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author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-15 14:22:23 Title: It's Official, Speed makes no sense from one level to another...

I thought Nemu was going to continue getting faster, but that changed after I hit 109 again on both Nemu and Senju. Nemu did have a 20k lead in base speed with bond partners not equipped at 108, now that gap is very narrow. I can't figure out how the gap was closed. Removing Hogyoku, Hogus, Zanpakuto, Souls and Boots doesn't show me how Senju is catching up. Updated screens with bond partners and without.

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author: Brahmastra time: 2016-5-15 14:39:07

heh..

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-5-15 14:46:01

Speed doesn't matter for the top players of the game. Hint Hint

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-5-15 14:58:22

bwg2469 replied at 2016-5-15 19:46
Speed doesn't matter for the top players of the game. Hint Hint

Nigga it doesn't even matter for me

fek you

or does this mean im a top player..

WHOOP

author: LeoNx93 time: 2016-5-15 16:28:51

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-5-15 14:58
Nigga it doesn't even matter for me

fek you

you a top playa pimp hazashi.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-5-15 16:47:10

LeoNx93 replied at 2016-5-15 21:28
you a top playa pimp hazashi.

WHOOP <3

I knew it in my heart <3

author: polarisx7 time: 2016-5-15 16:54:21

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author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-15 17:30:08

polarisx7 replied at 2016-5-15 16:54
That seems about right to me. If you consider mods Nemu is slightly faster than Senju. Both have a ...

It will take a while, but eventually Senju will probably become faster than Nemu because of her better bonus from bonds. I still can't explain the 10k speed gap that Senju closed though since it remains that way even when I remove things that add pure speed.

I haven't upgraded the agility stones on that set of gear since I've been keeping track of the 2 when Senju got her +20% speed mod. I have increased fortify level on Katen, maxed the level 11 Agility Hogu and increased the level of my red Speed Hogyoku.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-15 17:52:02

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author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-15 18:07:31

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-5-15 17:52
yeah but whats the evo stast increase on speed if nay

The Evo stats is another part that makes this strange. Senju still has 900 from Evo, but Nemu now has 2000(up from 1200 when both were 108). So Senju should of lost ground due to Evo.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-15 18:19:25

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author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-5-15 18:27:54

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author: shadarlo time: 2016-5-16 11:21:57

Have you refreshed the game? Sometimes some stats can bug out when gear / zanpaks are added/removed.

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-5-16 11:35:38

Edited by Evild4nte at 2016-5-16 17:39

Some little pushes give more speed than others. I think besides agi-stones, u get the most value from treasures, accessorys and the level of the crew. These stuff is all improving the agility, which is has a quite high multiplicator by your spirit stones. Other stuff gives all only speed, which is not multiplicated with such a high factor, so its not such a difference.
The exclusive level is some greater boost too, but nothing compared to the agi pushes.

By the way, i have checked my stats, when my Senru got her exclusive skill level 40.
It was a speedincrease of 5k. Maybe 2k by the plain stat increase and 3k by the 0.09 more growthrate, which is not that much compared to for example.

Hogy: around 189k speed
Accessorys: around 187k speed
Stones: around 82k speed missing for each removed stone
When comparing to some guy of my server, who is level 120 and have gear, which should probably give him around 80-85% of my speed, its obvious, that the level is making a real difference. He has only around 55% of my speed, because his level is too low. So he is missing the levelup increases and the possibility of using better gear.

author: Lelouch71 time: 2016-5-16 11:39:22

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-5-15 18:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQ5QZ06yik

damn i'm trapped for 10 hours,fk you mate

author: playbleach1 time: 2016-5-22 00:09:01

i dont know but when i see their talents they both have same " increase agilty and intellgence by certain percentage" . now the point is do they have same or different % .

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-22 01:09:23

playbleach1 replied at 2016-5-22 00:09
i dont know but when i see their talents they both have same " increase agilty and intellgence by ce ...

According to the Wiki, it shows Nemu with 20% and Senju with 18%.  When both have max bonds, their speed will be very close.

Senju gets 15% from bond with Hiki and Nemu gets 12% from Yachiru.  Nemu does have an additional speed bond with Mayuri that can make her a lot faster when attacked, she gets up to having a 15% chance to increase speed by 20% when being attacked.

I have been working on other bonds lately and have 5% for Senju and 4% for Nemu.  Nemu still is faster when I have best gear on her.  I normally leave it on Senju since she can feed T1 to supporters then Nemu can T1 the assaulters(they need at least a 10% stone).

author: tytheboy time: 2016-5-22 02:17:46

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-15 18:07
The Evo stats is another part that makes this strange. Senju still has 900 from Evo, but Nemu now ...

if senju has the speed modify yet do considder you get a 10% bonaus of all speed yiou add on her as well 10spd isnt 10 spd anymore in that case
(lets say 20%bonus in spd) increse spd by 10 and the bonus makes it 12
that might have something to say... no idea how yuo ended up adding close to 7k on her tho if you didnt try to

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-22 02:41:39

Here is an updated version of Senju and Nemu. I took a snippit of them with bonds and without speed bond.

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author: badbone time: 2016-5-22 03:13:35

Lol how much difference you want only from 0.3 grow rate , even on 159 lvl wont be much

author: undine time: 2016-5-22 14:17:44

bwg2469 replied at 2016-5-15 14:46
Speed doesn't matter for the top players of the game. Hint Hint

Zento and such ?

author: kosmik time: 2016-5-22 14:33:35

badbone replied at 2016-5-22 03:13
Lol how much difference you want only from 0.3 grow rate , even on 159 lvl wont be much

Maths,  lets say they're only 10 agility apart, so 10 and 10.3 (low but easy to calc) and your in lvl 12 stones on each that are 45% x6.
at 114 the first is 307.8 speed.  The second is 313.9.
@ 159 = 404.7 and 415.8.
those levels are adding basically adding the base agility's speed at that point.  I used 10 as a reference, now imagine how large of a gap those numbers become with say 2500 additional agility.  You may not think levels are adding much but they are, absolutely.

BTW I failed the hell outta maths, so if I'm wrong, feel free to point it out.

author: badbone time: 2016-5-22 17:52:01

kosmik replied at 2016-5-22 14:33
Maths, lets say they're only 10 agility apart, so 10 and 10.3 (low but easy to calc) and your in ...

Stones dont count only talent and grow rate and i may be wrong but mine round calculations shows max 15k agility difference for 159 both ,becouse i dont know how much agility we get from 1-159 lvl i never recorded it. And with mods bonds zanpakuto those
15k are max 24k speed .You need 800k+ speed on senju to be faster than nemu

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-22 17:55:44

bwg2469 replied at 2016-5-15 14:46
Speed doesn't matter for the top players of the game. Hint Hint

oh do you see a top player some where
(looks around)

author: badbone time: 2016-5-22 18:01:32

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-5-22 17:55
oh do you see a top player some where
(looks around)

You see Top Up players

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-5-22 18:06:14

badbone replied at 2016-5-22 18:01
You see Top Up players

lol yes I do

author: kosmik time: 2016-5-22 18:46:52

badbone replied at 2016-5-22 17:52
Stones dont count only talent and grow rate and i may be wrong but mine round calculations shows ...

Stones don't count for what?

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-5-22 19:06:44

The stones make a difference. I took screen of Senju and Nemu under 4 conditions: normal, no agility stones, no bonds and no stones/bonds. As you can see, when the agility stones are removed, Nemu loses almost all of her lead.

Normal-6251 faster
No bonds-10370 faster
No stones-1641 faster
No stones/bonds-3817 faster

author: badbone time: 2016-5-23 04:24:24

Edited by badbone at 2016-5-23 04:31

kosmik replied at 2016-5-22 18:46
Stones don't count for what?

For the agility you get from level up if you think they count its not my problem
We are talking if they have same stones lvl 12

author: kosmik time: 2016-5-23 12:34:29

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-5-22 19:06
The stones make a difference. I took screen of Senju and Nemu under 4 conditions: normal, no agilit ...

Check the evo on them also, prolly throwing the #'s off slightly, but still sounds about right.

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