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author: haroon001    time: 2017-3-14 02:36:17     Title: MINAZUKI VS KATEN VS JAKKA

Hi Guys,

I am having a hard time deciding between the 3, need your help, with pros and cons and your personal views.

Just in case any of you wondering my current zan is Mura and my current formation is

Raijin(T1)             Main
                                               Noza
Hiki(T1)                 B.renji(T1)

My planned future formation

Raijin(T1)                Main
                               Chair Aizen(T1) 50% there to getting him
Hiki(T1)                   Ywach(T1) got him from rent right now working on him

I need for both pve and pvp.
author: Brahmastra    time: 2017-3-14 04:05:20

Tensa - Most balanced
Katen - PVE King
RJ - PVP King and Void
Mina - Failed RJ Counter
author: enzigne    time: 2017-3-14 05:21:38

God Jakka all the way, just too broken to pass up.
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2017-3-14 10:12:45

how come people are mad about Mina?  cheaper than RJ, and for sure has a lot of promise in PVP and in some PVE as well
author: DRAGULIA    time: 2017-3-14 10:28:08

Brahmastra replied at 2017-3-14 04:05
Tensa - Most balanced
Katen - PVE King
RJ - PVP King and Void

failed RJ counter ...lolzz priceless..
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-3-14 11:32:36

Mina will be good for 3-1-1 formation but jakka still takes the cake right now
author: Devvoke2    time: 2017-3-14 14:42:36

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author: Zento-Hazashi    time: 2017-3-14 18:41:07

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-3-14 15:12
how come people are mad about Mina?  cheaper than RJ, and for sure has a lot of promise in PVP and i ...

Probably because the way it was made looked like it's supposed to defend against damage over time and high defence formations

Which immediately links to going against Ryujin Jakka, but the skill of Minazuki fails to counter Ryujin if you were to go first with it, as you only reduce their current def by 50%. You are definitely going to first with this Zanpakuto too due to it's speed buffs/debuffs. Ryujin would skill  after and just get it's defence back

so with it's skill being completely pvp and in that area. All it does is heal too lol, not a clear debuff or anything.

So either way, in a high level fight from just zanpakuto alone, if Ryujin goes first they're going to be 'winning' (Unless they're against a full on defensive team surrounded with high immune rate and constant heals). And if Ryujin goes second they're 'winning'

And overall yeah, should have offered a bit more as a new zanpakuto. It offers nothing in the PVE department in comparison to Katen, Tensa or Ryujin, other than % stat changes, and it's PVP aspects are underwhelming to what's already out, so now only specific formations can run this zanpakuto and work well with it ^^
author: mayuri1177    time: 2017-3-14 19:01:21

I voted for RJ.  Your current team would work well with Katen.  Hiki has bond for crit damage with Katen.  The team you want with Muken Aizen and Yhwach would be a shift towards an assaulter heavy formation, so RJ fits that better.  Minazuki is a supporter heavy zanpakuto.
author: ohmyvenus    time: 2017-3-14 19:17:36

vote for mina 50% def debuff byee kukaku bye jugram
author: haroon001    time: 2017-3-15 00:55:57

Thanks guys for some good advice, i am leaning towards katen between jakka and katen coz of her being good in pve.
author: DRAGULIA    time: 2017-3-15 09:31:04

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-3-14 14:42
not priceless 30k top up fool

hhmmm .. was talking about Brahs comment that they missed the mark on minazuki being a jakka counter..foolish fool
author: Devvoke2    time: 2017-3-15 10:17:33

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author: ichmkami    time: 2017-3-16 02:44:54

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-3-14 10:12
how come people are mad about Mina?  cheaper than RJ, and for sure has a lot of promise in PVP and i ...

Yo man I have a question,  does the 160% increase in crit damage means that my crit damage will be 310% ( since the default is 150%) or will  it become 160% instead or 150%
author: Miken97    time: 2017-3-16 03:57:14

ichmkami replied at 2017-3-16 08:44
Yo man I have a question,  does the 160% increase in crit damage means that my crit damage will be ...

If it was second option then katen's skill would be pretty useless, don't you think?
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2017-3-16 11:08:11

ichmkami replied at 2017-3-16 02:44
Yo man I have a question,  does the 160% increase in crit damage means that my crit damage will be ...

I'd wager option 1, but truthfully I'm not sure
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-3-16 13:58:34

It's option 1. Although it's really only good for pve and the fist shot in pvp if you're fast enough. Jaka really is worth the extra bit if you're aiming for Katen.
author: chronoje    time: 2017-3-16 23:40:02

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-3-14 10:12
how come people are mad about Mina?  cheaper than RJ, and for sure has a lot of promise in PVP and i ...

That's because his skill is good only for pvp. Not good for increasing damage for Ryoka/ES.
Jakka is still godly pvp/pve.
author: Zera    time: 2017-3-17 06:28:16

Brahmastra replied at 2017-3-14 09:05
Tensa - Most balanced
Katen - PVE King
RJ - PVP King and Void

This is the best description possible for the best zanpakutos available.
Those that manage to own them can definitely adapt to different situations quickly
author: DRAGULIA    time: 2017-3-17 06:52:11

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-3-15 10:17
i know i was making a joke too taking teh comment literally

you dont work for them "yet" ..lolzz
author: Devvoke2    time: 2017-3-17 08:11:05

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author: Devvoke2    time: 2017-3-17 08:12:33

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author: Miken97    time: 2017-3-17 08:54:57

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-3-17 14:12
half teh crap the game gives you is useless ......

the compensation

things for which you had to pay 40k gold aren't useless tho, unless it's bambietta
author: Devvoke2    time: 2017-3-17 19:27:44

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author: [email protected]    time: 2017-3-19 15:05:06

i can buy RJ in like 8 or 9 months. i get hes great in PvP but how good is he in PvE i mean with ES/Ryoka?
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-22 01:12:32

[email protected] replied at 2017-3-19 13:05
i can buy RJ in like 8 or 9 months. i get hes great in PvP but how good is he in PvE i mean with ES/ ...

crap, he is totally useless in PvE. Katen ftw.
author: mayuri1177    time: 2017-3-22 02:09:57

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-22 01:12
crap, he is totally useless in PvE. Katen ftw.

Katen is better for ES and supporter heavy formations(Zero Division), but is very bad in Void Region(can't crit them).  RJ is better for assaulter heavy formations and Void Region.
author: ichmkami    time: 2017-3-22 02:13:03

Miken97 replied at 2017-3-16 03:57
If it was second option then katen's skill would be pretty useless, don't you think?

Yaas but if 1st is true then the fury givers should like t1 the entire team members XD
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-22 03:01:14

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-3-22 00:09
Katen is better for ES and supporter heavy formations(Zero Division), but is very bad in Void Regi ...

Katen is better for ES and Ryoka, of course void isnt as good, but who cares. Ryujin is heavy PvP base. It's an event that's made to force top players and give them another reason to get Ryujin Jakka. But overall Katen is better for PvE in terms of damage, especially with zero div supporters, if you know how to take adv of them, even Assaulter heavy formation works just as well.
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-3-22 07:08:28

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-22 02:01
Katen is better for ES and Ryoka, of course void isnt as good, but who cares.  Ryujin is heavy P ...

I use 2-3-0 pve and 2-2-1 for pvp. atm i use Sogyo pve and Hyori pvp. an trying to get better in pvp
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-22 14:39:50

[email protected] replied at 2017-3-22 05:08
I use 2-3-0 pve and 2-2-1 for pvp. atm i use Sogyo pve and Hyori pvp. an trying to get better in p ...

Katen is good for both PvE and PvP depends if you are able to bring the fullest out of it.
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-3-22 14:51:58

If I got he I can't make it that good. RJ would be better with CSB & HMA an VR. I can do 14% - 18% per hit to es an can solo ryoka to wave 21-25 basically just me on the sevet.
author: haroon001    time: 2017-3-24 02:10:30

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-22 14:39
Katen is good for both PvE and PvP depends if you are able to bring the fullest out of it.

yo sai its me konno lol
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-24 02:19:43

[email protected] replied at 2017-3-22 12:51
If I got he I can't make it that good. RJ would be better with CSB & HMA an VR. I can do 14% - 18% p ...

Katen can increase your damage in Ryoka and ES. CSB wouldnt be a problem with Katen if you set your team right. HMA is almost the same as CSB. Void is the only thing that's benefit from having Ryujin, but then again, only if you have the right partners.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-24 02:23:10

haroon001 replied at 2017-3-24 00:10
yo sai its me konno lol

Hi konno
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-3-24 07:51:36

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-24 01:19
Katen can increase your damage in Ryoka and ES. CSB wouldnt be a problem with Katen if you set you ...

so your saying Katen is better then RJ, how is Katen supposed to beat an RJ user?? from what i've read and seen from battle reports RJ will Beat Katen 99% of the time. uless some how katen is faster then the rj user if lucky enough to kill them b4 they can attack
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-24 13:38:28

[email protected] replied at 2017-3-24 05:51
so your saying Katen is better then RJ, how is Katen supposed to beat an RJ user?? from what i've  ...

I am a Katen user. Katen is more PvE than PvP because of destructive power. Ryujin has more cc. But that doesnt mean Katen is weak in PvP, you need to know how to use your team well. Katen and Ryujin has their advantage. But if I were to pick, I will still go for Katen anytime. Don't just believe what you read on forum, understand the game is more important. For me, I beat Ryujin users all the time, but I have to admit, they are pain in the butt.
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-3-24 14:25:30

Well I don't know much on Karen or Rj. RJ would help in void where I mainly get exl frags
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-28 02:19:34

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-24 23:38
I am a Katen user. Katen is more PvE than PvP because of destructive power. Ryujin has more cc. Bu ...

So it'd be more beneficial for someone to get Katen right now than Ryujin in 8 months?(formation including hiki and nimaiya with mediocre assaulter line)
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-28 23:36:43

[email protected] replied at 2017-3-24 12:25
Well I don't know much on Karen or Rj. RJ would help in void where I mainly get exl frags

Well, they dont always give out Exclusive Frags.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-28 23:38:31

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-28 00:19
So it'd be more beneficial for someone to get Katen right now than Ryujin in 8 months?(formation in ...

I would say Katen's PvE will still do more damage than Ryujin. Not sure about 8 months down the road. Zero div partners still own till now even with orange partners.
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-29 02:37:28

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-29 09:38
I would say Katen's PvE will still do more damage than Ryujin. Not sure about 8 months down the ro ...

So it'd be for someone to get Katen before the 8 months and build the team around that, get more from it in the 8 months than jakka would after the 8 months.
Katen's lovely for Pve, and beastly for pvp still if you have right team for it to cater to.
Did I get anything wrong?
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-29 05:39:02

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-29 00:37
So it'd be for someone to get Katen before the 8 months and build the team around that, get more f ...

your 2nd part is basically what I said lol.

Katen is still good without that 8 months thing.
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-29 08:01:42

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-29 15:39
your 2nd part is basically what I said lol.

Katen is still good without that 8 months thing.

Aight.
So if I have a hiki nimaiya shura noza, then that'd greatly benefit from a katen.
not 100% though, since i can only get one partner t1.
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-3-29 08:36:52

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-29 08:01
Aight.
So if I have a hiki nimaiya shura noza, then that'd greatly benefit from a katen.
not 100%  ...

I wouldn't use noza if you go katen. Stick to a 2-3-0 or a 3-2-0 formation to maximize pve dmg.

Go with what your server does. For me I use rj and have no trouble pve nor pvp.

But I build my team around it with a good van. Katen users want speed if they plan on doing anything pvp wise bc if you run into rj you gotta hit them first.  And even then it's no guarantee.
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-29 09:05:24

Edited by Asian123 at 2017-3-29 19:06
trojandrew replied at 2017-3-29 18:36
I wouldn't use noza if you go katen. Stick to a 2-3-0 or a 3-2-0 formation to maximize pve dmg.

G ...

Who to run with katen if I remove Noza?
I have 176.8% block on him rn with hyorin 50 50 50 fortified, the block helps a lot.
My assaulters are pretty shit rn. Muken should be great with katen though.
dk about a 3rd assaulter. Would a brenji do?
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-3-29 09:22:19

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-29 09:05
Who to run with katen if I remove Noza?
I have 176.8% block on him rn with hyorin 50 50 50 fortifie ...

Ya brenji would really shine with Katen. You could even swap your nozas gear with shura so he'd still have high block since he can break 90%. You can even swap a support for cute ori to give fury block and dmg to your assualters.
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-29 12:25:23

trojandrew replied at 2017-3-29 19:22
Ya brenji would really shine with Katen. You could even swap your nozas gear with shura so he'd st ...

meh, I can't get him for money.. only from ubp.
so not much of a priority
Nimaiya's got damage rate. cute isn't modded much
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-3-29 12:36:13

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-29 12:25
meh, I can't get him for money.. only from ubp.
so not much of a priority
Nimaiya's got damage ra ...

Was just tossing ideas out for cute for the block buff and fury gain. You'll just have to think of ways to make your team around Katen  DeEmEn has a pretty strong setup so he might have more insight. If you get RJ I can lend more experience
author: valyhotul    time: 2017-3-29 12:36:56

zanpakutos are good if you have a good team, sometimes you can win with a less powerfull zanpakuto
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-29 15:28:48

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-29 06:01
Aight.
So if I have a hiki nimaiya shura noza, then that'd greatly benefit from a katen.
not 100%  ...

get senju too senju is amazing.
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-30 05:20:44

trojandrew replied at 2017-3-29 22:36
Was just tossing ideas out for cute for the block buff and fury gain. You'll just have to think of ...

I see.
No rj happening. Thanks anyway. ^^
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-30 05:21:20

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-30 01:28
get senju too  senju is amazing.

Nah lol.
Too many brenjis in my server.
And with strong as fudge vanguards too.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-30 16:49:58

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-30 03:21
Nah lol.
Too many brenjis in my server.
And with strong as fudge vanguards too.

not when your hiki goes first
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-31 00:25:35

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-31 02:49
not when your hiki goes first

He told me to get senju.
I wouldn't be making my hiki faster than my senju since I can get only one partner t1.
author: DeEmEn    time: 2017-3-31 02:57:32

Asian123 replied at 2017-3-30 22:25
He told me to get senju.
I wouldn't be making my hiki faster than my senju since I can get only on ...

should get more fury stones then
author: andreo093    time: 2017-3-31 06:57:57

And Minazuki get big nerf :/
SP +670 / now 270
KA +670 / now 270
HP +1400 / now 700
author: elenixantom    time: 2017-3-31 08:29:38

Edited by elenixantom at 2017-3-31 08:46

If you gonna go for 1-1-3 formation then Minazuki may be just slightly better.

For other formations, its still RJ...
author: SLNPWNZ    time: 2017-3-31 08:33:50

elenixantom replied at 2017-3-31 16:29
If you gonna go for 1-3-3 formation then Minazuki may be just slightly better.

For other formations ...

"for 1-3-3 formation"
u w0t mate?
author: elenixantom    time: 2017-3-31 08:47:16

SLNPWNZ replied at 2017-3-31 08:33
"for 1-3-3 formation"
u w0t mate?

dude dont expose me pls.

I just hacked the game and started to use a 1-3-3 formation

Naaa its 1-1-3.. Dont be excited
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-3-31 09:07:28

andreo093 replied at 2017-3-31 06:57
And Minazuki get big nerf :/
SP +670 / now 270
KA +670 / now 270

minas too cheap to be op duh. They had to fix that
author: Asian123    time: 2017-3-31 13:11:05

DeEmEn replied at 2017-3-31 12:57
should get more fury stones then

That's difficult..even with reio. 6 months are needed.
author: andreo093    time: 2017-4-1 04:12:45

Edited by andreo093 at 2017-4-1 04:58

yee but first i need 3 good supports

When I bought Minazuki his stats were good not only for supporters

i have Mugetsu with 800k speed and Kiro with 500k speed now
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-5 07:01:26

dam right jakka is the win all kill all zan a guy with half your bp can beat you with jakka. the cheapest zan ever in gogames history
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-5 10:14:37

ohmyvenus replied at 2017-3-14 19:17
vote for mina 50% def debuff byee kukaku bye jugram

man, i use jakka myself and against a guy with mina, i barely even lose any hp, jakka is just to broken rn, maybe later on with more partners like byama or muken with immune to mutilate mod jakka will be less powerful, but as of rn, jakka is most broken op char we have
author: ohmyvenus    time: 2017-6-5 11:18:07

[email protected] replied at 2017-6-5 10:14
man, i use jakka myself and against a guy with mina, i barely even lose any hp, jakka is just to b ...

later u will know why mina good too, ur opponent doesnt maximize mina potential
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-6 05:29:48

ohmyvenus replied at 2017-6-5 11:18
later u will know why mina good too, ur opponent doesnt maximize mina potential

no, that guy uses a 1-1-3 formation, but against a jakka and stacked van he just doesnt survive
author: ohmyvenus    time: 2017-6-6 07:49:36

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-6 05:29
no, that guy uses a 1-1-3 formation, but against a jakka and stacked van he just doesnt survive

muken stack + kuka stack mina vs rj kuka+muken stack ...those who hv mina win
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-6 11:13:19

ohmyvenus replied at 2017-6-6 07:49
muken stack + kuka stack mina vs rj kuka+muken stack ...those who hv mina win

ya, hes losing to my rj and noza, no kukaku needed. and no muken yet for either of us. for mina to work you have to be faster and if you have a muken he has to survive your support hits.
author: ohmyvenus    time: 2017-6-6 11:45:57

Edited by ohmyvenus at 2017-6-6 11:47
trojandrew replied at 2017-6-6 11:13
ya, hes losing to my rj and noza, no kukaku needed. and no muken yet for either of us. for mina to ...

support cant kill muken stack, muken can hv 10m hp lol and advanced rein luck
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-6 13:32:21

ohmyvenus replied at 2017-6-6 11:45
support cant kill muken stack, muken can hv 10m hp lol and advanced rein luck

Yes. A support can kill a stacked muken. I don't see where you get your info from
author: hirotenzan    time: 2017-6-6 13:48:04

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-6 13:32
Yes. A support can kill a stacked muken. I don't see where you get your info from

CN none support can kill muken 10m hp max damage around 35% of hp
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-6 14:46:04

hirotenzan replied at 2017-6-6 13:48
CN none support can kill muken 10m hp max damage around 35% of hp

Well that's one maxed muken. Well on the us servers I think we're fine for now
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-7 11:23:50

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-6 14:46
Well that's one maxed muken. Well on the us servers I think we're fine for now

u should check nix's muken. and as for hayase, he uses 1-2-2, and muken with mina is useless, he needs that deff from rj
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-7 12:07:44

[email protected] replied at 2017-6-7 11:23
u should check nix's muken. and as for hayase, he uses 1-2-2, and muken with mina is useless, he n ...


lol i dont even get a chance to face his muken lol. as for hayase, he usually goes down to my hiki so i dont really notice his formation (he hasnt build up his supp speed in a while)
author: firemaster33    time: 2017-6-7 13:58:59

We all love RJ the others are just for show ...maybe RJ will appear in UBP like Tensa did.
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-7 20:21:52

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-7 12:07
lol i dont even get a chance to face his muken lol. as for hayase, he usually goes down to my hik ...

he stopped after he got mina idk why
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-7 21:17:26

[email protected] replied at 2017-6-7 20:21
he stopped after he got mina idk why

i think he started investing into his van, dont know when he'll go back to his sups but i think we'll know once he gets fast again lol
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-7 21:35:52

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-7 21:17
i think he started investing into his van, dont know when he'll go back to his sups but i think we ...

oh he aint , he just upgrating accessories, he got full set 140 on almost all chars, he got em with the rebate from mina, and thats whats boositn his bp, but other than that aint much he has to do, he has full lv 12 set of agi on both supps so no more speed on that. all he can do is exclusive and hyogus
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-7 21:52:56

[email protected] replied at 2017-6-7 21:35
oh he aint , he just upgrating accessories, he got full set 140 on almost all chars, he got em wit ...

thats pretty much all i can do too. dont think my hikis going to get any faster unfortunately ><. dont know if i can even get a faster more usefull supp thats not orange since theyre so expensive
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-8 20:25:55

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-7 21:52
thats pretty much all i can do too. dont think my hikis going to get any faster unfortunately >

MAN WITH 100% rebate its a piece of cake, u can get an orange for 15k top up tops, u just gotta top up in the right events
author: trojandrew    time: 2017-6-10 01:57:08

[email protected] replied at 2017-6-8 20:25
MAN WITH 100% rebate its a piece of cake, u can get an orange for 15k top up tops, u just gotta to ...

im trying, im just doing the minimum top up for the most amount events, since i dont like dropping 100$ at a time... its not xmas every week lol
author: [email protected]    time: 2017-6-10 22:38:28

trojandrew replied at 2017-6-10 01:57
im trying, im just doing the minimum top up for the most amount events, since i dont like dropping ...

lol, i feel ya man, i aint spendin more than 50$ anymore either




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