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author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-18 15:53:31 Title: Sado Vs Yachiru

The best vanguards to get (till lv70 and maybe higher for Non-VIPs), who's better & why ?

author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-18 16:02:49

here's what i think:
About PVP i prefer the dodger .....but let's face it, u can't block or dodge in the PVE activities so it depends on stats, it's obvious who wins here..

author: Aphelius time: 2014-7-18 16:14:43

Yachiru is better i think

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 16:26:05

i prefer chad because he is a block tank,on the other hand yachiru cant counter,if you put a lot of physical attack,block,and counter that would make chad a monster,yachiru just dodges

author: defiantdoor time: 2014-7-18 16:42:58

Yea, but if she dodges all the time, no damage comes to her, and she stays alive. As well as having a sizeable amount of health, I think Yachiru could take out Chad. She is gonna be a pain either way once she starts getting into formations -.-

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-18 16:46:06

Block is considered to be better expecially later thats why I vote for Sado. But if you want to spend alot of Gold on Dodge then you can make a really good Yachiru, that will only fall off when other people get Hit Rate, but once that happens she becomes rather useless. Also Yachiru is weaker in hard PVE content since opponents will not miss.

author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-18 17:24:22

Edited by theguyinblack at 2014-7-18 18:29

well they won't miss sado either, same goes for block.... it's all about P.Def & S.Def in PvE, Yachiru is better here...

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-18 17:29:44

but block is harder to counter since Hit Rate is easyer to get than Break Defence

author: defiantdoor time: 2014-7-18 17:37:04

This is gonna get heated.

author: dragonstorm008 time: 2014-7-18 17:42:49

I Think Sado is better, but that's just my playstyle, as I prefer block.
Dodge for me is just a +.
Like mentioned above, combine block with a lot of strength, for super deadly build.

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-18 17:44:31

both are bad for later pve indeed

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 17:44:51

Go Sado,but man getting 2 vanguards costs 400 souls

author: defiantdoor time: 2014-7-18 17:52:15

Edited by defiantdoor at 2014-7-18 16:53

Sado and Inoue are a deadly combo though. If you get both of them, you have a pretty solid formation. Would be grand for lvl's 30-60.

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 17:56:18

Edited by dogg56 at 2014-7-18 16:58

true orhime is the only healer you get till lv 70,well if the player doesent have anti-heal that's a amazing combo,but if you had yachiru with 60% or more dodge,its win after win,unless people have high hit,that combo would be good but im not playing in a server currently

author: defiantdoor time: 2014-7-18 18:19:25

dogg56 replied at 2014-7-18 16:56
true orhime is the only healer you get till lv 70,well if the player doesent have anti-heal that's a ...

That's also another good combo. Would be crazy. S1 is gonna get some intense pvp formations.

author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-18 19:32:22

dragonstorm008 replied at 2014-7-18 16:42
I Think Sado is better, but that's just my playstyle, as I prefer block.
Dodge for me is just a +.
L ...

you r right, but the VG should have a high Att

author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-18 19:33:03

lShirol replied at 2014-7-18 16:44
both are bad for later pve indeed

yeah, it's all about Def

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 19:45:14

S1 is going to get crazy with insane formations,that take money to counter,after all its pay2win

author: AgentP time: 2014-7-18 20:16:31

Technically, you can't really win in this game. It seems to be a more "par to progress" type of game. In all actuality you pay to go farther in the game at a faster rate especially through all the pve in this game.

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 21:33:52

yep you can attend all events you will get a head start

author: boringstuff time: 2014-7-18 21:46:01

Sado is better , dodge is a waste of money

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 21:54:27

i agree,if you are higher than vip 6 invest in dodge,but people will catch up with hit

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-18 22:15:09

yashiru with good dodge will make you unbeatable during middle level pvp, but thats very expensive for a character that becomes useless within 20 levels and spirit stones that become useless at the same time
another good thing about block is once combined with a zanpaktou that does not lower your vanguards damage countering can add quite some nice damage

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-18 22:17:14

on that topic of how good attributes are should I write a guide with my oppinion of every attribute and its importance for most characters?

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-18 22:18:13

are you asking me?

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-18 22:19:07

everyone just seeing if there is some interest in it

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-19 03:01:31

Yes please do!

author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-19 07:22:04

WTF ? all this replies n i only got 1 Remind

author: theguyinblack time: 2014-7-19 07:23:23

lShirol replied at 2014-7-18 21:15
yashiru with good dodge will make you unbeatable during middle level pvp, but thats very expensive f ...

k i didn't consider that

U R right

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-19 08:58:51

yep like ishirol said yachiru is usless,in higher levels

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-19 09:47:37

just "Shiro" is fine and those are both lower case "L"s no "i"s ^^

and I wouldn't say fully useless, but keep in mind the max Block and Dodge rate is 90% unless buffed by skills that can break that and the max Break DEF and Hit rate are the same I think, again unless buffed. So unless you lower the enmies Hit or Break DEF Rate or buff yourself over the max it becomes useless. Dodge becomes useless quicker because you need less Spirit Stones thanks to Refining your gear and also has no other use.

The better deffencive Vanguards give Aid Rate or stronger pure deffence, because then even if you get hit, you get hit for less, not based on CHANCE but static values.

If you were to spend money on boosting Block or Dodge I would prefer Block, just because it is useful longer and has some offencive use, but lategame both are useless and you will be better of replacing those Spirit Stones with Strengh and Wisdom to boost deffence and offence directly. Depending on the server high Dodge can get you a solid spot in the top 10 tho, just because no one can hit your Vanguard, but then you will be stuck with that Vanguard unless you find another Dodge Rate based Vanguard because once you change Vanguard, to a Vanguard that can't use Dodge as well, the Dodge Spirit Stones lose in value. Block will not have the same effect, so in the mid levels you will not be as dominat.

author: ppvontade time: 2014-7-19 11:22:50

i allways go for the block tanker or defence
dodge is good iff you can get lots of it and nice hp also iff not go for block tank

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-19 12:59:01

Go Block Tanks

author: yungeh time: 2014-7-19 13:51:56

Sado Block>Dodge later on dodge can only take u so far until hit stones start racking up

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-19 15:08:28

yungeh replied at 2014-7-19 12:51
Sado Block>Dodge later on dodge can only take u so far until hit stones start racking up

lol what i said

author: pepino time: 2014-7-19 22:40:02

Later in PVE you will not have to worry about dodge and block cause the "enviroment" characters will hit you aside the amount of dodge/block you have. In terms of PVP let me remind you that against dodge you need hit and you get hit from spirit stones and equipment refine but when you are talking about block remember that you only can get break defence from spirit stones only

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-20 04:16:33

I still have not yet seen any takes on another thing to consider in having Yachiru.. If you are a gold spender and you can make at least 75% dodge it can do wonders.. People need to remember that all characters in formation does normal attack on first rounds to get fury.. If they miss because of dodge, they wont get fury hence they cant cast any stun skills or any skills that would take you on a disadvantage.. Your opponent/rival in-game would be having trouble investing on HIT RATE stones just to close a hit on your vanguard.

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-20 04:25:11

Edited by [email protected] at 2014-7-20 03:29

take note that when I mean 75% dodge, thats just the base.. so meaning 75% plus dodge skill = hax

this option is only for those who can invest and top up for dodge stones. Yachiru can be replaced with Sajin when he is available.

The game is similar to unlimited ninja, so Yachiru is equal to Maito Gai..

So if you are going with Yachiru and have the cash to get Rangiku the formation can be

Yachiru
Main / Rangiku
Momo / Inoue or Nanao

This formation can easily wipe out the assaulters of your opponent and go straight to the pesky vanguard and supporters without worrying of taking anymore damage
Note: If you have already invested on block stones on Sado, you dont need to worry, because now if you are going to get Yachiru, you're going to have block and dodge combos

You can never go wrong in investing stones on your vanguard as the stones can and will still be used on your later levels and replacement vanguards

author: Chaotic123 time: 2014-7-20 04:59:02

[email protected] replied at 2014-7-20 03:25
take note that when I mean 75% dodge, thats just the base.. so meaning 75% plus dodge skill = hax ...

You need at least 5000 gold to get 75% dodge.
With the same amount of gold, Sado can be equally imba.
Or I can bulk one of my assaulter with aim rate + dmg to 2 hit (1 normal, 1 skill) Yachiru, using this 5000 gold.

There is a reason why none of the late game vanguards is dodge type.
Whereas, most of them are block type.

Not to mention Yachiru is very fragile, if she is unable to dodge.

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-20 07:13:59

Yes but like I said, if your opponent misses he/she does not get fury hence less skill damage and such.. and yes that will require around that amount of gold, I personally have a Sado with 76% block rate.. but according to experience, if Yachiru is indeed of same stats in unlimited ninja as Maito Gai then it is good to acquire one. Again, "that's if the player is a heavy gold user and wants to advance fast" since these are new servers we are talking about.

author: Morthious time: 2014-7-20 15:41:48

Sometimes a higher grade means better and if you look at Yachiru's stats, its clear that she's better (with higher health and strength). The fact she's a dodger rather than a blocker means she can go several rounds without taking damage at all, which is a huge plus for a vanguard which is your meat shield. If you don't have a healer then you definitely want a dodge tank. Sure, you can beef up Sado, which is what I myself have done, but with less effort Yachiru can be much better.

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-20 20:39:29

Morthious replied at 2014-7-20 14:41
Sometimes a higher grade means better and if you look at Yachiru's stats, its clear that she's bette ...

a little effort for yachiru,you need tons to dodge soul stones,to win

author: defiantdoor time: 2014-7-20 20:42:35

Ahhhh. You don't need a healer with Yachiru. You can focus on your assaulters and have her just dodge all the hits while pummeling your opponent. That sounds like it could do some damage.

author: defiantdoor time: 2014-7-20 20:43:57

Of course it sucks when hit stones come in, but just think of the damage you could inflict mid-level. Plus when you keep giving her dodge stones, you could take her up to lvl 70 and be a pretty aggressive player.

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-21 01:45:08

ah if you seen other partner, expecially the event ones, block stones will benefit you more, makeing yachiru even more of a waste of gold

author: gladador time: 2014-7-21 07:41:43

I prefer sado because is a block tanker, dodge can easly be "ignored"

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-21 12:58:46

when those hit stones come in yachiru,is dead

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-21 14:48:20

I think almost everything about them has been said already why is this post so popular XD

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-21 16:41:10

Edited by dogg56 at 2014-7-21 16:11

you guys can keep fighting like old men,they are both good,they have advantages and disadvanteges,so whoever you think is the best,is the best in your mind,so guys think what you want to think

author: minolz time: 2014-7-22 04:13:21

Since the threads maker asking about Best Vans for Non-VIP , the answer is Sado for sure.

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-22 04:22:26

yachiru overall is great so i think yachiru is better then sado

author: Nickx17 time: 2014-7-23 03:44:49

Edited by Nickx17 at 2014-7-23 02:46

I prefer Block talent Over Dodge talent
so i like Sado over Yachiru
i like Block talent because first you can hit back. I know you do get hit but if you have a lot of health or a good healer it you don't have to worry about it.
i also do like dodge first you don't take any damage. also when you do dodge they don't get any fury to do special move.

For Sado i would use the spirit stones it recommends i want a lot of health and a high block rating so i use stamina stones and block stones i also throw on some Hit and Strength Stones reason is so that when he does block he hits the person who hit him and takes some hp of the person he hits.

i dont know about Yachiru i didnt want to spend souls on her but i guess i would use dodge stones and Stamina Stones thats all i can think of.if you do got time and money to pour into yachiru i guess she would be great

as for events against Pve i dont even use vanguard i go for high Dps output

author: lShirol time: 2014-7-23 04:04:05

you dont need hit stones to hit a block counter as far as I know

author: kuekeju17 time: 2014-7-23 04:49:10

right now, it's seems sado is the better option

author: tommymac009 time: 2014-7-23 05:58:24

yachiru omg look at the freaking stat compare from both. if you apply more block in chad, he would be stronger but based on my experience of interaction with yachiru, they mostly use dodge which is way stronger than chad

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-23 09:08:35

Edited by [email protected] at 2014-7-23 09:41

Sado is annoying but if you aren't utilizing a healer he is just a health pool to swim through, and stats speak towards Yachiru. Once you break through Sado or get skills that bypass block he's rather unhelpful, most forms ppl run with have Sado so you can easily form a counter to that. Dodge can be countered with hit but many people stack Health and Strength as main priority, might see more of that because most ppl using Sado. That's what i think.
Yachiru has 90% growing rate on skill opposed to Sado's 80%.
< Favored Yachiru.
Yachiru Dodge is 20% for 3 rounds, Sado has 35% block for 3 rounds.
<Favored Dodge over Block in my opinion b/c if they have the chance to miss an attack entirely it benefits more as they now have a character that missed and didn't gain any fury from the attack, opposed to a blocked attack which does reduced damage but still generates fury from attack. If you are fortunate enough to have Tobiume on your team Sado is not the beneficiary there. Against Yachiru Tobiume misses DoT, for Sado it only reduced the initial impact.
Yachiru hits harder than Sado.
Yachiru for an offense based team, Sado for defensive based team.That's the only diffrence there, Yachiru is better pvp, Sado is better Pve.
If anyone has the algorithm used for combat in the game i would like to look at it

author: wanko7 time: 2014-7-23 14:05:23

chad is better...im using now till new 1 coming to replace him~

author: unzaki time: 2014-7-23 17:37:15

In most cases, block is better considering how you can then counter your opponent and cause damage, and because there is only one way to counter blockers(break defense spirit stone), while dodgers have to deal with hit spirit stones, increase hit rate skills, and other buffs. So until you can get a better blocker, I suggest going with Chad.

author: bandos time: 2014-7-23 22:22:13

Sado id say is ALOT better cause if your stuck with that green guy hes a horrible vanguard plus sado does more damage so hes better all around

author: Setsuzu time: 2014-7-24 00:04:30

"EL DIRECTO!!!"

...just saying, the voice when he finally gets to hit someone in the face is all I need.

author: TGW_HUNTERR_LGND time: 2014-7-24 13:28:44

hi guys

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-25 23:14:07

Sado for sure. In my opinion block is by far better than dodge. You could use your gear AND spirit stones to increase your hit rate. However increasing break defense rate comes from spirit stones only.

author: dogg56 time: 2014-7-26 09:55:20

O Its A tie someone vote on sado

author: swordoffate time: 2014-7-27 03:23:28

I vote who got more HP

author: orko99 time: 2014-7-27 09:52:57

If u use yachiru,a healer not necessary and u pick rukia or momo

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-28 10:42:48

sado for PVE
spruichi For PVP

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-29 23:15:50

I will buy yachiru, because of the fact everybody choose Sado, so i need break def.....but they need hit rate against yachiru and i think nobody will have much hit rate stones, because evreybody uses Sado and everybosy knows that.....never saw any player with yachiru

author: marold time: 2014-7-30 01:57:18

Yashiru for PVE and PVP for my opinion.

Beter stat and leveling and dodge hability.

Why dodge is so good.

If u dodge ---> No damage  ----> no fury point for the ennemy and no more major damage/control/heal....
Block only reduce damage, so it's not useless, but u will need for sure to use support for heal... and can't try some rush dps at the same time.
Counter.... can be usefull if ennemy support and assaulter have few life. cause u can try to kill them with only the counter skill if u 're wangard can stay alive.

With  high level i'ts easy for the ennemy (pve and pvp) to try to kill u're assaulter's first if u upgrade only u're vanguard unit. for exemple. some kido at lvl 50-60 can make some 10k-15k damage on all u're unit.

So if u don't dodge the attack of ennemy dps... u will have some serious problem if u don't have enough HP/DP  for u're assaulters/support unit.

Or u can try to kill the ennemy dps in two round before they lauch their fury attack.

author: [email protected] time: 2014-7-31 10:16:25

We could go all day saying which is better. I use sado and fought a few Yaichiru users, unfortunately for them I have a skill that buff my main 100% hit...nuff said.

author: [email protected] time: 2014-8-1 01:34:45

[email protected] replied at 2014-7-31 16:16
We could go all day saying which is better. I use sado and fought a few Yaichiru users, unfortunatel ...

yeah but when u use this skill against my formation 3 - 1 - 1 (with 2 healers) u have no chance
because you would need the skill which reduces healing effect....NUFF SAID

author: [email protected] time: 2014-8-1 17:29:01

[email protected] replied at 2014-8-1 00:34
yeah but when u use this skill against my formation 3 - 1 - 1 (with 2 healers) u have no chance
be ...

Gee I didn't know that the main character is the only one that does damage....OH wait...

author: [email protected] time: 2014-8-2 10:00:05

Edited by [email protected] at 2014-8-2 09:03

[email protected] replied at 2014-8-1 00:34
yeah but when u use this skill against my formation 3 - 1 - 1 (with 2 healers) u have no chance
be ...

Your team would be dead in 2 rounds against my team, and I don't use the heal debuff. Would be gone after 1 fury attack from main in 2nd round.

Anyways to answer the question, Sado is better hands down. Block owns dodge. You can easily get enough hit to nullify dodge, or use certain skills.

author: albertdoris time: 2014-8-5 05:12:31

Sado....is very op...if you know how to upgrade him(tank and defens)

author: swordoffate time: 2014-8-6 04:02:00

Sado is same as reflecting(because after he blocks, he reflects the attack) Metal tank. I got sado and orihime. I used 2 lvl 3 block spirit stone in sado and bunch of other stuff to increase sado's block rate. Now, Sado blocks(91%) every attack and orihime is keep healing him

I prefer sado.

author: swordoffate time: 2014-8-6 04:03:32

And if sado use his skill, his block rate get even MORE up.

author: kixxurazz time: 2014-8-7 02:45:31

sado is better because any smart players will have put in 50% hit by then and her dodge is nullified. left with paperbag to take hit.

author: blacklce time: 2014-8-7 08:35:54

Sado is better of course, of course if you put some stone, but be carefull if ennemy strategy is to attack assaulter

author: N7Pankake time: 2014-8-12 00:00:39

I say sado just look at that arm... jesus nah joking, I prefer sado because
1. Hes a Block tank
~~ Block rate vs Dodge Rate ~~
is harder to get Dodge rate than Block rate
if you do a dodge rate tank it would be a fact of luck chance that u win/lose a fight
not the same with block , since block is harder to get countered (Unless you have those shiny break defence)
also is easier to get Hit rate than break defence .
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Well at least this is my point of view i respect everyone opinion

author: [email protected] time: 2014-8-14 05:13:26

i go for Sado here

author: [email protected] time: 2014-8-14 05:14:57

N7Pankake replied at 2014-8-11 23:00
I say sado just look at that arm... jesus nah joking, I prefer sado because
1. Hes a Block tank
~~ ...

What he said :p

author: iToaeAonBlvl time: 2014-8-17 04:42:57

theguyinblack replied at 2014-7-18 16:24
well they won't miss sado either, same goes for block.... it's all about P.Def & S.Def in PvE, Yachi ...

Block works in PVE events

author: eleonenzeru time: 2014-8-20 05:54:19

I agree with the sado strength block set up. As someone who has made it to lv 68 and seen the lv 78+ top players on my server playing, almost all of them use sado. Of which they had both sado and yachiru so they had experience with both before making their choice. Strength and block is a good way to kill of supports early on.

author: Glasglow time: 2014-8-20 09:16:17

Yachiro is completely useless as a Vanguard, she doesn't have block and her dodge is really weak.

I've met a bunch of Yachiru so far and none of them could dodge half as well as sado can block, and i don't even have that good hit stones in my gear, just average stones i got randomly.

author: coolpoint99 time: 2014-8-21 09:08:11

i vote for yachiru.

author: coolpoint99 time: 2014-8-21 09:09:32

with proper equiptment and Spirit Stones Yachiru is kinda Annoying one, Kenpachi Agreess on it lol

author: krystal time: 2014-8-22 11:13:44

coolpoint99 replied at 2014-8-21 16:09
with proper equiptment and Spirit Stones Yachiru is kinda Annoying one, Kenpachi Agreess on it lol

Well if enemy has hit rate stones shes useless completly

author: coolpoint99 time: 2014-8-22 11:45:05

krystal replied at 2014-8-23 00:13
Well if enemy has hit rate stones shes useless completly

True , but its same for sado too with Break Defence he's completely useless too...

author: krystal time: 2014-8-22 11:46:53

coolpoint99 replied at 2014-8-22 18:45
True , but its same for sado too with Break Defence he's completely useless too...

Haha yeah XD atleast in PVE mobs dont have break defense

author: [email protected] time: 2014-8-22 12:00:06

I like Yachiru so i voted for her, on my server the number one player has a monster Yachiru ... He can beat ppl whit full hp whit only Yachiru (tested on me .. and i am not weak and i have plenti of hit stones myself).

author: coolpoint99 time: 2014-8-22 12:02:52