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author: real_xyz time: 2017-4-24 11:38:51 Title: Nozarashi Kenpachi is still usefull?

Hello boys, i need help aha!

I would like to know if he still useful in pvp because now we have the new Ichigo Hollowed Tavern evolve 2.

Currently i have the Ichigo Hollowed Tavern (Red with ST 6.6 / AG 5.8 / WI 6.4 / HP 7.6)

So, do i take Nozarashi Kenpachi or i stay with Ichigo Hollowed? (And i wait to take Sexy Kukaku in the futur?)

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 11:50:42

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2017-4-24 12:16

the nasty truth about tavern upgrades...

the growth rates and base stats are crap...  it just plainly isn't what it says it is...

all day long, Noza crushes H Ichi, no questions, no comparisons...

H Ichi only wins in one area, and that is when it comes to Noza's fossilize...  if all you have left is Noza it is easy to get into a loop where Noza fossilizes enemy's vang, regens own fury, skills next round, deals no damage to fossilized vang but still regens own fury, enemy vang can't attack so never gets blocked, fight lasts 20 rounds, some places you loose period in this case, and in some cases it comes down to who has more HP...  Noza's exclusive skill breaks this issue tho as he only builds fury on assaulters and can can't build his own thus letting him continue to attack normally and deal damage on fossilized vang.

Noza wins on raw stats, on raw power, on block rate, on defensive abilities, in every category except that painful loop i mentioned...  I'm running Noza and wouldn't EVER change to H Ichigo...  not even a max level, max evo, level 100 SC, maxed in every way H Ichgo...  wouldn't make the swap
if you plan to get Sexy K in the future, you should probably pass on Noza, as you would probably use her over him, and he would be wasted resources at that point

author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 12:03:06

H Ichigo will never surpass Noza LOL.

author: Daitekusa time: 2017-4-24 12:18:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 11:50
the nasty truth about tavern upgrades...

the growth rates and base stats are crap... it just plain ...

you're noza have 170% bloc rate right ? how did you manage to get so much bloc ?

author: real_xyz time: 2017-4-24 12:21:47

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 11:50
the nasty truth about tavern upgrades...

the growth rates and base stats are crap... it just plain ...

Thanks bro, so i go take him

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 12:31:05

real_xyz replied at 2017-4-24 12:21
Thanks bro, so i go take him

just remember, if you get him, it's only half the story... You also will need Pan Grim, D Toshiro, Res Ulquorria, and Ultima Aizen for the max utility from him for his bonds... Res Ulquorria is the most important one as that is his block bond

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 12:32:11

Daitekusa replied at 2017-4-24 12:18
you're noza have 170% bloc rate right ? how did you manage to get so much bloc ?

178.3% now I think...

stones, equipment bonus, bond, mods, and evo... mods is where i get most of the bonus block

author: Daitekusa time: 2017-4-24 12:38:03

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 12:32
178.3% now I think...

stones, equipment bonus, bond, mods, and evo... mods is where i get most ...

But which bonus can break the 90% cap ? because i'm stuck with my ikkaku at 104% bloc rate even if i upgrade my stones

author: real_xyz time: 2017-4-24 12:55:09

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 12:31
just remember, if you get him, it's only half the story... You also will need Pan Grim, D Toshiro, ...

I have it np

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 13:16:42

Daitekusa replied at 2017-4-24 12:38
But which bonus can break the 90% cap ? because i'm stuck with my ikkaku at 104% bloc rate even if ...

you can only get 90% from stones+equipment bonus, period, no matter what...

your mods break the limit (I think the advanced mods all do, but I'm not 100% there truth be told) but if you already have a mod that says it breaks the limit, then i'm 100% sure that further mods will break it... also evo will break the cap and bond will too... but if you already have 90% from stones, don't put any more on as extra block from stones is wasted... personally I get 10% from equipment refine, 80% from stones... it's easier that way and I can get natural 90% from stones/equipment on all my assaulters and vanguard.

author: iwanix time: 2017-4-24 13:18:23

DRINK !
NOZARASHIIIII !!!!

author: Daitekusa time: 2017-4-24 13:21:06

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 13:16
you can only get 90% from stones+equipment bonus, period, no matter what...

your mods break the l ...

Oh okay i see thanks

author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 13:42:28

Dont listen to Noza fanbois, he is not bad but he is not worth it. You must be insane to waste 37-38k exclusive to just unlock his exclusive skill and even then your potential enemy can just put Unohana or Isane in his team and slowly demonlish stacked Noza. His main weakness is low defence.

Ichigo is not great and not bad either. Exclusive Noza is better, but as i stated before it is not worth all the pain. The best point i experienced with Ichigo is that he can make your team survive one extra attack in Void and is overall tanky in PVP if you build him properly.

Kukkaku is just on another level when it comes to PVP, especially with current WIS meta.

Any Kukkaku>>>exclusive Noza>R2 exclusive Ichigo>R2 Ichigo=Noza>Base Ichigo.

author: djamaec time: 2017-4-24 14:37:00

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 14:41:00

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2017-4-24 15:12

I find Noza has decent defense. Then again I have put a fair bit of work I to mine. However I will admit. To become a truly amazing vang he does need a lot of work. A lot into his block, attack, and both physical and kido def... Mine is just starting to come together but the better he gets, the more work I find he needs. My block is close to 180% (which is his bread and butter) his def are both around 300k, and his attack is around 400k. I run him with hyorin which really really helps and truthfully, once he gets his exclusive skill (current level 47) I think he will be unstoppable

Plus with a. $200 price difference I hope to hell she blows him out of the water, which she doesn't in my opinion

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-4-24 15:45:15

He's still useful

No need for any huge explanation for it

Shin Shura Kenpachi is great
Red Tavern Hollow Ichigo is better than Shin Shura Kenpachi
Nozarashi is better than Red Tavern Hollow Ichigo

There isn't too much you can do with Hollowfied Ichigo in PVP, just make him sit there with is defensive abilities, as that's what he's made for, whilst Noza can become both offensive and defensive with his high amount of block rate and high attack skill, so yeah, he's still useful, and for this thread, he's more useful than Ichigo ^^

author: trojandrew time: 2017-4-24 16:00:41

[email protected] replied at 2017-4-24 13:42
Dont listen to Noza fanbois, he is not bad but he is not worth it. You must be insane to waste 37-38 ...

Dont listen to this guy also since the only thing he got right is that kukkaku is better. (even then not always)

You dont need exclusive on noza for him to be good, and tbh all the tavern upgrades are only for f2p players that cant get good vip partners.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 16:20:10

djamaec replied at 2017-4-24 14:37

good looking Noza, you got his exclusive skill yet? also, he looks like he could use some more block... 152% is getting there, but with a Noza that intense, I'd have assumed you would have pumped it up higher than that

author: real_xyz time: 2017-4-24 16:46:19

djamaec replied at 2017-4-24 14:37

wow not bad

author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 17:10:16

trojandrew replied at 2017-4-24 16:00
Dont listen to this guy also since the only thing he got right is that kukkaku is better. (even th ...

prove me wrong or gtfo. i wana see how your noza handle a stacked assulter who will give a fook about block damage or an healer team.

author: iz4n4minok4mi time: 2017-4-24 17:12:10

Edited by iz4n4minok4mi at 2017-4-24 17:13

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 11:50
the nasty truth about tavern upgrades...

the growth rates and base stats are crap... it just plain ...

Well the base stats arent that different between upgraded ichigo and nozarashi. He doesnt really have high base stats.
But I agree that between these two, noza is better if you put fair amount of work in him. He can be used for pve with his dmg and with some work he can be pretty defensive too + he is deadly with that block if you have high enough power + he increases it on his own.
I am personally gonna switch him soon for ichibe mostly because that fossilize is more trouble than it is worth in my case and as I am not really stacking him really hard (no best stones/hogu/eq or exclusive fragments) and he serves mostly as an annoying wall with hyorin/zangetsu (depending on situation) while rest of my team does most of the work.
If you are gonna put the best stuff + exclusives on vanguard then noza is the way to go especially with hyorin. If not then any other red vanguard is better in pvp except h. ichigo

author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 17:31:21

Instead of tousands of words, here.. http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/f ... t=1&lang=en_US. As i said before, Noza lacks defence to be a top-tier VG. And this was second strongest Noza i've ever meet, even Starrk is far more dangerous cuz of AoE.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-4-24 17:36:46

[email protected] replied at 2017-4-24 17:10
prove me wrong or gtfo. i wana see how your noza handle a stacked assulter who will give a fook ab ...

This is how

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=20269721689423130&aid=54&t=1&lang=en_US
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author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 18:08:58

trojandrew replied at 2017-4-24 17:36
This is how

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=20269721689423130&aid=54&t=1&lang=en_U ...

Are you kidding me? Psy def is alright to not get one-shoted, but with that Wis def you gona end-up slaid by first stacked Hiki.

Look at report i posted above. That's how 8m hp & 400k+ def Noza fare against a non-stacked Renji. A real stacked assulter like Kai's CSB Byakua will end it in 2-3 turn.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-4-24 18:47:44

[email protected] replied at 2017-4-24 18:08
Are you kidding me? Psy def is alright to not get one-shoted, but with that Wis def you gona end-u ...

thats a 2.5M stacked hiki that first hits me, so ya im good, and he lost b/c he cant take out backline, i can. thats my noza solo not even my full team, so ya, either show me how good you are or shutup b/c you sound like a nub whos just blowing smoke

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 19:28:56

[email protected] replied at 2017-4-24 17:31
Instead of tousands of words, here.. http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/fightreport/?rid=596174056683866 ...

as for lacking def...

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I just fail to see that "lack of defense" you are talking about... true someone like Kukaku will be higher... but the fact that Noza is basicly free, and she is basicly $200+ and she is supposed to be the biggest defensive chunk in the game, I fail to see why you would ever compare the two as for defense goes... that's like saying that B Renji hits harder than Ikkaku does... besides, he isn't designed to just tank till the end of time, He is only supposed to tank till he blocks you to death

author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 19:53:30

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-4-24 20:11

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 19:28
as for lacking def...

I never said that he is a complete waste. Im not against Noza as a random VG, im against idea to waste ~35k fragments on him when they can give way more profit to other characters. Stacked Noza is quite one-sided build, you sacriface a loot of potential for a VG that cannot handle good amount of other stacked characters. Sure, he is nightmare for any phrone characters with his block. But any stacked nuker will do the job just as good.

I mentioned Kukkaku cuz TS wrote that he might get her in future.
Ps: by lack of def i mean stars modify/talent.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-4-24 20:09:28

[email protected] replied at 2017-4-24 19:53
I never said that he is a complete waste. Im not against Noza as a random VG, im against idea to w ...

tbh i dont see the use in frags for him either, i have my noza at lvl 40 and i doubt ima raise it higher, gonna save those up for muken aizen

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-4-24 20:10:08

yeh go with noza he is a beast when built right here is my noza on the left 1.7m and a proper built noza with hyron from a server freind over 2mil bp
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author: [email protected] time: 2017-4-24 20:16:53

trojandrew replied at 2017-4-24 20:09
tbh i dont see the use in frags for him either, i have my noza at lvl 40 and i doubt ima raise it ...

Meh, then stop with that fanboism. I just said that he is not worth stacking cuz you be left with noza + 4 sissies that die from first slightest fart.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-4-24 20:18:23

[email protected] replied at 2017-4-24 20:16
Meh, then stop with that fanboism. I just said that he is not worth stacking cuz you be left with ...

no, my noza jsut hits hard, and i can backline anyteam easy, dont need noza for that one, trust me. i just dont like the exlusive skill on him

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-24 20:57:36

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-4-24 20:10
yeh go with noza he is a beast when built right here is my noza on the left 1.7m and a proper built ...

both of you should be sad... that kido defense is kind of weak... with all that power and physical def on them, I'm shocked you didn't pump that kido def... I found it quite easy to stack up mine almost even with the physical def... maybe I"m just wierd

author: trojandrew time: 2017-4-24 21:15:04

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-24 20:57
both of you should be sad... that kido defense is kind of weak... with all that power and physic ...

red kido def hogu are expensive, gotta save up for that lol. also per strategy, kill their backline b4 they can attack lol

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-4-25 00:02:21

Edited by LadyKyojin at 2017-4-25 05:14

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-4-25 01:57
both of you should be sad... that kido defense is kind of weak... with all that power and physic ...

the reason i dont stack kido, its becasue kido users in my csb barley scratches my noza highest kido damage even from r yorichi senju haswalts barly makes my noza sweat but with senbon i would do kido but i dont use senbon, plus i have rj so that 150% defense ;) but im changing from noza soon ;) also i find ywach more dangerouse then kido users. plus i have 20% kido damge decrease talent so infact that compensate lack of kido defence so there alot of back ground work that make kido attack useless to my noza.
but if theres ever a titan of kido user i can always swap gears and accs around so its not a problem but with my current set up i am garantee to beat every 1 up until i hit no1 guy even then i beat him somtimes lol

you not wierd you just building according to your rivals for me im already top 5 and beat no1 in csb sometimes but i garantee to get 2nd place my noza could even beat kukaku with rj but i dont have heal on my noza so it dies hence changing to a vg with heal.

author: real_xyz time: 2017-4-25 08:26:16

I need Hyōrinmaru for Noza or it's not required?
Tensa can be good with Noza?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-4-25 08:49:11

real_xyz replied at 2017-4-25 08:26
I need Hyōrinmaru for Noza or it's not required?
Tensa can be good with Noza?

Hyorin is not required, Tensa is good, Hyorin is better if you want a hardcore stacked Noza... Tensa will help the rest of your team a LOT more tho

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