level difference of course she's faster.

The gap is actually increasing with the better gear I get. Here is an updated version now that they are same level and Nemu has 1200 speed from evo and Senju has 900. This is them without their speed bonds. When I remove Yachiru from the bonds list and leave Hiki in the bonds, Nemu is still faster. Senju's bond with my Hiki gives 3.5% which is more than the max gap between them when bonds are maxed. Senju will continue getting slower the more agility there is in the gear. Senju does get closer though, her speed gets up to 408k when Hiki is in the bonds.

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author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-13 05:15:41

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-5-12 19:49
no, i had him from a few weeks ago, lol but really, for a purple partner, he's not terrible at al ...

lol true but I guess that's why its a thing where you need an annoying amount of points everyday which ive never gotten on luck or when I used to use coupons to try id spend 100 then would fuck it

author: shadarl time: 2016-5-13 15:28:09

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-13 01:24
The gap is actually increasing with the better gear I get. Here is an updated version now that the ...

The growth rate and starting stat likely more than makes up for the 3% speed difference listed in that post a page or two back.

It does seem like Nemu is about 5% faster.

That may not seem like much.... but for about 6 months the top 4 people on my server bounced back and forth between #1 speed sometimes separated by less than 3% between the 4 of us and sometimes the #1/2 were only a few hundred speed apart. 5% is huge compared to that.

I personally really like Nemu as a partner, was very tempted to get her. But I'm waiting to spend until something truly epic comes out.

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