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Title: First recruit for pvm, Kisuke or Ikkaku ? [Print this page]

author: DarthVille time: 2014-11-20 01:36:49 Title: First recruit for pvm, Kisuke or Ikkaku ?

Edited by DarthVille at 2014-11-20 08:39

I know Ikkaku is the best tavern dmg dealer, but kisuke combo with rukia, will boost fury and gain more silver (Evil Spirit) or exp (Ryoka Attack) so for now I don't know who will recruit next, please , explain your choice !

author: KHONHAX time: 2014-11-20 01:42:34

What is your current events formation and normal formation?

author: DarthVille time: 2014-11-20 01:46:24

Edited by DarthVille at 2014-11-20 08:49

What is your current events formation and normal formation?

Vanguard - Sajin / ES and Ryoka sometimes exchange with Gold Ichigo
Assaulter - Main and Renji
Supporter - Momo and Rukia

author: Unholyknight time: 2014-11-20 02:00:34

if you can save up the silver to get 2400 gold reishi then I say get both of them since you really can't go wrong with either. now depending on if you need a better 2nd support for let say ES and Ryoka then get Kisuke first but if your looking for more damage then get Ikkaku first since he pretty much a better Renji (in terms of damage not attack boost) either way both has their ups and downs

author: DarthVille time: 2014-11-20 02:03:11

if you can save up the silver to get 2400 gold reishi then I say get both of them since you really can't go wrong with either. now depending on if you need a better 2nd support for let say ES and Ryoka then get Kisuke first but if your looking for more damage then get Ikkaku first since he pretty much a better Renji (in terms of damage not attack boost) either way both has their ups and downs

I will get both, just asking who to get first, to get the other much faster

author: Unholyknight time: 2014-11-20 02:14:34

Like I said before if you need a good 2nd supporter then get Kisuke first to combo off of Rukia (fury regen= faster fury= more damage) but if you want someone who can hit hard then I suggest getting Ikkaku first since he to can regen his own fury after skill (which again means faster skill = more damage) it really who do you need badly and when do you need them

author: [email protected] time: 2014-11-20 02:42:59

get both if u can

author: seremz2 time: 2014-11-20 03:15:56

if you have ultimate equipment or spirit forged 80 ready, i'd say ikkaku first, the damage rate you earned for ikkaku is really useful

author: [email protected] time: 2014-11-23 02:31:19

Edited by [email protected] at 2014-11-23 01:33

Recruit ikkaku first..
rukia alone is fine in PVE..
even if u have kisuke.. u cant still make ur assaulters to skill>skill combo..
It's still normal attack>skill attack>normal attack.. and so on

Having ikkaku first will maximize ur damage and gives you high amount of silvers in evil spirit..
Around 6.5m-9m per ES event
You can even be OP at the ryoka like me..
even if i'm just a f2p user

And of course.. ur setup should be 2-3-0
momo..rukia..renji..main..ikaku

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author: fcalife time: 2014-11-23 04:33:00

urahara first is a better silver investment with your current setup.

author: DarthVille time: 2014-11-23 05:16:50

i already got ikkaku

author: ajoalex time: 2014-11-25 09:34:23

DarthVille replied at 2014-11-23 14:16
i already got ikkaku

who is a better replacement for VG in pve; ichigo or renji? (considering that ichi can wear gold treasure and considering both have their equal mods completed for any specific level ie)

author: DarthVille time: 2014-11-25 09:39:31

Edited by DarthVille at 2014-11-25 16:44

who is a better replacement for VG in pve; ichigo or renji? (considering that ichi can wear gold treasure and considering both have their equal mods completed for any specific level ie)

for me renji, is higher lvl then ichigo, have basic modify, and use same weapon as vanguard

author: SACk25 time: 2014-12-26 12:45:52

Based on a lot test I've done, I did realise that using both "fury team" Rukia and Urahara is really useless...

There is a simple explanation:

Let's do with normal fury, it won't change with critical one.

So Rukia gives 30 Fury to Assaulters and Urahara gives 25 to all partners.

Now if you are using a formation 2-3 for ES or Ryokas that is what will happen.

Rukia and Urahara gives 55 Fury to Assaulters, but they still will need 1 attack to fill it up, so technically you will spend fury.

Now if you only use Rukia, with the correct speed you will need still your assaulters do one attack and you can use anohter damage dealer support which will give your more final DMG.

My Event Formation is Rukia (fury partner) - Ikitake (dmg dealer) - Main - Ken (before lvl 90 Renji) - Ikakku.

Yes, using 2 fury partner will only help Ikkaku, which has 25 fury Recovery, as long as they both (fury partners) do critical dmg. But since that not will always happen your dmg will be unstable, I'd rather to fix that by using Ukitake with higher stones than Rukia.

At this moment I am doing 5.5M dmg, still need to increase some stones to do it higher.

author: YagamiLi time: 2015-3-25 18:41:30

SACk25 replied at 2014-12-26 09:45
Based on a lot test I've done, I did realise that using both "fury team" Rukia and Urahara is really ...

8th skill.....

author: MATTRAT time: 2015-6-10 20:12:23

SACk25 replied at 2014-12-26 12:45
Based on a lot test I've done, I did realise that using both "fury team" Rukia and Urahara is really ...

No
didnt u know urahara and rukia with ikkaku is really helpful? How? They can help ikkaku almost use skill every round
Let's say 1st round: They attack as usual
2nd round urahara gives fury 25 or 37(crit) then ikkaku use skill to attack and get 25 or 37(crit) ikkaku fury is now 37 then rukia use skill that gives 30 or 45(crit) that rise ikaku fury to 67 or 85
3rd round urahara give fury again that is 25 or 37 that rise ikkaku fury to 100 or 108 fury
Now does that make sense?

author: moongoatie time: 2015-6-19 11:24:25

What mattrat said is absolutely correct, but there is one thing more.
In a simplestic way of thinking its 190% vs 100% growth, so you think your formation will deal more damage with Ukitake, but...

More fury means more damage. While it might seem low difference on lower levels, on high it has a great impact.
I will give an example of my setup.

I use Kisuke-Rukia-Main-Kenpachi-Ikkaku. Kisuke is t1, who makes rukia t1, who makes whole team t1.
Now,on first round(without fury crits) my Kisuke deals about 400k dmg, Rukia around 200k and Kenpachi 2.5m dmg.
If we jump on 3rd round (also with 0 fury crits) my kenpachi should have 160 fury, and he deals 3.1m dmg, thats 600k more dmg cause of the fury, only on Kenpachi. My Ikkaku and main are fairly weaker so they get about 300k dmg each. A total of 1.1m extra damage cause of the fury, in 2 skill rounds that sums up to 2.4m damage

If I swap Kisuke with Ukitake, Ukitake will surelly deal more damage, about to 800k. That makes it 1.6m more, but the extra damage from fury will half, so 1.6m+1.2m=2.8m
So what am I talking about? Ukitake seems better, right?Wrong. The calculation is based on 0 fury crits. The fury crits benefits more the first setup. If the 2.4m dmg jumps to 3m cause of it, it makes both setups almost even.

Now, you got 2 setups with about same damage, while first one has a chance to trigger more damage if Ikkaku uses his skill every turn.

The only reason I wrote this, is to show you that extra fury isn't useless, and you shouldn't take only growth rates in consideration. I.e i would rather deal 25,5m with a chance to make it 29m with ikkaku rather than having 26m stable

author: MATTRAT time: 2015-6-19 18:15:52

yes what moongoate said is absolutely correct as well

author: Amaimoon23 time: 2015-10-25 07:46:47

Edited by Amaimoon23 at 2015-10-25 07:56

Havent seen when it was written -_-

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-11-16 20:44:34

post # 20

author: [email protected] time: 2015-11-17 11:19:52

post #21 get both

author: [email protected] time: 2015-11-17 23:56:51

you could use ikaku at a later stage, coz with kisuke and rukia sil making becomes easy

author: Shadow49999 time: 2015-11-19 19:56:23

bump

author: MylarHyrule time: 2015-11-20 10:49:19

get Kieske... once your fully mod him and rukia, with probably 10 or so total basic fury stones you can T1 your whole team if you work it right... just my 2 cents

author: Shadow49999 time: 2015-11-23 23:02:31

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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2016-1-9 16:41:59

Which Zanpakuto do you use and how come you don't have a SWP Partner?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-11 16:09:42

DarthVille replied at 2014-11-20 01:46
Vanguard - Sajin / ES and Ryoka sometimes exchange with Gold Ichigo
Assaulter - Main and Renji
Su ...

f2p PVE team...
Zabimaru
no vanguard till past wave 50 in ryoka
Main with 9th, Ikkaku, HMA Grimjaw
Kieske, Jushiro

author: Suzuken time: 2016-4-11 16:10:50

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-12 00:09
f2p PVE team...
Zabimaru
no vanguard till past wave 50 in ryoka

gg replying to 2 years old comment.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-11 16:24:25

Suzuken replied at 2016-4-11 16:10
gg replying to 2 years old comment.

lol didn't check date... sadly I do this a lot XD

author: Suzuken time: 2016-4-11 16:26:20

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-4-12 00:24
lol didn't check date... sadly I do this a lot XD

Rofl
how did you even find this thread xDDD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-4-11 16:27:07

mike bumped it up I guess, lol

author: TheAnimeAdmiral time: 2016-6-15 05:40:16

I don't wanna make a new thread and take up too much space with my question in the forums, so imma ask here.

I'm in debate about assaulters. My PvE formation of assaulters is Yama - Grimmjow - Main
Should I buy Ikkaku and replace Yama for PvE? Currently Yama is my biggest damage dealer overall, since I've stacked him up.

author: Autopsyst time: 2016-10-8 06:43:44

Yama is useless for pve, ikkaku is way better

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-14 15:17:46

TheAnimeAdmiral replied at 2016-6-15 05:40
I don't wanna make a new thread and take up too much space with my question in the forums, so imma a ...

Quincy U is the biggest tavern boost to damage I can see for you ATM

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