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author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-24 10:41:30 Title: R.Ikkaku or Starrk

Yep,, Its only 30 days away .. a.k.a 18888 coupons + 4000 saved my me already... i calculaed and i can easily get R.Ikkaku... and as you already know getting starrk is easy..
my zan is senbon and i believe in GOD VAN.....

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the reason i am asking this is that on one side there is a heavy block rate ( probably something like 220 or 230% ,depends on block stones lvs),if i make him god van with a really good attack( plus i have senbon) then enemies are going to have a hard time raising that much break defence rate.. the problem are his Growth rates... he got wisdom rate =2.3.. a.k.a no wisdom defence. ( my current van is shinji and his wisdom defence is only a 1000 less than P.Defence and he got 2.4 growth rate.. but i heard that the more you go in the game, the more the difference between growth rates becomes visible), in his skill the 15% defence increase doesnt matter , because it will only overwrite senbon's buff of 25% defence and make it even worse..

as for starrk , he doesnt have that much block rate but he got break defence and healing, more break defence a.k.a more healing that means more survival but the problem is that he will only attack people when his turn , plus you cant just rely on healing as sometimes things can go wrong with that as well...

if i get a good assulter like isshin the i will have to use starrk for a while ( or more exactly good assulter with 10 initial fury so i can t1 him easily with those coupons as i will only need 21 basic fury stones and with the rest of coupons i can start getting R.ikkaku depending on your answers or votes but thats another story and completely depends upon UBP)

Answers Plz...

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-7-24 12:08:41

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author: erazor123 time: 2016-7-24 15:28:48

Edited by erazor123 at 2016-7-24 15:32

Are you sure R.Ikkaku skill's 75% block rate breaks the cap ?
Cuz the usual skills which give block, dodge or crit etc.. don't get over the 90% cap (by exemple, cute orihime's skill doesn't break the cap)
The difference between the 2 will be in the mods and evolutions

author: Tinoma time: 2016-7-24 23:44:56

just put a little love into a nigga and even a free player will do goodish

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author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 02:39:22

erazor123 replied at 2016-7-25 01:28
Are you sure R.Ikkaku skill's 75% block rate breaks the cap ?
Cuz the usual skills which give block, ...

he breaks the cap with his mods. as much as i know if the cap is unlocked through mod then he can get more than 90% .... or am i a dickhead? Plz explain senpai. xD

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 02:43:20

Tinoma replied at 2016-7-25 09:44
just put a little love into a nigga and even a free player will do goodish

I didnt meant that starrk cant block.. but a block rate like that can be easily overcome with only lv 8-9 stones of break defence.. some get it through mods.. its easy now to get 100 or above break defence ( if the cap is unlocked) but 220-230% block rate is impossible to overcome tho.. you can clearly see the difference b/w 87% and 220-230 % .. i am also not saying that block rate is the only thing important for God Van.. but still it is important cuz you cant just rely on a skill per round if only your van is the only one remaining in your team..

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 02:48:01

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-7-24 22:08
so you spending now cause you would need 30 days 1 buy per day while satrrrk is almost instant and ...

Agreed on point one... its a waste of coupons... but what makes you think that i should compare these two instead of someone else replacing ikkaku?. i think he is worth his price.( well, not that much but still) but the fact that starrk is completely free is what gives him edge on r.ikkaku..

You already know.. i am f2p and even if i could get shinso.. i cant make him any better cuz of senbon..

i, personally, dont thing van needs speed a.k.a agility .. it might be good but i just dont feel its good.. as for strength and wisdom , my current van got the highest lv of stones on him right now

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-7-25 03:09:36

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author: Gensei_chan time: 2016-7-25 03:26:34

not comparing stats and skills - or exclusive skills - (i won't say again my opinion on assaulter Starrk :p)

by his mod, VG Ikkaku can reach... 98% max block, but never 200% (unless his evo is giving 102% more... but i doubt it

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same goes for all having this kind of "overpass 90% cap" mod (block, counter, dodge, crit or break)

still i believe it's a waste of coupons to get something from the Alliance Shop.
imo, better spend these coups into stones only, these will provide better benefits to the all team and in long term.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-7-25 04:31:06

Cba to read your post

all I saw was a stooped poll

who tf thinks Ikkaku can even be a choice when you already have Starrk there?

author: erazor123 time: 2016-7-25 05:23:51

Edited by erazor123 at 2016-7-25 05:30

Mods don't "break" the cap it just extends it
By example a +12% block rate over 90% mod will not break the cap, u can just have 90% block max and the 12% from the modify which makes 102.
So R.Ikkaku's skill is bad unless you don't play with block rates stones
His only utility is to die and deal the 200% damage..

His max block rate is 110.4% block, his max dodge rate is 109.5%
Starrk's max block rate is 96.05% and dodge is 94.5%

author: Suzuken time: 2016-7-25 05:37:10

Ryumon is even more squishy than starrk.
Don't even think about it. wait for Visord and buy lvl 4 stone packs.
Don't listen to any of the stupid shit some other guys say.

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 06:17:10

erazor123 replied at 2016-7-25 15:23
Mods don't "break" the cap it just extends it
By example a +12% block rate over 90% mod will not bre ...

i dont think skills are also included in cap lol... if thats the case then how can people get 150+ crit rate if 90 is the cap then?

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 06:19:38

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-7-25 14:31
Cba to read your post

all I saw was a stooped poll

looks like i am a hardcore writer.. cuz the only thng i am doing in these forums is ... writing essays thats all..

long story short.. your answer is starrk .. i shouldnt have invited you to this forum anyway

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 06:22:33

Suzuken replied at 2016-7-25 15:37
Ryumon is even more squishy than starrk.
Don't even think about it. wait for Visord and buy lvl 4 st ...

Already thought about it.. he is gonna be tough to build.. but thats the same thing.. people said dont get visord.. he's shit? i got him and i was and am pretty happy getting him before and after getting senbon..

so question about being squishy still remains the same,

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 06:29:43

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-7-25 13:09
well I don't think anyone can get 220 block rate atm

but aside from that you could just run god ...

i dont understand shit about cap... does it mean block rate from only spirit stones are capped at 90 or the total( in this case his skill included) is capped at 90.. i dont think mods, evo, skill, initial block, , break defence, dodge are included in cap.. if thats the case then he still gets 190 % block rate..

90 from stone ,8 from mods , 75 from skill , 14 from evo, 1.5 initially =188.5

or if its all included then it means even ryuken has only 90 % dodge rate ...

author: erazor123 time: 2016-7-25 07:12:43

Edited by erazor123 at 2016-7-25 07:13

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 06:29
i dont understand shit about cap... does it mean block rate from only spirit stones are capped at ...

ehh no : 90% max from stones+items+initially+skill
14 from evo
then 8 from mods, that's all
that's why he sucks

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-7-25 07:35:01

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 11:19
looks like i am a hardcore writer.. cuz the only thng i am doing in these forums is ... writing es ...

Every VG < Starrk

author: Dotiie time: 2016-7-25 07:37:26

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-7-25 12:35
Every VG < Starrk

Ganju > every char

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 09:00:32

erazor123 replied at 2016-7-25 17:12
ehh no : 90% max from stones+items+initially+skill
14 from evo
then 8 from mods, that's all

Just to make this clear.. i asked rythen about ryuken about his mods and some shit like that .. you can even check his comment in the link http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Ryuken_Ishida in comment section

s/he said..."I can't tell you for sure, but it would be stupid if he can't break the limit with mods. 90% from stones, 30% from skill, 20.65% from evo, 60% from mods = 200.65% dodge which means you would need 300,65% hitrate to never miss him"

so that means 90 from stones and items initial as well... 30 from SKILL( just highlighted it.. as according to him/her it is not considered a cap..) 60 % mods...and 20 from evo.... . this means that he might be something near 190% adding his skill .. mod and evo as well ?

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 09:19:09

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-7-25 17:35
Every VG < Starrk

ahhhhh ?? ganju?

author: erazor123 time: 2016-7-25 09:27:47

Edited by erazor123 at 2016-7-25 09:29

ryuken isn't ikkaku
Moderator told me 'some skill break the 90% cap and some don't"

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-7-25 09:42:34

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author: moongoatie time: 2016-7-25 09:54:20

I voted for Starrky, cause he cleared my HMA and I love him on my f2p. But you could get out of meta and try Ryuumun, should be fun

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 09:55:30

erazor123 replied at 2016-7-25 19:27
ryuken isn't ikkaku
Moderator told me 'some skill break the 90% cap and some don't"

WTF xD? Some do and some dont... this isnt true lol.. its either completely true or its not true

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 09:56:26

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-7-25 19:42
ill go with this for now its no way to tell unless someone has him and someone has a partner with ...

btw does anyone even has him lol?

and agreed it will even rise more questions

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-7-25 09:58:20

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author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 10:01:46

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-7-25 19:58
I know a guy who has him but I doubt he would be willing to mod him

maybe he could power him up ...

Sick.. i mean shit.. why did he got him in the first place then

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 10:03:07

moongoatie replied at 2016-7-25 19:54
I voted for Starrky, cause he cleared my HMA and I love him on my f2p. But you could get out of meta ...

First person to have half vote on one side..

... even half would work

JK... well this game isnt just for trying tho.. one mistake and i'm dead

author: erazor123 time: 2016-7-25 10:03:08

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 09:56
btw does anyone even has him lol?

and agreed it will even rise more questions

One thing is sure, cute orihime's block bonus doesn't break the 90 cap so if it's full true or not then it would be : skills don't break cap

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 10:07:06

erazor123 replied at 2016-7-25 20:03
One thing is sure, cute orihime's block bonus doesn't break the 90 cap so if it's full true or not ...

Its still not confirmed dude... so its hard to tell whether skills surpass 90 or they dont... plus i think there shouldn't be a cap on skills to begin with cuz if there was a cap then starrk's new ex. skill and a lot more like these has no meaning to begin with..

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-7-25 10:30:28

Dotiie replied at 2016-7-25 12:37
Ganju > every char

this is why you sook

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-7-25 10:30:55

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 14:19
ahhhhh ?? ganju?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-25 10:55:40

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-7-25 20:30
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Page 1 ... first post

read it

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-7-25 11:24:49

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 15:55
Page 1 ... first post read it

NEVERR

author: Tinoma time: 2016-7-25 11:27:46

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 02:43
I didnt meant that starrk cant block.. but a block rate like that can be easily overcome with only ...

I understand where you're coming from but if you for are to fight a player who has the power to counter your block with such high break defense stones .... chances are you won't win that fight to begin with...my coyote has well over 100% block after he skills and even more with cute orihime

author: Tinoma time: 2016-7-25 11:30:56

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-7-25 04:31
Cba to read your post

all I saw was a stooped poll

what he said <3

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-25 11:42:53

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-7-25 04:31
Cba to read your post

all I saw was a stooped poll

lol i have never seen some one actually use r.ikkaku as a vanguard just as a stepping stone to gin

author: Dotiie time: 2016-7-25 11:54:55

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-25 16:42
lol i have never seen some one actually use r.ikkaku as a vanguard just as a stepping stone to gin ...

I have a dude in my server that uses kinda and sometimes switch to r.ikkaku

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-25 12:00:04

Dotiie replied at 2016-7-25 11:54
I have a dude in my server that uses kinda and sometimes switch to r.ikkaku

# R.i.p. That dude

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-25 12:31:43

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 06:17
i dont think skills are also included in cap lol... if thats the case then how can people get 150+ ...

through mods, evo, stones, and bond, my B Renji has roughly 143% crit outside of battle, and he has room to grow that stat too

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-25 12:45:39

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-25 12:31
through mods, evo, stones, and bond, my B Renji has roughly 143% crit outside of battle, and he ha ...

look who finally shows up

[attach]15945[/attach] by the way fuck you for being before my 3rd espada

author: Dotiie time: 2016-7-25 14:45:13

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-25 17:00
# R.i.p. That dude

he was pretty strong, he even gave me troubles, back when i was a mid vip (vip 5, he was vip 6 back then)

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-25 15:10:41

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-25 12:45
look who finally shows up

by the way fuck you for being before my 3rd espada

yeah, fairly grizzly IMO, lol

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-25 15:47:42

Dotiie replied at 2016-7-25 14:45
he was pretty strong, he even gave me troubles, back when i was a mid vip (vip 5, he was vip 6 bac ...

lol I died after his b rukia skilled

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-25 15:48:01

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-25 15:10
yeah, fairly grizzly IMO, lol

#R.i.p. me

author: erazor123 time: 2016-7-25 16:01:05

Anyway, the thread should be on Starrk+30k coupons vs R.Ikkaku xD
you should definitely take starrk

author: tytheboy time: 2016-7-26 02:36:04

Gensei_chan replied at 2016-7-25 03:26
not comparing stats and skills - or exclusive skills - (i won't say again my opinion on assaulter St ...

from that shop the only thing actuallt worthwil is shinso nd he is expensive as shit so i doubt any f2p will get him soon

its this f2p friesn in my server tho hes gor over 100 of the requirerd recruitment proofs

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-26 02:49:41

Tinoma replied at 2016-7-25 21:27
I understand where you're coming from but if you for are to fight a player who has the power ...

nowadays getting 90+ break defence is not that hard considering the fact that every one has yama who has 25% break defence mod + evo as well..

i and erazor are trying to figure out if skill is capped at 90 as well or not... if it isnt then getting 180+ block on R.Ikkaku is easy ... means he will have a better chance of blocking then any other partner..

every partner has a speciality if you thing about it... B.Renji=crit and crit damage.. Ryuken=dodge
Isshin = combo

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-26 02:52:04

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-25 21:42
lol i have never seen some one actually use r.ikkaku as a vanguard just as a stepping stone to gin ...

First you need 46000+ coupons for him... a.k.a impossible for someone like me ... another thing who, with senbon, would waste so many coupons just to get a useless partner.. in my case not everyone

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-26 02:54:09

tytheboy replied at 2016-7-26 12:36
from that shop the only thing actuallt worthwil is shinso nd he is expensive as shit so i doubt an ...

first thing .. i use senbon so no shinso.. second..people get r.ikkaku to get shinso from legend gallery lol... who would use 16k+ more coupons lol

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-26 02:54:55

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-26 02:52
First you need 46000+ coupons for him... a.k.a impossible for someone like me ... another thing wh ...

lol he is very shitty especially for his price

author: tytheboy time: 2016-7-26 03:06:44

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-26 02:54
first thing .. i use senbon so no shinso.. second..people get r.ikkaku to get shinso from legend g ...

vip 0 just as you and me thats why

worth mentioning i dont see the amazing ligic in it either

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-26 03:10:40

tytheboy replied at 2016-7-26 13:06
vip 0 just as you and me thats why

worth mentioning i dont see the amazing ligic in it either

SameThing.... I Wont use So many coupons just for him

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-26 03:24:19

tytheboy replied at 2016-7-26 13:06
vip 0 just as you and me thats why

worth mentioning i dont see the amazing ligic in it either

SameThing.... I Wont use So many coupons just for him

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-26 15:15:38

erazor123 replied at 2016-7-25 16:01
Anyway, the thread should be on Starrk+30k coupons vs R.Ikkaku xD
you should definitely take starrk

spend the 30k coupons on stones for Starrk... ooo that's a nice thought there...

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-26 23:14:33

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-27 01:15
spend the 30k coupons on stones for Starrk... ooo that's a nice thought there...

So what you mean is that i should get starrk and use all of my coupons for lv 4 packs even tho you know the only way to t1 for is is through true t1?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-26 23:21:49

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-26 23:14
So what you mean is that i should get starrk and use all of my coupons for lv 4 packs even tho you ...

T1 is such a game changer i'd put tavern Kiuske in the back row, but even without him, T1 is possible for f2p with diligence. If T1 is nowhere in your sights ever, get level 3 stone packs, but with Starrk, the extra stones should push him closer to the point where only red vangs have a chance of standing against him.

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 00:24:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-27 09:21
T1 is such a game changer i'd put tavern Kiuske in the back row, but even without him, T1 is possi ...

Agreed t1 is a game changer... even if it is for one partner .... but i have no chance of a supp t1 since i run senbon so they ain't gonna be fast enough... as for starrk.. i think thats the only chance i have left that is if the next UBP is shit....

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-27 00:35:13

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-27 00:24
Agreed t1 is a game changer... even if it is for one partner .... but i have no chance of a supp t ...

Kiuske with Senbon... ugh, that sucks yeah, no chance to outspeed anyone that matters with that combo... yeah, level 3 stone packs, Starrk, and your best set of equipment on him...

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:01:42

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-27 00:35
Kiuske with Senbon... ugh, that sucks yeah, no chance to outspeed anyone that matters with tha ...

ive seen quite a few t1 kisukes with senbon but that slows down the whole assaulter and other support line trying to make kisuke faster
I also have senbon and I'm not gonna use the t1 kisuke method although I would only pure t1 anyways because slowing a partner down to make kisuke faster in my eyes is stupid because to win you need a fast t1 person because later in game others will have t1s

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 01:07:32

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-27 10:35
Kiuske with Senbon... ugh, that sucks yeah, no chance to outspeed anyone that matters with tha ...

.. is it necessary to get lv 3 packs? i mean i can make t1 yama after 1-year sign in reward using coupons
i need 41 basic fury stones and i can get 34 from sign in reward.. so i only need 7 more basic fury stones...

plus another problem with starrk.., yama does lacration ? what about that?

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:11:47

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-27 01:07
.. is it necessary to get lv 3 packs? i mean i can make t1 yama after 1-year sign in reward using c ...

lol don't you need like 64 basics just to get 4 of the 16% stones if my math is correct 64 basics which are 8% fuse into 32 primaries which give 10% then 16 12%s then 8 14%s and then 4 16% and I believe you need 4 16%s and 2 18%s for a pure t1

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 01:16:54

Yama gets 5 fury from Evo

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:20:16

kiyru13 replied at 2016-7-27 01:16
Yama gets 5 fury from Evo

I know I have yama but he has been saving vit so I don't think hed be at lv 10 evo

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 01:20:44

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 11:11
lol don't you need like 64 basics just to get 4 of the 16% stones if my math is correct 64 basics w ...

Yep You are right... but you forgot something... 4 from enchant and 5 from evo.. that means i need 41 more fury and easiest way to think about fury stones is there level.. e.g basic fury stone is a lv 4 fury stone( dont know.. just said it because it comes in a lv 4 pack)so it will give 4 fury... a lv 5 fury stone( Primary fury stone) will give 5 fury and so on .. so every lv up of fury stone will give 1 more fury...

now as i already said yama only needs 41 more fury so 5 lv 7 fury stone ( Dont know its name.. i think its Advanced fury stone) and 1 lv 6 fury stone( intermediate fury stone) .. in easy words 5*7=35 and 6*1=6

35+6=41+5 from evo and 4 from enchant..

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 01:21:54

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 11:20
I know I have yama but he has been saving vit so I don't think hed be at lv 10 evo

He get it in lv 9 evo.. i am at 7.5 lv evo

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:24:23

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-27 01:21
He get it in lv 9 evo.. i am at 7.5 lv evo

ah I see that makes sense I'm trying to get the t1 with out the enchant because I have the crit damage enchant on his weapon but if I must I will when the time comes and guess what I'm on his lv 11 evo and oh god its fucking hell you need fucking 80 sanrei gloves 20 ginrei frags and a whole bunch of other shit tha neve fucking shows up in the guild shop

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 01:28:20

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 01:24
ah I see that makes sense I'm trying to get the t1 with out the enchant because I have the crit dam ...

Im going through the same thing with my Brenji 50 Ultimate Robe, 60 Sanrei Glove, 60 Grimmjow's Claw, 40 Executive Militia Set, 40 Ginreigojiaku(gold), 20 Tosen's Scarf, 30 Ginreigojiaku(Purple), 20 Bakkoto, 10 Renji's Headband, 10 11th Division Belt, 10 Gambler's Fist, 10 11th Division Headband, 2 Modified Soul

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 01:31:50

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 11:24
ah I see that makes sense I'm trying to get the t1 with out the enchant because I have the crit dam ...

Yeah.. its sucks vit soo hard.. per battle 20-30 vit lol .. if i try to use vit on him i will have 0 vit tomorrow

yep that 20% crit damage is really great but he only gets 5 fury from his evo.. so you have to do it.. plus that just for that 4 fury you have to use 24-32 basic fury stones so fck that... if i had someone like isshin who can get 10 initial fury .. i would like to give him 20% crit damage but if i am not mistaken yama gets it in mods too right?

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 01:33:42

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 11:01
ive seen quite a few t1 kisukes with senbon but that slows down the whole assaulter and other supp ...

Well if you t1 your team... then i dont think you need speed unless you cant kill enemy in first round that is...
plus with that 25% speed buff its so hard even if you try to make them slower

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:35:53

kiyru13 replied at 2016-7-27 01:28
Im going through the same thing with my Brenji 50 Ultimate Robe, 60 Sanrei Glove, 60 Grimmjow's Cl ...

lol yeah the struggles real

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 01:38:07

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 01:35
lol yeah the struggles real

My Isshin is even more insane needing 100 sanrei frags. Just not cool at all.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:39:06

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-27 01:31
Yeah.. its sucks vit soo hard.. per battle 20-30 vit lol .. if i try to use vit on him i will have ...

he gets 25% in mod but I'm still a mod and a half away from that and trust me itll take me a shittingly long time
like right now I need 800 for his 4th mod which by the way I totally fucking useless because it gives vanguard speed which is the most retarded thing I can think of and I only have 470/800 and the next one will be even more probably like 1100 or something around that so that's gonna be along time til then

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 01:39:53

kiyru13 replied at 2016-7-27 01:38
My Isshin is even more insane needing 100 sanrei frags. Just not cool at all.

yep event partners evos are crazy to do I only have to deal with one since yamas my only one

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 01:45:52

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 01:39
yep event partners evos are crazy to do I only have to deal with one since yamas my only one

Yeah they are and i pretty much need to double what it takes for my senju because i also have hiki and their evo is the exact same thing

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-27 01:51:50

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 11:39
yep event partners evos are crazy to do I only have to deal with one since yamas my only one

Looks like there is some benefit of being f2p

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 02:29:42

kiyru13 replied at 2016-7-27 01:45
Yeah they are and i pretty much need to double what it takes for my senju because i also have hiki ...

oh a quick favor can you tell me how much speed hiki gets from evo the person in 4th right behind me in arena just got a hiki like 3 weeks ago and id like to know how much shell get added to what she has now I know that his is already at lv6 evo

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 02:30:41

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-27 01:51
Looks like there is some benefit of being f2p

indeed their is lol I'm hoping by the time I get another yama will be done but that just depends on who comes in ubp. when will they come in ubp and lastly if it isn't shit

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 02:41:35

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 02:29
oh a quick favor can you tell me how much speed hiki gets from evo the person in 4th right behind ...

at lvl 7 evo she gets about 5600 speed but at full 11 evo she gets 15300

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 02:51:10

kiyru13 replied at 2016-7-27 02:41
at lvl 7 evo she gets about 5600 speed but at full 11 evo she gets 15300

ah I see so about 10k more thanks ill have to watch out for that

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 02:57:32

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 02:51
ah I see so about 10k more thanks ill have to watch out for that

Yeah though if the person has senju then youll have to watch out more for senju's speed cause she has a bond with hiki that gives her speed

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 03:52:13

kiyru13 replied at 2016-7-27 02:57
Yeah though if the person has senju then youll have to watch out more for senju's speed cause she ...

this person only has hiki for now lol

author: kiyru13 time: 2016-7-27 03:53:05

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-7-27 03:52
this person only has hiki for now lol

Thats good.

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-7-27 17:48:09

Edited by ShadowConsortium at 2016-7-27 20:03

For me the answer is simple. Everyone, their mother, their father, brother (ok you should get what I'm saying) uses Stark. Just to be different then others which you will be following suit behind me..I pick Ryumon Ikkaku. Will players on here and your server think why the fuck? Probably but if you build it right, have the resources and couple him with his zanpakuto, he really isn't too bad. Ryumon according to the wiki can reach up to 110.4% base block at max evolution (don't know if the skill breaks that cap). His Zanpakuto gives him a heal at phase 2 for PvP based on his attack which would be like a mini Noza. Not bad for the cost IMO.

I for one will be using him since I can't go the required VIP for Noza + Hyorinmaru for PvE, but I'm also getting Shinso Gin from Legend Gallery so the choice is pretty clear for me. I have Hollowed Ichigo, Stark (work in progress) also so, I'm not knocking any.

Also, to the person saying it's 30 days to buy him. It was changed, not sure if it's just my prestige / honor amount that allows it but I will add the photo so you can see, you could buy him at all once if you choose to.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-27 18:11:41

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-27 01:07
.. is it necessary to get lv 3 packs? i mean i can make t1 yama after 1-year sign in reward using c ...

If you are stacking up a T1 Yama, skip both these vangs no question. Starrk is only worth wild if you give him your best of your best (level 10 stones +, ultimate gear, best mod soul, ect). A Stacked up Yama will get you through more fights TBH as assaulters are MUCH easier to speed up than Vangs. I'd stick with a Koma, Nnorialta, H Ichi, or even HMA Kenpachi as you will want your vang to absorb damage and possibly deal some status and damage too, as your Yama fucks their mother from behind. If you can reasonably get T1, get the level 4 packs, if not, go with level 3 ones. If you stack up a T1 Yama, avoid Starrk. If you CAN get a T1 Yama, abandon everyone else and combine stones, fortify stuff, sell your kidney if you must, but make him as strong and fast as you possible can, even if you have to drop everyone else's BP to a combined 20k in the process.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-27 18:13:22

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-27 18:11
If you are stacking up a T1 Yama, skip both these vangs no question. Starrk is only worth wild if ...

lol I switched from my koma to H.ichigo today and I went down 50k bp
#H.ichigo sucks
#Koma 4ever

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-28 00:31:09

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-28 04:11
If you are stacking up a T1 Yama, skip both these vangs no question. Starrk is only worth wild if ...

1st... You burnt me when you said HMA Kenny...

fun fact.. i am f2p

second my shinji is pretty good at the moment in both attack and taking damage and reversing it...
As for t1 yama... i think he is gonna take a while even after getting 18888 coupons cuz i will need more fury stones then these coupons can give me... thats why i want someone like isshin who can get 10 initial fury from evo and can be easily made t1...

ofc i am going to make yama really hard if he's t1 lol thats not even a question
another question: right now on my van i have , Strength , wisdom , stamina, counter, block, dodge stones and i socketed equip to give him 2 lv 8 hit stones...

so now i am going to reach lv 100 fast and i got the 2 pieces of lv 100 eq ready and only one of 'em is socketed... so i hit rate stone is gonna fit there and i am going to remove dodge stones since everyone in our server got a pretty got hit rate ( except van.. my rival right now has 115.5 % hit rate on his/her shinji) and one dodge stone is gonna be replaced on hit rate.. other 5 for break defence .. as much as i know starrk needs crit rate as well considering the fact that he gets 20.95% from his evo... so where shall i put them?

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-28 00:35:44

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-7-28 03:48
For me the answer is simple. Everyone, their mother, their father, brother (ok you should get what I ...

thats the only problem... does the skill breaks cap? or it doesnt.. if it doesnt then he's pretty amazing at block... and building him is going to be squishy but if i pull this off then i think its going to be awesome...
as for the zan goes.. i already use senbon so i dont think i will change my zan tbh...

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-28 12:15:05

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2016-7-28 12:16

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-28 00:31
1st... You burnt me when you said HMA Kenny...

fun fact.. i am f2p

Okay,  a few guide lines I follow
200% hit rate is your sweet spot for 98% of fights, focus most on your damage dealers and CC
Crit rate, fury builders get first dibs, then damage dealers
Counter stones are nice on a vang
Wisdom...  kido damage dealers (Jushiro, Kido main, ect) get first dibs, then your Vang if you have extra slots open.  Partners like Yourichi, Harribel, Gin, and Aizen who you use mostly for CC really don't get a great boost from them as you don't use them for damage as much as you do for the stun
Block, I like to have high block on vang, and as much as i can on assaulters as that helps in PVE as well
It's no secret that I find Dodge stones to be fairly useless on most partners in most builds, but if you have open slots to fill, and nothing to go in them, dodge is better than an empty slot
Break Defense i put on Damage dealers first, then on my more frail partners so they don't get countered as often and therefore live longer

as for socketing equipment... IMO you have wasted a lot of socket stones.  your 100 ultimate set you get will last you till level 125ish, so that's a good set to start to socket.

author: kosmik time: 2016-7-28 13:59:32

Edited by kosmik at 2016-7-28 14:01

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-25 02:39
he breaks the cap with his mods. as much as i know if the cap is unlocked through mod then he can ...

Cap with mods is still cap. IE: 90% with a 12% mod = 102% and you aren't going over that (without bonds). No, didn't read all the posts either, so prolly late on that one. Secondly, block rate makes a god van, even he's stunned still blocking for 1.5m or so, make up for missing attacks imo.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-7-28 14:19:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-27 18:11
If you are stacking up a T1 Yama, skip both these vangs no question. Starrk is only worth wild if ...

#Yes please tell him
#T1 yama gets all the shit

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-29 02:54:31

kosmik replied at 2016-7-28 23:59
Cap with mods is still cap. IE: 90% with a 12% mod = 102% and you aren't going over that (withou ...

What about evo? is it also capped? and the question is about skill if it is capped or not.. i think i am getting a hang of this capped thingy

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-29 03:08:20

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-7-28 22:15
Okay, a few guide lines I follow
200% hit rate is your sweet spot for 98% of fights, focus most on ...

ok.. question about a god van... i made a panel on how should i put stones of different quality on starrk.. i ended up with 4 counter stones.4 crit stones and 3 break defence stones , with one hit rate among non-socket equip and one in socket equip(Strength, Wisdom,stamina,Block are completely unmoved since they are most important).lets say i got 2 hit stones of lv 9.. then my vans final hit rate will be 173%.. is that enough?

author: ShadowConsortium time: 2016-7-29 09:57:04

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-29 02:54
What about evo? is it also capped? and the question is about skill if it is capped or not.. i thin ...

Mods, Evolution and I believe Bonds break the cap / add onto it. Like I said Ryumon Ikkaku's max block is 110.4%. Which honestly puts him just a little bit under Hollowed Ichigo in Blocking. Noza. Kenpachi max being 122.25% if I'm not mistaken. Can also bond Ryumon Ikkaku with White Ichigo if you eventually save up for 12% chance to stun when attacked.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-7-29 11:27:34

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-29 03:08
ok.. question about a god van... i made a panel on how should i put stones of different quality on ...

How much is enough is a tough question for me to answer. The simple answer is no, it is not. BUT, depending on what your stones look like, the rest of your party, future plans, and many other variables, that may well be good for now... but truthfully you will want 200% at least, 225% if you face many well built Yachiros. True that most people don't dodge, but if you can't hit someone, you can't build fury, and you can't skill, so your partner becomes a damage sponge, which neither Starrk, nor Shinji excels at.

author: kosmik time: 2016-7-29 12:14:26

Edited by kosmik at 2016-7-29 12:17

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-7-29 02:54
What about evo? is it also capped? and the question is about skill if it is capped or not.. i thin ...

they add to the cap, cap is never broken though. So, maths some more - 90% base, 10% 5% off evo, 10% off bonds, 115% cap. Doesn't matter what you do after that point your not going over 110 till you increase your cap again, bond would be the only way after evo/mods.

Side note - my supports all have 92-94% dodge - hit over 220% (just in general) and your not missing, under 190%, good chance you just might if someone stacked out dodge (since supps can take a hit like a wet paper bag; it really has saved my ass a few times)

author: Suzuken time: 2016-7-29 12:26:07

By the time this discussion is over the guy will already hit 110 and get hollow ichigo that replace both those cunts....

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author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-7-30 03:31:15

Suzuken replied at 2016-7-29 22:26
By the time this discussion is over the guy will already hit 110 and get hollow ichigo that replace ...

Lol.. i am f2p and Plus no ryoka.. i level up like in half a month so.. i still have time.. Dont wanna make mistakes.

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