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author: Autopsyst time: 2017-2-27 15:20:26 Title: one more VGs poll

month ago it was Noza-kun vs Horned Ichigo-chan, now its Noza vs Ichibae

so, what do you think? who's better?

author: Xallog time: 2017-2-27 15:40:39

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author: Jackski time: 2017-2-27 16:10:15

I agree with Xallog, it depends what you want VG for and if you're going to use the rest of the team

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-27 16:26:33

noza is by far much better and the difference increases depending on whatever zan you use. In PVE hands down. in pvp you need to get his block mods and stack him, but he outshines there as well.

author: zealvioxs time: 2017-2-27 17:15:01

Edited by zealvioxs at 2017-2-27 17:16

trojandrew replied at 2017-2-27 16:26
noza is by far much better and the difference increases depending on whatever zan you use. In PVE ha ...

+1
same as he say,
ichibei is just hp and focus only in pvp, while noza is both,
ichibei just have like 17% more block, while noza 24%+ 17% bond
ichibiei may survive some turn if you survives a t1 player and if by luck another of you partners to get the buff LOL, while noza can knockout with blocks plus if you use with hyo/senbon it gets better
ichibiei may be good with out hyo/senbo, same goes to noza, (he block do the dmg without reduction)

ichibie is good but no good enough, can have better grown rate, support (heal and def increase) and because of its hp increase can boost you bp by a lot, but it only hp LOL

It is just my opinion, Peace

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-27 17:17:27

Running Hyorin, there is no comparison... Noza hands down

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-2-27 20:37:42

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author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-27 21:47:18

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-2-27 20:37
people be serious now no need for ichibe forums

or vip0 with vit and missed out on dichigo lol

author: zealvioxs time: 2017-2-27 22:17:04

there are better things to spend vit than ichibei, patience does not kill

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-27 22:20:49

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-2-27 20:37
people be serious now no need for ichibe forums

"Sudden loss of sense" lmao I'm dead

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-2-28 01:14:57

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author: Shiki_fujin time: 2017-2-28 02:44:57

i want lord ganju or no hope spend 1 vit

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 03:43:02

Im sorry for crushing Noza fanboi hype, but my tavern Ichigo with 1st phase exclusive skill & 4x block mods crushes 9/10 Nozas i face 1v1 and im not even using 0% zanpakuto. Dunno about Ichibei tho, i think he is even worse than Noza. But im getting him anyway for Senjumaru bond.

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-28 04:43:39

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 09:43
Im sorry for crushing Noza fanboi hype, but my tavern Ichigo with 1st phase exclusive skill & 4x blo ...

Those are some shitty nozas you are facing then

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 05:28:11

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-28 04:43
Those are some shitty nozas you are facing then

Nah, they are usually way more buffed than my Ichigo. They are just useless 1v1 and most of VG fights end up 1v1. Noza can rely only on block, it may work vs supporters but it wont do much to a stacked VG or even semi-stacked like mine.

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-28 06:43:20

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 11:28
Nah, they are usually way more buffed than my Ichigo. They are just useless 1v1 and most of VG figh ...

Well, in 1vs1 stacked/semi-stacked vanguards fights normally win tank who has more hp(excluding RJ fights of course). Since zanpaktous which doesn't give+0% to vanguard can't give as much hp boost as senbon or hyorin and noza before fossilizing should make quite nice damage I can't see h.ichigo winning against well-build noza

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 07:40:47

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Miken97 replied at 2017-2-28 06:43
Well, in 1vs1 stacked/semi-stacked vanguards fights normally win tank who has more hp(excluding RJ ...

at lv 70 exclusive Noza might become superior to Ichigo, but i doubt there is a loot of freaks who waste 35k exclusive frags into vanguard. On otherhand Ichigos exclusive is no joke either - it is basically one round of invincibility (exept DOT damage) with hp-reg and require only 6-7k frags.

Block-wise Ichigo is more or less equal to Noza after adv-stars feature.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-28 07:42:13

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 03:43
Im sorry for crushing Noza fanboi hype, but my tavern Ichigo with 1st phase exclusive skill & 4x blo ...

My Noza is by no means amazing... but unless you have a BRUTAL Ichi...

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he ain't gonna make your point

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 07:44:30

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-2-28 07:45

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-28 07:42
My Noza is by no means amazing... but unless you have a BRUTAL Ichi...

How do you take screens of just partner? (not whole screen) I can post mine

ur Noza is strong tho, but my Ichi is not to far behid and i didnt even unlock all stars

author: torment30 time: 2017-2-28 08:05:51

no sexy kukaku on the poll too bad

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-28 08:18:07

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 05:28
Nah, they are usually way more buffed than my Ichigo. They are just useless 1v1 and most of VG figh ...

Also vs noza in a 1v 1 your vg is completely useless and your only hope is to block and out heal him.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-28 08:20:18

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 07:44
How do you take screens of just partner? (not whole screen) I can post mine ur Noza is strong th ...

Also I use lightshot for the screen shot. Basically one you hit print screen button it freezes the screen and you highlight the area you want and it take a pic of that. Works pretty wel for bleach

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 08:49:31

trojandrew replied at 2017-2-28 08:18
Also vs noza in a 1v 1 your vg is completely useless and your only hope is to block and out heal h ...

lol, ichigo can attack, block & heal - noza can only block and eventually die vs a stacked vanguard or assulter.

heres my Ichi btw with Jizo zanpakuto https://snag.gy/YKLxFp.jpg

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-28 09:13:38

Edited by Miken97 at 2017-2-28 15:17

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 13:40
at lv 70 exclusive Noza might become superior to Ichigo, but i doubt there is a loot of freaks who ...

If chair-sama hasn't appeared I would be one od those freaks

and I'm pretty sure there are a lot of us

, it's just that it takes long time to get to lvl70 exclusive so you won't see many with exclusive skills but there are many vanguard stackers who try to get there. Also noza is stronger than h.ichigo, period. He gets more stats from exclusive+his hp mod is better (even if it is only 2%)+noza has hp bond while I believe that ichi doesn't have it and noza has hp regen from hyorin. Ichi's skill may be nice but in 1vs1 against noza, noza will just fossilize him and after 20 rounds fight will end with noza having more hp and thus winning fight

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-28 09:14:42

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 08:49
lol, ichigo can attack, block & heal - noza can only block and eventually die vs a stacked vanguard ...

Once noza uses his fury skill it's over in a 1v1. No vg can literally can do anything after that except block.

author: easymoney2906 time: 2017-2-28 09:30:20

Noza and all event vanguards are crap just get hollow ichigo guys

author: easymoney2906 time: 2017-2-28 09:34:09

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-28 09:13
If chair-sama hasn't appeared I would be one od those freaks and I'm pretty sure there are a lot ...

How can a vip 5 vanguard be better then tavren ichigo what are you talking about

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-28 09:36:25

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 07:44
How do you take screens of just partner? (not whole screen) I can post mine ur Noza is strong th ...

lightshot... google it

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 09:47:11

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-28 09:13
If chair-sama hasn't appeared I would be one od those freaks and I'm pretty sure there are a lot ...

Hp bond, wut?! hp is most useless thing in game, ichigo has aid-rate bond which is 100 times better (altrought i dont use it due to character limit). Swap out hp mods for block/damage rate/break def rate.

Better exclusive growth - sure, but red ichigo bas much better base stats and growth. Also as i said before, noza has a bit higher end-potential, but most people inc me dont want invest every resource to vanguard cuz some RJ, oetsu or any other multilate player will screw you up anyway. As for resonable VG that you can make without ruining rest of your team and still kickass - ichigo & maybe starrk fits that role best. Im not speaking about kukkaku & koma of course.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-28 09:51:31

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 09:47
Hp bond, wut?! hp is most useless thing in game, ichigo has aid-rate bond which is 100 times bette ...

Now you're just trying too hard to troll

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 10:35:32

trojandrew replied at 2017-2-28 09:51
Now you're just trying too hard to troll

please stfu, i didnt even reply to you.

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-28 10:39:07

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 15:47
Hp bond, wut?! hp is most useless thing in game, ichigo has aid-rate bond which is 100 times bette ...

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-28 10:40:22

trojandrew replied at 2017-2-28 15:51
Now you're just trying too hard to troll

But until 2 last replies it was very decent troll

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-28 10:49:17

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-28 10:40
But until 2 last replies it was very decent troll

That it was. "Hp the most useless thing in game" lol that one had me cracking up

author: trojandrew time: 2017-2-28 10:51:15

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 10:35
please stfu, i didnt even reply to you.

everuone was trying to help you and give you advice but you stubbornly want to believe hichigo is a god here. Yours may be good but we're just letting you know what's really out there.

author: thomaslon time: 2017-2-28 13:23:09

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 13:49
lol, ichigo can attack, block & heal - noza can only block and eventually die vs a stacked vanguard ...

Noza can only block?

350% skill dmg rate + 35% attack + 55% crit. rate for 2 rounds is not enough? If Ichi can attack, than Noza is a attack beast

He is great in pvp and a monster in pve..well balanced vang crushing H. Ichi in both pvp and pve..I cant see H. Ichi winning against Noza in 1v1 (ofc with same equip, stones, excl. skill etc.) Btw I was using H. Ichi and getting Noza was a great upgrade..

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 15:08:34

trojandrew replied at 2017-2-28 10:51
everuone was trying to help you and give you advice but you stubbornly want to believe hichigo is ...

i didnt ask for help, thats not my thread lol.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 15:24:13

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thomaslon replied at 2017-2-28 13:23
Noza can only block? 350% skill dmg rate + 35% attack + 55% crit. rate for 2 rounds is not enou ...

ok noza fanboi, if you think so.. fine.

author: chiko88soem time: 2017-2-28 15:52:02

what are you all talking about

#STARRK
#getSTARRK
#withSTARRKyoucantlose
#onedoesnotsimplybeatSTARRK

author: Autopsyst time: 2017-2-28 16:45:57

flame wars? i'd rather ask why Yoru didnt end up with Soi-Fon

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-2-28 17:10:35

The problem with Noza is he doesn't have a defense talent or bond, so he may have a lot of HP, but his defense is going to be lower than most other vanguards(and Mayuri). If you are using Hyorinmaru, the buffs from it will help Noza. So if you want an offensive vanguard get Noza, defensive get Ichibe(or Kukaku). Ichibe does need to have up to his 5th mod to show full potential, that is when he gets the 25% def mod and will have both of his hp mods.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-2-28 17:30:41

Ichibae <3

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-2-28 18:58:02

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 08:43
Im sorry for crushing Noza fanboi hype, but my tavern Ichigo with 1st phase exclusive skill & 4x blo ...

you havnt faced my noza lolll

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-2-28 19:01:53

Edited by LadyKyojin at 2017-3-1 00:10

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-28 12:42
My Noza is by no means amazing... but unless you have a BRUTAL Ichi...

hey nice noza if we showing off here mine also but i do think ichi will lose you ant compare 220% to noza 350% with crit and attack boost (fozzalise VG)which can be a one shot killer if i had hyron damn i be loving the the large 1.1mil hp heal per round but senbn and RJ will do me now till i get kukaku.
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author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-2-28 21:02:08

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author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 21:33:41

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-2-28 17:10
The problem with Noza is he doesn't have a defense talent or bond, so he may have a lot of HP, but h ...

Hey master Mayuri, can you teach me how to break that game?

No im just curious, how much def/hp do i need to tank void region? Saw your report some time ago.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-2-28 21:51:22

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 21:33
Hey master Mayuri, can you teach me how to break that game? No im just curious, how much def ...

Once I got to around 400k defense is when Mayuri started taking little damage that could be healed by Isane. Around 500k is when the healing wasn't really needed. So if you add 50% to that that would be 600k without Haschwalth for needing healing and 750k for little to no healing.

Kukaku is probably the only one that may be able to tank Yhwach. My Mayuri stays alive as long as Haschwalth is up. The enemies that target my supporters or the ones that target with the least HP do cause problems for Mayuri. He may be able to survive a round or 2 after Haschwalth dies, but when Yhwach uses his skill, he kills everyone.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 22:02:27

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-2-28 21:51
Once I got to around 400k defense is when Mayuri started taking little damage that could be healed ...

thank you, i guess i have a long road to go till 600k

Ps: is there a cheaper way to get extra def than Haschwalth?

author: RiadDahoe time: 2017-2-28 22:07:58

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-2-28 19:01
hey nice noza if we showing off here mine also but i do think ichi will lose you ant compare 220% t ...

damnnn nice Noza, here is mine....
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author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-2-28 22:13:10

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 22:02
thank you, i guess i have a long road to go till 600k Ps: is there a cheaper way to get extra de ...

The numbers I gave may still be too low, since Mayuri has the special reincarnation effect of taking less damage from all sources(called Soul Power).

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 22:49:42

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-2-28 22:13
The numbers I gave may still be too low, since Mayuri has the special reincarnation effect of taki ...

Well thats the least problem

But thanks for info, i didnt do advanced reincarnation yet - cant decide on whom i should do it.

Also sorry for bothering you again, but cant Noble Isane replace Haschwalth? She give only 20% def, but it will work on vanguard aswell.

author: zealvioxs time: 2017-2-28 23:09:42

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 07:44
How do you take screens of just partner? (not whole screen) I can post mine ur Noza is strong th ...

Damn, that make a huge different LOL

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-2-28 23:10:59

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 22:49
Well thats the least problem But thanks for info, i didnt do advanced reincarnation yet - cant ...

If her skill gave back 100 fury instead of 50, she would fit in perfectly with my team. Normal Isane would give 50% attack rate, Noble Isane give 70% damage rate plus 20% def and Haschwalth give 50% def. Since it only gives 50, she would need to keep her hit stones on to use her skill more than once. Since her skill is an attack all, she would die from all the blocks. Using her in VR like I do with Haschwalth could work, just using her for the defense mod and remove hit stones.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-2-28 23:15:24

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-2-28 23:10
If her skill gave back 100 fury instead of 50, she would fit in perfectly with my team. Normal Is ...

eh i never thought about block, gota wait with that my plan than. thank you.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-2-28 23:24:33

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 23:15
eh i never thought about block, gota wait with that my plan than. thank you.

Her skill gives damage rate and combo rate, the defense comes from a mod, so the defense buff is active as long as she is alive. If she is T1, she could use her skill 1 time without hit stones and not be blocked to death. She wouldn't get any fury after that when she misses normal attacks.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-3-1 07:13:33

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-2-28 19:01
hey nice noza if we showing off here mine also but i do think ichi will lose you ant compare 220% t ...

good looking, but honestly, for Sexy K.... I still think Human K is the better choice

author: trojandrew time: 2017-3-1 10:51:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-3-1 07:13
good looking, but honestly, for Sexy K.... I still think Human K is the better choice

I feel that's also pvp (human k) vs pve (sexy k) since mutilate is a big factor.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-3-1 12:50:33

trojandrew replied at 2017-3-1 10:51
I feel that's also pvp (human k) vs pve (sexy k) since mutilate is a big factor.

my only issue with Sexy K in PVE... Noza is better in every case that I personally have come across... Sexy K is the better vang defensibly speaking, but Noza still seems able to output more raw damage (unless you are a top dog and tanking the f*ck out of Void or something crazy like that)

author: MajorPain time: 2017-3-1 15:21:57

I wonder how Bankai Kenpachi will shape up in the VG world... especially against Human Kumamura or Kukaku... Anyone have Bankai Kenpachi yet?

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-3-1 19:14:15

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-3-1 12:13
good looking, but honestly, for Sexy K.... I still think Human K is the better choice

thanks man yours will come along soon just keep at it,

sexy k will be better for me then human k i looked at both of them and sexy k got more point for my build and for pve i will still use my noza that does 2.3mil per skill not including damage rate or increase attack and crits that just base attack.

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-3-1 19:40:26

RiadDahoe replied at 2017-3-1 03:07
damnnn nice Noza, here is mine....

nice break defence on your noza dude once you get the next gear up he truly will shine which zank you using ? a guy on my server with hyron and noza his noza bp is like 2,2mil lol i show you his if you like.

only issue i have with mine is i gain 280k hp back compare to his noza and hyron 1.3mil hp regen hence why im planning to get sexy k otherwise i would use my demon ichi but noza chaos blocks me using skill to regain hp.

author: RiadDahoe time: 2017-3-1 21:00:31

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-3-1 19:40
nice break defence on your noza dude once you get the next gear up he truly will shine which zank ...

damnnn... 1.3 mil HP regen , he prob has max fortify on his zanpakto ...... sexy K is a beast .... would be nic eupgrade from Noza 4 sure...

author: [email protected] time: 2017-3-4 14:39:13

They are both trash.. Who the fuck uses a tank in regular PVE? huh? Void is the only time u need one..

author: DarthEdge time: 2017-3-7 11:10:57

[email protected] replied at 2017-2-28 09:47
Hp bond, wut?! hp is most useless thing in game, ichigo has aid-rate bond which is 100 times bette ...

My team is made of Senjumaru, Hikifune, Oetsu, main, and Noza. My noza, even without hyorinmaru, has 5.5m hp and with hyorinmaru has 6m hp and has the lvl 50 zan healing bonus. If you could beat my Noza in a 1v1 then I would be very impressed by your hollow ichigo. My noza isn't the focus of my team either, just someone to tank some hits while oetsu cleans up with dmg boosts. If you want I wan post images on my team roster later.

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