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author: ajoalex    time: 2014-10-29 01:43:16     Title: Expert Opinions required. Shinji VG

Edited by ajoalex at 2014-10-29 11:04

Ok so the only thing that i have been seeing is that Sajin is the most tankiest and Shinji needs high level stones and shinji has a deficiency with zanpaktous. I would like some detailed explanation on this, especially those who have used him

I am now lvl 64, will get kazeshini next level. And when i reach lvl 70, i will be getting tengen too.  Hence I will have both the zanpaktous ready.

Some questions
1)I have maxed out lvl 5 STR, lvl 6 STA,DOD,BLOCK,COUNTER on my current VG(chad). Is this enough for Shinji to stay alive for atleast 4 rounds till I reach lvl 90 provided I am fighting against similar level opponents? (i can provide lvl 4 BREAK to him too as I have a slot free in 6 equipments)
2)The zanpaktou effect deduction on shinji, could someone explain with an example? And how does this not affect Sajin?
3)Which zanpaktou is best to go with shinji (i like the attack on everyone skill that he has). If i take him then i will have shinji,ichigo,momo whose first attempt skill shot would hit assaulters. I like the fact that shinji would deal damage to the supporters too.
4)Will shinji deal more damage than my ichigo if equipped with the same set of stones that ichigo is using now, basically is shinji's base values better than ichigo?
5)Whats the ideal max level that sajin and shinji would be able to be with the team ?

thanks




author: Brahmastra    time: 2014-10-29 02:00:56

Let me just say this:
Shinji is an upgraded version of chad with a extra damage. He's great for PVE and could be useful in PVP if the round actually lasts that long.

Sajin is on another level of defense and the best choice for F2P players since he requires less stones to be even more tanky.

2. Affects all VGs.
3. Keep using kazeshini since that's pretty much the best zanpakuto in the game. You can get zangetsu but even then your chars will still get a deduction in attack (Assaulters).
4. Probably I'm not sure.
5. Any? Since you replace a character with higher value than your current VG.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 02:33:32

1) Those stones are not high enough for an offensive VG like Shinji, Starrk, or Ichigo. At those low level they are better on Sajin, as he is tankier and can survive. You also have to drop a defensive stone set for an offensive VG. For me, I had to basically cut my 6 dodge stones down to 2, a lvl 10 and a lvl 9, and add 4 lvl 6 hit stones. You may want to also add 6 agility stones, as you want an offensive VG to use his fury atk as early as possible, or they are practically useless. For me to add mine, I had to drop the 6 wisdom stones which dropped his strat defense which hurt me in PvE like trial and palace, but not to the point I couldn't complete say, all of Espada 1 map. You got to make a lot of sacrafices on an offensive vg.

Also the best free zan is indeed Tengen, for an offensive VG, but it's hard to justify using it over Kazeshini unless your offensive VG is a HIGHLY high level stoned Starrk or Ichigo, or Toshiro. I don't believe it's worth losing the benefits to your main and support it gives. The current go to build by all the strong people on CN atm, seems to be Hyroinmaru as a Zan, and a highly stacked (lvl 12 stones) VG like Starrk who hits everyone, heals himself, and takes very little damage. Or a Demon Ichigo who hits everyone and has massive stats/defense.

2) It does effect Sajin, but not as much as an offensive damage based VG. Sajin is not going to solo a enemy team if he is last alive, he might be hard as hell to kill, but his damage is crap, and his fury ability does nothing to enhance the group or his offensive fire power, all it does it make it harder to kill him. It cuts overall damage rate, but some of the offensive VG's have innate Damage Increase (Toshiro's is 10%). Normal Damage rate is 100%, Sajin's goes to like 60 or 70%, I haven't used him since lvl 100. My Toshiro's with Kazeshini and his gear, is 90 or 95% Damage rate, meaning he's only losing 5% of his normal damage. Having high damage rate is very important on a offensive VG.

3) If you want him to be your main form of damage, or just want him to do decent damage, then Tengen. This means you need even higher stones on main and other partners to make them pick of the slack they lose not having Kazeshini.

4) Shinji's stats and growth rate is MUCH much higher than Ichigo's, and yes he'd probably do more damage with Tengen zan. After his fury atk he does a lot more damage. Especially if you put crit on him ect.

5) Well the obviously need to be within 5-10 levels of your main. When I hit 100 and got starrk, my Sajin was level 94. When I dropped Starrk for Toshiro, my main was level 104 or 105. Starrk was 102. Right now, I'm fixing to hit 110, maybe tomorrow, and my Toshiro is 107. At 110 I'll get Masked Ichigo who starts at 105, and I'll probably use him.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 02:36:47

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-29 01:47
Brahmastra replied at 2014-10-29 01:00
Let me just say this:
Shinji is an upgraded version of chad with a extra damage. He's great for PVE  ...

From my personal experience, Shinji is great for PvP in either way, even with Kazeshini, a decently stoned Shinji will hit on second turn for about 15~20k the whole enemy team (except vanguard and Ghost blade main with highly upgraded gear) , which is no joke damage coming from a vanguard in PvP in the lv70~90 range, especially if your 10th skill is not enough to one-shot the enemy team.
The problem is tho, that he will just melt in PvP in like two rounds, and if you can't kill them first with your main+shinji, you lose.

Remember, you aren't trying to make your vanguard do the same damage as your assaulters or main, he just helps a bit damage wise.
And those stones are plenty enough to make a decent Shinji, disregard the mod, for people like him, if it isn't lv9 stones, its not enough.

About your Shinji/Ichigo question, Shinji will deal less damage than Ichigo with the same stones, but it'll be pretty close actually, and shinji will end up doing more damage than Ichigo if you give him a Van zanpakuto.

And the stones you mentioned are enough for PvP, but for PvE , trials and espada, Shinji will probably be pretty lackluster compared to Sajin.
author: ajoalex    time: 2014-10-29 02:42:26

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 11:33
1) Those stones are not high enough for an offensive VG like Shinji, Starrk, or Ichigo. At those low ...

now that makes sense and by far the apt explanation I have got for this. thanks man. looks like if i get shinji i have to have stones for him just like i would if i had a 3rd assaulter. and since i won't be doing any top up for a month, i think there wouldn't be a point in keeping shinji as my 3rd best assaulter. (my main n momo are my top damage ppl).

i just saw kazeshini's overall stats, that would boost my supporter's attack too (i have rukia with 50% crit)

my current VG chad is a beefy tank, he stays till the end, at times its just him and momo. since he cant attack i use the block so that atleast some attack is being released.

from your explanation looks like i will go with sajin since i am devoid of the necessary Stones . i do have the shiba clan stamina treasure gold which i can give to sajin so that should give him more life.

thanks again, this made sense. i will go with the longest safe and best solution ie kazeshini with sajin. cleared all my doubts.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 02:48:37

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 01:36
From my personal experience, Shinji is great for PvP in either way, even with Kazeshini, a decently ...

Well maybe when you learn what you are talking about, people will listen. With a VG zan, free Ichigo will not do more damage than Shinji with same stones, especially after he uses his fury attack. I didn't say he needed level 9 stones, I said level 5 stones are still to low to be worth it over Sajin.

You are telling someone not to listen to me, when I clearly know what I'm talking about more than you. So for the love of god drop your stupid hate of me.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 02:51:02

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-29 01:57
[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 01:48
Well maybe when you learn what you are talking about, people will listen. With a VG zan, free Ichi ...

The only thing you know, is how to waste money on this game, most of your advice is not very optimal to be honest.
If you think that having Lv6 stones is not enough to be competitive in this game at this point, then you obviously never tried to climb the wall of mediocrity.

And learn to read.
Also its funny, because you don't know what you are talking about, you are judging people by your standarts, remember that not everyone can spend 10,000$ on this game to get the stones you have, and competing against other players who aren't top 3, does not require having Lv9 stones, so yeah, you have no idea.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 02:56:34

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-29 02:00
[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 01:57
I read it, you ninja edited your post.

You don't know anything truly, because you have no experi ...

And yeah i edited the post and added that if you use a zan van, then he will do more damage, but as i said, you have trouble reading.
And honestly, playing this game for several months amounts to having experience, and spending 10,000$ on the game - does not amount to experience, or the ability to tell someone that his opinion and experience is not viable comapred to yours, lulz.

Get off your high horse princess.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 02:57:43

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 01:51
The only thing you know, is how to waste money on this game, most of your advice is not very optima ...

I read it, you ninja edited your post.

You don't know anything truly, because you have no experience with it. All you know about is how to troll. My advice is truly optimal, that's why people listen. What would you know being a F2P or Low VIP, or the $55 you spent or whatever. Give it a break. Atleast do some research on what you are trying to talk about, and not just to argue or troll me or whatever it is you are doing. He asked a question, and as he said, I gave the best answer. Dunno if your pride or ego is hurt or w/e. But I'd drop the issue.

And stop editing your posts when you realize you was wrong, and then tell me to learn to read. Nobody is falling for that.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 02:59:22

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 01:57
I read it, you ninja edited your post.

You don't know anything truly, because you have no experi ...

By the way, i love your ego outbursts, every time i don't agree with you, you have to turn the thread into a drama, way to go drama queen.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 03:01:20

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 01:56
And yeah i edited the post and added that if you use a zan van, then he will do more damage, but as ...

Last warning Glasglow. Sick of your attitude and trolling. I'm fixen to end it.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 03:01:31

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-29 02:03
[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 02:02
Since you still like to ninja edit your posts, I didn't say it was bad to have low level stones, i ...
1) Those stones are not high enough for an offensive VG

Mhm, not optimal and not high enough, aren't exactly close in meaning.

Anyways, take a chill pill and deal with your anger and ego managment issues, the thread host will read and make conclusions for himself.

author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 03:02:25

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 01:51
The only thing you know, is how to waste money on this game, most of your advice is not very optima ...

Since you still like to ninja edit your posts, I didn't say it was bad to have low level stones, it's NOT optimal for his choices. having mid level stones is better on Sajin than Shinji. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are offering advice that's wrong, and would make him weaker.

NOBODY said lvl 9 stones was required, no shit most people can't get that. He asked what would be more optimal with the STONES HE HAS.

I'm getting really sick and tired of you trailing my posts, talking crap, making fun of, telling people not to listen to me, and just general trolling bullcrap. I said quit it. Atleast try to be helpful to people on these forums, I haven't seen you be legit helpful to anyone. You bash people who spent money, you bash people stronger than you, and that's all you know how to do.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 03:03:59

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 02:01
Mhm, not optimal and not high enough, aren't exactly close in meaning.

Anyways, take a chill pill ...

And as he said, I gave the best answer. As I said, your pissed someone didn't listen to your crappy advice in which you was wrong about.
author: KHONHAX    time: 2014-10-29 03:06:58

So much hate... But tbh almost everywhere I see Glasglow post, its negative so pfft.   OP already got his/her answer and was satisfied with Sakai's answer.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 03:08:32

KHONHAX replied at 2014-10-29 02:06
So much hate... But tbh almost everywhere I see Glasglow post, its negative so pfft.   OP already go ...

Yes, his posts are always full of negativity. Sorry for my outburst but I'm sick of his negativity towards VIP's, me, the game, and that he thinks he knows the best. He has his last warning though, I'm not dealing with it anymore.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 03:11:12

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 02:08
Yes, his posts are always full of negativity. Sorry for my outburst but I'm sick of his negativity ...

Adorable, the 14 year old can't take it anymore.

Look dude, you should really take a step back and read your own posts, before warning others, negativity is one thing, but you are just flat out being rude and offensive.

author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 03:15:30

Edited by Glasglow at 2014-10-29 02:17
[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 02:16
No I wasn't. You are the one who who told someone to ignore me because I didn't know what I was ta ...

Oh god, to think that i didn't learn , that arguing with you is always a utter waste of time.
Aight, i'm done here, have to take a shower and stuff.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 03:16:45

Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 02:11
Adorable, the 14 year old can't take it anymore.

Look dude, you should really take a step back and ...

No I wasn't. You are the one who who told someone to ignore me because I didn't know what I was talking about, you then proceed to give faulty advice, just to argue with me. Who's childish?
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 03:21:40

Sorry your thread got derailed by Glasglow. He won't be doing it again, I assure you. Anyways, good luck with using Sajin for now, sounds like the best choice as I said, for what you have available.
author: Glasglow    time: 2014-10-29 03:33:43

Also, i might have not been clear enough but after talking to Riku, i decide to empathize this one more time.

Shinji will struggle in PvE and Trials, the only good part about Shinji will be PvP, R6 stones will be plenty enough to make Shinji effective in PvP, but that is about the only thing he will be good at.

Otherwise you will need a lot more work, to make Shinji viable in Espada fights, hell even Komamura has trouble in espada fights beyond lv80 and i do not think i know anyone, who beat Espada 2 with Komamura either.
author: Brahmastra    time: 2014-10-29 04:00:59

well that escalated quickly
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-10-29 04:08:30

1- hyorinmaru i think best zanpukto for him cuz hit rait and hp and more dmg than other zanpukto
2-enchant him with after every action recover 3% hp so when he use his skill he will attack 5 player that mean he will recaver 15% hp from his hp
3- give him 2 sprit stine lvl 6 hit attack so you dont miss or get counter from lvl 100+ in king of hollow soul
the resolt you will have vangourd that do more dmg in all event's and he can tank
author: Evild4nte    time: 2014-10-29 04:40:35

Otherwise you will need a lot more work, to make Shinji viable in Espada fights, hell even Komamura has trouble in espada fights beyond lv80 and i do not think i know anyone, who beat Espada 2 with Komamura either.


I can´t imagine, that anyone got Nnoitra to beat Espada #2, so it should have been cleared by the most people with Komamura, since Stark is only available at level 100, at which level espada #2 should be easyer anyways.
I think its more depending on your level and the level of your stones. When the level is too low, higher stones are needed to compensate this. I dont that it is so important, which vanguard is used, coz they are not so much different, shinji has more def, lower hp and a bit less mdef. Their skill will maybe never be used in Espada #2 fight, coz the fight should be over b4 it, except u have some hitrate on your vanguard.



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