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author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 08:35:40 Title: Shura or Hakuteiken?(for F2P)

Edited by Asian123 at 2016-11-11 21:55

You can check out my team on my channel, then suggest what I should do.
I know if you haven't checked and thought much about it, that you'll vote Shura, but just check first then vote. Thanks.
Here's the link to my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1UgRwbwCrRqt7rsrmhy8ag
Be sure to like the video you watch and Subscribe.

Oh and by the way, do give your reasons as to why you chose either one.
Also keep in mind that if I get one of these, I can't afford to get the other in future. I can only Level ONE partner from 70-100 or 105 max... otherwise I'd lose my benefits from red partner update.

author: Miken97 time: 2016-11-11 09:07:45

Edited by Miken97 at 2016-11-11 15:09

Oh, let's be honest. You made this thread only to promote your channel right?

Watching your video only made me surer that you should go for shura. You already stacked yama so it will be hard now for hakuteiken to surpass him( unless you gonna top-up and inherit your yama) and give you some really great benefits. Plus you need rather good pve partner instead of pvp

. Just my opinion though, looks like there are people who see hakuteiken as better choice

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 09:13:26

Edited by Asian123 at 2016-11-11 19:17

Miken97 replied at 2016-11-11 19:07
Oh, let's be honest. You made this thread only to promote your channel right? Watching your video ...

I'm sure the combo he gives is worth considering. and oh yeah, the red tavern partner update should put uryuu near or on par with SHura

author: meat0020 time: 2016-11-11 09:19:04

shura for sure!

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 09:32:48

meat0020 replied at 2016-11-11 19:19
shura for sure!

you seen my video?
which one?
On what do you suggest Shura?

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 09:33:46

Miken97 replied at 2016-11-11 19:07
Oh, let's be honest. You made this thread only to promote your channel right? Watching your video ...

uryuu should have growth rates higher than shura, but don't know about base stats...

author: Miken97 time: 2016-11-11 09:37:00

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 15:13
I'm sure the combo he gives is worth considering. and oh yeah, the red tavern partner update should ...

Yeah, that combo looks nice but even so i doubt he will be able to compete with shura when it comes to pve. About uryu, when red tavern comes out he can be close to shura's in terms of damage but shura still has two big advantages. First is that he can make block more frequent. Second, and most important, is that he self recover 20 fury. With 2 fury boosters (for example urahara+cute orihime) and enough of critic stones you can make him skill every turn( and his 6th mod can help in case you don't have critic), what won't be possible for uryu (unless you run with 3 fury boosters). So at very end shura will make much more damage than uryuu.

author: Miken97 time: 2016-11-11 09:45:30

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 15:33
uryuu should have growth rates higher than shura, but don't know about base stats...

Shura's base strenght is 1800 while uryu 600( so it should be 1200 after upgrade). About growth rates uryu will have it much bigger (6.6 against 3.9) but looking at soul map growth rates doesn't matter that much. I don't really get how it is calculated so hard to say who can do more damage with single hit. Shura has better base stats and skill's growth rate while uryu has better stats growth rate so i would bet on shura, but who knows it

. But even if uryu will indeed be able to make more damage he still can't skill every round while shura can and difference between their damage won't be big enough to outweigh it

author: meat0020 time: 2016-11-11 09:54:40

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 22:32
you seen my video?
which one?
On what do you suggest Shura?

someone already explained why!

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 09:59:55

Miken97 replied at 2016-11-11 19:45
Shura's base strenght is 1800 while uryu 600( so it should be 1200 after upgrade). About growth ra ...

i can't get shura to fury every round with only kisuke and c.orihime.
only one would crit which wouldn't be enough.
Do you think that would change anything?
Coz I'd rather not get shura just for PVE and find him useless when uryuu gets red tavern update :/
Hakuteiken I could still use...I could get him 5 initial fury from evo and make him Pure T1 if Yama dies..
He wouldn't be that great but still useful... and he'd be useful in Pve too coz of his combo. I'm wishing to see how two combos work.'
Mc's combo +Hakuteiken's Combo... How does it work? coz mc gives combo to right most partner...does hakuteiken also give combo to right most partner? coz if that's so, it should work out.

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 10:00:34

meat0020 replied at 2016-11-11 19:54
someone already explained why!

um, no. don't be lazy
give me your opinion.

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-11-11 10:39:48

PVE>PVP

author: Miken97 time: 2016-11-11 10:47:11

Edited by Miken97 at 2016-11-11 17:00

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 15:59
i can't get shura to fury every round with only kisuke and c.orihime.
only one would crit which w ...

Well, i don't think that you have 100% chances for critic on one supporter and 0% on second so there is always chance for extra skill by shura. Also if you are going to use hakuteiken in pve for me it is sign that shura would benefit you and that he won't be useless. If you can do ES without vanguard you can use both uryu and shura. Secondly you just have to work on your critic stones and eventually uryu will be the one who is useless not shura

And i think that if you lack critic stones for 2 partners you don't have enough block stones too and shura can help a lot with this problem.

Two combos will work fine for sure but still that won't change fact that shura is superior to hakuteiken when it comes to pve. About pvp, if your yama dies there is small chance that hakuteiken will survive ( the only case i can imagine is attack from kirinji or some other partner with random attack-people don't use them too much in pvp and they rather try to stack other partners). On other hand shura can be usefull in pvp as well. After your yama attacks he will probably kill most of partners who aren't stacked, so than means that normally only one opponent will remain (watched HMA+Arena Battle quite quickly but i saw one situation like that). In that case shura will be better than haku because of bigger skill's growth rate and if you will give your characters some block stones shura decreasing break defense by 75% can be quite sneaky. Still it is rather situational but the same is with using both yama and haku. After all i think that there are greater chances for hakuteiken being useless than for shura

And you can get shura and benefit in pve now while farming for hakuteiken in csb to get him later and use him either way. I quess it is better option than benefitting firstly in pvp( what i doubt) by getting hakuteiken and later farming for shura to benefit in pve. Always think first about pve

. Still, your decision and you will do whatever you want

author: [email protected] time: 2016-11-11 11:10:35

Shura coz of this [attach]16967[/attach]

And also this
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author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 11:22:20

Miken97 replied at 2016-11-11 20:47
Well, i don't think that you have 100% chances for critic on one supporter and 0% on second so ther ...

I meant that if Yama dies in Hma battle after skilling, then haku can finish it up in next battle
Shura isn't exactly useful in Pvp...
But yes, he's Shura-ly useful in Pve XD
I just want someone who benefits me all round.
Pve would only get me more silver...and a little more exp(from es coz i never really do ryoka void etc.) not much to do with silver at this point. . . reiatsu won't increase unless i stack silver ....janken don't need much more silver coz 11k reishi...what else is it useful for?

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 11:23:01

[email protected] replied at 2016-11-11 21:10
Shura coz of this

you're not a vip 0

vip 0 shura can't be that strong... i'd die miserably in pvp hma...

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 11:24:52

Brahmastra replied at 2016-11-11 20:39
PVE>PVP

i do only es everyday and just 4 times ryoka a month i guess
still greater than pvp? coz i do shit dmg in es and get shit silver
you can check my es video to confirm

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 11:51:54

Miken97 replied at 2016-11-11 20:47
Well, i don't think that you have 100% chances for critic on one supporter and 0% on second so ther ...

he wouldn't be useful coz I would already have spent his stuff on Shura ... can't afford to wait 2 more years to get 4k stones again

author: Miken97 time: 2016-11-11 11:55:35

Edited by Miken97 at 2016-11-11 17:59

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 17:22
I meant that if Yama dies in Hma battle after skilling, then haku can finish it up in next battle ...

Well, if that the case then haku can be a little bit useful, but it is still pretty situational. And as I said shura is situational in pvp as well .Either way, as f2p you won't really get much from hueco and in regular pvp haku won't be much help. And he won't be better in pve than shura. I don't know what is your main focus in game but either way haku won't benefit you too much while shura will be great at least for ES. Even if you say you don't need much silver i guess it's better for you to get shura and benefit even if only a little bit than getting haku and getting almost none benefits. About uses for silver, i'm surprised that you say you have enough of it. What about soul cultivation, gear upgrade( at my lvl it is pretty expensive and at yours surely even more), hogyoku, partner modify? And if you will get some good partner from ubp, his lvl up will cost you really much. Can you really say you have enough for all of it?

I don't think so, but even if it is true, still you can keep upgrading your reiatsu. Small boost is better than none boost. If you really wish that much for something OP what will benefit you all round you can stack your challenge stones for white ichigo (but i guess it would take too much time

) or for sets from csb if they ever add them ( low chances). Or just get shura, but i'm pretty sure that hakuteiken won't give you more benefits than shura. I mean, exept situation when yama dies in hma, what is he good for?

author: [email protected] time: 2016-11-11 11:56:41

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 21:24
i do only es everyday and just 4 times ryoka a month i guess
still greater than pvp? coz i do shit ...

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So u can compare the two for yourself. Bya with zangetsu and shura with hyorin.
Bya: with 4lvl 11 and 2 lvl 10 str stones, lvl 52 on soul cultivation, t10 lvl 6 hogu, flawless phy att lvl 30, lvl 50 of the 120 acc set on str
Shura: with 4lvl 10 and 2 lvl 11 str stones, lvl 23 on soul cultivation, t11 lvl 8 hogu, red phy att(perfect) lvl 23, lvl 80 of the 140 acc set on str,
for pve u can compare the stats of str and pvp u can compare speed. But shura has one lvl 8 agi stone while bya has 6lvl 10 agi stones.

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-11-11 12:41:14

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 17:24
i do only es everyday and just 4 times ryoka a month i guess
still greater than pvp? coz i do shit ...

yeah

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 13:28:08

Brahmastra replied at 2016-11-11 22:41
yeah

Okay
I guess I should go for Shura then.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 13:55:07

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 09:13
I'm sure the combo he gives is worth considering. and oh yeah, the red tavern partner update should ...

Shura crushes uryuu, especially for F2P as your block rate on all your assaulters durring events will not be 90%, i'm sure... that block rate is far better than people give it credit for, did't watch your video, but if you have Cute Orihime and Shura Kenpachi, your 3 assaulters should block roughly 95% of the time, even with no block stones on them... Shura wins, hands down, only problem with him is he is a spirit blade, so you will have to work around that... also, with a stacked Yama, it will take a TON of work for wings to be worth your wild as f2p

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 13:56:40

Miken97 replied at 2016-11-11 09:45
Shura's base strenght is 1800 while uryu 600( so it should be 1200 after upgrade). About growth ra ...

don't forget, this game never shits on VIPs, once you can upgrade taverns, I'm 100% sure you can upgrade event partners as well, making the gap much bigger

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 13:57:36

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 09:59
i can't get shura to fury every round with only kisuke and c.orihime.
only one would crit which w ...

you sound like you already have made up your mind, pick wings and move on or listen to us and get Shura... plus Cute Orihime has a speed bond with Shura FYI

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 14:03:44

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 11:22
I meant that if Yama dies in Hma battle after skilling, then haku can finish it up in next battle ...

your mistaken, in ES, yes, it only gets more silver and XP...  which both are critical IMO (I get over 30M silver in ES every day, some days up to 50M, so that's nothing to scoff at) but in Ryoka...  you get free stones, tons of XP, tens of millions of silver, epic chests (as f2p that may be usefull), and souls...

free stones...  each level 3 stone is equivalent to 51 coupons (forgot how much they cost as f2p i'll be honest)

stones are the best buy in the game as they never decrease in value or efficiency, and always boost your power..  especially with the new upgraded gear being so easy to socket as well, you will need more stones than ever

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 14:05:28

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 11:51
he wouldn't be useful coz I would already have spent his stuff on Shura ... can't afford to wait 2 ...

the only real use for wings i see for you is in HMA, as a back up assaulter, when your yama dies, swap him out for wings, give wings his gear, keep on keeping on... other than that, shura wins in everyone here's opinion... i'm out, just realized how many posts i was making... didn't mean to, but it did get me close to advanced status, so thanks there, lol

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 14:33:39

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-11-12 00:05
the only real use for wings i see for you is in HMA, as a back up assaulter, when your yama dies, ...

I made up my mind to get Shura *rolls eyes* (coz of all the posts/threads and that you spoke of ryoka when I already said that I don't do events except for ES everyday).
I know you must have read it, but I was just asking if only ES would be worth the 4k csb stones for a f2p.
Also, I do like 35-42m dmg per hit on the es rn. (with mc,yama,uryuu,c.orihime and kisuke, mc with 8th skill combo one)
How much dmg do you think I'd get an increase of by replacing yama who's ex lvl 38(check my es video on my channel to compare)...

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 14:38:46

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-11-11 23:55
Shura crushes uryuu, especially for F2P as your block rate on all your assaulters durring events w ...

Yeah, I know he's a spirit blade type.
I think I had that in mind 7-9 months ago...
Just have the blade lvl 9 infuse though :/

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 14:39:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-11-11 23:57
you sound like you already have made up your mind, pick wings and move on or listen to us and get ...

Hakuteiken has a speed bond from C.Orihime

That's better than C.Orihime having the speed bond from Shura

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 16:37:28

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 14:39
Hakuteiken has a speed bond from C.Orihime
That's better than C.Orihime having the speed bond ...

not if you use Cute Orihime to T1 middle row XD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-11 16:39:53

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 14:33
I made up my mind to get Shura *rolls eyes* (coz of all the posts/threads and that you spoke of ryo ...

yama's skill gives 170% damage i think, while Shura's is 350%, plus shura has higher strength naturally, plus he makes you block almost 100%, plus he has a great chance to skill every round.., he should raise your damage vs a level 150 ES (once you build him up) about 3% of the ES total life% I'd guess

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 23:25:38

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-11-12 02:37
not if you use Cute Orihime to T1 middle row XD

That'd be quite difficult considering Shura would definitely still be faster.

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-11 23:29:14

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-11-12 02:39
yama's skill gives 170% damage i think, while Shura's is 350%, plus shura has higher strength natu ...

Nice
and Yama's skill is 150% while Hakuteiken's skill is 170%.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-12 09:28:04

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-11 23:25
That'd be quite difficult considering Shura would definitely still be faster.

if you can't make your people go in the order you want, you need to keep messing with stuff in your party, I can make my party go in any order i want, just sayin'

author: Suzuken time: 2016-11-12 09:42:50

Nah I wouldn't go with either. Save up until you can get Aizen.

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-12 10:34:57

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-11-12 19:28
if you can't make your people go in the order you want, you need to keep messing with stuff in you ...

Yama's gear got the fastest stuff so.. yeah

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-12 10:48:47

Suzuken replied at 2016-11-12 19:42
Nah I wouldn't go with either. Save up until you can get Aizen.

F2P... aizen is shit

author: Suzuken time: 2016-11-12 12:28:12

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-12 18:48
F2P... aizen is shit

I don't see any point in getting the other two anyway.

And Aizen ain't shit you trash

author: Suzuken time: 2016-11-12 12:28:29

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-12 18:48
F2P... aizen is shit

I don't see any point in getting the other two anyway.

And Aizen ain't shit you trash

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-12 12:33:22

Suzuken replied at 2016-11-12 22:28
I don't see any point in getting the other two anyway.

And Aizen ain't shit you trash

The tavern aizen isn't shit, no.
The CSB Aizen isn't worth 8k stones for a f2p.
You garbage

author: Suzuken time: 2016-11-12 12:46:19

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-12 20:33
The tavern aizen isn't shit, no.
The CSB Aizen isn't worth 8k stones for a f2p.
You garbage

Well at least I'm higher quality garbage.

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-12 12:51:25

Suzuken replied at 2016-11-12 22:46
Well at least I'm higher quality garbage.

Um, no.
You're not a f2p...so...no

author: Suzuken time: 2016-11-12 12:59:55

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-12 20:51
Um, no.
You're not a f2p...so...no

I don't even play the game

I'm N2P (no 2 play)

WHICH MAKES ME BTEER THAN YOU

TRASH

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-12 13:33:52

Suzuken replied at 2016-11-12 22:59
I don't even play the game
I'm N2P (no 2 play)

#Suzugay
#Garbage
So no.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-11-12 14:08:43

Asian123 replied at 2016-11-12 21:33
#Suzugay
#Garbage
So no.

#Quality
#HighQuality
Yes.

author: Asian123 time: 2016-11-12 14:25:34

Suzuken replied at 2016-11-13 00:08
#Quality
#HighQuality
Yes.

you win

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