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author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 16:39:25 Title: Can I dump B.Renji?

Hey there, my team is actually S.Kukaku, Koga, B. Renji and Raijin Yoruichi. I'm lvl106 and my Zanpakuto is Tensa 28-20-20. Current BP is 2.4M.

I'm already capped in ES damage, dealing 14-15% to my ES, and 24-25% to the 2 others. I dont know until where I can OS ryokas yet, since we're only 2-3 who can on my server.

Since I'm a lazy bitch, I dont bother swapping my vanguard out for PvE, and anyway it'd be pretty hard to manage both a 1-3-1 and a 2-3-0 at the same time. But I was actually wondering about something : My B.Renji is my weakest character, actually only there to give crit damage to Koga and Raijin. He doesnt have his death mod yet.

So I'd like to know your ideas as to who I could swap B. Renji for? I'd prefer being 1-3-1, as my main is Kido, but I wouldnt really mind swapping to a 1-2-2.

author: Prince-Vegeta time: 2017-5-7 16:54:30

you killed your server didnt you lols

author: elenixantom time: 2017-5-7 16:56:26

B.Renji is far better than Koga and Raijin in terms of PvE. He is also quite good in PvP, especially with his death mod. Im also lazy about swapping my VG

I would probably keep B.Renji all the time

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 17:33:08

Prince-Vegeta replied at 2017-5-7 16:54
you killed your server didnt you lols

................Yeah. #2 has potential, but I'm still about 3 times stronger than him.

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 17:37:46

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-7 17:43

elenixantom replied at 2017-5-7 16:56
B.Renji is far better than Koga and Raijin in terms of PvE. He is also quite good in PvP, especially ...

Thing is, my team is about dodge/control. I can even dodge Ryoka's skills. I got B.Renji last to fill the hole and ES, but I'm dealing too much damage, the event lasts 13min, and its all me. Might as well perfect my team's goal with some control I currently miss, like fury reduct for example. I'd still do enough damage in PvE to max xp/silver gain.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-7 18:14:50

Hikifune is a great choice both PVP/PVE wise, giving you both invincibility and 50% Attack boost respectively. Yes she may be old, but her uses are still huge and relevant. Isane Kotetsu also gives 50% attack to the allied team, whilst doing this every round unlike Hikifune. She is a much more raw defensive route than Hikifune, so it's up to you on which partner is more relevant to your team ^^
Both of these partners will make you go 1-2-2

For a 1-3-1 formation, disregarding financial aspects, Bankai Yamamoto is a great option, as he can fend for himself and doesn't need as much work as B.Renji does for him to be useful for you. He's great in both PVE and PVP due to his raw damage output. Alot of other assaulters simply aren't better or require alot of work to be put into them in order for them to work, e.g. Yhwach.
Muken Aizen is of course open for you to obtain through Inferno Stones, who can also fend for himself and will be a great asset to your team.

Final recommendation is Haschwalth, who is purely a defensive character for your team, so he is only recommended if you have PVP competition and need this extra defence for your whole team with his healing, shields and defence boosts ^^

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 18:28:07

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-7 18:32

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-7 18:14
Hikifune is a great choice both PVP/PVE wise, giving you both invincibility and 50% Attack boost res ...

Well Muken Aizen is pretty much the reason why I'd actually prefer to stay 1-3-1. I'm still reaaaaally far to get him (only 2k right now) but I'll prob get him once I can. My whole team was pretty expensive, so let's forget B. Yama as of now. Renting Yhwach could definitely be an option tho, giving exactly what I want : good damage, reduce opponent's fury and damage.

Hasch would be cool, but I dont feel like I need him, as my main threats are RJ users, and shield wont save me from da burn. I considered Isane but Idk... Is she really worth? Her mods seem a bit weird, with all those ''when attacked'' as a support. I'm pretty tired of Hiki, I used to play her as my main force on indo servers, I want new stuff.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-7 18:44:25

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 23:28
Well Muken Aizen is pretty much the reason why I'd actually prefer to stay 1-3-1. I'm still reaaaaa ...

Right, well if you can be patient with it, you could keep with your formation the exact same until Muken Aizen enters your formation, meaning you don't have to spend until then on a temporary partner ^^

Though Yhwach would be a good choice, he still requires alot of heavy work for him to be useful in either PVE or PVP, so it's best to stay away from him unless you are going to focus him quite heavily ^^

Hasch actually does well against Ryujin Jakka, the healing every round is what makes him great for such battles, though that would be it to be completely honest, but this is lacking in most partners so Hasch is quite unique here

Isane also does exceptionally well against Ryujin Jakka users, reducing the enemy defences with her mod, i(n)sane healing to counter any burns damage over time effects you may face, and ofc the attack boost she provides ^^
All those "When being attacked..." mods can be activated from the enemy zanpakuto damaging Isane, so this can be very useful for when opponents are faster than you ^^ All her mods add to her being an extremely defensive partner, alongside the mass healing she provides, she can be a great asset for your team

so in terms of such fights, yes, she is worth!

Fair enough on Hiki, she's everywhere and made for every formation lol. But yes all options other than Hikifune seem open for you, all you have to do is decide which one you can work with, and see which is more important. Isane is possibly one of the best picks here if you face such difficult opponents ^^

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 19:14:08

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-7 18:44
Right, well if you can be patient with it, you could keep with your formation the exact same until ...

Oooh I didnt know zanpakutos damage triggered the ''when attacked'' mods. Interesting...

I really want to stay around my control base tho, and I wouldnt mind focusing on Yhwach. I could rent him, get his mods up alongside some evos before getting him perm. Main reason why I hesitate so much about Hasch or Isane, is that I'm already heavily ''defensive'' with Koga and Raijin's dodge capacities, add to that S.Kukaku giving everybody good kido def. And I dont have a lot of wisdom stones, they're all on Raijin and Kukaku. And I love having wisdom stones on Kukaku. Main doesnt have her stones anymore.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. I think that settles it. I'm more tempted by Yhwach, he has damage I want and control I need. It's gonna be a lot easier to rent him too, and I wont struggle to give him stones. Plus one bonus point for the manly beard.

author: Prince-Vegeta time: 2017-5-7 19:21:21

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 17:33
................Yeah. #2 has potential, but I'm still about 3 times stronger than him.

i got around 15 people on mine i know how to keep a server alive lols

author: Prince-Vegeta time: 2017-5-7 19:23:39

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 17:37
Thing is, my team is about dodge/control. I can even dodge Ryoka's skills. I got B.Renji last to fi ...

that dodge wont last long not when partners hit rate can go higher then didge

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 19:30:26

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-7 19:32

You currently need 290% hit rate to be sure to hit my Kukaku and Koga. 270 for Raijin right now. Main has no shit, and B.Renji has the block stones right now instead. I didnt change mods yet, tho I probably wont. Most people have between 200-250 hit rate. You'd need to stack a lot to make sure I wont dodge. Anyway, that's why I also focus on control and Kukaku, so I'm not useless even if I dont dodge.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 19:30:44

I dunno why I'm gonna try to help you, as you are in my CSB and it's a RNG battle with you making it 50/50, but eh I'll still help.

If you want to stick with 1-3-1, I would use Shini-Ken so your Koga can skill earlier, as the reason I win against you is your Koga is too late to skill. With Shini-Ken, you would skill earlier and much more often, leading you to chaos possibly the whole team with your Raijin, and Koga skilling twice. Of course, you can choose Isshin as the cheaper alternative, but he's a little outdated. Shini-Ken is much weaker compared to other Assualters, but after seeing your team, a Shini-Ken would make you much harder to kill with Koga skilling twice a round. Honestly your Koga 1-shots everyone, so skilling twice would seal the deal.

However, if you want to go 1-2-2, I would pick either Isane or Hiki. Thing is, you would have to pour all your agility/T1 into your Hiki, which would take away from your Raijin, so I wouldn't suggest this. Seeing as your B.Renji is weaker than your main seemingly, a partner with no investment and only being used for her skill/mods, Isane is your pick. You don't need to stack her, only the minimum and she will help you against your RJ enemies. But Isane won't help with your PvE aspect much.

TL;DR Shini-Ken to help you skill twice a turn, which helps in chaosing the whole enemy team, as well as combo-ing in PvE can double your damage. Hiki requires too much investment and will only take away from your Raijin. Isane is basically your RJ counter. My personal opinion is to grab Shini-Ken

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 19:39:07

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 19:30
I dunno why I'm gonna try to help you, as you are in my CSB and it's a RNG battle with you making it ...

I'm currently using S. Kensei for Koga's bond :/

That isn't a bad idea, as combo would indeed be nice with my Koga, but since S.Kensei is used elsewhere, and Isshin is indeed outdated.

I also need my agi focused on Raijin indeed. Anyway, another reason why I dont want Hiki is that I feel like its only half as effective since I dodge most of the time anyway.

Still currently thinking about the Almighty beard.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 19:42:18

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 18:39
I'm currently using S. Kensei for Koga's bond :/

That isn't a bad idea, as combo would indeed be ...

Wow didn't think about that. I have a bunch of lv.11 Hit stones, and even then I miss you partners a lot, so a Hiki would indeed be absolutely useless for your formation. I have 250% on mostly everyonne, if not 200% so yeah don't go for Hiki. I guess you could try for Isshin, as outdated as he is. So just rent him, and see if he is of any use. I can't think of anyone else that you could use. Though if you have enough gold to spend on a partner, perhaps use it to invest a little more on Brenji or t1 your Raijin/Koga

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 19:47:31

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 19:42
Wow didn't think about that. I have a bunch of lv.11 Hit stones, and even then I miss you partners ...

I'm currently 3/4 of the way done to get a pure T1. Will probably be Raijin first.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 19:51:30

Hmm I would T1 Koga in your position. Koga 1 shots 99% of team's you've faced. Also, your Raijin is fast AF, so she will always be the first to skill anyways. Even if you chaos 3 ppl, they will still skill next turn so may as well kill them with Koga first turn. He will still chaos 1 person anyways

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 19:52:50

Irrelevant question, but do youin sending a pic of Tensa''s PvP bonuses for which partners

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 19:55:07

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 19:51
Hmm I would T1 Koga in your position. Koga 1 shots 99% of team's you've faced. Also, your Raijin is ...

I was thinking about Raijin cause I'd love to chaos OMGlolHaHaHa's B.Yama on first turn before he hits :p

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-5-7 19:55:57

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 18:28
Well Muken Aizen is pretty much the reason why I'd actually prefer to stay 1-3-1. I'm still reaaaaa ...

you seem strong enough to get M Aizen quickly.... I'd stack B Renji and be ready to inheret him down for M Aizen

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 20:03:48

Maaaan fuq OmhLol. I get so close to beating him everytime, but I need Tensa to do that extra 20% I can't deal with my Ashisogi. The 40% VG reduce kill me

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 20:37:07

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 20:03
Maaaan fuq OmhLol. I get so close to beating him everytime, but I need Tensa to do that extra 20% I ...

My Koga one shots his B. Yama with his skill, but i really need to dodge his T1. Koga barely survives otherwise, but then RJ would finish him off. He doesnt leave much of a scratch to my Kukaku tho. Would love if she could hit a little bit harder, or heal herself enough to keep up with the burn. That's all I need to beat him.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 20:40:26

Yea I can see why you need someone to counter RJ. His RJ's pretty much the reason why I die so quickly too. If I could last another round I'd beat him EZ PZ. Also, your S.Kuk has 1.5 mil HP, but do you have Str/Wis on her? Her skill seemed to hit way less than I've seen other people who have with less HP than you.

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 20:48:02

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-7 20:49

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 20:40
Yea I can see why you need someone to counter RJ. His RJ's pretty much the reason why I die so quick ...

She does, but she needs moar. Both her Str and Wis stones are lvl 8-9, her Stam stones are 10-9. I'm trying to save hogu enhances for her str hogu right now (She has a T12 +4, Koga has a T12 +9)

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 21:19:35

How much Vit do you have currently? Mayhaps the perfect partner for you comes in UBP, and if not, spend a ton of vit in SA to pump your Kukaku and brenji

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 21:22:37

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 21:19
How much Vit do you have currently? Mayhaps the perfect partner for you comes in UBP, and if not, sp ...

I dumped all I had in last SA (about 3k) and now I'm working on my evos :/

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 21:33:41

Do you have any exclusives on your partners? I know Koga gives your AS 45% dodge rate, but he loses his attack all enemies and instead attacks 1 person with the highest attack, so your dodge rate game would be better I guess.

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 21:38:57

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-10 01:37

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 21:33
Do you have any exclusives on your partners? I know Koga gives your AS 45% dodge rate, but he loses ...

Raijin's exclusive skill attack all 80/90/100%, increases assaulters attack by 5/10/20% and dodge by 25/50/100%, and gives all allies 35(52) fury. That's what I wanna reach. But right now Koga is higher (27) cause I got Raijin later. I couldnt bother inheriting him, but she'll catch up soon enough

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-7 21:43:54

Hmm...it takes quite a long time to get to Lv.70 Exclusive Skill. Sometimes the best course is to exclusive skill a tavern partner to mimic a paid partner. Such as Kyoraku being a Mini-hiki and so on. Much easier to do bonds too

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-7 22:03:13

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-5-7 21:43
Hmm...it takes quite a long time to get to Lv.70 Exclusive Skill. Sometimes the best course is to ex ...

I'd definitely play exclusive Tavern Shunsui if I was f2p. But I'm not :p No, I'm really thinking about renting Yhwach. But I'd like to see his exclusive skill, it's a bit weird on text.

author: ichmkami time: 2017-5-7 23:05:36

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 17:37
Thing is, my team is about dodge/control. I can even dodge Ryoka's skills. I got B.Renji last to fi ...

How much dodge is need to dodge ryoka skill ?

author: [email protected] time: 2017-5-8 01:16:08

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-7 19:39
I'm currently using S. Kensei for Koga's bond :/

That isn't a bad idea, as combo would indeed be ...

bonds area activated if the character is in formation as well

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-8 01:31:25

[email protected] replied at 2017-5-8 01:16
bonds area activated if the character is in formation as well

I dont know your trick, but I cant get him to join my formation until I take off the bond.

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-8 04:33:08

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-8 04:36

Hey peeps, what about Shunko? She seems more than good enough to be a side partner for my formation, still great enough for PvE too, and she gets even better with exclusive skill. Got me wondering. Renting Yhwach, or saving for Shunko. I really like this give 75 fury to all.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-8 10:01:23

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-8 00:14
Oooh I didnt know zanpakutos damage triggered the ''when attacked'' mods. Interesting...

I really ...

Ah right well if you have the plan to fully buy Yhwach, then go ahead! I was just wondering if you was to only have him on rent until a better partner comes in which would be quite the waste, but this is absolutely fine if it's to fully buy him in the end, go with the plan! ^^

Everything else seems fine then defensive wise, you seem to be in a good position where you do not need to focus it at entirely, so go ahead for Yhwach if that's what you prefer ^^

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-10 00:42:00

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-10 01:00

Update : I did rent Yhwach. Didnt really try him yet, since we couldnt CSB yet, but so far it seems really promising.

He got my Koga's stuff and has about 20k more BP with only his first mod (Koga is close to his fourth) and lvl15 exclusive (splitted koga's lvl27 so they're both 15 and could put rest on Raijin).

Koga has became my weakest in term of BP, but he has over 100k more than B.Renji had. Btw, I forgot that Raijin gives 35% attack and damage to Yhwach by her 3rd mod so there you go, I'm sold.

Oh, and Koga still has dodge, so dont think you'll have it easy now he's not my strongest attacker anymore.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-5-10 01:14:18

Welp that is now 1 less person I can beat in our CSB now...

(( Well you will prob be same row as OmgLolHaha for me so won't matter much anyways.

author: Malshun time: 2017-5-10 01:17:27

Prince-Vegeta replied at 2017-5-7 16:21
i got around 15 people on mine i know how to keep a server alive lols

Yeah, if everyone sucks then all the lame asses are happy

author: [email protected] time: 2017-5-10 23:43:46

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-8 01:31
I dont know your trick, but I cant get him to join my formation until I take off the bond.

yea i know, but if u take him off the bond and put him in formation, koga will still get the bond bonus

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