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author: -___-    time: 2014-12-18 14:27:14     Title: Komamura or Nnoitra

Almost lvl 90 and i'm still running with Sado,my formation is 1-2-2 Main(Ghost Blade),Ikkaku,Orihime,Yoruichi and Sado.
I know i should have changed him long ago,so i'm wonderind should i get him now or go for Nnoitra?

author: -___-    time: 2014-12-18 14:29:54

Don't mind 3rd chose i added it accidentaly.And sorry for gramatical errors.
author: [email protected]    time: 2014-12-18 14:33:01

of course komamurarmaruaramrauramruararaurmaru
author: -___-    time: 2014-12-18 14:36:50

[email protected] replied at 2014-12-18 13:33
of course komamurarmaruaramrauramruararaurmaru

Form what i know Komamura haves aditional 45% of def,this sure it's good but if main dies after 10th skill what can do an vanguard alone?Isn't Nnoitra a better help since of inmune rate to assaulters?
author: -___-    time: 2014-12-18 15:59:18

[email protected] replied at 2014-12-18 14:36
he is useless..
U choose either koma or stark

Nnoitra's stats are higher than Koma's(except def),so I thought that he'll be better than Koma. About Starkk I don't think I can wait another 10 lvls...So guess I'll go for Koma. Thanks for helping.
author: lmavenl    time: 2014-12-19 06:49:24

Edited by lmavenl at 2014-12-19 03:50

Sajin Komamura because he is one of the tankiest vanguard that you can equip so far & with the right stones & stats. you'll make him harder and will help you have a higher survive rate.
In fact you should have recruited him earlier.I suggest(still depends on you):
Stones: Dfensive Vanguard: STR, WIS, STA, Counter, Block, Dodge
Equip refine recommendation:
Vanguard: STR + WIS + Block rate or STR + WIS + hit rate

author: lmavenl    time: 2014-12-19 06:54:04

Edited by lmavenl at 2014-12-19 04:00
-___- replied at 2014-12-18 11:36
Form what i know Komamura haves aditional 45% of def,this sure it's good but if main dies after 10 ...

Sajin Komamura increases his defense by 30% for 3 rounds. With this HP buff that is hard to do when you equip your vanguard with the right stones and stats. unless your fighting an opponent who has a much higher BP & has big difference in BP between you.
author: -___-    time: 2014-12-19 07:33:47

lmavenl replied at 2014-12-19 05:54
Sajin Komamura increases his defense by 30% for 3 rounds. With this HP buff that is hard to do when ...

Thanks for helping.Sajin is able to pump his defense both physical and strategy up to 45% more,because of:
Talent: increase 15% physical defense and 15% strategy defense
Skill: attack enemy vanguard, growth rate 140%, increase self physical defense and strategy defense by 30%
author: marold    time: 2014-12-20 00:31:59

Edited by marold at 2014-12-19 23:33

If u were able to play until lvl 90 with sado/Yachiru, Nnoitra can be very usefull like sajin was at lvl 70.

The good point of Nnoitra are :

- Bag of Hp.
- Ability to give aid to assaulters (very usefull with good tactics)
- All mods usefull for defense.

Bad point: Need a long time to upgrade his mods. Can gain only 9 point by day. But if u're able to reach mod 4....  Yami!

Saijin sametimes, is a very good tank.
Have very good mod too (but a little worst than Nnoitra, and don't have the stun ability when being attack like Nnoitra)
He surely can gain more special point  for mod, evry day, but cannot tel u how many. I don't play with him.

And as -___-  says before. In midgame. The problem in a fight is less "How your vanguard survive?", but more "How u can prevent damage on u're other partner..." Especialy, assaulters ones who are u're damage dealer.

Having the tankiest vanguard is not very usefull... Having a tank who can prevent damage (like Nnoitra, with his fury ability and mod 4 ability) can make a great difference.

And for spirit stone u will choose first : Dodge/Block/Counter/Strength/Stamina and Hit stone.
For equipment refine better to choose Dodge/Counter and block . Not exactly the same as Komamura as u can see.
author: -___-    time: 2014-12-20 09:32:57

marold replied at 2014-12-19 23:31
If u were able to play until lvl 90 with sado/Yachiru, Nnoitra can be very usefull like sajin was at ...

Thanks for help!
Btw,what do u mean by "-Bag of HP"?
I'm a f2p player,so spirit stones is a bit of problem for me.But i can provide on my VG some lvl 6+- stones of Dodge/Block/Counter/Stamina and some of 5 Strenght/Hit
author: Leitzur    time: 2014-12-21 22:26:26

-___- replied at 2014-12-20 08:32
Thanks for help!
Btw,what do u mean by "-Bag of HP"?
I'm a f2p player,so spirit stones is a bit of ...

It means nnoitra HP is high since his talent is increasing max HP

when I change my sado into komamura, I don't really satisfied with koma (except fighting those who have higher rate of break defense & espada fights), because my sado blocks a lot and takes damage lower than koma who rarely blocks eventhough his defense is a bit better than sado

dunno why people like using koma a lot, I think I like nnoitra better, high HP makes him difficult to kill, and I see more and more ppl using nnoitra now.
author: zackkerr13    time: 2014-12-22 16:19:00

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author: -___-    time: 2014-12-23 06:21:22

Leitzur replied at 2014-12-21 21:26
It means nnoitra HP is high since his talent is increasing max HP

when I change my sado into komam ...

Thanks for help!I will  look once more at them once i will hit lvl90.
author: -___-    time: 2014-12-23 06:23:39

zackkerr13 replied at 2014-12-22 15:19
if ppls use ikkaku komomura useless

he can still use his defence bost in the next round,when ikkaku won't have enough fury for his skill
author: boybawang    time: 2015-1-5 00:35:52

Noitora my pick !
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-5 03:05:57

Fox face is great but Noitora is better if you fully mod him
author: KHONHAX    time: 2015-1-5 06:16:59

-___- replied at 2014-12-23 13:23
he can still use his defence bost in the next round,when ikkaku won't have enough fury for his ski ...

Not if you deduct more than 50 fury =P
author: lmavenl    time: 2015-1-20 02:38:51

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-1-5 00:05
Fox face is great but Noitora is better if you fully mod him

I agree especially in PVP wise.
author: gwapoichigo    time: 2015-2-4 07:53:29

KOMAMURA hahahaga
author: mansonloo    time: 2015-2-14 23:37:28

I'm in the same situation as OP. Still using sado and I just hit lvl 80. Like some said, in PvP wise, I saw through others who uses koma, that he is sometimes weaker than my sado. Koma being a vanguard will never go first, meaning his defense will be low. After my assaulters and support skilled on him, he is barely surviving. So I think I'm gonna hang on another 10 levels and then get nnoitra gilga for his overall defensive buffs for the whole team.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-2-15 08:18:07

I know this is off topic.. but you may also consider shinji..

Here is my shinji.. however he's a offensive tank

http://forums.gogames.me/thread-3258-4-1.html
author: -___-    time: 2015-2-16 13:57:20

Edited by -___- at 2015-2-16 13:00


My koma at lvl 92 is a little bit more powerfull
my stones are still mehh...i'm f2p after all,but i'm trying
author: dandyr    time: 2015-2-20 14:26:32

Problem with Nnoitra is that for his skill you need speed for it to be usefull, i think fully mod he's better. But before 4th mod he's weaker then sajin
author: mansonloo    time: 2015-3-2 08:18:30

-___- replied at 2015-2-16 12:57
My koma at lvl 92 is a little bit more powerfull
my stones are still mehh...i'm f2p after all,but ...

How the hell can a f2p get ultimate gears? Hmmm... Please teach me
author: Eilisa    time: 2015-3-2 11:16:01

Edited by Eilisa at 2015-3-2 10:21
mansonloo replied at 2015-3-2 07:18
How the hell can a f2p get ultimate gears? Hmmm... Please teach me

luck on reio event and the old ultimate library used to give one free piece is saved fragments till last day
author: Judge_Spawn    time: 2015-3-2 13:30:43

I would love to know too. he has 2pieces.
author: Eilisa    time: 2015-3-2 17:35:44

Judge_Spawn replied at 2015-3-2 12:30
I would love to know too. he has 2pieces.

probably from old Ultimate library event you used to be able to get one piece of lv80 for free during the event if you saved the fragments you got daily.
author: Leitzur    time: 2015-3-21 11:32:02

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-3 05:35
probably from old Ultimate library event you used to be able to get one piece of lv80 for free dur ...

maybe we can got it now too? lv80 ulti sets are reappearing
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-5-12 17:04:26

Komamura makes the best tank til Ichigo if you are low vip. His defense in unmatched, I have him (I use Ichigo tho) even though I am lvl 120 and he' still useful in some occasions. Nnoitra only redeemable feature is  his stun mod and that not even very impressive IMO. Koma all the way~
author: SosaRey    time: 2015-5-12 18:54:48

[email protected] replied at 2015-5-12 17:04
Komamura makes the best tank til Ichigo if you are low vip. His defense in unmatched, I have him (I  ...

What do you mean by low vip?  I'm vip4 is that low?  Also, what about stark.  Would stark be better than sajin? Everybody , and I mean everybody in my server that is level 100 has stark.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-5-15 14:37:21

SosaRey replied at 2015-5-12 17:54
What do you mean by low vip?  I'm vip4 is that low?  Also, what about stark.  Would stark be bette ...

yea vip 6 and lower is low. Stark is very good on the offensive side of things. Still not quite Ichigo's or Sajin's level when it comes to defense tho. On thing that Incigo and Stark has that is really great is the regen of hp from skills.
author: Itachi_Kenpachi    time: 2015-5-21 06:55:40

I believe that with three assaulters Nnoitra is better, so much to PVP as to PVE
author: pavan93    time: 2015-8-11 10:26:15

go with gilga
author: minato534    time: 2015-12-14 17:58:50

http://prntscr.com/9e8vgf my sajin is lvl 84 and his very good dont go with nnoritora he isnt that good even if you lvl his T4 is nothing because he has 20% of chanse
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-12-30 12:39:41

if you recruit Nnoitra it will be almost useless as it will die quickly and vanguard have to hold enemy attacks
author: gogeta654321    time: 2016-1-4 09:27:55

Edited by gogeta654321 at 2016-1-4 19:32

What does i think of vanguard is this:

As we know that in our whole team (it does not only include me it includes everyone in game)Vanguard has best hp i mean highest. Almost 2 times if we check every character. There is only 3 ways this can go

1) Full defensive or the attack taker i mean check kommamura
2) Prevent damage to other characters like nnoitora gilga and hollow ichigo too
3) Offensive or damage dealer vanguard. you already know about it. shinji and starrk are examples of it

so as i said vanguard has most hp of all the team, So if we can make him offensive ( in other words i am talking about offensive vanguard like shinji starrk or for top up guys TSI) then he will last long and can deal more damage. its simple. if you can't make him offensive due to Spirit stones or any other reasons then second best option is to focus on your assulter if you want to  because many of people are f2p so they more focus on assulters and if you use preventing damage vanguard, then they can last longer and can kill opponents faster. Many people use this technique of focusing on assulters but they use kommamura or defensive vanguard which has no point at all. because as the game is advancing , even lv 70 guys can attack other than the vanguard so its pointless to make a one man army vanguard i.e kommamura in this case. if you can survive him more, there is no point. Because if he can survive, he can only attack vanguard and doesnt have enough attack or kill him at all. yes he can make your team survive for first round but after that there is no benefit. Please dont say anything like " if your vanguard cant skill before their enemies , he is of no use so offensive vanguard needs speed". Come on ..... Kommamura needs speed too for his skill of 30% defence. Sorry i didnt said that before but this post is not for idiots or 8 years old kids. if you cant understand this and you are a kommamura lover plz leave it or challenge me if i am wrong. this has gone for long that " shall i get shinji or kommamura or hollow ichigo or starrk" blah blah
author: faracorn    time: 2016-3-13 18:21:21

Sajin is one of the heavier tank in the game he is wall but nothing more he cant help at all your assaulter
Noitra from the other way he is utility tank cause he gives aid rate to your assaulters and that save asses, he has that anoying mod with stun proc from some reason is more than 20% believe it or not he has probably the most life in the vanguards ( i dont know about Noza). hes bond are really good 10% def and 13.8% block . and i saw his evolution(life... life everywhere). My opinion is to try Noitra he is good tank if you build him right and if you dont like him you can always switch to Kumamura. Also you need him for hollow ichi if you plan to take him but hollow ichi is not that good i think
author: Shadow49999    time: 2016-3-13 23:07:56

faracorn replied at 2016-3-13 18:21
Sajin is one of the heavier tank in the game he is wall but nothing more  he cant help at all your ...

lol id go with sajin because when you get farther in the game some ones team will be heavily damaged if not gone after skill round
so id go with sajin
author: faracorn    time: 2016-3-14 04:13:59

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-3-13 23:07
lol id go with sajin because when you get farther in the game some ones team will be heavily damag ...

Sajin is good for start i think but the game has changes we see asaulters with block rate i think we ll alot of wird combos from now on
author: asunayuki    time: 2016-3-14 12:09:36

I think true shikai ichigo is better but not sure
author: costel4321    time: 2016-3-14 13:00:05

asunayuki replied at 2016-3-14 12:09
I think true shikai ichigo is better but not sure

u aren't the troll of this forums, where is #skygay ?
author: Shadow49999    time: 2016-3-14 13:41:20

asunayuki replied at 2016-3-14 12:09
I think true shikai ichigo is better but not sure

we are only talking about sajin and nnoirrta so please go the fuck out
please make sure to remember your free ass slap on the way out
author: asunayuki    time: 2016-3-14 14:38:23

costel4321 replied at 2016-3-14 20:00
u aren't the troll of this forums, where is #skygay ?

what is troll?
author: asunayuki    time: 2016-3-14 14:39:04

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-3-14 20:41
we are only talking about sajin and nnoirrta so please go the fuck out
please make sure to remembe ...

Sanji has nice kicks
author: Shadow49999    time: 2016-3-14 15:46:37

asunayuki replied at 2016-3-14 14:39
Sanji has nice kicks

indeed he does
author: ShadowMurcielago    time: 2017-8-19 16:14:43

Edited by ShadowMurcielago at 2017-8-20 15:20

I will get nnoitra and kenpachi in lv90 until lv 110 to h.ichigo., since i'm focused on PVE and Bag of hp means Toons of Hp, his talent increase 20% HP and raises stamina , if you're using 3A-1S he is perfect for survive , because since in high lvs instances , soul palace, hollow map the enemies skills attack Assaulter instead of vanguard. if you have enough red reishi like me, nnoitra strengh overcome sajin defense. Nnoitra - Attack enemy vanguard, growth rate is 170%, and increase own assaulter's Aid Rate by 85% (two rounds) and the #4 modify When being attacked, has 20% chance of stunning enemy for 1 round, nnoitra is better if you have sources for he like me, i'm a f2p too, and about mod frags, he can get 10 universal mod frag in workshop everyday , i am keeping 102 Almighty modify frags for now, i am at half of lv 88.
author: ShadowMurcielago    time: 2017-8-19 16:24:41

here is my hirako in lv 88 i will pass everything to nnoitra in lv 90, my total BP is 776402
author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-8-19 17:09:01

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:11
ShadowMurcielago replied at 2017-8-20 00:14
But Nnoitra uses Strategy ATK, so you have to get Wisdom Stones Too, i will get nnoitra and kenpachi ...

He doesn't use strategy ATK. Easy to check: just do a fight without wisdom stones and then same fight with it, you'll see no difference in damage at all.
Instances and soul palace take no efforts to pаss once you reach enough lvl to access it, surviving is irrelevant there.
Hollow map.. Yes, it does make sense =) Though in order to make it easier i'd recommend to look at tosen and unohana first.
Btw Hirako has some points too. His ability to deduct fury under hit is great. Especially against partners who otherwise get 100 fury every turn. I met some people with pretty strong Hirako in CSB (for example), there were some decent fight.
author: ShadowMurcielago    time: 2017-8-19 17:27:55

Edited by ShadowMurcielago at 2017-8-19 19:57

but his second modify says - increase strategy ATK by 8%, nnoitra uses physical ATK? Great , i will put my strenght stones to good use. i was already working in wisdom stones
author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-8-19 17:56:14

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:10
ShadowMurcielago replied at 2017-8-20 01:27
but his first modify says - increase strategy ATK by 8%, nnoitra uses physical ATK? Great , i will p ...

Starrk, H.Ichigo and Komamura have same modify tier and still they don't use strategy ATK neither ;)
It's just a first tier to adjust
author: ShadowMurcielago    time: 2017-8-19 18:02:28

asakura_yo replied at 2017-8-19 19:56
Starrk, H.Ichigo and Komamura have same modify tier and still they don't use strategy ATK neither ; ...

ohhhh So thats is the use of advanced modify fragment from tavern , now i see
author: ShadowMurcielago    time: 2017-8-19 18:03:34

Edited by ShadowMurcielago at 2017-8-19 20:04

And About modify P.S i'm lv 88 these frags are from soul cultivate / black market



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