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author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-22 21:43:51 Title: Support Killers

I have Hiki, Nimaiya, crap main, crap assaulter, Bankai Kenpachi

Im looking to find someone to either add to the team to kill supports (ultimately trying to prevent a BRukia from ruining my day)

I was wanting to swap my assaulter for Muken Aizen whenever I get him, but I doubt he'd ever be able to outspeed a stacked BRukia (have to assume the worst)

So the options were to either stack one of my current supports, or swap someone for an alternate support killer

What should I do?

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-22 22:06:08

brenji if thats all are left are supps after hiki gets them. or yama is good against them as well.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-22 22:13:36

trojandrew replied at 2017-2-22 22:06
brenji if thats all are left are supps after hiki gets them. or yama is good against them as well.

I was thinking either Koga(Chaos) or Shunko(raw dmg)
It would be nice if I didnt need to worry and could stack Nimaiya, then id have the mutilate for VG's, but I wasnt sure if a 80% growth rate would be enough to 1 shot supports?

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-2-22 22:40:01

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author: Prince-Vegeta time: 2017-2-22 22:55:58

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-2-22 22:40
how the fook do you have a bankai kenpachi?

he not only has a bankai kenpachi he pure t1 it also lols i should know cause he was in my csb lols

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-22 23:10:35

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-2-22 23:14

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-2-22 22:40
how the fook do you have a bankai kenpachi?

Idk if Muken will have the turn 1 advantage to be able to effectively stop a BRukia

I would think the key is whoever goes 1st in this matchup essentially wins.

BRukia                                  Muken Aizen
Base Agi       3000                3000
Agi Gr             5.2                2.1
Evo11          15000             5000
RJ                +32%             +21%(+46% total)  (Senbon)
Passive          +20%             +0%
Mods             +8%             -6% to enemyBonds             idk                   +15%
All else is equal

The only way I see Muken winning without partner assistance is if he can survive BRukias 1st hit, which may or may not be possible, idk i dont fight in high BP fights

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-2-22 23:13:22

There are 2 options, you can go for a fast heavy hitter to kill her like the new Soifon or get a fast fury reducer like Shy Nemu or Haschwalth to strip T1 from her since she is not immune.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-2-22 23:25:29

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-22 23:29:45

B Renji's 5th mod is nice
new Soi fon seems like a good choice
Shini Kensei has good control aspect on most supports

another note...
you could have gotten Human K and not worried about B Rukia

20/20 hindsight

BTW, I believe that your rival has been here on the forums asking WTF to do about your B Kenpachi, lol

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-22 23:33:15

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-22 23:29
B Renji's 5th mod is nice
new Soi fon seems like a good choice
Shini Kensei has good control aspect ...

lol i like Human Komo, but Kenpachi is my life, i sacrificed a more well rounded team in order to drool everytime i hit formation or fight something

I wouldnt say rival, he 1 shots my whole team lol hes only in my HMA sometimes

author: absolboy101 time: 2017-2-23 02:03:13

Edited by absolboy101 at 2017-2-23 03:16

if you can manage to get muken aizen and t1 him you should be good unless your opponents b.rukia is also t1. if thats the case get a partner with 1 or 2 modifcations that reduces opponents speed.his exclusive skill pretty decent too. muken, b.ken(with exclusive) and shunko soi (with exclusive) seem to be a good combo for constant skill use and heavy hits.

author: Shiki_fujin time: 2017-2-23 05:01:47

aizen + shinso gin is the best tandem on ass and sup: could add them yhwach and good bye good bye

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-23 07:11:17

Edited by Miken97 at 2017-2-23 13:12

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-23 05:10
Idk if Muken will have the turn 1 advantage to be able to effectively stop a BRukia

I would think ...

muken isn't fast and he will never outspeed well-build b.rukia but if stacked enough he can for sure be tanky and deal great damage meaning that he shouldn't have problems with surviving b.rukia's skill and once he skills he will kill her, that being said he won't stop her from skilling if she's T1 and for that I would advice using T1 haschwalth (cheaper option is hiki whom you have, but it looks like you are using senbon-which isn't most fortunate choice for speed fight and with haschwalth it will be a lot of easier to outspeed stacked b.rukia ) to prevent her from skilling in round 1 and then T1 muken hitting hard to prevent her from causing any further problems. Of course all depends on budget but looking that you have b.kenpachi and you try to fight RJ user (from that comparison I assume that your enemy has RJ and you have senbon) so I guess you may be able to get him. (would be easier if you gave all details)

author: Asian123 time: 2017-2-23 08:29:35

http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Muken_Aizen
I don't see why you're ignoring Muken.
He's immune to stun, fury restriction, deduction, mutilate.
He's not a vanguard either, so isn't affected by B.Rukia's debuffs.
He's tanky as fudge, for an assaulter. He will skill, and most certainly kill b.rukia in one hit unless it's vs a ryujin and an unbelievably stacked brukia.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-23 09:22:37

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-23 07:11
muken isn't fast and he will never outspeed well-build b.rukia but if stacked enough he can for sur ...

That's what my thinking was, I just wasnt sure if he would be tanky enough to withstand a 100% stacked (assuming worst case) BRukia.

The only issue I've had with Fury Reduction as the option is the case where someone would over-fury BRukia either by means of extra fury % from standard sources, a speedy fury booster or combination thereof.

So I thought my safest routes to counter her was either pure dmg or chaos.

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-23 10:13:56

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-23 15:22
That's what my thinking was, I just wasnt sure if he would be tanky enough to withstand a 100% sta ...

He should be, although b.rukia has 200% growth rate her base attack isn't too high and with def bonus from haschwalth surviving her attack should be piece of cake.

Haschwalth decreases fury by 40 so as long as opponent doesn't have senju it should be fine, if he has senju faster than b.rukia you could use for example fragile shy nemu (who also can decrease fury btw) so that she dies from senju's attack, activates her death mod and cast chaos on enemy support.
Pure damage isn't really safe route becauser supporters are naturally faster than assaulters so to outspeed b.rukia you would need faster supporter, problem in that case is that
1.stacked b.rukia as supporter herself has high kido deff and will most likely survive attack from every other supporter (unless you have katen)
2.kukaku who is used by most high vips gives 100% kido deff and then it is actually impossible to one-shot stacked supporter with another supporter
Most of partners with chaos attack random targets (with exception of shy nemu who cast it via death mod) so it isn't really safe route as well.
Well guess the safest way to stop b.rukia from skilling would be haschwalth+shy nemu (as I said fragile so that she can be easily one-shoted) but that isn't cheapest way for sure, if you can't afford it shy nemu for herself could also do a job although if you're using senbon it will be hard for her to outspeed b.rukia+haschwalth has also other very useful benefits

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-23 10:22:02

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-22 23:33
lol i like Human Komo, but Kenpachi is my life, i sacrificed a more well rounded team in order to ...

nah, not that guy, he was in here asking for an answer for a well stacked B Kenpachi, lol... general answer was B Rukia or Oetsu, lol

author: badbone time: 2017-2-23 20:30:15

whats this fake hype of brukia ?????
there are 1000 ways to stop her
if you have bankai kenpachi , hiki and ... whatever you
cant lose to that weak partner

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-23 21:11:32

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-23 10:13
He should be, although b.rukia has 200% growth rate her base attack isn't too high and with def bo ...

Thanks for a lot of great info.

But to drop both Hiki and Oetsu just to counter one partner, seems like the most efficient route is to Outspeed BRukia with Hiki to help Muken avoid the dmg and let Muken Nuke her.

Thoughts?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-23 22:30:04

badbone replied at 2017-2-23 20:30
whats this fake hype of brukia ?????
there are 1000 ways to stop her
if you have bankai kenpachi , ...

B Rukia UBP... she is beautiful in every way <3

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-24 06:32:36

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-24 03:11
Thanks for a lot of great info.

But to drop both Hiki and Oetsu just to counter one partner, seem ...

yeah, that will do although I'm still not sure which zan you use (would be good if you clarify it), if I understood correctly and you are using senbon then it will be hard to make hiki faster than b.rukia, if you are using zan which shows at least some love to supporters then it shouldn't be problem to outspeed b.rukia, just noticed that koga also cast chaos on supporters and he is pretty fast for assaulter+ he would be good for PvE and his death mod is pretty OP so if you're running senbon he may be really valuable partner for you to get, he can counter b.rukia and is useful on other fields as well, as you see there are many partners who can counter b.rukia so just choose the one who suits you best

(or if you have zan which doesn't neglect supporters just stack speed on kirio)

author: badbone time: 2017-2-24 09:30:30

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-23 22:30
B Rukia UBP... she is beautiful in every way

yea and get shunko soifon cuz there is no other way to deal with brukia

author: jgooner time: 2017-2-24 09:35:51

the only thing that can help you is top up
your kind only survive with top up
this is the best advice u can get in this forum

author: chiko88soem time: 2017-2-24 09:38:36

jgooner replied at 2017-2-24 15:35
the only thing that can help you is top up
your kind only survive with top up
this is the best advic ...

yeah top-up

make gogames great again

or even greater

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-24 09:43:29

chiko88soem replied at 2017-2-24 15:38
yeah top-up

make gogames great again

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-24 10:28:06

badbone replied at 2017-2-24 09:30
yea and get shunko soifon cuz there is no other way to deal with brukia

nah, there are other ways, outspeed her and hit her hard for sure... human K is a good counter... she's not a beat all end all, and is overpriced for sure... but she is wonderful by all means

author: [email protected] time: 2017-3-1 19:23:10

interesting theories here

author: ichmkami time: 2017-3-2 04:32:50

Yo if u wanna waste some gold thn u cn get the new soi fon cause she kinda over kills the support

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